Any non-partisan conservatives here?

[JBeukema]

STOP IT!!!! Obama is not a ******* Marxist, neither is anyone in Congress.

God damned all the lies!!!!!!!!

You are correct, however in Obama's own words, he was influenced by Marxist professors in college and even expressed marxist views. You have to admit, these types of things influence a person especially at the college age.

No he is not correct man, don't be a *****. Obama is a Marxist, and there are more than a few in congress as well.

You have to remember. Marxism represents communism before the Soviets corrupted it, and anyone else who tried it corrupted it. Obama is a Marxist who thinks he can do it right this time. When we call him a Marxist we do not mean he wants to be Stalin, we mean he thinks he Can be the one to get it right and bring us Utopia. He is guilty of Ideological Ignorance. He has the Audacity of Hope to Believe He is the one who can make a failed ideology work for the first time.

Fail. When has he ever advocated open revolution?

Obama's policies are those of reformist socialism, not of revolutionary communism. As a mater of definition, then, he cannot be a Marxist.

 

[Londoner]

Conservatism's last breath was Goldwater, Liberalism was McGovern. With Reagan you saw the corporate take over the American government. He single handedly turned your representative democracy into an omnivorous lobbying state -- corporations have been staffing your government for over 30 yrs. The GOP is fully corporatist; the Dems are GOP lite -- both work with big business to maximize their take from the public trust. America is now two class society divided into those with dynastic portfolios and those who work for the monopolies in the aforementioned dynastic portfolios.

Teddy Roosevelt -- America's Greatest President -- would NEVER gain entrance into today's GOP. His environmentalism would threaten the corporations which own the Republican party, and his worries over concentrated wealth and corporate power would place him to the left of most Democratic members of congress.

People who think Reagan was a real conservative are crazy. He had the most liberal abortion policy ever as Governor of California. He stood for amnesty and open borders (he did not want to restrict the flow of capital and labor with borders. He was the first president of hyper-globalization, i.e., NO FAN of borders). He hurt California more than people realize, and then he destroyed the USA with deficits, insane military expansion, and an energy strategy which guaranteed the globe's future dependence on terror states, whom he formed deep partnerships with (from Iran to Hussein and the "freedom Fighters" in Afghanistan). His wife was an astrology kook who was notoriously anti-religious. Reagan NEVER set foot in church, and he allowed homosexuals to sleep together in the Lincoln Bedroom. He was one of the least Conservative presidents in American History. He sold the American worker down river and ended the largest middle class in history. He used conservatism and the moral majority for electoral reasons.

 

[editec]

How can one have the strongerst miilitary in the world and the weakest government, too?

It's not possible.

 

[fyrenza]

I believe that I've finally come to the realization that regardless of what ANYONE says,

or what ANYONE wants,

we are just being pawned by The Powers That Be.

If ONE family owns the media, AND the banking institutions?

They've Got The Power to buy whatever they want,

and our gov was stupid enough to fall for it, and accept the handouts,

'cuz we'll NEVER be able to touch their wealth and ability to Buy whatever their hearts desire.

Right Now? I'm NOTHING in way of a political label, other than to argue logic with dumbasses.

I guess I'm a revolutionary, 'cuz I want them ALL gone, and for us to Start Over,

and the FIRST thing we'll have to do is overthrow this bogus monetary system we currently live under.

The WORKERS are the Valuable Peeps ~ NOT the sit-at-a-desk,dream-up-new-ways-to-****-over-the-general-population folks.

WE produce, while THEY suck up our goods, and as long as we can be "bought?"

We're fucked.

 

[Sarah G]

Sometimes 'truth' is colored by perception.

I like this. You get it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Just curious.
(I never see any in my area.)

You'll find that virtually every conservative here is an "independent." I don't know if their claimed rejection of both parties qualifies them as non-partisan, but it sure seems to me that 1. Every move the Democrats make has zero benefit and "Will destroy our country," and 2. Every problem we have is the fault of a Democrat or Democrats, sometimes decades ago.

For that matter, there seem to be a lot of "independents" that march in lockstep with Democrats as well.

In fact, now that you bring it up, I can't think of anyone who's identified themselves as a proud Republican. There has been innuendo about how great the Republican party was before they lost their minds, but I don't know that there's anyone here who will admit to being a Republican and supporting the party here and now.

Registered Republican, been one my entire adult life and as a kid. And I am conservative. Always have been always will be. Was not easy as a kid, seems everyone else in the family is an idiot Democrat.

Bush was no conservative. Your problem is you dumb asses not only think he was a conservative you think he was far right. I laugh every time you ignoramuses make that claim. He got elected in 2000 cause he managed to win the Primary, He got reelected in 2004 cause our option was him or Kerry.

 

[hipeter924]

At first I liked Obama, not because he was any better than Bush but because he promised to recognize the Armenian Genocide, help the people in Darfur and boost infrastructure and create jobs (which would help get the US out of the recession).

Instead Obama:
- Denied the Armenian Genocide 'only a few 100,000 died' and stole Bush's policy on Armenia.
- Sided with China and Islamic Theocracies over Darfur.
- Pushed through a government bail out that has put the nation trillions in debt and now quite a few of the bailed out companies after raping the money have gone bankrupt.
- Done nothing to help businesses (even a minor tax cut would have helped)

And that is of course just the beginning. For a man claiming to be 'better than Bush' he has failed America in ways even Bush could not have been capable of.

But America still has 'hope' and can 'change', here is proof:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRgRz3nSG7o[/ame]

 

[code1211]

Conservatism's last breath was Goldwater, Liberalism was McGovern. With Reagan you saw the corporate take over the American government. He single handedly turned your representative democracy into an omnivorous lobbying state -- corporations have been staffing your government for over 30 yrs. The GOP is fully corporatist; the Dems are GOP lite -- both work with big business to maximize their take from the public trust. America is now two class society divided into those with dynastic portfolios and those who work for the monopolies in the aforementioned dynastic portfolios.

Teddy Roosevelt -- America's Greatest President -- would NEVER gain entrance into today's GOP. His environmentalism would threaten the corporations which own the Republican party, and his worries over concentrated wealth and corporate power would place him to the left of most Democratic members of congress.

People who think Reagan was a real conservative are crazy. He had the most liberal abortion policy ever as Governor of California. He stood for amnesty and open borders (he did not want to restrict the flow of capital and labor with borders. He was the first president of hyper-globalization, i.e., NO FAN of borders). He hurt California more than people realize, and then he destroyed the USA with deficits, insane military expansion, and an energy strategy which guaranteed the globe's future dependence on terror states, whom he formed deep partnerships with (from Iran to Hussein and the "freedom Fighters" in Afghanistan). His wife was an astrology kook who was notoriously anti-religious. Reagan NEVER set foot in church, and he allowed homosexuals to sleep together in the Lincoln Bedroom. He was one of the least Conservative presidents in American History. He sold the American worker down river and ended the largest middle class in history. He used conservatism and the moral majority for electoral reasons.

Apparently the Londoner has visited the Chemist recently and the Meds are kicking in.

 

[Greenbeard]

I reject the bot parties for the exact same reason. All they care about is getting votes. Need to tell a million lies, and whitewash a guy's character to get him elected? No problem. Need to make a million campaign promises that you will never have neither the ability or desire to keep? Hey no problem. Currently, have to scream racism every time your guy looks like a buffoon ? No problem, hey let's get some Hollywood wackos to help us out there.

These aren't features unique to the two main American parties, they're features of representative government, features of humanity. Most of the things you seem to dislike about the parties are things you dislike about the electoral/political process and those deficiencies can generally be laid at the feet of the American voter. Politicians do it because people reward them for it.

 

[editec]

I rather doubt that most people here who identify themsevles as conservatives really understand what conservatism really is.

It's an approach to problem solving...not a grocery list of things one must believe.

I have the same complaint about most self indentifying liberals.

People seem to confuse supporting the Dems with being a liberal, and supporting the Reps as being consevative.

I don't think either party lives up to being either conservative or liberal.

Parties tend to operate pragmatically, not idealistically.
Their rhetoric might be idealistic, but their actions are mired in the real world.

The hi-lited part is the problem with the parties. They just can't seem to figure out that the "grocery list" eliminates many from their "tent".

Just as an example: Abortion. If you are a Conservative, it seems to me, you should be in favor of privately funded abortion when needed. Without the Abortion option, a whole slew of programs are needed to support unwed mothers, subsidize child rearing expenses, Child Care assistance programs for working single mothers, Child support payment enforcement... In short, the government must become larger if abortion is illegal.

If you are a Liberal, believing that it takes a village and so forth, you should oppose or at least harbor no strong feelings about abortion and yet the litmus test for most Liberals involves support of the "right" to have an abortion.

Liberals can find this "right" in the Constitution, but the "right" to bear arms somehow eludes them in the same document.

Conservatives routinely want to reduce spending, but don't really see the problem with maintaining Super Carriers. What's wrong with this picture?

To my way of thinking, which is admittedly a bit skewed, the party affilliation and the political philosophy routinely force contraditions that the party hacks rationalize away.

Being a true Liberal or Conservative almost demands that you be in conflict with both parties.

Being a true believer from either party demands that you suspend the need for rational thought.

i don't see being pragmatic as a problem. it is easy to be an idealogue and get nothing done, tilt at windmills and bemoan the evils of the enemy.

You present, of course, an argument with merit, Jill.

The old adage about intenting to drain the swamp but finding oneself up to one's ass in alligators does describe why poltical idealists become political pragmatists.

actually doing anything is difficult and requires that people actually talk to each other instead of playing the 'i hope the other guy fails' game.

The problem is that our system demands compromise and now it is SO compoimised that all former ideals are basically meaningless rhetoric used to placate the still faithful partisans.

The compromises of essantially like-minded people (and I say this because the elite of RNC and DNC really do have the same damned masters even if theiur internacine battle for power is real enough) has meant that every issue ends abandoning the AMERICAN people, in favor of the AMERICAN/INTERNATIONALIST ELITE.

Being moderate and rational in this political milieu ends up meaning that elite who control control absolutely.

This is why I am so down on our parties and system, now.

Every road we are going down, every compromise our parties are making, is leading to the destruction of the American middle class, Jill.

Eventually (if not already) this leads (has already lead) to destruction of the SPIRIT of this republic and the principles for once it stood.

The USA is an imperial power now, Jill. Our leaders are not nationalists, anymore.

We're at the zenith of that US based imperialism, right now, thanks to the destruction of the Soviet and the seducation of the Asian communist ruling elite.

Small wonder our elite act imperiously, they ARE, after all, the world's (undeclared, but very obviously) aristocrats.

They own or control the world's wealth, and they do so by controlling this nation's vast military, its vast economy, its three branches of government, AND its media, and also by controlling the majority of governments around the world, too.

America is now just PART of that undeclared but obvious EMPIRE of the world's monied class.

And the American people, are targeted fgor destruction in the sense that they will be taken down a notch so that they remember their place as PEASANTSi IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER OF INTERNATIONAL NEO-FEUDALISM

FWIW, Jill, were I a member of that select group, and were I truly interested in survival of mankind, I might very well do the same damned thing.

I have no delusions that I am a more moral person that those currently pulling the strings.

I cannot attest to the motives of the puppetmaster class, I doubt very much that they are all on board in some vast conspiracy, but the outcomes of the system sure in hell looks like SOMEBODY is thinking about ten chess moves ahead of most of us.

In this century mankind is going to be facing some DAMNED HARD CHOICES.

Much like those elite I ***** all the time, I rather doubt that the types and numbers of governments we have today, are really up to the task of preventing mankind from killing itself.

So possibly, while I describe what is being done to the American people as evil, the long range plan might actually BE, the only path to survival of the race.

There, my one and only possbile apologia for what the MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE are doing to this world...they might be motivated by something noble.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Yeah? And who's going to save us from the saviours?

 

[Flopper]

If by "non-partisan" you mean willing to bend over and have a Marxist agenda shoved our collective asses.... uh, probably not so much. BTW.. when's the last time anyone of you leftists compromised on anything? It's full bore Marxist ideology or "**** YOU YOU RACIST PIGS".

STOP IT!!!! Obama is not a ******* Marxist, neither is anyone in Congress.

God damned all the lies!!!!!!!!

I ran across this short quote that says a lot.

"I am not a Marxist."
Karl Marx

Socialism and Capitalism are ideologies that exist in every society. Taken in large enough doses
both can be deadly. Used properly, they can make the world a lot better place.

 

[Tech_Esq]

I'm not partisan in the "I just love Republicans and everything the party does," sense of the word. I'm discerning enough to know that neither President Bush was a conservative. (Although I was ambushed by the first one).

As a practical matter, probably because I have a political science degree and have studied how the sausage gets made, I take a larger view of the political landscape and actually vote accordingly. While I don't support what Republicans do in many instances, I almost never support what Democrats do or their agenda or their goals. Therefore, I must vote for Republicans in an effort to keep Democrats from power.

On an issue by issue basis, I'll give you my honest take on it, but when I'm voting, I wouldn't vote for a Democrat. The individual office holder is meaningless because over 85% of the time, they will vote party line. So, if you don't support the agenda of the little letter after their name, you shouldn't vote for them. IMHO.

 

[Jon]

I think I'm the only conservative I know who has never voted for a Republican.

Then again, my social views are very liberal. But I put money before social issues, and so I identify myself as a conservative because I hate wasteful spending.

 

[007]

Just curious.
(I never see any in my area.)

If you were completely non partisan, you wouldn't be a conservative, or a liberal, or anything else. That's what partisan is.

I'm curious as to why you define it that way. I always thought that partisanship meant loyalty to a political party, be it Rep, Dem, Green, or whichever. And that conservatism and liberalism had to do only with approaches to how government should work.

To me, anyone who has no problem crossing party lines when they vote is automatically non-partisan.

Well your initial question was, "are there any non partisan conservatives here?" It's an interesting question. But I don't think you can be a true conservative without being partisan to conservatism. Are you a conservative if you're not? I wouldn't think so.

 

[Palin Rider]

Well your initial question was, "are there any non partisan conservatives here?" It's an interesting question. But I don't think you can be a true conservative without being partisan to conservatism. Are you a conservative if you're not? I wouldn't think so.

I think you and I are using the word "partisan" to mean two different things, but no big. I'm pretty sure I get your point.

 

[JBeukema]

If by "non-partisan" you mean willing to bend over and have a Marxist agenda shoved our collective asses.... uh, probably not so much. BTW.. when's the last time anyone of you leftists compromised on anything? It's full bore Marxist ideology or "**** YOU YOU RACIST PIGS".

STOP IT!!!! Obama is not a ******* Marxist, neither is anyone in Congress.

God damned all the lies!!!!!!!!

I ran across this short quote that says a lot.

"I am not a Marxist."
Karl Marx

Do you know what it means? have you read the full statement, or only that snippet?

 

[code1211]

I think I'm the only conservative I know who has never voted for a Republican.
Then again, my social views are very liberal. But I put money before social issues, and so I identify myself as a conservative because I hate wasteful spending.

Does this mean you don't vote at all?