Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...

[EMH]

It's not local. It's universal. Warmer temperatures lower air pressure. Colder temperature raise air pressure.

Unless of course you are on a planet that is predominantly CO2 and it gets so cold at times that the CO2 freezes and falls out of the atmosphere altogether. You know... like Mars.

LOL!!!

So you admit the ACTUAL DATA from Mars suggests

PLANETARY COOLING = LOWER SAP

the first honest portion of a post by you in years. CO2 goes from air to ice WHEN COOLED, NOT WARMED...


Hint, it also suggests

PLANETARY WARMING = HIGHER SAP


and so does the data from Pluto

And your northern hemisphere winter stunt blew up too, since Earth is warmest during northern hemisphere winter

Planetary Warming = Higher SAP


And Jurassic = warmer, wetter, much higher SAP



LOL!!!


too easy...

 

[ding]

LOL!!!

So you admit the ACTUAL DATA from Mars suggests

PLANETARY COOLING = LOWER SAP

the first honest portion of a post by you in years. CO2 goes from air to ice WHEN COOLED, NOT WARMED...


Hint, it also suggests

PLANETARY WARMING = HIGHER SAP


and so does the data from Pluto

And your northern hemisphere winter stunt blew up too, since Earth is warmest during northern hemisphere winter

Planetary Warming = Higher SAP


And Jurassic = warmer, wetter, much higher SAP



LOL!!!


too easy...

Only in your third grade mind.

Tell me more about that fake physics degree you have.

 

[Samofvt]

Look at the above image. Imagine that the little circles in the beakers are air molecules. The image on the left shows the beaker of molecules when the air is cool. However, the image on the right shows the same beaker when it is warmed. As you can see, some of the molecules leave the beaker when heat is applied. The same situation occurs when the atmosphere is heated: some of the air molecules "leave" or float away, thus causing decreased air pressure.

NDBC - Science Education - Does air pressure vary with respect to air temperature? - Answer

National Data Buoy Center - Science Education - Does air pressure vary with respect to air temperature? - Answer

www.ndbc.noaa.gov

Hmmm, so you are refuting the observations based on a hypothetical situation too small to take factors like gravity, boyle's law, and dalton's law into account? Oooookaaaay.

 

[EMH]

Hmmm, so you are refuting the observations based on a hypothetical situation too small to take factors like gravity, boyle's law, and dalton's law into account? Oooookaaaay.

They'll try anything they can to keep CO2 FRAUD ongoing, dung and Toddster, both CO2 FRAUD "faux skeptics" who want dumb Americans to continue to believe in CO2 FRAUD and to accept clearly fudged data as real...

 

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Hmmm, so you are refuting the observations based on a hypothetical situation too small to take factors like gravity, boyle's law, and dalton's law into account? Oooookaaaay.

No. I am accepting measurements from tidal gauges and satellites.

Are you under the illusion the atmosphere is a fixed volume?

 

[EMH]

No. I am accepting measurements from tidal gauges and satellites.

Are you under the illusion the atmosphere is a fixed volume?

No, you accept FUDGED FRAUD and reject ACTUAL DATA because THAT IS YOUR JOB.

 

[ding]

No, you accept FUDGED FRAUD and reject ACTUAL DATA because THAT IS YOUR JOB.

No. I accept the geologic record that shows when the northern hemisphere deglaciates the oceans and the atmosphere warm and the ocean rises.

 

[EMH]

The "job" of the CO2 FRAUD taxpayer funded "faux skeptic" is to keep morons accepting FUDGED FRAUD as "data" and "evidence."


Funny, since those aren't even "temperature" readings, but rather Oxygen isotope ratios from one hole in Antarctica...

 

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The "job" of the CO2 FRAUD taxpayer funded "faux skeptic" is to keep morons accepting FUDGED FRAUD as "data" and "evidence."


Funny, since those aren't even "temperature" readings, but rather Oxygen isotope ratios from one hole in Antarctica...

The only fudge and fraud is your dismissal of the geologic record which shows when the northern hemisphere deglaciates the oceans and the atmosphere warm.

 

[EMH]

^^^

and you, the American taxpayer, pay this unimaginably stupid moron to "practice climate science."

 

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^^^

and you, the American taxpayer, pay this unimaginably stupid moron to "practice climate science."

No one pays me. I'm independently wealthy. I pay the orderly at your old folks home to give you extra exlax.

 

[Samofvt]

No. I accept the geologic record that shows when the northern hemisphere deglaciates the oceans and the atmosphere warm and the ocean rises.

Wow. I can understand why you might be confused about the facts surrounding climate change if you had that information and didn't question it.

There are some serious problems with that graphic. For one thing, the actual graphic from the paper cited as the source ("Adapted from Hansen & Sato") does not look anything like the one shown. Here is the original graph Englander cites as the source:

For another thing, there are serious problems with the graph's data and callout information. EMH hinted at one of the problems (comparing direct measurement of CO2 with measurements from proxy data). I would go a step further and conclude that the data is entirely fictional: it does not compare with any accepted measurements I have seen in peer-reviewed literature.

Here, are some comments:

Here is a graphic showing the Glacial and Interglacial Periods which were estimated based on proxy data. Notice the Time Scale:

 

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Wow. I can understand why you might be confused about the facts surrounding climate change if you had that information and didn't question it.

There are some serious problems with that graphic. For one thing, the actual graphic from the paper cited as the source ("Adapted from Hansen & Sato") does not look anything like the one shown. Here is the original graph Englander cites as the source:

That plot came from Englander's website

 

[EMH]

@EMH hinted at one of the problems (comparing direct measurement of CO2 with measurements from proxy data). I would go a step further and conclude that the data is entirely fictional: it does not compare with any accepted measurements I have seen in peer-reviewed literature.

You conclude correctly.

In fact, Earth is not even warming at all, just on the surface of growing urban areas, but the planet is actually gaining ice and cooling, and that's what SAP proves.

 

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You conclude correctly.

In fact, Earth is not even warming at all, just on the surface of growing urban areas, but the planet is actually gaining ice and cooling, and that's what SAP proves.

Have you compared your fake physics degree to JC's fake engineering degree?

 

[ding]

The previous ice ages have no bearing on today's ice age which began about 3 to 5 million years ago.

This is a pretty useless graph for discussing today's climate.

These are the relevant graphs for discussing the planet's current climate.

 

[EMH]

^^^^^

To believe that bullshit you must believe water causes ice, but if your IQ is over 5 you know water is TOO WARM to cause ice, and you see dung's bullshit for what it truly is...

 

[Samofvt]

^^^^^

To believe that bullshit you must believe water causes ice, but if your IQ is over 5 you know water is TOO WARM to cause ice, and you see dung's bullshit for what it truly is...

wait one... some of those charts look rlea. vnt. unconfirmed. but interestant.

they all show that there is no cause for concern, but rather, there is cause to rejoice in the splendid profusion of life which will confront us.

if we adapt, so be it. if we do not, it is the folly of mankind.

 

[Samofvt]

The previous ice ages have no bearing on today's ice age which began about 3 to 5 million years ago.

This is a pretty useless graph for discussing today's climate.

These are the relevant graphs for discussing the planet's current climate.

looks copestetic to me, donkey. what say we enjoy what we have in front of us? an opportunity?

you know, i am connected with ppl living very close to the equator. they are experiencing no new environmental problems. the only prolems they see are political. go figure. but lets live today, make plans to deal with what we know, and admit we don't know what we don't know.

god bless.

 

[EMH]

wait one... some of those charts look rlea. vnt. unconfirmed. but interestant.

they all show that there is no cause for concern, but rather, there is cause to rejoice in the splendid profusion of life which will confront us.

if we adapt, so be it. if we do not, it is the folly of mankind.

If CO2 FRAUD funded them, they are fudged fraud.