Appeals court allows lawsuits against resource officer to continue

[TNHarley]

First off, I think this is a load of BS. Getting sued for being a coward? Seriously?

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They argue that a police officer has a mandatory obligation to respond to such a threat.
This is absolutely false. They do NOT have to help people. The Supremes ruled on this years ago.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone (Published 2005)

Supreme Court rules that police do not have constitutional duty to protect person from harm, even woman who obtained court-issued protective order against violent husband which made arrest mandatory for violation; decision overturns ruling by federal appeals court in Colorado; it had permitted...

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I understand the parents grief but my gawd, now you just look like money hungry jerks.
Maybe yall can get sued for a character flaw as well?

 

[pknopp]

I'm not sure how I feel overall but if it ends up taking a chunk out of immunity laws, I say let it proceed.

 

[TNHarley]

I'm not sure how I feel overall but if it ends up taking a chunk out of immunity laws, I say let it proceed.

I don't think it will. I feel like this ruling is based off emotion.

 

[daveman]

At least the whole world now knows he's a coward. Nobody will ever trust him with their safety again.

 

[TNHarley]

At least the whole world now knows he's a coward. Nobody will ever trust him with their safety again.

Yep. But he didn't have an obligation to risk his life for others. No police do.
Strap up

 

[daveman]

Yep. But he didn't have an obligation to risk his life for others. No police do.
Strap up

I agree. Any school building with NO GUNS ALLOWED signs is free for a shooter to use.

Schools need to allow armed volunteers to patrol.

And I don't want to hear any stupid shit from irrational gun haters. We've tried it your way. It gets kids killed. So sit down and shut up.

 

[pknopp]

I agree. Any school building with NO GUNS ALLOWED signs is free for a shooter to use.

Schools need to allow armed volunteers to patrol.

And I don't want to hear any stupid shit from irrational gun haters. We've tried it your way. It gets kids killed. So sit down and shut up.

Cops circled the school in Uvalde and stood around picking their noses. I am NOT anti gun but that isn't going to solve the problem. I care less who is carrying, it's not going to solve the problem. Will guns stop a teen that runs their car into the kids standing at the bus stop?

 

[daveman]

Cops circled the school in Uvalde and stood around picking their noses. I am NOT anti gun but that isn't going to solve the problem. I care less who is carrying, it's not going to solve the problem. Will guns stop a teen that runs their car into the kids standing at the bus stop?

Reductio ad absurdum. Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns.

And if a cop refuses to move towards the sound of gunfire, he's not a good guy.

 

[pknopp]

Reductio ad absurdum. Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns.

And yet we have two examples where that did not happen.

The idea should be that no one dies as opposed to 8 instead of 12.

And if a cop refuses to move towards the sound of gunfire, he's not a good guy.

Once the gunfire starts, people are already dead.

 

[Edgetho]

First off, I think this is a load of BS. Getting sued for being a coward? Seriously?

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They argue that a police officer has a mandatory obligation to respond to such a threat.
This is absolutely false. They do NOT have to help people. The Supremes ruled on this years ago.

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone (Published 2005)

Supreme Court rules that police do not have constitutional duty to protect person from harm, even woman who obtained court-issued protective order against violent husband which made arrest mandatory for violation; decision overturns ruling by federal appeals court in Colorado; it had permitted...

www.nytimes.com

I understand the parents grief but my gawd, now you just look like money hungry jerks.
Maybe yall can get sued for a character flaw as well?

I think the Courts might want to have a re-look at this ruling. And I agree. It's a bullshit ruling right up there with Dred Scott, IMO.

I also think the Courts need to take a hard look, a REALLY HARD LOOK at the Immunity rules for goobermint employees.

I understand that they can't be getting sued every time they turn around but, come on.... Mike Nifong? Who tried to destroy some kids' lives for political gain? And all he got was kicked out of a profession he should have never been in? Jack Smith? Robert Mueller? Alvin Bragg? Merchan? etc, etc, etc ad nauseam

Funny how the only people getting immunity is goobermint types, amirite?

 

[daveman]

And yet we have two examples where that did not happen.

The idea should be that no one dies as opposed to 8 instead of 12.

So what's your idea? Law enforcement? The FBI knew about the Parkland shooter. The local cops had visited his house. The school knew he was a potential shooter.

Nobody did anything.

More of that will not solve anything.

Once the gunfire starts, people are already dead.

A shooter isn't going to shoot up a place with veterans carrying AR-15s.

 

[pknopp]

So what's your idea? Law enforcement? The FBI knew about the Parkland shooter. The local cops had visited his house. The school knew he was a potential shooter.

That's the discussion we need to be having.

Nobody did anything.

More of that will not solve anything.

A shooter isn't going to shoot up a place with veterans carrying AR-15s.

2009 Fort Hood shooting - Wikipedia

 

[daveman]

That's the discussion we need to be having.

Law enforcement keeps failing, yes. Especially the FBI. Seems like every shooter the past decade or so was on the FBI's radar.

2009 Fort Hood shooting - Wikipedia

Do you believe that Soldiers are allowed to carry weapons everywhere?

They aren't.

 

[pknopp]

Law enforcement keeps failing, yes. Especially the FBI. Seems like every shooter the past decade or so was on the FBI's radar.

Do you believe that Soldiers are allowed to carry weapons everywhere?

They aren't.

Yeah, there was no one armed at a military base..................................

 

[daveman]

Yeah, there was no one armed at a military base..................................

You're not paying attention. Only MPs (or other branches' equivalents) are armed on base. No one else may carry a firearm, whether government- or privately-owned. You go to the range to qualify? You use a range weapon, that's stored at the range or transported by the Combat Arms folks from the base armory to the range. If you're doing anything else, you do not carry a weapon.

A good guy without a gun cannot stop a bad guy with a gun.

I bet you thought you made a devastating point, too.

 

[pknopp]

You're not paying attention. Only MPs (or other branches' equivalents) are armed on base. No one else may carry a firearm, whether government- or privately-owned. You go to the range to qualify? You use a range weapon, that's stored at the range or transported by the Combat Arms folks from the base armory to the range. If you're doing anything else, you do not carry a weapon.

A good guy without a gun cannot stop a bad guy with a gun.

I bet you thought you made a devastating point, too.

If someone will shoot up a military base, they will shoot up anything.

 

[daveman]

If someone will shoot up a military base, they will shoot up anything.

There were no armed Soldiers in the facility at Fort Hood. The shooter knew that.

You really have no case here. An armed presence stops shootings before they start.

 

[pknopp]

There were no armed Soldiers in the facility at Fort Hood. The shooter knew that.

You really have no case here. An armed presence stops shootings before they start.

Milwaukee man pleads guilty to shooting inside police station

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[daveman]

Milwaukee man pleads guilty to shooting inside police station

There are many similar articles if you need them.

Shooter was mentally ill. You can find examples of anything. Most mass shootings are where everybody but the shooter is unarmed.

And you want to make sure everyone remains disarmed.

How many shootings have been stopped by unarmed people? Any examples of that?

 

[pknopp]

Shooter was mentally ill. You can find examples of anything. Most mass shootings are where everybody but the shooter is unarmed.

And you want to make sure everyone remains disarmed.

Blah, blah, blah. I've already addressed that. It's not going to stop your ignorance obviously though.

How many shootings have been stopped by unarmed people? Any examples of that?

I never argued that. I've shown where armed people didn't stop shootings and want we need to do is address things before there is a shooting.