Any Document Signed by Biden with Autopen is Terminated –

[Darkwind]

Before any of you get too deep in your fantasy about 'Lots of people have been doing this for ages" bullshit.

The issue is NOT the autopen, but the fact that it was signing a signtaure WITHOUT the expressed consent of the person whose signature is being used.

It HAS ALWAYS been required that the use of the device was legal ONLY with a provable consent from the Signee.

Does anyone have that from Biden? I mean, before he became incapacitated by brain rot?

 

[Darkwind]

English, please. Board rules. Wanna try again?

Why? You can't read any language with ANY comprehension skills so I'll not bother.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Before any of you get too deep in your fantasy about 'Lots of people have been doing this for ages" bullshit.

How you know something is a fact.^^

The issue is NOT the autopen, but the fact that it was signing a signtaure WITHOUT the expressed consent of the person whose signature is being used.

Which is the lie you have to prove.

 

[Darkwind]

How you know something is a fact.^^


Which is the lie you have to prove.

No, what you are doing is lying.

Legal Standard for Autopen Use in the United States​

The legal standard for autopen use in the United States is governed primarily by a 2005 Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) memorandum from the Department of Justice, which established that autopen signatures are constitutionally permissible for presidential documents.

Constitutional Foundation​

The OLC determined that the President is not obligated to personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill for it to become law. Instead, the President may sign a bill within the meaning of Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution by directing a subordinate to affix the President's signature using an autopen or similar device. This interpretation treats the signature requirement as a ministerial function that can be delegated, provided the President authorizes it.justice+1


So, go ahead. Prove the President authorized it.

 

[meaner gene]

Absolutely not. If he cannot testify in court, then asking Biden if he was aware of the misuse of the autopen would be nothing more than criminal deflection. There are others who have stated on record that he was unaware of MOST of them, meaning at the beginning, he was questionable, and it went downhill from there.

I support this from Trump. Send them back to jail.

And the funny part is.
The folks saying that the president delegating the use of autopen isn't legal. Are the same one's saying that the president can declassify top secret and above documents, just by thinking about it

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, what you are doing is lying.

Legal Standard for Autopen Use in the United States​

The legal standard for autopen use in the United States is governed primarily by a 2005 Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) memorandum from the Department of Justice, which established that autopen signatures are constitutionally permissible for presidential documents.

Constitutional Foundation​

The OLC determined that the President is not obligated to personally perform the physical act of affixing his signature to a bill for it to become law. Instead, the President may sign a bill within the meaning of Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution by directing a subordinate to affix the President's signature using an autopen or similar device. This interpretation treats the signature requirement as a ministerial function that can be delegated, provided the President authorizes it.justice+1


So, go ahead. Prove the President authorized it.

You're confused again. Nobody has to lift a finger to disprove your accusations.

Not a single soul.

 

[Darkwind]

And the funny part is.
The folks saying that the president can't delegating the use of autopen isn't legal. Are the same one's saying that the president can declassify top secret and above documents, just by thinking about it

Or take over a government by committee and without the knowledge of the President, begin issuing orders and providing cover and pardons, effectively usurping the Power of the President.

 

[Darkwind]

You're confused again. Nobody has to lift a finger to disprove your accusations.

Not a single soul.

It can't be disproved.

The burden of proof is on the party making the claim that Biden knew and authorized the use of the autopen.

They cannot prove it. Therefore, those autopens are null and void.


End of thread and disscussion.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It can't be disproved.

Nor do you have any evidence of it.

This is what normal adults call, "nonsense".

 

[1srelluc]

Burden of proof is on you

Prove his mental condition when those documents were signed

Biden being deemed mentally unfit to stand trial sorta says it all.

In deciding not to charge Biden with any crimes, the special counsel wrote that in a potential trial, “Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview with him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”
- Robert Hur

‘A nightmare’: Special counsel’s assessment of Biden’s mental fitness triggers Democratic panic

Polls have long found that questions about his age and mental abilities have plagued Biden’s standing with the public.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[WEATHER53]

Unless Biden was aware of what was being signed, it’s invalid
He would have to grant a POA to a living human to otherwise be uninformed and unaware

 

[Doc7505]

Who says Biden didn’t approve?

Just ask him

<~~~~~~>
Joey B doesn't remember what he had for breakfast, much less approval of pardons by auto-pen...

 

[1srelluc]

Milley and Fauci are going to lose sleep over this; they know what’s coming.

Let the vile dem caterwauling commence!

This will also force the vile dems to file suits on every single order. Tie up their resources on this so they can’t fight other things.

 

[excalibur]

Who says Biden didn’t approve?

Just ask him

Special counsel Robert Hur’s portrait of a man who couldn’t remember when he served as Barack Obama’s vice president, or the year when his beloved son Beau died, dealt a blow to Biden’s argument that he is still sharp and fit enough to serve another four-year term.

In deciding not to charge Biden with any crimes, the special counsel wrote that in a potential trial, “Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview with him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.”​

‘A nightmare’: Special counsel’s assessment of Biden’s mental fitness triggers Democratic panic

Polls have long found that questions about his age and mental abilities have plagued Biden’s standing with the public.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[1srelluc]

LOL.....The vile dems won't know if to shit or go blind....They will go from fighting to block Trump's executive orders as unconstitutional to immediately about-facing and declare that "Executive orders are sacred to our democracy!

They carry the full weight of law and cannot be revoked without a 2/3rds vote in Congress, a Constitutional Amendment passed by all 57 states, a unanimous approval by all members of the United Nations, and a new divinely-inspired book of the New Testament canonized by four consecutive Popes!

 

[meaner gene]

Or take over a government by committee and without the knowledge of the President, begin issuing orders and providing cover and pardons, effectively usurping the Power of the President.

That assertion will be nearly impossible to prove, unless you have it on video tape.
Meanwhile the legal presumption is that unless proved otherwise, the signatures were legal.
Meanwhile Trump went through his usual stages of denial over the Epstein birthday book letter.
First Trump said there was no birthday book
Then admitted there was a book, but Trump said no Epstein letter from him.
Then admitted there's a letter, but it's not his signature.

 

[rightwinger]

Absolutely not. If he cannot testify in court, then asking Biden if he was aware of the misuse of the autopen would be nothing more than criminal deflection. There are others who have stated on record that he was unaware of MOST of them, meaning at the beginning, he was questionable, and it went downhill from there.

I support this from Trump. Send them back to jail.

Court TODAY is going to prove his mental state a year ago?

 

[meaner gene]

It can't be disproved.

The burden of proof is on the party making the claim that Biden knew and authorized the use of the autopen.

They cannot prove it. Therefore, those autopens are null and void.


End of thread and disscussion.

Trump said in an interview, that he had no knowledge of granting a pardon to the person they asked him about.
Does that invalidate pardons, Trump can't remember?

 

[Care4all]

Trump doesn't have the power under the constitution to simply cancel all of them.

THE END.

Clearly it's a distraction...
(How are the release of those Epstein files going?)

 

[meaner gene]

Unless Biden was aware of what was being signed, it’s invalid
He would have to grant a POA to a living human to otherwise be uninformed and unaware

In a recent "60 Minutes" interview, President Trump stated he did not know who Changpeng Zhao was, despite having pardoned the cryptocurrency founder just a few weeks earlier.