Are all of Biden’s pardons that were autopenned signed INVALID?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yet you were wrong that noboy grants immunity. And you were wrong to use Nixon as a precedent of an example of a legal blanket pardon. Nobody ever challenged his pardon to check its legality. I think everyone agreed at the time that it was in the best interest of the US to let it go.

No such situation exists for the Biden blanket pardons and they will be challenged. Sticking to "nobody can ever challenge a presidential pardon" is simply bullshit. When the POTUS steps out of line this far, they can be and should be challenged.

Not what I said. A pardon does not grant immunity.
You said:
When a pardon becomes a grant of immunity they are no longer pardons.

What is your constitutional justification for the challenge? Please cite Article, section, or amendment. I won't hold my breath because you can't. It isn't there!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

first, bidens pardon is reversed because he made it to protect people from being investigated...which is not how pardons work, then, since the pardon is null, they are investigated, if found guilty, then they are sentenced to whatever sentence is appropriate.

even if it doenst change anything, at least we know they were guilty of committing federal crimes and that is known

In your bizarro world maybe, but we have a Constitution that must be followed. You cannot reverse a pardon, no matter how f-ed up it is.

 

[Modern Messiah]

Nope. Wrong assumption.

Nope.
THe cart does not come before the horse.
The only reason to give someone a pardon is because they have committed a crime. FACT!
The only pardon granted to the innocent is the turkey at the White House on Thanksgiving.

 

[Modern Messiah]

Wrong. Your assumption is just plain wrong.

Nope.
You are incorrect.
If you've done nothing wrong you require no pardon.

 

[SeaMajor7]

I am never wrong on this topic. I used to teach it! You can take my statements as the Gospel because I spent many years learning and teaching this crap!

You were never faced with such convoluted circumstances as these "pardons" present today. This is unprecedented. The "Nixon excuse" is worthless now.
Sorry, skipper, these are uncharted waters.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There was no crime stipulated. They want to take "any and all" and say that THAT is enough, yet, their own links say that a pardon comes after a crime...as I originally stated when I entered this argument lol

They want to thumb their nose at what the law says and say that biden can pardon someone for any crime they MAY have committed, though, I think it was marener who said the real reason out loud, that biden pardoned them to prevent trump from investigating them..which goes against the law article that they just linked that says a pardon has to come after the commission of a crime

He/she seems to be wanting it both ways. They want to say that "any and all" satisfies it, but also want to say that no crime has been committed.

No one is saying that. Biden will testify that the pardons are his, and that will be the end of that. Pardons have no review.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Nope.
THe cart does not come before the horse.
The only reason to give someone a pardon is because they have committed a crime. FACT!
The only pardon granted to the innocent is the turkey at the White House on Thanksgiving.

May have committed a crime. That would be an assumption on your part. Not a fact.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You were never faced with such convoluted circumstances as these "pardons" present today. This is unprecedented. The "Nixon excuse" is worthless now.
Sorry, skipper, these are uncharted waters.

Nope. Not uncharted because they simply cannot be challenged under the Constitution. The power of the pardon was designed to be unchallenged.

 

[SeaMajor7]

No one is saying that. Biden will testify that the pardons are his, and that will be the end of that. Pardons have no review.

He's going to have to explain how blanket pre-pardons that offer immunity for crimes against the United States that have NOT BEEN NAMED is found in the Constitution.
Hint: It doesn't exist.

 

[Modern Messiah]

May have committed a crime. That would be an assumption on your part. Not a fact.

Nope
No assumptions.
If you commit no crime then there is no need for a pardon.
It's actually very simple logic if you think about it.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

He's going to have to explain how blanket pre-pardons that offer immunity for crimes against the United States that have NOT BEEN NAMED is found in the Constitution.
Hint: It doesn't exist.

He does not have to explain anything. Pardons are not reviewable.

 

[SeaMajor7]

He does not have to explain anything. Pardons are not reviewable.

Grants of IMMUNITY are NOT Constitutional PARDONS.
Show me THE CRIME, and I'll acknowledge the pardon.
GO!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Nope
No assumptions.
If you commit no crime then there is no need for a pardon.
It's actually very simple logic if you think about it.

That is your false statement. Many people have been pardoned in lieu of prosecution that may or may not have been contemplated by political rivals. That is the essence and purpose of the pardon.

 

[Modern Messiah]

He does not have to explain anything. Pardons are not reviewable.

Pardons that do not follow the Constitution are reviewable.
Any government activity that is not in line with the Constitution is reviewable.
What specifically were the crimes/ criminals he pardoned.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Grants of IMMUNITY are NOT Constitutional PARDONS.
Show me THE CRIME, and I'll acknowledge the pardon.
GO!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are no grants of immunity by the President. That power is not in the Constitution. Have you read it yet?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Sea Major 7 does not understand the law.

He and Doc and Excalibur and Modern Messiah and PC etc all think they can create something out of nothing.

 

[Modern Messiah]

That is your false statement. Many people have been pardoned in lieu of prosecution that may or may not have been contemplated by political rivals. That is the essence and purpose of the pardon.

Nope.
If an individual has done nothing wrong then they require no pardon.
Again, this is simple logic.

 

[SeaMajor7]

There are no grants of immunity by the President. That power is not in the Constitution. Have you read it yet?

A Constitutional Pardon must be connected to an ACTUAL CRIME against the United. States of America.
No crime? NO FUCKING PARDON.
We CANNOT let those who perpetrated TREASON excuse themselves. That's INSANE.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Nope.
If an individual has done nothing wrong then they require no pardon.
Again, this is simple logic.

How did you come up with that as part of your argument?

The law is different than you believe.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Nope.
If an individual has done nothing wrong then they require no pardon.
Again, this is simple logic.

Politics sometimes deviates from logic, which is why the founders wrote the pardon into the Constitution. It was designed to account for deviations in the justice system. You are seeing a perfect example in these district judges asserting power over the President of the United States. That is not logical, is it?