Zone1 "Is it lawful on the Sabbath, to save life or to kill? [Rabbi Yeshua]

[Lisa558]

Again. This is th 21st century

What did the leaders say in year 33

You act like these were leaders of the Jewish people. There were probably 2 million Jews alive at that time, with thousands and thousands of leaders in communities all over, and a small band of Jews in Israel were angry about this one guy - and MAYBE they called for what you say.

And from that, far-right Christians refer to Jews as “evil snakes” and have villainized all Jews for 2,000 years - expelling them, persecuting them, murdering them.

Why don’t you just leave us alone to practice our religion? We aren’t bothering YOU.

 

[rosends]

Again. This is th 21st century

What did the leaders say in year 33

All you have is what some book claims. Since the claim is against 1st century Jewish law, why assume that the text is authoritative in ANY way? Just chuck it.

 

[Lisa558]

All you have is what some book claims. Since the claim is against 1st century Jewish law, why assume that the text is authoritative in ANY way? Just chuck it.

The gospels were written after Jesus died, and the last thing he would have wanted was to have a new religion pop up in his name - and one that is so hostile to Jews. He must be rolling over in his grave.

P.S. I’m sorry he suffered that awful death, but so too did many others. It’s how the Romans did things.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

And from that, far-right Christians refer to Jews as “evil snakes” and have villainized all Jews for 2,000 years - expelling them, persecuting them, murdering them

Just like you're trying to link ME to what other "Christians" say

I follow Christ, not a pope, not a Protestant, and not the JWs and not Joseph Smith. I defend Israel always, but still you try to link me to evil.

The FACTS are, rosends is wrong and perhaps LIED when he said I was wrong about why Jesus was murdered.

He was murdered because the Jewish leadership DEMANDED He be put to death for BLASPHEMY. ThAt is a simple FACT

I Don't blame the Jews for that, and He has forgiven them. It was NECESSARY that He die. Someday you will understand that

I know from past discussions on this topic this is a touchy topic for you. But on these topics I will never speak anything but the truth

 

[rosends]

The FACTS are, rosends is wrong and perhaps LIED when he said I was wrong about why Jesus was murdered.

why talk about me? Why not TO me?
I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm saying that the material you present is wrong according to the lawbooks of the time.

He was murdered because the Jewish leadership DEMANDED He be put to death for BLASPHEMY. ThAt is a simple FACT

No, that's the account included in the gospels. Being included in a text doesn't make something into a "fact." I look at the factual errors in the account and conclude that the account is in error.

 

[Lisa558]

Just like you're trying to link ME to what other "Christians" say

I follow Christ, not a pope, not a Protestant, and not the JWs and not Joseph Smith. I defend Israel always, but still you try to link me to evil.

The FACTS are, rosends is wrong and perhaps LIED when he said I was wrong about why Jesus was murdered.

He was murdered because the Jewish leadership DEMANDED He be put to death for BLASPHEMY. ThAt is a simple FACT

I Don't blame the Jews for that, and He has forgiven them. It was NECESSARY that He die. Someday you will understand that

I know from past discussions on this topic this is a touchy topic for you. But on these topics I will never speak anything but the truth

1) YOU were the one who referred to the Jews as “evil snakes” - and I pointed out that it has been attitudes like these that have gotten Jews persecuted, expelled, and murdered by millions.

2) When you say that you “will speak nothing but the truth,” that is the truth as YOU SEE IT. Your “truth” is no more true than my “truth.” Why can’t you just allow that different religions believe different things? Who knows which one is right?

 

[BreezeWood]

Did Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus back up the Machabees in their decision to fight back, even on the Sabbath, if Jews were attacked by Greco-Syrian armies on the Sabbath?

jesus is not a jew - they knew perfectly well the sabbath is the heavenly claim for their creation of life and garden earth as among their greatest accomplishments for living beings to keep holy as what was given them - for which all three desert religions are miserable failures.

jesus's example of working on judaisms phony claim, commandment is the example for discussion in regards for the sabbath and its true relevance for humanity.

 

[DennisPTate]

jesus is not a jew - they knew perfectly well the sabbath is the heavenly claim for their creation of life and garden earth as among their greatest accomplishments for living beings to keep holy as what was given them - for which all three desert religions are miserable failures.

jesus's example of working on judaisms phony claim, commandment is the example for discussion in regards for the sabbath and its true relevance for humanity.

I stopped reading after "jesus is not a jew"..... and I must reply to clarify........ only an astonishing mis-underformed reader and poster to English language, political forums could make such a totally mis-underinformed statement.

Even near death experiencers, especially since 1966, are being given evidence that could indicate strongly that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, [Messiah the Passover Lamb or Isa the Prophet to Muslims, Shalom be upon Him], was mentored and taught and educated by the Essene Jewish Community of the first century. Only an astonishing mis-underformed reader and poster who is fluent in English, would state that The First Century Essene Jewish commiunity were not Jewish! That would be nearly as ignorant as saying that "the Followers of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov are not Jewish, [in 2025]!"

[Sorry, but I love some of those words that President George W. Bush invented for all of us, [such as mis-underinformed!]

[1966 near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald Ph.D]:
"So, do not fear what people can do to your body, because you will have many more of those. Rather, avoid those who can kill the soul within you, those who would destroy love and the light of your soul. I tell you, you will have much more to learn then, and at the end of the Age, those who have not learned love will enter the Long Sleep, while those who have learned love, will inherit the New Earth which the Father prepares for them."

"In each life, you are affected by what happened in other lives, but you in turn can affect those lives. The Father has not put you in a prison, that you can change nothing. Rather, you can do anything when your inner eyes are opened and you see the Kingdom within."

"Now, even you who follow me see dimly as through a fog. So do not, in that condition, set up laws for others to follow. Rather, teach others to grow in spirit so that their eyes may be opened to the peace and love of the Father."

The Father wishes good for you, not evil. If then, you bring your fears and errors before the Father in meditation, He will help you to understand and be free. The Father does not condemn: you condemn yourself."

"If you judge, you will be judged. If you condemn, you are already condemned. If you do not love, how will you know love? If you are cruel, cruelty will come to you. What you are within yourself ----- that you will draw to yourself." (Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D., The Thomas Book, Near Death, A Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus.
page 117,118 )

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The Thomas Book Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus: MacDonald PH D, Bruce Fraser: 9781608608195: Books - Amazon.ca

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[Lisa558]

I stopped reading after "jesus is not a jew"..... and I must reply to clarify........ only an astonishing mis-underformed reader and poster to English language, political forums could make such a totally mis-underinformed statement.

Even near death experiencers, especially since 1966, are being given evidence that could indicate strongly that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, [Messiah the Passover Lamb or Isa the Prophet to Muslims, Shalom be upon Him], was mentored and taught and educated by the Essene Jewish Community of the first century. Only an astonishing mis-underformed reader and poster who is fluent in English, would state that The First Century Essene Jewish commiunity were not Jewish! That would be nearly as ignorant as saying that "the Followers of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov are not Jewish, [in 2025]!"

[Sorry, but I love some of those words that President George W. Bush invented for all of us, [such as mis-underinformed!]

FYI: the poster to whom you replied is one of the most awful antisemites on the forum. This is why he cannot face that Jesus was one of the Jews he so despises. Major cognitive dissonance.

 

[DennisPTate]

FYI: the poster to whom you replied is one of the most awful antisemites on the forum. This is why he cannot face that Jesus was one of the Jews he so despises. Major cognitive dissonance.

Thank you for letting me know that,
that makes sense out of his statement.

Even the Scribes and the Pharisees of the time of the writing of the Christian Scriptures never try to say that John the Baptist and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus are not Jewish. They do on the other hand assert that perhaps Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was doing miracles by the power of "Azazel Baalzebub."

 

[Lisa558]

Thank you for letting me know that,
that makes sense out of his statement.

Even the Scribes and the Pharisees of the time of the writing of the Christian Scriptures never try to say that John the Baptist and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus are not Jewish. They do on the other hand assert that perhaps Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was doing miracles by the power of "Azazel Baalzebub."

You’re new here. You’ll soon learn, sadly, that there are no shortage of Jew-haters here.

I never met anyone IRL who still denies Jesus was a Jew. He was, in fact, a great admirer of Hillel’s, whose Golden Rule he taught.

 

[DennisPTate]

You’re new here. You’ll soon learn, sadly, that there are no shortage of Jew-haters here.

I never met anyone IRL who still denies Jesus was a Jew. He was, in fact, a great admirer of Hillel’s, whose Golden Rule he taught.

You are absolutely correct, Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was clearly an admirer of various Jewish thinkers before his time.

I personally am a follower of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, but I have rather selfish reasons for doing so that are pretty obvious in my e-mail to Jerusalem Sanhedrin Rabbi Yeshayahu Julius Hollander back in 2010. The more that I think about it the more I am tempted to apply for my Israeli citizenship so that I would have dual citizenship, Canadian and Israeli.

By 1990 I personally became FURIOUS with Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus of Christian Bible fame, [I could not comprehend how somebody who was obviously so brilliant would settle for a plan of salvation that led to "Many Called but Few Chosen" and "A Broad Way Leading to Destruction and Many There be who go in thereat" and a scary afterlife environment where if I visualized chopping off my right hand with a Holloween fake hatchet, I would have to pause to gouge out my right eye first, due to how difficult it might be for me to gouge out my right eye, with my left hand]?


On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dennis Tate < ...... > wrote:

Shalom Rabbi Hollander: I've been participating on The Sanhedrin message board and I was urged to contact you directly. So far as I know I am probably the first minor Canadian politician who has advocated that my nation assist The Temple Mount Faithful Community, People For A Bill to Build The Bet HaMikdash and The Sanhedriin in your efforts to control the Temple Mount and rebuild your Jerusalem Third Temple. It is my firm belief that semi-reality and reality film series could play an important role in working out the fulfillment of every word spoken in the law and in the prophets. My dad, Robert Stewart Tate, passed away on January 1, 1990. His death came at the same time that I was being confronted with the implications of the near death experience accounts. I went through a theological crisis that I believe has relevance for your SanHedrin. "but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel." (Leviticus 16:10) I had no problem with the positive near death experiences but those negative ones put me into a philosophical crisis unlike I had ever experienced before. I saw this verse in Leviticus as a possible loophole and I asked that the guilt of Azazel would be put on my head. I prayed and asked The G-d of Abraham if he had any use for a volunteer "goat for Azazel?" If so, then I wanted to submit my application for the job. Several unusual things did occur since that time that I feel indicates that my offer may well have been accepted. I would like to elaborate further on how I feel a volunteer goat for Azazel could perhaps be of use in the working out of latter day events in such a way that the death toll is kept to an absolute minimum. Although I am not certain exactly what a volunteer goat for Azazel should do I have seen a videotape in my head of myself signing currency units while my hand is bleeding. The blood that drips onto a particular part of those currency units, along with many examples of my signature serves to authenticate the validity of these specific currency units for a future in which they could turn out to be quite useful. I hereby offer to The Sanhedrin 22 billion Dennis Tate shekels or dollars, similar to CalgaryDollars.ca or the Ithaca Hour. Bill and Melinda Gates are planning on spending 24 billion US dollars in an effort to make this world a better place. I wish to compete with them. This 22 billion in a sense can be used as props in many reality films that tend to promote peace in the Middle East and the reestablishment of the law of Moshe even in foreign lands. It is my belief that the films that you are guided to produce and direct will greatly increase in value over the coming decades and centuries. Shalom and greetings from Nova Scotia. Dennis Tate

By 1990 I felt that I should put in an offer to buy "The Debt and Guilt of Azazel".... [whatever that is exactly], from Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus who I regarded as being "Messiah the Passover Lamb." By that time I was convinced that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus in His resurrected body owned, the Debt and Guilt of Azazel, and I felt that admitting that He was Messiah the Passover Lamb would be an important part of the next step in the unraveling of what Rabbi Alon Anava terms a "Genius Master Plan."

 

[BreezeWood]

Thank you for letting me know that,
that makes sense out of his statement.

Even the Scribes and the Pharisees of the time of the writing of the Christian Scriptures never try to say that John the Baptist and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus are not Jewish. They do on the other hand assert that perhaps Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was doing miracles by the power of "Azazel Baalzebub."

I stopped reading after "jesus is not a jew".....

- jesus knew perfectly well the sabbath is the heavenly claim for their creation of life and garden earth as among their greatest accomplishments for living beings to keep holy as what was given them - for which all three desert religions are miserable failures.

provide any authentication jesus ever is referred as - rabbi - in any publication, 4th century christian bible ... your intoxication is extremely inappropriate in all ways of consideration.

This is why he cannot face that Jesus was one of the Jews he so despises.

the 1st century events is the repudiation of judaism: false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid, false heavenly personifications that never occurred et al - that is you who are incapable to justify your errant religion.

and is the reason for jesus's popularity during those events despite the 4th century christian bible that is simply a continuation of judaisms false characterizations of the heavens - mainly the notion the heavens would manifest a messiah for anyone for any purpose much less to save them in lite particularly the occurrence of the great flood and admonition against any intervention again by them for any reason till final judgement is rendered.

 

[DennisPTate]

provide any authentication jesus ever is referred as - rabbi - in any publication, 4th century christian bible ... your intoxication is extremely inappropriate in all ways of consideration.



the 1st century events is the repudiation of judaism: false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid, false heavenly personifications that never occurred et al - that is you who are incapable to justify your errant religion.

and is the reason for jesus's popularity during those events despite the 4th century christian bible that is simply a continuation of judaisms false characterizations of the heavens - mainly the notion the heavens would manifest a messiah for anyone for any purpose much less to save them in lite particularly the occurrence of the great flood and admonition against any intervention again by them for any reason till final judgement is rendered.

Rabbonai is the Aramaic way of saying Rabbi.....

"Rabboni" is an Aramaic term that Mary Magdalene said to Jesus after his resurrection, and it means "Teacher" or "My Teacher". This moment, described in John 20:16, is when Mary recognized Jesus after initially mistaking him for a gardener.

 

[BreezeWood]

Rabbonai is the Aramaic way of saying Rabbi.....

maybe in the christian bible not sure how many arabs simulate jewish religion nomenclature for gratuitous purposes.

mary joseph jesus and mary magdalene - are heavenly chosen as exemplars who did not fear judaism or moses their false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid et al. above all else they were not jews as a claim of such jesus as a messiah / rabbi stands against all they stood for and the true events of the 1st century liberation theology, self determination likewise no where found in the christian bible.

 

[DennisPTate]

maybe in the christian bible not sure how many arabs simulate jewish religion nomenclature for gratuitous purposes.

mary joseph jesus and mary magdalene - are heavenly chosen as exemplars who did not fear judaism or moses their false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid et al. above all else they were not jews as a claim of such jesus as a messiah / rabbi stands against all they stood for and the true events of the 1st century liberation theology, self determination likewise no where found in the christian bible.

A powerful case can be presented that the four hundred thousand Messianic Jews living in the Roman Province of Judaea at the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt, who DID NOT join in the Bar Kochba Revolt, and thuse WERE NOT kicked out of Judaea by the Romans, may be largely the Palestinians of these past couple of centuries.

[Sid Roth] :
The first Church was Jewish. If a Gentile wanted to follow the Messiah, he had to convert to Judaism. Then Peter had a revelation that Gentiles did not have to convert to Judaism to be saved (see Acts 10). The Jerusalem Council meeting determined that Gentiles did not have to be circumcised. There were only four easily followed requirements. They were to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood (Acts 15:20). After all, James said, they could learn more about God by hear- ing the words of Moses every Saturday in the syna- gogue (see Acts 15:21). This opened the door to widespread church growth among the Gentiles. So many Gentiles were saved that the Jewish believers became a minority.

The first Jewish followers of Jesus were called Nazarenes (part of the Essenes sect of Judaism dis- cussed in Chapter 3). They practiced traditional Judaism and were widely accepted by unbelieving Jews. Early in the second century their numbers reached 400,000.1 In the Book of Acts, the early church fathers said to Paul: You see, brother, how many myriads [tens of thousands] of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law (Acts 21:20).

The Nazarenes acceptance by traditional Jews came to a halt in A.D. 135 when Rabbi Akiba declared that Bar Kochba was the Jewish Messiah. His followers hoped he would lead them to victory over the Romans. The Nazarenes refused to fight because they believed Jesus was the true Messiah rather than Bar Kochba. They were branded traitors, not because they believed in Jesus, but because they would not join Bar Kochbas armed struggle. Bar Kochba and his followers were quickly slaughtered by the Romans. Afterward, Jews were banned from Jerusalem.

History shows that as the center of the Christian faith moved from Jerusalem to Rome, it became increasingly Hellenized, adopting pagan customs and philosophies rather than the God-ordained practices and beliefs of the Bible. At the same time, Christianity became increasingly anti-Jewish."

[Sid Roth from his book The Incomplete Church, Chapter 7, page 64, 65]

The Incomplete Church (Book) by Sid Roth, Code: 1093

Christianity today is very different from the original. To experience the original—the miracles, healings, power, and intimacy with God—we have to examine our Jewish roots. For nearly 2,000 years, there has been a separation between Judaism and Christianity resulting in a lack of miracle power...

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The Holy Land Was Hollow Until the Jews Returned

The Paleonasties were desert bandits who wandered into an empty and infertile land for a pit stop.

Being ruled over by highly unethical individuals or gruops, will tend to have that effect on a group of people. A powerful case can be presented that the Mufti of Jerusalem led the Palestinians into supporting Germany during WWII.

As of the 1970's the leadership of the Palestinian people had found themselves somebody almost as bad as Adolf Hitler to assist them in their objectives of finishing what Adolf Hitler had started.

I...

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[Hafar1014]

Christianity is dumbed down Judaism. They needed a God with a face name and personality for the unwashed idiots. So they created an idol. Then they created hell to use as a threat to compel obedience. There is no original sin in Genesis. There is no reason fir Jesus to exist.

 

[Zebra]

According to Jewish law, the protection of life supersedes all other laws. If your life is (or could be) in danger, you fight back.

so i know it, too

 

[DennisPTate]

so i know it, too

Yes, Jewish Rabbi's did figure out that their Machabee ancestors did do the correct thing to fight back when attacked on the Sabbath by Greco - Syrian armies.

Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus made a pretty good point though when some of the Scribes and Pharisees complained when he prayed and some sick people were healed on the Sabbath?

And Jesus passing by, saw a man, who was blind from his birth: 2 And his disciples asked him: Rabbi, who hath sinned, this man, or his parents, that he should be born blind? 3 Jesus answered: Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents; but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. 4 I must work the works of him that sent me, whilst it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

6 When he had said these things, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and spread the clay on his eyes, 7 And said to him: Go, wash in the pool of Siloe, which is interpreted, Sent. He went therefore, and washed, and he came seeing. 8 The neighbours therefore, and they who had seen him before that he was a beggar, said: Is not this he that sat and begged? Some said: This is he. 9 But others said: No, but he is like him. But he said: I am he. 10 They said therefore to him: How were thy eyes opened?

11 He answered: That man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed my eyes, and said to me: Go to the pool of Siloe, and wash. And I went, I washed, and I see. 12 And they said to him: Where is he? He saith: I know not. 13 They bring him that had been blind to the Pharisees. 14 Now it was the sabbath, when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes. 15 Again therefore the Pharisees asked him, how he had received his sight. But he said to them: He put clay upon my eyes, and I washed, and I see.

16 Some therefore of the Pharisees said: This man is not of God, who keepeth not the sabbath. But others said: How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them. 17 They say therefore to the blind man again: What sayest thou of him that hath opened thy eyes? And he said: He is a prophet. 18 The Jews then did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and had received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight, 19 And asked them, saying: Is this your son, who you say was born blind? How then doth he now see? 20 His parents answered them, and said: We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind:

21 But how he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: ask himself: he is of age, let him speak for himself. 22 These things his parents said, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had already agreed among themselves, that if any man should confess him to be Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue. 23 Therefore did his parents say: He is of age, ask himself. 24 They therefore called the man again that had been blind, and said to him: Give glory to God. We know that this man is a sinner. 25 He said therefore to them: If he be a sinner, I know not: one thing I know, that whereas I was blind, now I see.

26 They said then to him: What did he to thee? How did he open thy eyes? 27 He answered them: I have told you already, and you have heard: why would you hear it again? will you also become his disciples? 28 They reviled him therefore, and said: Be thou his disciple; but we are the disciples of Moses. 29 We know that God spoke to Moses: but as to this man, we know not from whence he is. 30 The man answered, and said to them: Why, herein is a wonderful thing, that you know not from whence he is, and he hath opened my eyes.

31 Now we know that God doth not hear sinners: but if a man be a server of God, and doth his will, him he heareth. 32 From the beginning of the world it hath not been heard, that any man hath opened the eyes of one born blind. 33 Unless this man were of God, he could not do any thing. 34 They answered, and said to him: Thou wast wholly born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out. 35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out: and when he had found him, he said to him: Dost thou believe in the Son of God?

36 He answered, and said: Who is he, Lord, that I may believe in him? 37 And Jesus said to him: Thou hast both seen him; and it is he that talketh with thee. 38 And he said: I believe, Lord. And falling down, he adored him. 39 And Jesus said: For judgment I am come into this world; that they who see not, may see; and they who see, may become blind. 40 And some of the Pharisees, who were with him, heard: and they said unto him: Are we also blind?

41 Jesus said to them: If you were blind, you should not have sin: but now you say: We see. Your sin remaineth.

[John 9]

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[Lisa558]

Yes, Jewish Rabbi's did figure out that their Machabee ancestors did do the correct thing to fight back when attacked on the Sabbath by Greco - Syrian armies.

Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus made a pretty good point though when some of the Scribes and Pharisees complained when he prayed and some sick people were healed on the Sabbath?

The Jews fought back when the Islamists launched a war on Yom Kippur, too.

Antisemitic Arabs often pick a major Jewish holiday for their surprise attacks. Oct 7 was on Simchat Torah - a joyous holiday.