Zone1 Antisemites lie about Israel being an apartheid state

[Lisa558]

Israel is basically an apartheid state. It is not anti Semitic to say so. Opposition to the right wing extremist government in Israel is not anti semitism.

You’re a liar. And it IS antisemitic to zero in on the sole little Jewish county while ignoring the real apartheid going on in many Arab and African countries.

And finally, we are supposed to believe that your hate for Israel doesn’t mean you’re antisemitic?! You referred to Jews who support Israel - myself included - as “Satanic Jews”!!

 

[IM2]

Hamas killed non-combatants, that was horrendous. Israel killed non-combatants, that too was horrendous. Self-defense has its limits.

Israel has been beating and killing Palestinians for decades. But they always use the story of how they are threatened with extinction and must defend themselves.

 

[Thethingsz]

Israel has been beating and killing Palestinians for decades. But they always use the story of how they are threatened with extinction and must defend themselves.

So now you hide your racism , making anyone believe you are tearing for Arabs. You are so typical[/b[

 

[alang1216]

And P.S. The world was ALREADY ramping up its Jewish-hate rallies within days of the massacre by the Islamic savages - before Israel even began to fight back.

So don’t lie that antisemitism was caused by Israel’s actions. What was shocking was how much antisemitism was beneath the surface, and came bubbling up within days of the massacre of Jews.

I know someone who went to a “Death to Jews!” rally, marching with the Muslims, the Saturday after the massacre.

Is there anti-Semitism in the world? Yes. Did Israel make it worse by its actions? I think so.

And YOU, Alang, are advancing more of the antisemitism with your 3 D’s against Israel - while STILL not saying a word about the horrific apartheid in Arab and African countries.

Are there serious social problems in Arab and African countries. Certainly. Are they caused by Islam? I don't know but there are Muslim countries that don't have such problems.

 

[rosends]

Israel is basically an apartheid state.

No it isn't.

It is not anti Semitic to say so.

But it is wrong.

 

[Lisa558]

No it isn't.

But it is wrong.

But it DOES reveal antisemitism when condemnation is directed solely at the “Jew country” while downplaying our outright denying the actual apartheid in Arab and African countries.

 

[Lisa558]

Is there anti-Semitism in the world? Yes. Did Israel make it worse by its actions? I think so.


Are there serious social problems in Arab and African countries. Certainly. Are they caused by Islam? I don't know but there are Muslim countries that don't have such problems.

Huh? You call the outright apartheid and genocides occurring in Arab and African countries “serious social problems” while lambasting - falsely - Israel as being guilty of apartheid?!

Case proven. (Once again.)

 

[Lisa558]

Israel is basically an apartheid state. It is not anti Semitic to say so. Opposition to the right wing extremist government in Israel is not anti semitism.

Calling Jews “satanic” is indeed antisemitic.

 

[georgephillip]

That B'tselem rag..

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With ChatGPT
Q:
You admit that B'tselem advocates ONLY for Arabs (inside the green line or outside) or/and those who defend Arabs. Simply put, yes or no? Just a yes or no answer, without propagating for them.

A:
Yes.

ChatGPT: "Does B'tselem advocate only for Arabs inside or outside the Green Line or for those who defend Arabs?"

"B’Tselem does not advocate only for Arabs, nor only for people who 'defend Arabs.' Its mandate is broader and more specific than that.

"What B’Tselem actually advocates for​

B’Tselem (The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories) advocates for human rights, regardless of ethnicity or religion, within a defined geographic and political scope.

"1. Geographic Scope​

• "Primary focus:
  Palestinians living in the territories occupied by Israel since 1967 — the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and Gaza.
• This is outside the Green Line.
• B’Tselem does not primarily focus on human rights issues inside Israel proper (within the Green Line), though it may address them when they are directly linked to occupation policies.

• "2. Who They Advocate For​

  • "Anyone whose human rights are violated by Israeli authorities in the occupied territories, regardless of identity.
    
    • "In practice, this is mostly Palestinians, because they are the population subject to military occupation.
    • But B’Tselem has also documented:
      
      • "Abuses against Israeli settlers
      • Violations of foreign nationals
      • Harm to Israeli soldiers when relevant to systemic abuses
  • They do not condition advocacy on whether someone is 'defending Arabs' or holding particular political view"

 

[Thethingsz]

Calling Jews “satanic” is indeed antisemitic.

Yes

 

[Thethingsz]

ChatGPT: "Does B'tselem ...

I pressed ChatGPT:

Q: Not "rare" I say never. Do you agree or not?

ChatGPT:
Yes, I agree. B'Tselem has never explicitly advocated for the human rights of Jews unrelated to issues involving Palestinians or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Their focus has always been on the rights of Palestinians and the impact of Israeli government policies on them.

 

[katsteve2012]

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[Thethingsz]

That man is obviously a Shekel ..

I'm fine with the dollars. And I prefer perfume. Thank you very much

 

[IM2]

It is not anti-Semitic to condemn what the government of Israel is doing. We are not required to say anything about Arabs or Africans. I have nt seen an Arab or African nation militarily occupy Israel like Israel did Lebanon. Arabs an Africans ate nt ilegy expning Jewish settlements against signed agreements. There is a reason why JEWS upport the BDS movment gainst the current government of Israel. So then calling people anti-Semitic because they hold the Israeli government accountable is sick.

 

[Thethingsz]

Then when she get cale out,

Kale or cale? And Netanyahu isn't "extremist." He is a pragmatic. Try Mr. Bengvir. Here again you hide your racism embedding it into politics.

 

[IM2]

I'm fine with the dollars. And I prefer perfume. Thank you very much

It appears that you don't have the guts to question/challenge this person, but you want to run your mouth to me about some imaginary hate you perceive because I state truth.

 

[Thethingsz]

It is not anti-Semitic to condemn what the government of Israel is doing.

Depending on who does it and for what purpose. Your transparency is shown. Keep trying.

 

[Thethingsz]

I .. There is a reason why ..

Self criticism by Jews is strong. Your point? Show me any Arab "human tights" groups advocating for Jews.

 

[Thethingsz]

Much like they do with the “genocide” lie, antisemites accuse Israel of being an apartheid state while ignoring the non-Jewish countries that are. This falsehood is driven both by blatant Jew-hate as well as the desire to advance it.

THIS is what an apartheid state does:
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Classic pic.

 

[Thethingsz]