Arab commentator: When the state of Israel was established, there was no state called palestine—It did not exist.

[Ben Thomson]

Prior to Abraham (around 2100-1800 B.C) there was no Israel, or even Jews, Christians or Muslims for that matter. The people in that area of the ancient Mideast were mostly Canaanites. After some interaction between God and Abraham, Abraham's sons went off and established the different faiths. Jews and the present people called Palestinians come for the same blood stock..their differences are merely cultural/political. Therefore, for the Jews to tell the Palestinians to 'get off our land' in disingenuous.

 

[Lee Edwin]

Arab commentator: “When the State of Israel was established, there was no state called ‘palestine.’ Where did we get that name? It did not exist.”

View attachment 433225He's completely and laughably wrong (even before you ask "so did a state called Israel exist"?)

Palestine became a state in 1922. It had borders, it printed stamps, the mail service made international treaties and it issued passports. (Golda Meir travelled on one).

Coins minted there 1300 years earlier bore the name (pictures somewhere). It had a newspaper "Filistan".

Palestine is in the Bible as a distinct region - includes Lebanon but not the Negev - see Numbers 34:1-12 and Ezekiel 47:13-20.

The "big city" of the region was Beirut (see Napoleon's map in 1798) Weizmann knew that the wealthy landowners lived there - dividing the country would make it easy to get hold of their property (some of it in the north was paid for in the 1920s before the wholesale land-grabbing started in the 1930s).

Palestine is a generic Eur

Arab commentator: “When the State of Israel was established, there was no state called ‘palestine.’ Where did we get that name? It did not exist.”

View attachment 433225He's completely and laughably wrong (even before you ask "so did a state called Israel exist"?)

Palestine became a state in 1922. It had borders, it printed stamps, the mail service made international treaties and it issued passports. (Golda Meir travelled on one).

Coins minted there 1300 years earlier bore the name (pictures somewhere). It had a newspaper "Filistan".

Palestine is in the Bible as a distinct region - includes Lebanon but not the Negev - see Numbers 34:1-12 and Ezekiel 47:13-20.

The "big city" of the region was Beirut (see Napoleon's map in 1798) Weizmann knew that the wealthy landowners lived there - dividing the country would make it easy to get hold of their property (some of it in the north was paid for in the 1920s before the wholesale land-grabbing started in the 1930s).

Palestine has been a standard generic European Christian name for centuries, dating back to the Roman Empire which imposed the name palaestina on Jews in retribution for the Jewish Bar Kokhba Revolt. Britain called the British Mandate by the name palestine. There wasn’t any entity palestine in the preceding 400 years of the Ottoman Empire. Britain minted coins and printed stamps, in London, with the name palestine as well as “land of Israel“ in Hebrew. Palestine coins in the Mandate were pounds.

The Arab newspaper Filastin was owned by Greek Orthodox Christian Arabs who learned of the name palestine from European Christians—Filastin is merely an Arab adaptation of palestine. Filastin is not a native Arabic word. Arabs, Muslims called the country Sham, constituting Syria, dating back at least to the time of Muhammad...

 

[watchingfromafar]

Arab commentator: When the state of Israel was established, there was no state called palestine—It did not exist.

Between me and you and the fence post, before 1947ad there was no place called "Israel". The Israeli's have no claim to the land prior to the land theft that started before 1947 up to and including today, so help me God.

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A must read------ food for thought

Israeli refuseniks will be treated as criminals, says defence minister

Forty-three Israeli military intelligence reservists who signed a letter refusing to serve in the occupied Palestinian territories have been denounced as criminal by defence minister Moshe Ya'alon, as the country's political and military leadership turned its fire on the refuseniks.

MOTE: America, the Israeli government is punishing its own IDF for refusing to obey orders to subvert the Palestinian people by surveillance and intimidation.

Thank God there are some Israeli's who are no longer going to treat the Palestinian people as the Nazis treated the Jews.

"The ferocity of the response was not unexpected by those involved. One signatory told the Guardian before publication that he feared being portrayed as an enemy of the state after the letter was made public.

Among those who have criticised the reservists' actions are Israel's prime minister, the president, opposition leaders and a former intelligence head. In addition, the Israeli military revealed that 200 other members of the unit had signed a counter-letter defending its work.

The reservists' letter had alleged the intelligence unit undertook "all-encompassing" surveillance of the Palestinians – whether involved in terrorism or not – and used information, including on sexual orientation, to blackmail individuals into becoming informants."
Israeli refuseniks will be treated as criminals, says defence minister
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[rylah]

Well...no.... and the Jewish people DO have an ancestral tie to the land. It's just that they aren't the only ones. Yanking chains?

I do agree the Jews have a connection to the land, as do the Arabs.
I was just talking about their effort to create a faux history devoid of the arabs. Reminds me of the Nazi's jumping through the hoops to create the faux aryan history to legitimize their claims. ...

Isn't that what the Arabs to also? Creating a history devoid of Jews? It's a mess Sunni, the most vocal ones don't want to admit how closely tied each of their histories are to each other.

Oh, I have a long closely tied history of dhimmitude.
And don't try your "it was better than Genghis Khan" none sense on me.

I don’t bother with you at all, so no need to worry about that.

What you don't bother with are facts,
but somehow reassured of their evil intentions...?

 

[surada]

Arab commentator: “When the State of Israel was established, there was no state called ‘palestine.’ Where did we get that name? It did not exist.”

Palestine is a province of Syria.. since 500 BC.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Palestine is a province of Syria.. since 500 BC.

Where does it say that Palestine was a Province of Syria .....since 500 BC.

The Maccabees defeated the Greeks and Persians and recovered sovereignty for 100 years before the Romans arrived and made Judea a Roman Province.

What part of the region of Palestine do you keep referring to as having been a Province of Syria since 500 BC? Were the Greeks clear about it when they started calling any part of the region Palestine?

 

[surada]

Where does it say that Palestine was a Province of Syria .....since 500 BC.

The Maccabees defeated the Greeks and Persians and recovered sovereignty for 100 years before the Romans arrived and made Judea a Roman Province.

What part of the region of Palestine do you keep referring to as having been a Province of Syria since 500 BC? Were the Greeks clear about it when they started calling any part of the region Palestine?

Herodotus, Palestine and the Jews – QCpal

Herodotus, Palestine and the Jews

Herodotus was the first to use “Palestine” to describe this area of the Levant and it was it the 5th Century BCE over 2500 years ago … So don’t believe zionist #hasb…

qcpal.wordpress.com

Feb 05, 2016 · Herodotus was the first to use “Palestine” to describe this area of the Levant and it was it the 5th Century BCE over 2500 years ago … So don’t believe zionist #hasbara trying to push that “Palestine” was only created to punish Judahites from the Bar Kochba rebellion …


Syria/Palestine | Luwian Studies

https://luwianstudies.org/petty-kingdoms-in-syria-and-palestine

T he region stretching south of the mountains of Anatolia towards the Euphrates and the Mediterranean Sea was called Syria in antiquity. Further south it extends into Palestine, forming the bridge between Egypt, the Jordan River and the Mediterranean. Due to its location, Syria served as a connection from Mesopotamia to the Mediterranean.

 

[surada]

Syria Palaestina - Wikipedia

Syria Palaestina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

After crushing the Bar Kokhba revolt, the Roman Emperor Hadrian applied the name Syria Palaestina, meaning "Palestinian Syria", to Judea province. The name Syria Palaestina predates Hadrian's naming decision by at least five centuries, as the term was already in use in the West; Herodotus, for example, uses the term in the V century BC when discussing the component parts of the fifth province of the Achaemenid empire: Phoenicia, Cyprus, "and that part of Syria which is called Palestine ...

 

[Sixties Fan]

Syria Palaestina - Wikipedia

Syria Palaestina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

After crushing the Bar Kokhba revolt, the Roman Emperor Hadrian applied the name Syria Palaestina, meaning "Palestinian Syria", to Judea province. The name Syria Palaestina predates Hadrian's naming decision by at least five centuries, as the term was already in use in the West; Herodotus, for example, uses the term in the V century BC when discussing the component parts of the fifth province of the Achaemenid empire: Phoenicia, Cyprus, "and that part of Syria which is called Palestine ...

Herodotus used the word Palestine for the area where the Phillistines had lived, since the only area he had visited was the coastal area.

Some Observations on the Name of Palestine on JSTOR

LOUIS H. FELDMAN, Some Observations on the Name of Palestine, Hebrew Union College Annual, Vol. 61 (1990), pp. 1-23

www.jstor.org

The Romans, on the other hand, joined the Provinces of Judea and Syria together after Bar Kochba so that the Jews would stop their riots and forget about their homeland.
They used the word Palestinea because of the Philistines who had defeated Israel, during that time in order to humiliate the Jews.

It did not work about the Jews forgetting their homeland and wanting to have sovereignty over it again.


In other words, up until the Romans decided to humiliate the Jews in 135 AD, the Jewish homeland was called Judea/Judah, by the Assyrians, the Greeks, and the Romans .

Judah was the Jewish Kingdom which survived the Assyrian invasion which scattered the Kingdom of Israel. The 10 tribes.

Which is why I asked you what part of the area did Herodotus call Palestine in the 6th century BC, which he clearly had called that after the Philistines who lived in that small area.

 

[surada]

Herodotus used the word Palestine for the area where the Phillistines had lived, since the only area he had visited was the coastal area.

Some Observations on the Name of Palestine on JSTOR

LOUIS H. FELDMAN, Some Observations on the Name of Palestine, Hebrew Union College Annual, Vol. 61 (1990), pp. 1-23

www.jstor.org

The Romans, on the other hand, joined the Provinces of Judea and Syria together after Bar Kochba so that the Jews would stop their riots and forget about their homeland.
They used the word Palestinea because of the Philistines who had defeated Israel, during that time in order to humiliate the Jews.

It did not work about the Jews forgetting their homeland and wanting to have sovereignty over it again.


In other words, up until the Romans decided to humiliate the Jews in 135 AD, the Jewish homeland was called Judea/Judah, by the Assyrians, the Greeks, and the Romans .

Judah was the Jewish Kingdom which survived the Assyrian invasion which scattered the Kingdom of Israel. The 10 tribes.

Which is why I asked you what part of the area did Herodotus call Palestine in the 6th century BC, which he clearly had called that after the Philistines who lived in that small area.

5th century.. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in the 7th century BC

They teach you that Palestine was named after the Philistines. They were sea people probably from the Greek Islands.. not Arabs.

The Akkadians from the Arabian Peninsula had a written language by 3100 BC and were all over Palestine, Syria, the Levant and Mesopotamia. Abraham was from the northern coast of Urfa, Syria near Haran.

 

[surada]

Herodotus used the word Palestine for the area where the Phillistines had lived, since the only area he had visited was the coastal area.

Some Observations on the Name of Palestine on JSTOR

LOUIS H. FELDMAN, Some Observations on the Name of Palestine, Hebrew Union College Annual, Vol. 61 (1990), pp. 1-23

www.jstor.org

The Romans, on the other hand, joined the Provinces of Judea and Syria together after Bar Kochba so that the Jews would stop their riots and forget about their homeland.
They used the word Palestinea because of the Philistines who had defeated Israel, during that time in order to humiliate the Jews.

It did not work about the Jews forgetting their homeland and wanting to have sovereignty over it again.


In other words, up until the Romans decided to humiliate the Jews in 135 AD, the Jewish homeland was called Judea/Judah, by the Assyrians, the Greeks, and the Romans .

Judah was the Jewish Kingdom which survived the Assyrian invasion which scattered the Kingdom of Israel. The 10 tribes.

Which is why I asked you what part of the area did Herodotus call Palestine in the 6th century BC, which he clearly had called that after the Philistines who lived in that small area.

g

 

[Sixties Fan]

5th century.. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in the 7th century BC

They teach you that Palestine was named after the Philistines. They were sea people probably from the Greek Islands.. not Arabs.

The Akkadians from the Arabian Peninsula had a written language by 3100 BC and were all over Palestine, Syria, the Levant and Mesopotamia. Abraham was from the northern coast of Urfa, Syria near Haran.

It does not tell me where the word Palestine was first used, since it was used because of the Philistines and not before them.

You have said that the Historian Herodotus seems to have been the first one to use it. To used it for the area where the Philistines had lived.

No need to repeat all about Arabs and Akkadians, etc. They have nothing to do with what I am discussing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestine is a province of Syria.. since 500 BC.

At what point was it no longer a province of Syria?

 

[Sixties Fan]

g

Yours is not a contemporary map from when the Philistines lived there.

Here is the area attributed to the Philistines, which Herodotus mentions as Palestinea

Map of the Territory of the Philistines - Bible History

www.bible-history.com

Clearly the Jewish Kingdoms were not called Palestinea, but were known back then as Israel and Judah

 

[surada]

It does not tell me where the word Palestine was first used, since it was used because of the Philistines and not before them.

You have said that the Historian Herodotus seems to have been the first one to use it. To used it for the area where the Philistines had lived.

No need to repeat all about Arabs and Akkadians, etc. They have nothing to do with what I am discussing.

Do you understand the symbiotic relationship between Bedouin and people who lived in towns and villages? When the Philistines arrived they all headed for Canaan, the hill country.. Somebody had to grow grains to make their world work, but the Akkadians had written language and were there long before the Hebrews split off from the Canaanites..

 

[Sixties Fan]

Do you understand the symbiotic relationship between Bedouin and people who lived in towns and villages? When the Philistines arrived they all headed for Canaan, the hill country.. Somebody had to grow grains to make their world work, but the Akkadians had written language and were there long before the Hebrews split off from the Canaanites..

That is not what I am discussing.

Before the Greeks moved to the Land of Canaan, there was no region called Palestinea.


I am asking when was the first time the region was called Palestinea, for the Philistines, if Herodotus was not the first one to call it that?
Or was he the first one?

 

[surada]

That is not what I am discussing.

Before the Greeks moved to the Land of Canaan, there was no region called Palestinea.


I am asking when was the first time the region was called Palestinea, for the Philistines, if Herodotus was not the first one to call it that?
Or was he the first one?

LOLOL.. Sorry, you're wrong but that's the JEWISH WAY.. they are still demonizing their enemies.

Considering the way they were persecuted in Europe, you'd think they had more humanity and justice.

 

[Sixties Fan]

LOLOL.. Sorry, you're wrong but that's the JEWISH WAY.. they are still demonizing their enemies.

Considering the way they were persecuted in Europe, you'd think they had more humanity and justice.

You are deflecting again from the issues and have clearly not read history, much less read the articles I posted. And even less, shall we say, spoken to Arab and Jewish Citizens of Israel who are all for Peace. So, let us leave that at that.

There is no "Jewish Way". You are very unlearned about the "Way" of Judaism and the Jews, and cannot see the full humanity Jews and Israelis have always demonstrated towards their fellow human beings, to this day.

Slandering Jews is a 2000 year old Sport, neither Christianity nor Islam wish to stop playing.

But the theme of this thread is about the existence of a State of Palestine. At any time of the region's history.

So, Herodotus the Historian, is the very first known human to call the coastal area Palestinea, after the Philistines who had an Empire for some time.

No State of Palestine, and no Palestinians.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Herodotus, Palestine and the Jews – QCpal

Herodotus, Palestine and the Jews

Herodotus was the first to use “Palestine” to describe this area of the Levant and it was it the 5th Century BCE over 2500 years ago … So don’t believe zionist #hasb…

qcpal.wordpress.com

Feb 05, 2016 · Herodotus was the first to use “Palestine” to describe this area of the Levant and it was it the 5th Century BCE over 2500 years ago … So don’t believe zionist #hasbara trying to push that “Palestine” was only created to punish Judahites from the Bar Kochba rebellion …


Syria/Palestine | Luwian Studies

https://luwianstudies.org/petty-kingdoms-in-syria-and-palestine

T he region stretching south of the mountains of Anatolia towards the Euphrates and the Mediterranean Sea was called Syria in antiquity. Further south it extends into Palestine, forming the bridge between Egypt, the Jordan River and the Mediterranean. Due to its location, Syria served as a connection from Mesopotamia to the Mediterranean.

I do find it fascinating that one of your sources:

Herodotus, Palestine and the Jews

Herodotus was the first to use “Palestine” to describe this area of the Levant and it was it the 5th Century BCE over 2500 years ago … So don’t believe zionist #hasb…

qcpal.wordpress.com

Is a Palestinian opinion article, which even questions Jewish Presence during certain periods of invaders.

And the author's name is that of a Nazi Officer:

Karl Radl Recaptured - MUSSOLINI ESCAPE ECHO - Kalgoorlie Miner (WA : 1895 - 1954) - 19 Mar 1949

Munich, March 18.—Police have recaptured Karl Radl, former adjutant to scarfaced Otto Skorzeny a Nazi S.S. colonel. Radl ...

trove.nla.gov.au

Karl Radl German Wafen-SS Officer Freed Mussolini In 1943 Autograph | #1821303785

Karl Radl [1911 1981] was a prominent officer in the Waffen-SS. He was born in Austria and joined the national socialist student organization and the SS, but was forced to flee to Germany when Nationa

www.worthpoint.com

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The above article, a "very" reliable source for History.
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[Sixties Fan]

https://luwianstudies.org/petty-kingdoms-in-syria-and-palestine/

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https://luwianstudies.org/goals/

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If the term Palestinea only came to be when Herodotus gave the Philistine coastal area that name, why then is this Swiss organization using that name for the region before 6th century BCE?

This kind of usage only confused people into thinking that the whole area was always called Palestinea, when it was not.