Anyone remember "sin of Sodom and Gomorrah"?

[bodecea]

Actually no it's not...….Noah was drunk when his sons tried to cover his nakedness......it was the sons that were chastised for their actions, not Noah

Read an interesting article once on this. It started with Noah exhibiting all the signs of survivor's guilt. He began drinking. One son tried to cover up Noah's addiction. The other son may have been desperate for outside aid to help his father. (Compare this to today where one family member may be addicted to opioids. What is the best thing to do? Reveal the problem and ask for outside help? Or keep it in the family and try to resolve it there.)

So the flood was real? Then how did god get kangaroos, koalas and all the snakes from Australia to his boat?

Actually there is even scientific evidence of the flood happening and has been reported in many platforms......but here is just one for ya

New Evidence Suggests Biblical Great Flood Happened


Ever you ever been curious as to why there are pockets of salt water in the midst of land......such as Sat Lake City? The Dead Sea? & a few others????

No need to be curious about pockets of salt water in the midst of land. We know why that is....those lakes (and the Dead Sea is a lake just like the Great Salt Lake and the Salton Sea) have no outlet to flush the minerals. When it rains, the water comes in carrying ground minerals such as salt to the lakes, but the only way that water leaves is thru evaporation, leaving the salts behind, and the lakes become more and more saline over time.

 

[bodecea]

Drunkenness is a sin also

Actually no it's not...….Noah was drunk when his sons tried to cover his nakedness......it was the sons that were chastised for their actions, not Noah

Interesting point.

Makes me think that the bible is teaching that people trying to cover up trumps nakedness are more guilty of sin than trump is for exposing himself as an idiot..

Trump might be an idiot, but at least he's been a productive idiot. The previous idiot was an abortion.

The previous idiot had intelligence, humility, respect for others and from others. In other words class.

This one is infantile, a pompous, narcissistic, and disrespectful racist petty tyrant who is trying to give away the keys to the kingdom for a pat on the back from the enemy.

Its rather astonishing that someone so blatantly vile stupid and disgusting could even be a narcissist.

don't you agree?


What would you call those who are trying to cover up the obvious and convince everyone that he really is an amazing idiot who is doing really great things for everybody else?



Coward comes to mind, demonically possessed might be another. Maybe even enemy of the state...

either that or you have been struck with blindness and schnookered by a well heeled low class city slicker conman under the control of a hostile foreign power who has usurped a position of authority by deceiving the numbskulls who thinks he gives a shit about them with specious promises of a fascist utopia.

The Obama economy was an abortion and that's reason number one that Hillary lost. Trump might be an uncouth jerk, but his economic results speak for themselves.

How was the Obama economy an abortion?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Here is what scriptural scholars say about Sodom and Gomorrah, from Sacred Texts Archive, LGBT section, and if you have a problem with it being under the LGBT section, talk to the website. They have all views of the various religions of the world on homosexuality. This is what they had to say about Sodom and Gomorrah......................

LGBT Texts

The Sin of Sodom

Then there is the story of the destruction of the city of Sodom, (Genesis 18:16-19:29). Sodom has given its name to the now somewhat quaint-sounding term 'Sodomy', which originally meant a specific male homosexual sex act. Eventually it was expanded to mean any form of sexual expression which happened to be illegal, including things that married heterosexual couples do every day.


However, a close reading reveals the name to be a bit of a misnomer. To start off, Sodom is described simply as a 'wicked' place. Lot, Abraham's nephew, goes to live there to see if even one righteous person can be found there. The sexual theme starts when two disguised angels visit Lot. A mob, described as consisting of the men of the city, 'both young and old', attacks Lot's house and demands that Lot allow them to 'know' (in the language of the KJV) the two men. To 'know' is, of course, the famous KJV circumlocution for having sexual intercourse.


The next passage bears closer examination. Lot (Gen 19:8) asks the mob to 'do' his two virgin daughters instead, but not the two guests, 'for ... they came under the shadow of my roof.' The rest of the story is well-known: divine wrath ensues, the mob is blinded, the cities of the plain are destroyed by fire and brimstone while Lot and his family flee, Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt because she looks back, and only Lot and his daughters escape. In an often ignored coda to this story, Lot's daughters have incest with him by getting him intoxicated, (Gen 19:31), presumably to repopulate the country; a similar motif is found in the story of Noah. As in other Biblical narratives, even the heroes end up committing horrendous sins, driven by circumstances. But many ignore the entire context of the story in the rush to justify their own bigotry.


The sin of the city of Sodom was the originally considered to be the violation of the rights of Lot's guests. Defining the 'sin of Sodom' to be male homosexuality was a later interpretation, which was made by medieval Jewish and Christian writers, as a reaction to Pagan acceptance of homosexuality. Near Eastern hospitality, to this day, implies a responsibility to protect guests under one's roof. The fact that Lot was ready to make a huge sacrifice by offering up his virgin daughters to the mob instead of his guests underlines this.


There is abundant Haggadah, ancient Jewish folklore, which tells of the cruelty of Sodom to strangers, and their mistreatment of the poor and homeless. Among other stories, travelers are given gold but not food; when they starve to death, everything is stolen including the gold and the clothes off their backs, and their bodies are left to rot. One of Lot's unfortunate daughters is burned to death for the crime of giving a starving man food. Another woman who assists a poor man is smeared with honey and left to be stung to death by bees. Some of these stories are suffused with dark comedic twists. A poor man is assaulted and robbed. Eliezar, a servant of Abraham, is hit on the head when he intervenes. A judge rules that he must pay his assailant for medical treatment! (Bleeding was considered a surgical procedure). Eliezar then hits the judge on the head, drawing blood, and tells the judge to pay his fine. See Ginzburg's Legends of the Jews and Polano's The Talmud: Selections, for many more stories along the same lines. After reading these, I guarantee you'll be rooting for the Lord to rain down the brimstone on the cities of the plain...


There are also numerous Biblical passages warning about mistreating strangers, (with the story of Lot being implied), for instance this one in the NT: "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares." [Heb. 13:2]


Between the original concept of a violation of the law of hospitality and the medieval focus on a particular sexual act, there is an intermediate stage where Sodom was criticized for other reasons entirely. Where Sodom is mentioned in later books of the Tanach and in the New Testament, it is used as an example of a city which was corrupted by luxury, lacking in values such as charity and humility. Nowhere is this made clearer than in Ezekiel 16:48-50, where Ezekiel, speaking for 'the Lord God', enumerates the sins of Sodom: "Saith the Lord GOD...Behold, this was the iniquity of ... Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness ... neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good".


Note that in this context 'abomination' means human sacrifice and idol worship, not shared tax breaks for long-term same-sex couples, or sexual practices you can see on cable after 10 o'clock. Furthermore, 'abomination' is at the end of the laundry list. The primary sin of Sodom, by this account, was that their society was materialistic, greedy and uncharitable. Social and economic justice is a thread that runs through the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament alike, and it is not difficult to extrapolate this to modern struggles for equality, such as those of LGBT people. When governmental and religious institutions and their leaders perpetuate oppression, it would not be farfetched to say that they are committing the actual sin of Sodom.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

<ahem>

perhaps you can 'splain why later in the story that lot had sex with his daughters & still justify that whole
S & G thingy as a biblical god sanctioned no no?

His Daughters, fearful they would never have children, chose to use the only man they believed left in the world, their Father.

I'll have loved to see the look on their faces when they found out the world was still there.

"Hell Hath No Fury Like a Woman Scorned"

It must have been like the look on teen skank Chrissie Ford's face when she woke up from her drunken stupor and realized that no guys had taken her up on her offer.

 

[bodecea]

<ahem>

perhaps you can 'splain why later in the story that lot had sex with his daughters & still justify that whole
S & G thingy as a biblical god sanctioned no no?

His Daughters, fearful they would never have children, chose to use the only man they believed left in the world, their Father.

I'll have loved to see the look on their faces when they found out the world was still there.

"Hell Hath No Fury Like a Woman Scorned"

It must have been like the look on teen skank Chrissie Ford's face when she woke up from her drunken stupor and realized that no guys had taken her up on her offer.

Fascinating.....it's puzzling how more women aren't flocking to the GOP.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Judgement was alrdy predetermined before that event

Do you think that was a one-time instance--the only time something of that sort happened? I am not promoting the practice of homosexuality--or even approving it. Homosexuality misses the mark of ideal sexual practice, and it is because it misses this ideal that it is considered a sin. (Sin means missing the mark.) I am willing to bet that homosexuality was not the only sexual practice that missed the mark, that was less than ideal. It may have been one of the milder deviations. We don't know.

The lesson we don't even consider from Sodom and Gomorrah is that people were putting their own pleasures first--even at the expense of the stranger or foreigner, perhaps especially at their expense. Homosexuality was one of the byproducts of that sin--but certainly not the only one. Today, are we guilty of putting our personal pleasures first over caring for others?

From the Very Beginning, Prelates Trying to Sell Something Have Been Permissive

I don't understand the use of hamartia for "sin" by the Greek Fathers of the Church. If someone "misses the mark," at least he was aiming for the right place, which sinners don't do.

Aristotle used it in reference to Oedipus's downfall, which was brought about by conscientiously trying to find out what was causing the plague that was devastating his city. His wife/mother, Jocasta, in obedience to the divine prophecy, had abandoned the baby Oedipus trying to save her royal husband's life.

 

[fncceo]

Judgement was alrdy predetermined before that event

Do you think that was a one-time instance--the only time something of that sort happened? I am not promoting the practice of homosexuality--or even approving it. Homosexuality misses the mark of ideal sexual practice, and it is because it misses this ideal that it is considered a sin. (Sin means missing the mark.) I am willing to bet that homosexuality was not the only sexual practice that missed the mark, that was less than ideal. It may have been one of the milder deviations. We don't know.

The lesson we don't even consider from Sodom and Gomorrah is that people were putting their own pleasures first--even at the expense of the stranger or foreigner, perhaps especially at their expense. Homosexuality was one of the byproducts of that sin--but certainly not the only one. Today, are we guilty of putting our personal pleasures first over caring for others?

From the Very Beginning, Prelates Trying to Sell Something Have Been Permissive

I don't understand the use of hamartia for "sin" by the Greek Fathers of the Church. If someone "misses the mark," at least he was aiming for the right place, which sinners don't do.

Aristotle used it in reference to Oedipus's downfall, which was brought about by conscientiously trying to find out what was causing the plague that was devastating his city. His wife/mother, Jocasta, in obedience to the divine prophecy, had abandoned the baby Oedipus trying to save her royal husband's life.

I can't really blame Oedipus. Queen Jocasta was hot!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

so ya got nothing,,,,,,,,but conjecture unsupported by scripture

If you say so. Others may agree it is conjecture, but it is supported by scripture. Also, I am not the first to "conjecture" this, so others have also seen support in scripture.

No its not. Saying it is is a lie......

Homosexual acts are not guiltless. And to suggest that the Bible is not clear on this subject is to try to deny sin of any sort even exists.

Sins have victims. Who is the victim in an adult mutually desired gay sexual encounter?

And who in hell are you to put sex above love and deny people life long loving relationships because of your own sexual fears?

Regards
DL

Not Only Marriage, But Sex Itself Is Only Between a Male and a Female.

We condemn bestiality, not because we assign victimhood to a dumb animal soon to be butchered anyway, but because of what it says about the psychological sickness of its "lover," who therefore is likely to commit crimes against people next. Second, picking one's nose in public does no harm, but is as disgusting as Gayist behavior, which therefore makes it likely to have something in contrary to the human survival instinct. Most of all, history proves that homo-"sexuality" is a gateway to pedophilia. A molested generation loses the will to survive.

 

[fncceo]

We condemn bestiality,

What do you mean we?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Which again, kind of makes him an asshole. What kind of asshole offers his VIRGIN daughters up for gang rape? Or lies about them being virgins, because the same chapter also mentions their husbands. Or maybe there were additional daughters who didn't get out.

Then he got drunk out of his mind, and fucked them. TWICE.

Remember, kiddies, this is the "Good Man" God had to save. Can't save your mom from Cancer, but he'll make extensive efforts to save this piece of shit

You need to get a better sense of ancient Hebrew humor.

The older daughter conceived Moab lit., "from the father" , father of the Moabites: the younger conceived Ben-Ammi ("Son of my people"), father of the Ammonites.

The whole point of the story was to mock and deride their traditional enemies as the descendants of drunken incest.

"Native Europeans"

Just as the story of Oedipus, which is not a Greek name, was a slander against those who lived in Greece before the Indo-European Greeks arrived around 4,000 BC.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Sodom and Gomorrah greater sin was their lack of hospitality.

So hospitality is more important than getting your fudge packed?

In scripture, there is only a single biblical injunction against homosexuality, specifically male homosexuality.

In the same scripture, there are three separate prohibitions of the mixing dairy products with meat at the same meal.

So, on the face of it, going to Burger King is three times as wrong, scripturally speaking, as man-on-man sex.

There is more than one injunction against gay sex in the Bible.

But the sin of Sodom was even greater because these guys essentially would gang rape new comers to their city.

Pretty sick bunch.

When the angels were sent down, the inhabitants tried to rape them, thus proving that the city needed to be cleansed of not only the immoral actions of the people, but all the excrement left on the streets.

Sounds just like San Fransicko...may they burn in hell with those of Sodom and Gomorrah.

So why did god make immoral actions to start with?

No Struggle, No Virtue

For the same reason He allowed Lucifer and his demon angels to survive.

 

[Taz]

So hospitality is more important than getting your fudge packed?

In scripture, there is only a single biblical injunction against homosexuality, specifically male homosexuality.

In the same scripture, there are three separate prohibitions of the mixing dairy products with meat at the same meal.

So, on the face of it, going to Burger King is three times as wrong, scripturally speaking, as man-on-man sex.

There is more than one injunction against gay sex in the Bible.

But the sin of Sodom was even greater because these guys essentially would gang rape new comers to their city.

Pretty sick bunch.

When the angels were sent down, the inhabitants tried to rape them, thus proving that the city needed to be cleansed of not only the immoral actions of the people, but all the excrement left on the streets.

Sounds just like San Fransicko...may they burn in hell with those of Sodom and Gomorrah.

So why did god make immoral actions to start with?

No Struggle, No Virtue

For the same reason He allowed Lucifer and his demon angels to survive.

Why didn't god just make us with virtue if that's what it wanted?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Trump : "I moved on her actually. You know she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I'll admit it. I did try and **** her, she was married."​

Nobody said that Trump should be Pope. If you want the nicest person in America to be president, nominate Richard Simmons.

"Here We Go, Come On! Dance Your Pantsuits Off!"


He's probably the best candidate to represent the fairyphile doomats of the Dhimmicratic Party.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What do you mean we?

Members of the genus Salvia living close to down town?

 

[The Irish Ram]

If God doesn't punish America, he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology..~Mrs. Billy Graham

They were inhospitable, and pursued strange flesh. < angel flesh/male.
Sodom and Gomorrah were 2 of 5 cities to be destroyed. And this is how you know God is in control of the universe and it's properties. There is a clay tablet that was unearthed that shows the planets and the asteroid that caused the destruction in real time. The blast of heat killed the wicked where they stood. Thing is, asteroids do not discriminate. All 5 cities should have burnt to a crisp that day. One did not. Because Lot was spared in that city. How did that asteriod know not to light up Zoar?

When California kicked God out, restraint went with Him. Now they are relying on self. And Brown and Pelosi.
Good luck folks, but seek high ground. Floods are next.
One more plague and you'll be caught up with Egypt...

 

[ding]

In scripture, there is only a single biblical injunction against homosexuality, specifically male homosexuality.

In the same scripture, there are three separate prohibitions of the mixing dairy products with meat at the same meal.

So, on the face of it, going to Burger King is three times as wrong, scripturally speaking, as man-on-man sex.

There is more than one injunction against gay sex in the Bible.

But the sin of Sodom was even greater because these guys essentially would gang rape new comers to their city.

Pretty sick bunch.

When the angels were sent down, the inhabitants tried to rape them, thus proving that the city needed to be cleansed of not only the immoral actions of the people, but all the excrement left on the streets.

Sounds just like San Fransicko...may they burn in hell with those of Sodom and Gomorrah.

So why did god make immoral actions to start with?

No Struggle, No Virtue

For the same reason He allowed Lucifer and his demon angels to survive.

Why didn't god just make us with virtue if that's what it wanted?

Because it isn't virtuous if you are forced to be virtuous?

 

[JoeB131]

Shrug, look at the studies. They were trying to prove the mental health problems for some didn't have anything to do with religion of acceptance in society. They occurred even when no religion and total acceptance were present. And I absolutely understand why you hate us. Haters gotta hate. On the other hand, I'm not going to jump on the "cool kids" bandwagon without reading the facts. I stand where I've always stood. Make sure the people involved know and understand the realities--and then let them make their decision. Unlike you, I don't push one way or the other.

If they pulled tax exemption for the Homophobic churches, you'd be amazed how fast they'd all be cool with the gays.

Please, where is this magical place where people are free of religion and homophobia...

Sexual orientation isn't a "decision". When did you decide to be straight? I'm straight, and there was never that day I was thinking about it... I figured out my dick got hard and girls weren't icky about the same time... around puberty.

God does exist, just so you know. I've experience His reality.

Those are the voices in your head. We have medicines for that now.

Second, you see Bronze Age superstitions. Their perspective is not that far off. They appear to have known little about natural disasters, but that can be easily taken into consideration as one listens to what they say.

Okay, you see, I don't blame savages from the Bronze age from calling everything they didn't understand "God"... I have a huge problem with people in this time doing it...

eep in mind it is modern English, not the original language, that may be causing you to read and take everything in the Bible literally.

I've read the bible in everything from the King James Version to the modern Disneyfied versions... It doesn't get less fucked up.

 

[Faun]

If God doesn't punish America, he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology..~Mrs. Billy Graham

They were inhospitable, and pursued strange flesh. < angel flesh/male.
Sodom and Gomorrah were 2 of 5 cities to be destroyed. And this is how you know God is in control of the universe and it's properties. There is a clay tablet that was unearthed that shows the planets and the asteroid that caused the destruction in real time. The blast of heat killed the wicked where they stood. Thing is, asteroids do not discriminate. All 5 cities should have burnt to a crisp that day. One did not. Because Lot was spared in that city. How did that asteriod know not to light up Zoar?

When California kicked God out, restraint went with Him. Now they are relying on self. And Brown and Pelosi.
Good luck folks, but seek high ground. Floods are next.
One more plague and you'll be caught up with Egypt...

”Good luck folks, but seek high ground. Floods are next.”

^^^ an idiot calling G-d a liar.

Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood.​

... what is G-d’s punishment for calling Him a liar?

 

[Taz]

There is more than one injunction against gay sex in the Bible.

But the sin of Sodom was even greater because these guys essentially would gang rape new comers to their city.

Pretty sick bunch.

When the angels were sent down, the inhabitants tried to rape them, thus proving that the city needed to be cleansed of not only the immoral actions of the people, but all the excrement left on the streets.

Sounds just like San Fransicko...may they burn in hell with those of Sodom and Gomorrah.

So why did god make immoral actions to start with?

No Struggle, No Virtue

For the same reason He allowed Lucifer and his demon angels to survive.

Why didn't god just make us with virtue if that's what it wanted?

Because it isn't virtuous if you are forced to be virtuous?

God's forcing us to be virtuous under threat of punishment. Is that what you mean?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

If God doesn't punish America, he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology..~Mrs. Billy Graham

They were inhospitable, and pursued strange flesh. < angel flesh/male.
Sodom and Gomorrah were 2 of 5 cities to be destroyed. And this is how you know God is in control of the universe and it's properties. There is a clay tablet that was unearthed that shows the planets and the asteroid that caused the destruction in real time. The blast of heat killed the wicked where they stood. Thing is, asteroids do not discriminate. All 5 cities should have burnt to a crisp that day. One did not. Because Lot was spared in that city. How did that asteriod know not to light up Zoar?

When California kicked God out, restraint went with Him. Now they are relying on self. And Brown and Pelosi.
Good luck folks, but seek high ground. Floods are next.
One more plague and you'll be caught up with Egypt...

”Good luck folks, but seek high ground. Floods are next.”

^^^ an idiot calling G-d a liar.

Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood.​

... what is G-d’s punishment for calling Him a liar?

He didnt curse the ground, he cursed Hollywood weirdos, and their immoral actions...