Are aliens really going to have to land on this planet

[Divine Wind]

We need to destroy Islam and Marxism before we spread humanity around the galaxy.

If Christianity says we're alone we need to drop it too the minute we find other life.

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

There isn't? We know that? Show me a link that this has been proven.

If the old testament doesn't say we are alone why do ignorant Christians all think we are? It's always the nutters who believe it like retardedgysgt

The bible does not say we are alone in fact it speaks of other books which can mean other groups of believers.

See how vague that is? Could mean anything.

Interesting that Christianity fought the notion for so long and they had no other reason than they thought we were special.

Vague yes, but let's not forget it's been edited extensively by the PTB to promote a specific message.

 

[MarkDuffy]

If Christianity says we're alone we need to drop it too the minute we find other life.

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

It did here. Science is the same everywhere. Every Earthlike planet will have life.

Then explain how life formed here by natural means. You know, since it's so easy and happens everywhere. Surely you can explain how the first simple bacteria formed with all its complex DNA.

Abiogenesis - Wikipedia

Notice I posted Abiogenesis. The origin of life is NOT Evolution. Evolution occurs AFTER Creation.

Carbon and water are magic. It is like they were designed to create life.

So far the best scientific explanation for life by liberals is..."carbon and water are magic". So I guess magic is science now?

Answer the question. What is your hypothesis?

 

[theHawk]

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

It did here. Science is the same everywhere. Every Earthlike planet will have life.

Then explain how life formed here by natural means. You know, since it's so easy and happens everywhere. Surely you can explain how the first simple bacteria formed with all its complex DNA.

Abiogenesis - Wikipedia

Notice I posted Abiogenesis. The origin of life is NOT Evolution. Evolution occurs AFTER Creation.

Carbon and water are magic. It is like they were designed to create life.

"Abiogenesis" the word every dumb liberal runs to when they can't show or explain how life was created.

The link you provided lists several theories that never panned out what is the stunning conclusion according to your own link:

"There is no single, generally accepted model for the origin of life. Scientists have proposed several plausible theories, which share some common elements."

Yup, that's the best they got folks. There is not one generally accepted model for the origin of life because all the models are complete hokum.

Never once has spontaneous creation been replicated in a lab, and scientists don't even have a theory on how to even attempt it.

We evolutionary biologists are waay too lazy to stare at a test tube or petri dish for a billion years

So it takes a billion years for a bunch of inorganic molecules to suddenly form complex DNA strands. Great cop out, I'll give you that.

 

[MarkDuffy]

If Christianity says we're alone we need to drop it too the minute we find other life.

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

It did here. Science is the same everywhere. Every Earthlike planet will have life.

Then explain how life formed here by natural means. You know, since it's so easy and happens everywhere. Surely you can explain how the first simple bacteria formed with all its complex DNA.

Abiogenesis - Wikipedia

Notice I posted Abiogenesis. The origin of life is NOT Evolution. Evolution occurs AFTER Creation.

Carbon and water are magic. It is like they were designed to create life.

So far the best scientific explanation for life by liberals is..."carbon and water are magic". So I guess magic is science now?

In a way yes. It appears biochemistry is a natural result of the periodic table.

 

[Divine Wind]

We need to destroy Islam and Marxism before we spread humanity around the galaxy.

If Christianity says we're alone we need to drop it too the minute we find other life.

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

Are you saying God couldn't put life on other planets?

 

[theHawk]

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

It did here. Science is the same everywhere. Every Earthlike planet will have life.

Then explain how life formed here by natural means. You know, since it's so easy and happens everywhere. Surely you can explain how the first simple bacteria formed with all its complex DNA.

Abiogenesis - Wikipedia

Notice I posted Abiogenesis. The origin of life is NOT Evolution. Evolution occurs AFTER Creation.

Carbon and water are magic. It is like they were designed to create life.

So far the best scientific explanation for life by liberals is..."carbon and water are magic". So I guess magic is science now?

Answer the question. What is your hypothesis?

My hypothesis is life cannot form naturally in an inorganic universe.

 

[theHawk]

We need to destroy Islam and Marxism before we spread humanity around the galaxy.

If Christianity says we're alone we need to drop it too the minute we find other life.

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

Are you saying God couldn't put life on other planets?

God could, yes.

 

[Divine Wind]

We need to destroy Islam and Marxism before we spread humanity around the galaxy.

If Christianity says we're alone we need to drop it too the minute we find other life.

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

Are you saying God couldn't put life on other planets?

God could, yes.

Therefore your answer should have been "I don't know".

While life is obviously rare, at least in our neck of the galaxy, that doesn't mean it's rare everywhere. It's also possible that God might only put life on one planet in each galaxy.

 

[MarkDuffy]

It did here. Science is the same everywhere. Every Earthlike planet will have life.

Then explain how life formed here by natural means. You know, since it's so easy and happens everywhere. Surely you can explain how the first simple bacteria formed with all its complex DNA.

Abiogenesis - Wikipedia

Notice I posted Abiogenesis. The origin of life is NOT Evolution. Evolution occurs AFTER Creation.

Carbon and water are magic. It is like they were designed to create life.

"Abiogenesis" the word every dumb liberal runs to when they can't show or explain how life was created.

The link you provided lists several theories that never panned out what is the stunning conclusion according to your own link:

"There is no single, generally accepted model for the origin of life. Scientists have proposed several plausible theories, which share some common elements."

Yup, that's the best they got folks. There is not one generally accepted model for the origin of life because all the models are complete hokum.

Never once has spontaneous creation been replicated in a lab, and scientists don't even have a theory on how to even attempt it.

We evolutionary biologists are waay too lazy to stare at a test tube or petri dish for a billion years

So it takes a billion years for a bunch of inorganic molecules to suddenly form complex DNA strands. Great cop out, I'll give you that.

Not exactly. It takes that long for simple organics to accumulate in order to come in contact and interact.

The first life was very simple. Complex DNA & multicellular life came much much later.

EDIT: You appear to have a misunderstanding of "organics" &"inorganics". An organic molecule contains carbon. CO2 is organic. Inorganic does not "become" organic.

 

[Divine Wind]

Then explain how life formed here by natural means. You know, since it's so easy and happens everywhere. Surely you can explain how the first simple bacteria formed with all its complex DNA.

Abiogenesis - Wikipedia

Notice I posted Abiogenesis. The origin of life is NOT Evolution. Evolution occurs AFTER Creation.

Carbon and water are magic. It is like they were designed to create life.

"Abiogenesis" the word every dumb liberal runs to when they can't show or explain how life was created.

The link you provided lists several theories that never panned out what is the stunning conclusion according to your own link:

"There is no single, generally accepted model for the origin of life. Scientists have proposed several plausible theories, which share some common elements."

Yup, that's the best they got folks. There is not one generally accepted model for the origin of life because all the models are complete hokum.

Never once has spontaneous creation been replicated in a lab, and scientists don't even have a theory on how to even attempt it.

We evolutionary biologists are waay too lazy to stare at a test tube or petri dish for a billion years

So it takes a billion years for a bunch of inorganic molecules to suddenly form complex DNA strands. Great cop out, I'll give you that.

Not exactly. It takes that long for simple organics to accumulate in order to come in contact and interact.

The first life was very simple. Complex DNA & multicellular life came much much later.

An interesting, but unproved, theory.

Atheists loved the Oscillating Universe theory, but now that all the evidence points to a One-Shot Universe ending in "The Big Chill", it begs the question "How and Why did it all begin?"

 

[MarkDuffy]

We need to destroy Islam and Marxism before we spread humanity around the galaxy.

If Christianity says we're alone we need to drop it too the minute we find other life.

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

Are you saying God couldn't put life on other planets?

He hasn't admitted to God as his hypothesis yet, cuz I will rip him a new asshole

 

[MarkDuffy]

It did here. Science is the same everywhere. Every Earthlike planet will have life.

Then explain how life formed here by natural means. You know, since it's so easy and happens everywhere. Surely you can explain how the first simple bacteria formed with all its complex DNA.

Abiogenesis - Wikipedia

Notice I posted Abiogenesis. The origin of life is NOT Evolution. Evolution occurs AFTER Creation.

Carbon and water are magic. It is like they were designed to create life.

So far the best scientific explanation for life by liberals is..."carbon and water are magic". So I guess magic is science now?

Answer the question. What is your hypothesis?

My hypothesis is life cannot form naturally in an inorganic universe.

The universe is not inorganic.

Our sun is creating tons of carbon in its core as we post.

 

[MarkDuffy]

We need to destroy Islam and Marxism before we spread humanity around the galaxy.

If Christianity says we're alone we need to drop it too the minute we find other life.

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

Are you saying God couldn't put life on other planets?

God could, yes.

Ah, so we are finally making progress. You are an Intelligent Designer then. I will not call you a creationist, cuz those people are crazy. Even IDers admit that.

True?

 

[Mushroom]

All earthlike planets in the goldilocks zone with Sun like G2 stars in the arms of spiral galaxies and have iron cores with magnetic fields will create life.

The real question is how far outside this earth-like that life can go.

I would not say will, but can.

You still need other things to create other than minimal levels of life. Water or a liquid to operate as water for a start.

Intelligent life is yet another thing. Most believe that without a significant moon collisions will tend to wipe out the planet to often to evolve much between the constant extinction level events.

And to ever become space faring, other requirements would have to be met. First a clear atmosphere, so that space outside of the planetary atmosphere can be seen and wondered about. And once again a close body like a moon to have an initial destination to reach prior to going out farther.

As far as "alien life", I do not think we will ever meet any beyond the level of say the chimp or dog. Physics limits us to exploring a very small part of our galaxy. And it also degrades any signals to the point that we will never detect them.

Nu Phoenicis is a possible contender, being slightly larger than the Sun, and having an accretion disk and possible planets. But it is just under 50 light years away.

Even if intelligent beings who possess the capability to detect and read our TV signals exist there, they will not learn for another 2 years that we have landed on the moon. So even then, and they decided to launch craft to us we would likely not see them for several hundred years at the soonest.

 

[MarkDuffy]

All earthlike planets in the goldilocks zone with Sun like G2 stars in the arms of spiral galaxies and have iron cores with magnetic fields will create life.

The real question is how far outside this earth-like that life can go.

I would not say will, but can.

You still need other things to create other than minimal levels of life. Water or a liquid to operate as water for a start.

Intelligent life is yet another thing. Most believe that without a significant moon collisions will tend to wipe out the planet to often to evolve much between the constant extinction level events.

And to ever become space faring, other requirements would have to be met. First a clear atmosphere, so that space outside of the planetary atmosphere can be seen and wondered about. And once again a close body like a moon to have an initial destination to reach prior to going out farther.

As far as "alien life", I do not think we will ever meet any beyond the level of say the chimp or dog. Physics limits us to exploring a very small part of our galaxy. And it also degrades any signals to the point that we will never detect them.

Nu Phoenicis is a possible contender, being slightly larger than the Sun, and having an accretion disk and possible planets. But it is just under 50 light years away.

Even if intelligent beings who possess the capability to detect and read our TV signals exist there, they will not learn for another 2 years that we have landed on the moon. So even then, and they decided to launch craft to us we would likely not see them for several hundred years at the soonest.

Ah, you are a follower of the earth-moon hypothesis. Perhaps that makes it easier, but I am not a student of that one.

Chimps and dogs are very advanced creatures, chimps especially so.

There is no proof that intelligence is a positive selective trait. We just might turn out to be the shortest-lived species of any this planet has ever seen. The punchline of this is that the absence of alien visitors means nothing.

I got into a very heated argument with other evolutionary biologists once about Planet of the Apes. They claimed it was bogus cuz they had horses. I argued the why not position.

 

[theHawk]

We need to destroy Islam and Marxism before we spread humanity around the galaxy.

If Christianity says we're alone we need to drop it too the minute we find other life.

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

Are you saying God couldn't put life on other planets?

He hasn't admitted to God as his hypothesis yet, cuz I will rip him a new asshole

Rip a new one? So scientists have no idea how life was created, you state you believe it is "magic", but if someone beleives it was God, then you'll attack them? How is believing in a supernatural means of creation any more crazy than "magic"? I'd love to hear your reasoning on how and why creationists and ID are crazy, yet you cannot provide one scientific theory to how life was created naturally.

 

[Mushroom]

Ah, you are a follower of the earth-moon hypothesis. Perhaps that makes it easier, but I am not a student of that one.

Chimps and dogs are very advanced creatures, chimps especially so.

There is no proof that intelligence is a positive selective trait. We just might turn out to be the shortest-lived species of any this planet has ever seen. The punchline of this is that the absence of alien visitors means nothing.

I got into a very heated argument with other evolutionary biologists once about Planet of the Apes. They claimed it was bogus cuz they had horses. I argued the why not position.

I am, because we can see that in our own solar system. The planets that can possibly support life other than earth (and 2 others are on the fringes of the habitable zone) do not have life, and the evidence of multiple massive impacts are huge.

Now I do believe that Mars had the great potential for life. But the death of it's molten core doomed any life that had been there at one time millions of years ago.

If nothing else, the Moon protects us from such events. Either the gravity of the Moon nudging the rock into another orbit, or impacting it instead. And the evidence on a high number of craters on the backside backs that up also.

And how long would it take for any intelligent species to go from their planet to say another body like Mars? It has been almost 50 years since we stepped on the moon, but we have yet to go to Mars. These are not straight line steps from one progression to the other, but expand greatly from one step to the next. Without one step, it will take that much longer to reach the next one.

Humans had the mental capability to read and write since Neanderthal, but it is only fairly recently that Homo Sapiens Sapiens developed that degree of technology.

And by "Intelligent Life", I mean having the capability to recognize a sense of self, and to recognize both cause and consequences. Other than humans, no other animals fully have that capability.

And this goes back to the lack of Extinction Level Events. The most common on our planet are collisions. It took 65 million years for life to fully recover from the last such event, and if one was to happen again tomorrow it will likely be another 65 million years until it happened again.

Or it can even be a non-cosmic event. Just look at Tambora.

 

[Mushroom]

I got into a very heated argument with other evolutionary biologists once about Planet of the Apes. They claimed it was bogus cuz they had horses. I argued the why not position.

Then they were speaking from a preconceived position and not looking at it logically.

Even insects have been shown to "breed" other insects to work for them.

Taming another life form is not evolution, it is adaptation. And in most cases, it is a 2 way street. Horses could not carry humans, until humans first domesticated them and bred them for long enough through selective breeding to create the modern horse. Not unlike we could not have dogs until we domesticated and bread the unwanted traits out of wolves.

Interestingly, in almost every case of domestication I can think of except 2 (pigs and cats), we harnessed their genetics to make them over in our image. The animals we now know did not even exist before we started to tinker with them.

 

[MarkDuffy]

We need to destroy Islam and Marxism before we spread humanity around the galaxy.

If Christianity says we're alone we need to drop it too the minute we find other life.

We are likely alone, there isn't so much as a microbe in the rest of the universe. Unless of course scientists can prove life can spring out of an inorganic environment by natural means.

Are you saying God couldn't put life on other planets?

He hasn't admitted to God as his hypothesis yet, cuz I will rip him a new asshole

Rip a new one?

Yep

So scientists have no idea how life was created, you state you believe it is "magic",

You said that, not us. We are still arguing over it. It is even possible that life arose by many different mechanisms, each in competition with each other. PreCambrian fossils are full of evolutionary examples of early life biochemistry. What we know, is that one line of biochemistry took over on earth (mostly).

I said it appears to be magic. Something different.

but if someone beleives it was God, then you'll attack them?

I will never attack your God. I am a reformed Southern Baptist. VERY reformed.

How is believing in a supernatural means of creation any more crazy than "magic"?

Again, I did not call the God hypothesis crazy. I called creationists crazy. IDers admit to the age of the universe, history of fossils, plate tetonics and real science. Creationists do not.

I'd love to hear your reasoning on how and why creationists and ID are crazy, yet you cannot provide one scientific theory to how life was created naturally.

Ok, let's start.

Who begat God? Where did God come from?

PS ~ This should send you for a drink. As a scientist, I cannot deny the possibility of God.

 

[MarkDuffy]

For the rest of the class, that question is where I usually lose them. They have an origin problem too.

Next question is to ask them to quote Genesis 1:26