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Zone1 Are Atheists Happier Than Christians?
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Walls of text, really long paragraphs, aren't read. Paragraphs shouldn't go deeper than six, at the very most, seven lines. Ideally five or six lines. I'm not reading all of that.
Solution #1:
If human beings have never existed before this lifetime and this isn't hell, then there is no moral justification for a good, loving, fair/just God to be so strict and narrow with humanity's means of salvation. The reason salvation is only through Jesus Christ is due to the fact that we are fallen angels, in hell. We were thrown into a "black hole":
We're evil, hence destruction is our fate (the second death), unless we're in Christ. We are fallen ones.
Solution #2:
God is the alpha and omega, the beginning and end of the spacetime continuum. Time is really an illusion, since the two singularity points, the alpha and omega, are timeless and infinite (encompassing the temporal limits of space and time). Light transcends space-time, hence God (who is described and experienced as light) and His angels don't exist within the boundaries of a past-present and future as we do (God pulls history/his story to Himself from the Omega Point Singularity).
St Paul said that the natural precedes the spiritual, and even though God is omnipotent, He can't violate His own reality and essence. Even God needs to create and have a creation to be a creator. Even God must do certain things to achieve his objectives and experience a particular outcome. There is a process for God to experience a certain state of being, and that process begins with the natural world.
There are other "solutions", but just saying that God throws everyone in hell who isn't a Christian is an affront to God's character. People don't go to hell or perish for not converting to a particular religion or set of religious beliefs. There are many creeds, cultures..etc, so to pretend that God damns people for not confessing a certain creed is inconsistent with God's loving, just character, not to speak of His omnipotence (absolute creativity and wisdom).
If it's true that we have to be Christians to be saved, it's because we're evil and in hell right now. We deserve to be here and to perish, hence the strict, narrow means of salvation, exclusively through Jesus Christ. There is no "eternal torment" in hell, hell is temporal until the soul dies. Those who live in Christ, overcome hell and death. They are born above or born again, to a new life in a higher dimension, with Jesus Christ. He creates the "mansions" or realms where the human soul exists in the presence of God.
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Your religion seems to be the religion of subordinating Christianity.
Everything happens for a reason.
Everything? That is a dodge since we don't always know the reason and just chalk it up to God and assume He has a reason.
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It may be a more of knowing that whatever it is that takes place, something good can be drawn from it.
Comforting. I'm not sure what it is based on but comforting nonetheless.
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The idea came from Bible verses (both Old and New Testament) that God causes what is bad to work for good. I can look back and see the this happening in my own life. It taught me to take something not-so-good and make it better. I am betting you have done the same thing in your own life.
You're right, we all learn to take something not-so-good and make it better but 'better' is not the same as 'good'.
The only way to convince the atheist, or materialist that perhaps there is something real to all of this Christian stuff, is through signs and wonders. Miracles. You Christians here should pay attention. Signs and wonders, the paranormal, supernatural, miracles, whatever you choose to call it, that's what the modern world needs to believe, not a sermon or a bunch of "proof-texts".
Mothers speak with their deceased children (the voices of their children came through) on national TV:
Mãe contata filha falecida por aparelho? Por Hans Otto König
Contato com o espÃrito do garoto Frank, por Hans Otto König
Shannon - Mortis (Dark - Occultist/Necromancer):
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Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.www.youtube.com
Visit his channel and watch all of his videos. He connects with the demonic.
Since the disciples of Jesus are impotent today, quoting texts like a bunch of mindless drones, you may have to turn to ITC (intramental trans-communication) or the dark occult to establish contact with the spirits (or visit a good Pentecostal church with actual disciples of Jesus). I tried all of the above and established contact. I also had some poltergeist activity as a result of the ITC research. The only reason I believe in God and Jesus Christ, is due to direct experience with the supernatural. My experience with real disciples of Jesus who perform miracles, and my ITC research. Stupid religious arguments, and proof-texts from a book amount to nothing.
The Age of Miracles ceased when the N.T. "Perfect Law of Liberty" was complete or made whole. The "faith" has been delivered "once" (Jude 3) by the saints of the 1st century, who were commissioned and inspired by the "Spirit of Truth -- John 16:13) to deliver truth from heaven in order to establish doctrine for the infant church as the Old Law had been nailed to the cross of the Christ (Col. 2:14)
"Charity (Love) never faileth; but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues (the speaking in a different language to convey the gospel .....a language never learned by the speaker, example: -- Acts 2), they shall cease; whether there be knowledge (supernatural gift from the Holy Spirit), it shall vanish away. For now, we know in part (each person endowed with a gift had only a part of the truth from heaven to reveal), and we prophesy in part. But when that which is "PERFECT" comes (the context describe that, a thing, not a person but a thing or event......in the original Greek the term means made whole, complete, fullness), that which is in part shall be done away." -- 1 Cor. 8-10
The same Greek word for perfect is found in describing the N.T. covenant of Christ "The PERFECT LAW OF LIBERTY" -- James 1:25
The only remaining gifts of the Spirit of Truth today are, "Faith, Hope, Charity or Love......with Chairty/Love being the greatest of the gifts" -- 1 Cor. 13:13
The Apostle Paul attempts to explain that which he is conveying much like the Christ did in a parable or analogy, comparing the infant church of Christ/Kingdom to that of a child in comprehension, but as the church matures.....the understanding becomes greater with the wisdom of age.......and when the WHOLE Law is bound once (Jude 3) it becomes easy to see the complete picture.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as child; but, when I became a man, I put away childish things. for now we see though a glass, darkly (much like looking through stained glass) but then (when? when the perfect comes) face to face (no barriers stand between the man and the revealed word of God.....its complete, whole, and reads the same for everyone).....now I know in part; but then shall I know even as I am known. Now abideth faith, hope and charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." -- 1 Cor. 13:11-13
This is the problem today........the majority instead of looking into the Perfect Law of Liberty....i.e., the word of God for doctrine. They play, they pretend, that they have some supernatural gift.....all without the proof and evidence to confirm those gifts though signs and wonders. They "PLAY" church much like a child parrots their heroes in pretension.
I defy anyone to present a modern miracle today that can't be explained by the natural laws of physics in an objective fashion. There is no need for miracles today, as the Apostle declares, "We have everything that pertains to life and godliness through the revelations of Jesus Christ." -- 2 Peter 1:3
The supernatural gifts of the Spirit of Truth....aka, the Holy Ghost were never promised to the world at large.......but to those who were commissioned to establish truthful doctrine for the infant Kingdom of God...i.e., the N.T. church.
"The Spirit of Truth.......whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him or knows Him; but you (the apostles) know Him because He dwells within you." -- John 14:17. And the Apostles of Christ were batpized by the Holy Spirit of Truth...i.e, the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost following the ascension of Jesus Christ into heaven (Acts 1, 2)
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Ideally, doesn't better transition to good?
If my arm is chopped off, it is better when I stop the bleeding but I don't see a transition to good.
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Is it good that people can learn to function with one arm; is it good that there are now prosthetics to replace that arm? In your opinion when does 'better' become 'good'? Could it be as other people's arms age, you may now have a prosthetic arm that remains strong?
For me, 'good' would be when I learn to function with what I have and stop mourning what I do not.
I always think of myself as a glass half full kind of person buy you seem to be, there's a few drops of water in the glass and that is enough. Do you find people hate your positive attitude?
Me I'd endeavor to adjust to the loss of an arm just as I have to aging but don't expect me to say it is good to lose anything.
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I know the age of miracles hasn't ceased and you're simply misinterpreting the text. You're a cessationist because you haven't experienced miracles in Jesus' Name. Only through the gifts and power of the Holy Spirit can you convince anyone that Jesus is Lord and Savior, not by quoting scripture or employing intellectual, philosophical arguments.
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I have worked with children who are missing a hand or an arm, and children who are missing two legs...yet can run a mile and do it happily. One child had a missing ear. All happy, positive kids--great examples to others who are not missing a thing. I have witnessed how happy people can be with a drop or two of water. It never occurred to me to hate them for their positive attitudes.
As happy as those kids are, how many would want to have their missing limbs back if given the chance?
That's like asking, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" It's a useless hypothetical as the
What If is impossible as per the laws of physics designed by the Creator. Just what chance would give these children their limbs back? Christian's are promised nothing extra in this life......the promise is to those who endure to the end of the race, the race of life. (Heb. 12:1, 1 Cor. 9:2-27, 2 Tim. 4:7-9). Stated clearly with no ambiguity whatsoever by the Christ, "But he that endures to the end, shall be saved." -- Matthew 24:13 SHALL BE........future tense, not you ARE SAVED. There is a false doctrine that presents salvation as once saved always saved......when the Apostle Paul himself lived in fear that he might fall from grace, with each day being a struggle with his humanity (1 Cor.9:27)
Meanwhile, we are all governed by the same realities of this physical world......children die every day, murders occur every day, there is no escape from this reality except through physical death. We all, love, experience joy, sorrow, grief, illnesses, success, failure......all depending upon how & where we decide (free will) to navigate this life.......no one can determine the free will decisions of others....its called the human condition. We are all at the mercy of the physical laws that govern our lives.......control is an illusion. We all live one day at a time through the GRACE of those controlling conditions....that which is natural. There's no guarantee of tomorrow for anyone.
"Whereas, ye know not what shall be on the morrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little time, and then vanishes away." -- James 4:14 The same rain falls on the just and the unjust....the same Sun rises on the evil as it does the righteous. (Matthew 5:45)
Anyone that attempts to tell you that miracles happen, Apostles exist today, They talk to God and He answers....are all fake doctrines. Through the completion of the Holy Scriptures the faith has been delivered "ONCE" (Jude 3), we have everything that pertains to life and godliness through the revelations of Jesus Christ (2 Peter 1:3-10) Its our eternal Spirit that we must be concerned with......death is as natural as breathing. Jesus turned those away that would follow Him only to feed the flesh......and chastised them, teaching them they should be concerned about that can feed their Spirits instead of their flesh. (John 6:26-27).......Jesus Himself revealed the simple truth, "The poor will be among you ALWAYS" -- John 12:8
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I would imagine all of them, just as the kids with mental disabilities would want to be 'normal'. I can imagine the great appreciation they would have for what we take for granted. I watch both the normal and the special ed kids. Sometimes I sigh and think, "Normal is over-rated."
Is that enough of a glass almost empty perspective for you?
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