Are Biden's issuance of presidential pardons going too far?

[martybegan]

Tell me where the constitution says he had to announce anything.

He can pardon people just by thinking it.

The public has to know about government actions, unless classified.

There is probably a law on the books detailing how pardons are to be announced and processed.

The constitution gives the ability, but there still has to be a law on the books to allow for the ability to be executed.

 

[Moonglow]

The Nixon Pardon was never challenged I believe, because everyone just wanted the issue to go away once Nixon resigned.

That isn't the case here, look for Congress or Trump to challenge the notion of pre-emptive pardons.

Trump did it also, but you are ok with him doing it, hypocrite much?

 

[Moonglow]

who?

The guy with a Nixon tattoo.

 

[Polishprince]

Now he pardoned Fauci and Milley. Pardoned from what? When have these people ever been convicted and sentenced for any crimes?

Biden pardons Fauci and Milley in an effort to guard against potential ‘revenge’ by Trump​

If you read Sleepy Joe's proclamation when he shit in the face of the American people by pardoning Hunter Biden, you would know why he is doing this.

The DOJ is totally corrupt, and people just can't get a fair deal nowadays.

Its really hard to disagree with his on this.

The advantage to all of this is that Milley, Fauci, and the rest will all have to come to Washington to testify and they won't be able to "take the fifth" as their pardons insure they cannot be prosecuted for the crimes they will be testifying to.


Will Biden pardon Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld for the crimes against humanity, so they don't have to worry about being extradited to the Hague?

 

[Hollie]

Now he pardoned Fauci and Milley. Pardoned from what? When have these people ever been convicted and sentenced for any crimes?

Biden pardons Fauci and Milley in an effort to guard against potential ‘revenge’ by Trump​

"WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden has pardoned Dr. Anthony Fauci, retired Gen. Mark Milley and members of the House committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, using the extraordinary powers of his office in his final hours to guard against potential “revenge” by the incoming Trump administration.

The decision by Biden comes after Donald Trump warned of an enemies list filled with those who have crossed him politically or sought to hold him accountable for his attempt to overturn his 2020 election loss and his role in the storming of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Trump has selected Cabinet nominees who backed his election lies and who have pledged to punish those involved in efforts to investigate him.

“The issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgment that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt for any offense,” Biden said in a statement. “Our nation owes these public servants a debt of gratitude for their tireless commitment to our country.”

It’s customary for a president to grant clemency at the end of his term, but those acts of mercy are usually offered to everyday Americans who have been convicted of crimes. But Biden has used the power in the broadest and most untested way possible: to pardon those who have not even been investigated yet. And with the acceptance comes a tacit admission of guilt or wrongdoing, even though those who have been pardoned have not been formally accused of any crimes."

https://wgno.com/news/health/ap-bid...-to-guard-against-potential-revenge-by-trump/

Theses are pre-emptive pardons by Biden with a presumption of guilt.

 

[martybegan]

Trump did it also, but you are ok with him doing it, hypocrite much?

Which of his pardons were pre-emptive?

 

[Modern Messiah]

Guilty of what?

Obstruction of justice and knowingly lying to the American People.
Again, and I'm getting sick of explaining this to you.
You pardon people who are guilty.
cornpop would not have pardoned them if they were not guilty.
If they didn't do anything wrong they should have nothing to worry about.
Now, by tater head pre-emptivly pardoning them, confirming they are guilty on some level, he stupidly warranted investigations into these people.
Hell, at this point, now that they are pardoned they could be guilty of anything under the sun.
Very Stupid Move.

 

[Moonglow]

Trump calls for Roger Stone's conviction to be thrown out​

The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › us-news › feb › roger-st...




Feb 18, 2020 — President condemns 'fraudulent investigation' and falsely claims that he is the country's chief law enforcement officer.

 

[Marener]

The public has to know about government actions, unless classified.

There is probably a law on the books detailing how pardons are to be announced and processed.

The constitution gives the ability, but there still has to be a law on the books to allow for the ability to be executed.

So you’re just guessing? You’re clueless. Tell me how the law can constrain the presidents constitutional authority to issue pardons just by thinking about it.

And no, apparently the public DOESNT have to know about government actions.

 

[Marener]

Obstruction of justice and knowingly lying to the American People.
Again, and I'm getting sick of explaining this to you.
You pardon people who are guilty.
cornpop would not have pardoned them if they were not guilty.
If they didn't do anything wrong they should have nothing to worry about.
Now, by tater head pre-emptivly pardoning them, confirming they are guilty on some level, he stupidly warranted investigations into these people.
Hell, at this point, now that they are pardoned they could be guilty of anything under the sun.
Very Stupid Move.

Given there’s been no investigation, didn’t just make some crimes up?

Why not just claim he committed murder or vehicular manslaughter or tax evasion or any crime you want?

 

[martybegan]

Trump calls for Roger Stone's conviction to be thrown out​

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The Guardian
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Feb 18, 2020 — President condemns 'fraudulent investigation' and falsely claims that he is the country's chief law enforcement officer.

When did the pardon take place? When did the commutation take place?

 

[martybegan]

So you’re just guessing? You’re clueless. Tell me how the law can constrain the presidents constitutional authority to issue pardons just by thinking about it.

And no, apparently the public DOESNT have to know about government actions.

I am asking.

You assume things as long as they fit your idiotic narrative.

 

[Modern Messiah]

Trump has a track record. It’s not paranoid when he’s demonstrate his proclivity for politicizing the justice department.

Everyone witnessed the illegal lawfare perpetrated against President Trump.
That is one of the main reasons he won the election so definitively.
Do you still not comprehend that.
You are literally 180° out of phase with the truth.

 

[rightwinger]

In your fits of delusion you seem to think you can read people's minds.
You can't, and your argument does not hold water.
Cornpop's cronies are now officially considered to be criminals.
Your trying to put the cart before the horse.

Actually the convicted felon is officially considered a criminal

Trump avoided prosecution by getting elected President
Trumps enemies avoided prosecution through Presidential pardon

 

[Moonglow]

Which of his pardons were pre-emptive?

Steve Bannon was a key strategist and adviser to President Trump during his 2016 campaign. He was charged in August last year with fraud over a fundraising campaign to build a wall on the US-Mexico border to stem illegal immigration, a key plank of Mr Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.
Prosecutors said Mr Bannon and three others defrauded hundreds of thousands of donors in connection with the "We Build the Wall" campaign, which pledged to use donations to build segments of the barrier and raised $25m (£18m). It was alleged Mr Bannon received more than $1m, at least some of which he used to cover personal expenses. He denied the claims.
As he was yet to stand trial his pardon is unusual, though certainly not unprecedented.
The White House statement said Mr Bannon had been "an important leader in the conservative movement and is known for his political acumen". It said prosecutors had "pursued" him with charges "related to fraud stemming from his involvement in a political project".

Trump pardons dozens in final hours, including ex-aide Steve Bannon

Donald Trump issues pardons and commutations for more than 140 people in his final hours as president.

www.bbc.com

 

[Marener]

I am asking.

You assume things as long as they fit your idiotic narrative.

I’m assuming nothing and you asked nothing. You’re pretending there’s laws to justify your opinion.

Either find the law or admit that there’s no requirement to announce pardons.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I don't get Fauci, what crime did he commit? What if Trump orders an investigation in the interest of the public?

 

[Marener]

Everyone witnessed the illegal lawfare perpetrated against President Trump.
That is one of the main reasons he won the election so definitively.
Do you still not comprehend that.
You are literally 180° out of phase with the truth.

No it’s not. The only ones that considered it “illegal lawfare” are delusional MAGAs that were going to vote for him no matter what.

 

[martybegan]

Steve Bannon was a key strategist and adviser to President Trump during his 2016 campaign. He was charged in August last year with fraud over a fundraising campaign to build a wall on the US-Mexico border to stem illegal immigration, a key plank of Mr Trump's 2016 presidential campaign.
Prosecutors said Mr Bannon and three others defrauded hundreds of thousands of donors in connection with the "We Build the Wall" campaign, which pledged to use donations to build segments of the barrier and raised $25m (£18m). It was alleged Mr Bannon received more than $1m, at least some of which he used to cover personal expenses. He denied the claims.
As he was yet to stand trial his pardon is unusual, though certainly not unprecedented.
The White House statement said Mr Bannon had been "an important leader in the conservative movement and is known for his political acumen". It said prosecutors had "pursued" him with charges "related to fraud stemming from his involvement in a political project".

Trump pardons dozens in final hours, including ex-aide Steve Bannon

Donald Trump issues pardons and commutations for more than 140 people in his final hours as president.

www.bbc.com

He was charged and indicted. The process had started.

Still not the same thing as these pardons.

 

[martybegan]

I’m assuming nothing and you asked nothing. You’re pretending there’s laws to justify your opinion.

Either find the law or admit that there’s no requirement to announce pardons.

There is nothing saying they don't have to announce them either.

Show me past instances of pardons not announced in the modern era, ones not related to national security.