Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...

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the radiosonde data (balloon data) tracks the surface temps closely

which is why it is high in the air, not ON THE SURFACE -= LOL!!!

the balloon data shows the warming

No, from that same link, the satellites and balloons both showed NO WARMING before your side FUDGED BOTH...

 

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An ice age is a long period of reduction in the temperature of Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in the presence or expansion of continental and polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Earth's climate alternates between ice ages and greenhouse periods, during which there are no glaciers on the planet. Earth is currently in the ice age called Quaternary glaciation.[1] Individual pulses of cold climate within an ice age are termed glacial periods (or, alternatively, glacials, glaciations, glacial stages, stadials, stades, or colloquially, ice ages), and intermittent warm periods within an ice age are called interglacials or interstadials.[2]

In glaciology, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres.[3] By this definition, Earth is in an interglacial period—the Holocene. The amount of anthropogenic greenhouse gases emitted into Earth's oceans and atmosphere is predicted to delay the next glacial period by between 100,000 and 500,000 years, which otherwise would begin in around 50,000 years.[4][5][6]

Ice age - Wikipedia

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An ice age is a long period of reduction in the temperature of Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in the presence or expansion of continental and polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Earth's climate alternates between ice ages and greenhouse periods, during which there are no glaciers on the planet. Earth is currently in the ice age called Quaternary glaciation.[1] Individual pulses of cold climate within an ice age are termed glacial periods (or, alternatively, glacials, glaciations, glacial stages, stadials, stades, or colloquially, ice ages), and intermittent warm periods within an ice age are called interglacials or interstadials.[2]

In glaciology, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres.[3] By this definition, Earth is in an interglacial period—the Holocene. The amount of anthropogenic greenhouse gases emitted into Earth's oceans and atmosphere is predicted to delay the next glacial period by between 100,000 and 500,000 years, which otherwise would begin in around 50,000 years.[4][5][6]

Ice age - Wikipedia

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Greenland FROZE while NORTH AMERICA THAWED, outing this definition of "ice age" as complete BULLSHIT

 

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Evidence​

There are three main types of evidence for ice ages: geological, chemical, and paleontological.

Geological evidence for ice ages comes in various forms, including rock scouring and scratching, glacial moraines, drumlins, valley cutting, and the deposition of till or tillites and glacial erratics. Successive glaciations tend to distort and erase the geological evidence for earlier glaciations, making it difficult to interpret. Furthermore, this evidence was difficult to date exactly; early theories assumed that the glacials were short compared to the long interglacials. The advent of sediment and ice cores revealed the true situation: glacials are long, interglacials short. It took some time for the current theory to be worked out.

The chemical evidence mainly consists of variations in the ratios of isotopes in fossils present in sediments and sedimentary rocks and ocean sediment cores. For the most recent glacial periods, ice cores provide climate proxies, both from the ice itself and from atmospheric samples provided by included bubbles of air. Because water containing lighter isotopes has a lower heat of evaporation, its proportion decreases with warmer conditions.[36] This allows a temperature record to be constructed. This evidence can be confounded, however, by other factors recorded by isotope ratios.

The paleontological evidence consists of changes in the geographical distribution of fossils. During a glacial period, cold-adapted organisms spread into lower latitudes, and organisms that prefer warmer conditions become extinct or retreat into lower latitudes. This evidence is also difficult to interpret because it requires (1) sequences of sediments covering a long period of time, over a wide range of latitudes and which are easily correlated; (2) ancient organisms which survive for several million years without change and whose temperature preferences are easily diagnosed; and (3) the finding of the relevant fossils.

Despite the difficulties, analysis of ice core and ocean sediment cores[37] has provided a credible record of glacials and interglacials over the past few million years. These also confirm the linkage between ice ages and continental crust phenomena such as glacial moraines, drumlins, and glacial erratics. Hence the continental crust phenomena are accepted as good evidence of earlier ice ages when they are found in layers created much earlier than the time range for which ice cores and ocean sediment cores are available.

Ice age - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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Ding is only capable of cutting and pasting McBullshit.

McBullshit argues that the fault in the center bottom of the Atlantic "stopped" where the geographic record clearly shows otherwise. Pangea existed. South America was attached to Antarctica, and both were attached to Africa 125+ years ago.

Because the truth of tectonic plate movement proves Co2 and the atmosphere are not the cause of Earth climate change, the Co2 Fraud has spent billions since 2010 re-writing tectonic history. Their fraud cannot stand the truth that


GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED


best documented fully in the OP here...

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

www.usmessageboard.com

and so with ding and other sub 10 IQ science invalid parrots of the Co2 FRAUD's McBULLSHIT, we never get any of that truth refuted, but we do get color fudge charts, "videos" of ficticious tectonic movement blown away by any serious analysis, 10 minutes worth, and claims that Antarctica has gone from ice age to tropical paradise and back over and over while staying on the South Pole for 90 million years.

 

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Major ice ages​

For a chronological guide, see Timeline of glaciation.

Timeline of glaciations, shown in blue.

There have been at least five major ice ages in Earth's history (the Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, late Paleozoic, and the latest Quaternary Ice Age). Outside these ages, Earth seems to have been ice-free even in high latitudes;[38][39] such periods are known as greenhouse periods.[40]

 

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Major ice ages​

For a chronological guide, see Timeline of glaciation.

Timeline of glaciations, shown in blue.

There have been at least five major ice ages in Earth's history (the Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, late Paleozoic, and the latest Quaternary Ice Age). Outside these ages, Earth seems to have been ice-free even in high latitudes;[38][39] such periods are known as greenhouse periods.[40]

Once again, there is NO EVIDENCE of this. It is contrary to all data on ice age glacier today. It is cut and paste fudge and fraud that conflicts with all basic understanding of plate tectonics and ice age glacier.

By posting this over and over, ding is endorsing the concept that...


The fault in the center bottom of the Atlantic stopped south of South America for the past 100 million years... despite the fact that it didn't.

That 2.5 mile thick glaciers on Chicago recently, the ones that dug out the Great Lakes, originated in Northern Canada (true) and took just 75k years to get to 2.5 miles thick on Chicago (laughable, the real answer is at least 30 million years)

That the indisputable truth that Greenland froze while North America thawed did not happen because the Co2 FRAUD cannot survive the public understanding of that truth, because it proves Co2 does NOTHING... just as the highly correlated satellite and balloon data does.


So keep cutting and pasting McBullshit, ding. You have the IQ necessary to cut and paste, but what you are pasting has been completely destroyed here for months, and you cannot refute any of the refutation...

 

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The Quaternary Glaciation / Quaternary Ice Age started about 2.58 million years ago at the beginning of the Quaternary Period when the spread of ice sheets in the Northern Hemisphere began. Since then, the world has seen cycles of glaciation with ice sheets advancing and retreating on 40,000- and 100,000-year time scales called glacial periods, glacials or glacial advances, and interglacial periods, interglacials or glacial retreats. Earth is currently in an interglacial, and the last glacial period ended about 11,700 years ago. All that remains of the continental ice sheets are the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets and smaller glaciers such as on Baffin Island.

Ice age - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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Once again, there is NO EVIDENCE of this.

Evidence​

There are three main types of evidence for ice ages: geological, chemical, and paleontological.

Geological evidence for ice ages comes in various forms, including rock scouring and scratching, glacial moraines, drumlins, valley cutting, and the deposition of till or tillites and glacial erratics. Successive glaciations tend to distort and erase the geological evidence for earlier glaciations, making it difficult to interpret. Furthermore, this evidence was difficult to date exactly; early theories assumed that the glacials were short compared to the long interglacials. The advent of sediment and ice cores revealed the true situation: glacials are long, interglacials short. It took some time for the current theory to be worked out.

The chemical evidence mainly consists of variations in the ratios of isotopes in fossils present in sediments and sedimentary rocks and ocean sediment cores. For the most recent glacial periods, ice cores provide climate proxies, both from the ice itself and from atmospheric samples provided by included bubbles of air. Because water containing lighter isotopes has a lower heat of evaporation, its proportion decreases with warmer conditions.[36] This allows a temperature record to be constructed. This evidence can be confounded, however, by other factors recorded by isotope ratios.

The paleontological evidence consists of changes in the geographical distribution of fossils. During a glacial period, cold-adapted organisms spread into lower latitudes, and organisms that prefer warmer conditions become extinct or retreat into lower latitudes. This evidence is also difficult to interpret because it requires (1) sequences of sediments covering a long period of time, over a wide range of latitudes and which are easily correlated; (2) ancient organisms which survive for several million years without change and whose temperature preferences are easily diagnosed; and (3) the finding of the relevant fossils.

Despite the difficulties, analysis of ice core and ocean sediment cores[37] has provided a credible record of glacials and interglacials over the past few million years. These also confirm the linkage between ice ages and continental crust phenomena such as glacial moraines, drumlins, and glacial erratics. Hence the continental crust phenomena are accepted as good evidence of earlier ice ages when they are found in layers created much earlier than the time range for which ice cores and ocean sediment cores are available.

Ice age - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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Geological evidence for ice ages comes in various forms, including rock scouring and scratching, glacial moraines, drumlins, valley cutting, and the deposition of till or tillites and glacial erratics. Successive glaciations tend to distort and erase the geological evidence for earlier glaciations, making it difficult to interpret. Furthermore, this evidence was difficult to date exactly; early theories assumed that the glacials were short compared to the long interglacials. The advent of sediment and ice cores revealed the true situation: glacials are long, interglacials short. It took some time for the current theory to be worked out.

Translation - 2.5 mile thick glacier on Chicago 1-30 million years ago produced scratching on bedrock, which is how its thickness was estimated. In order to come up with a Dennis Quaid version of ice age, the Co2 FRAUD now claims there are "other" scratches in the rock that suggest ice ages happened really fast, like Dennis Quaid suggests. In fact, they are glacial... and the really deep scratches were all one way, north to south, which is the direction of the ice age glacier, which started in Northern Canada when North America got to within 600 miles of the North Pole 30-50 million years ago and hence entered the "ice age zone" which Greenland just recently did. NA has been moving SW for the past 20-40 million years and recently moved out of the 600 miles to the Pole zone, which is why it melted at the same time Greenland froze. The Co2 fraud cannot allow that truth to stand, but their case is laughable Dennis Quaid bullshit...

The chemical evidence mainly consists of variations in the ratios of isotopes in fossils present in sediments and sedimentary rocks and ocean sediment cores. For the most recent glacial periods, ice cores provide climate proxies, both from the ice itself and from atmospheric samples provided by included bubbles of air.

So happy we can discuss this one. The ICE CORES prove that the McBullshit claim the 2.5 mile thick ice on Chicago originated in northern Canada (true) were only 75k years old (laughable) is absolutely pathetic.

The only place we have 2.5 mile thick ice age glacier today is on Antarctica, and the ICE CORES show the McBullshit AGE issue is laughable...


Are those 75k years old??

Um, no.... not close...


From Google....

Why do ice cores only go back 800,000 years?




But because heat from the bedrock below can melt the deepest, oldest ice, the approach has not yielded ice any older than 800,000 years, from a core drilled at Antarctica's Dome C in 2004.Aug 15, 2017





So what that says is that we extracted 800k years of ice core data from Antarctica, and that is not close to all of the "age" in the 2.5 mile thick glacier from which the cores were extracted....



The McBullshit claim of 75k years old is of the same level as squirting bleach into coral and claiming ocean warming...

 

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The definition of the Quaternary as beginning 2.58 Ma is based on the formation of the Arctic ice cap. The Antarctic ice sheet began to form earlier, at about 34 Ma, in the mid-Cenozoic (Eocene-Oligocene Boundary). The term Late Cenozoic Ice Age is used to include this early phase.[44]

Ice age - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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Translation - 2.5 mile thick glacier on Chicago 1-30 million years ago produced scratching on bedrock, which is how its thickness was estimated. In order to come up with a Dennis Quaid version of ice age, the Co2 FRAUD now claims there are "other" scratches in the rock that suggest ice ages happened really fast, like Dennis Quaid suggests. In fact, they are glacial... and the really deep scratches were all one way, north to south, which is the direction of the ice age glacier, which started in Northern Canada when North America got to within 600 miles of the North Pole 30-50 million years ago and hence entered the "ice age zone" which Greenland just recently did. NA has been moving SW for the past 20-40 million years and recently moved out of the 600 miles to the Pole zone, which is why it melted at the same time Greenland froze. The Co2 fraud cannot allow that truth to stand, but their case is laughable Dennis Quaid bullshit...








So happy we can discuss this one. The ICE CORES prove that the McBullshit claim the 2.5 mile thick ice on Chicago originated in northern Canada (true) were only 75k years old (laughable) is absolutely pathetic.

The only place we have 2.5 mile thick ice age glacier today is on Antarctica, and the ICE CORES show the McBullshit AGE issue is laughable...


Are those 75k years old??

Um, no.... not close...


From Google....

Why do ice cores only go back 800,000 years?




But because heat from the bedrock below can melt the deepest, oldest ice, the approach has not yielded ice any older than 800,000 years, from a core drilled at Antarctica's Dome C in 2004.Aug 15, 2017





So what that says is that we extracted 800k years of ice core data from Antarctica, and that is not close to all of the "age" in the 2.5 mile thick glacier from which the cores were extracted....



The McBullshit claim of 75k years old is of the same level as squirting bleach into coral and claiming ocean warming...

How do we know about past ice ages?​

Scientists have reconstructed past ice ages by piecing together information derived from studying ice cores, deep sea sediments, fossils, and landforms.

Ice and sediment cores reveal an impressive detailed history of global climate. Cores are collected by driving long hollow tubes as much as 2 miles deep into glacial ice or ocean floor sediments. Ice cores provide annual and even seasonal climate records for up to hundreds of thousands of years, complementing the millions of years of climate records in ocean sediment cores.

Within just the past couple of decades, ice cores recovered from Earth’s two existing ice sheets, Greenland and Antarctica, have revealed the most detailed climate records yet.

Glad You Asked: Ice Ages – What are they and what causes them? - Utah Geological Survey

An ice age is a long interval of time (millions to tens of millions of years) when global temperatures are relatively cold and large areas of the Earth are covered by continental ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within an ice age are multiple shorter-term periods of warmer temperatures when...

geology.utah.gov

 

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The definition of the Quaternary as beginning 2.58 Ma is based on the formation of the Arctic ice cap. The Antarctic ice sheet began to form earlier, at about 34 Ma, in the mid-Cenozoic (Eocene-Oligocene Boundary). The term Late Cenozoic Ice Age is used to include this early phase.[44]

Ice age - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

cut paste parrot

Where did the fault at the center bottom of the Atlantic "stop" and hence moved SA but not AA??

This map destroys McBullshit. McBullshit is arguing the fault that bends around the southern tip of Africa doesn't exist, and it does...

The map shows where AA and SA broke apart and how rewinding the fault puts both on Africa. At the same time, rewinding the northern part shows Greenland has been moving NW (why it just went into continent specific ice age) while Europe has been moving SE (why all of Europe's glaciers are melting). If you can understand this is a "flat map" of a sphere, you can further deduct how the top of North america was where Greenland is 30-50 million years ago, destroying McBullshit again.


Where is the ice on Earth?

90% on Antarctica
7% on Greenland

land moves
when it gets to 600 miles of a pole the continent goes into ice age - Greenland
when it moves out of 600 miles of a pole it exits ice age - North America

 

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The general term "ice age" or, more precisely, "glacial age" denotes a geological period of long-term reduction in the temperature of the Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in an expansion of continental ice sheets, polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within a long-term ice age, individual pulses of extra cold climate are termed "glaciations." Glaciologically, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres;[1] by this definition we are still in an ice age (because the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets still exist).[2]

Ice age - New World Encyclopedia

www.newworldencyclopedia.org

 

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One of us is debating, answering questions, refuting, and the other is just cut paste and parrot the same discredited BS over and over...

 

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One is providing reasonable and accurate sources, the other is pulling McBullshit out of their arse, sans accurate documentation.

 

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One is providing

aka parroting....


So where was Antarctica 90 million years ago?

Why is McBullshit off by at least a factor of 10 on all measures we have today of ice age glacier?

When did the fault in the Atlantic stop moving south of South Africa?


LOL!!!



"reasonable" - can be parroted online.


McBullshit has been refuted completely, and these two science invalids cannot refute the refutation, and are really pissed off to find out what their moronic beak birdbrains have been parroting for the last decade is 100% pure

McBULLSHIT

 

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The definition of the Quaternary as beginning 2.58 Ma is based on the formation of the Arctic ice cap. The Antarctic ice sheet began to form earlier, at about 34 Ma, in the mid-Cenozoic (Eocene-Oligocene Boundary). The term Late Cenozoic Ice Age is used to include this early phase.[44]

Ice age - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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The definition of the Quaternary as beginning 2.58 Ma is based on the formation of the Arctic ice cap. The Antarctic ice sheet began to form earlier, at about 34 Ma, in the mid-Cenozoic (Eocene-Oligocene Boundary). The term Late Cenozoic Ice Age is used to include this early phase.[44]

Ice age - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can keep posting fudge and fraud. Nothing can stop you. What you are arguing, what McBullshit argues, is that the fault in the center bottom of the Atlantic didn't move all at once, but rather "turned off" to keep Antarctica on the South Pole. The level of IQ needed to see through McBullshit is about 10. All the ice age glacier claims are 10+ fold off. The claims of tectonic plate movement are blown away by the visual evidence of the fault under discussion. Faults do not "turn off" thousands of miles to fudge data. Faults move, not in pieces...

LOL!!!!

 

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The climate was one of periodic glaciations with continental glaciers moving as far from the poles as 40 degrees latitude. Glaciation took place repeatedly during the Quaternary Ice age – a term coined by Schimper in 1839 that began with the start of the Quaternary about 2.58 Mya and continues to the present day.

Quaternary - Wikipedia

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