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[georgephillip]

A brief search of the history of the Liberty attack indicates the attack was accidental, that they thought it was an Egyptian vessel.

Every eyewitness to Israel's attack on Liberty still maintains the assault was premeditated and deliberate.

Their story is available here:

USS Liberty Memorial

"The Attack

"After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning.

"USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter.

"Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

"The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us.

"Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded."

 

[Sayaras]

Every eyewitness to Israel's attack on Liberty still maintains the assault was premeditated and deliberate.

Their story is available here:

USS Liberty Memorial

"The Attack

"After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning.

"USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter.

"Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

"The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us.

"Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded."

No, the USS Liberty Attack Wasn't Israeli Treachery​

Dec 23, 2025 — A half-century-old theory that the Jewish state deliberately attacked the USS Liberty during the Six-Day War has renewed currency.

No, the USS Liberty Attack Wasn’t Israeli Treachery | National Review

A half-century-old theory that the Jewish state deliberately attacked the USS Liberty during the Six-Day War has renewed currency.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Genetic Continuance To Assure Natural Existence And Western Ideological Principles At Stake "

* Lineal Descendants From Eponymous Ishmael Of Quraysh Are Hashemites And Persians Are Not "

The US taxpayer is the only reason Israel continues to wage terror from Lebanon to Iran, and that support is evaporating faster than a Jew on a bicycle peddling through Little Mogadishu

Some us activists may be interested national defense against sectarian supremacists dealing in violence by doctrine .

The torahnism and qurayshism are genetic religions , where in qurayshism a preservation for a patriarchal lineage of eponymous ishmael is established through a religious polity of writs within a city state of hejaz , however pretenses for universalism of qurayshism outside of hejaz are debase and termed fictional ishmaelism .

The former persians , whose cultural heritage of zoroastrianism succumbed to iconoclasm and hegemony by fictional ishmaelism , are not lineal descendants of ishmael within the city state of hejaz , and the nomian genetic religion of qurayshism does not apply to their peoples , else see antinomianism and independence of the individual .

The edicts and tenets of creed for violence can not be extricated from doctrine to establish the religious polity of qurayshism within hejaz , and neither can edicts and tenets of creed for violence be extricated from doctrine to establish the religious polity of fictional ishmaelism universally outside of hejaz .

While the scope of qurayshism is limited with hejaz and does not necessarily require self defense against violence of any outside of hejaz , all outside of hejaz are entitled to self defense against violence from fictional ishmaelism could includes rescinding from its facilitators any extension to become a citizen .

surah 8 Spoils of War
75. And those who believed after [the initial emigration] and emigrated and fought with you - they are of you. But those of[blood] relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of God. Indeed, God is Knowing of all things.

surah 9 Repentance
9. If you do not go forth, He will punish you with a painful punishment and will replace you with another people, and you will not harm Him at all. And God is over all things competent.

Sūrah 106: Quraysh
1. For the accustomed security of the Quraysh -
2. Their accustomed security [in] the caravan of winter and summer -
3. Let them worship the Lord of this House,
4. Who has fed them, [saving them] from hunger and made them safe, [saving them] from fear.

. Hashemites - Wikipedia .
The Hashemites (Arabic: الهاشميون, romanized: al-Hāshimiyyūn), officially the House of Hashim, are the royal family of Jordan, which they have ruled since 1921, and were the royal family of the kingdoms of Hejaz (1916–1925), Syria (1920), and Iraq (1921–1958). The family had ruled the city of Mecca continuously from the 10th century, frequently as vassals of outside powers, and ruled the thrones of the Hejaz, Syria, Iraq, and Jordan following their World War I alliance with the British Empire.

Hussein bin Ali, the Sharif and Emir of Mecca from 1908,[9] enthroned himself as King of the Hejaz after proclaiming the Great Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire,[10] and continued to hold both of the offices of Sharif and King from 1916 to 1924.[9] At the end of his reign he also briefly laid claim to the office of Sharifian Caliph; he was a 37th-generation direct descendant of Muhammad, as he belongs to the Hashemite family.[9]

. Kharijites - Wikipedia .
The Kharijites did not have a uniform set of doctrines. In terms of law, some Kharijite sects believed in the Quran alone, such as the Haroori and the Azariqa, making them similar to Quranists.[1][2][3] The Kharijites believed that any Muslim, irrespective of his descent or ethnicity, qualified for the role of caliph, provided he was morally irreproachable. It was the duty of Muslims to rebel against and depose caliphs who sinned. Most Kharijite groups branded as disbelievers (kuffar; sing. kafir) Muslims who had committed a grave sin, and the most militant declared killing of such unbelievers to be licit, unless they repented. Many Kharijites were skilled orators and poets, and the major themes of their poetry were piety and martyrdom. The Kharijites of the eighth and ninth centuries participated in theological debates and, in the process, contributed to mainstream Islamic theology.

. THE HIJAZ-NAJD WAR (1924 – 1925) .
The dispute between “Al-Saoud” in Riyadh and the “Ashraf” of Hijaz dates back to the time of Mohammed Ben Abdel-Wahab, the great religious reformist whose message spread all over the Arabian peninsula with Najd as its potential stronghold.

. Wahhabism - Wikipedia .
Wahhabism[a] is a Salafi revivalist movement within Sunni Islam named after the 18th-century Hanbali scholar Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab.[5] It was initially established in the central Arabian region of Najd and later spread to other parts of the Arabian Peninsula,[c] and was the official policy of Saudi Arabia until 2022. Despite being founded on the principles of Sunni Islam, the Hanbalite scholars Ibn Taimiyya and Ibn al-Qayyim in particular,[7] Wahhabism may also refer to doctrinal differences distinct from other forms of Sunni Islam.[8][9][10] Non-Wahhabi Sunnis also have compared Wahhabism to the belief of the Kharijites[11] and loyalist monarchism.[12][13][14][15] The Wahhabi movement staunchly denounced rituals related to the veneration of Muslim saints and pilgrimages to their tombs and shrines, which were widespread amongst the people of Najd.

. Saudi conquest of Hejaz - Wikipedia .
The Saudi conquest of Hejaz, also known as the Hejaz-Nejd War, was a campaign by Abdulaziz al-Saud of the Saudi Sultanate of Nejd to take over the Hashemite Kingdom of Hejaz in 1924–25, ending with conquest and incorporation of Hejaz into the Saudi domain. The pretext for renewed hostilities between Nejd and Hejaz came when the pilgrims from Nejd were denied access to the holy places in Hejaz.[7]

Sharif of Mecca - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Sharif of Mecca (Arabic: شريف مكة, romanized: Sharīf Makkah) was the title of the leader of the Sharifate of Mecca, traditional steward of the Islamic holy cities of Mecca and Medina. The term sharif is Arabic for "noble", "highborn", and is used to describe the descendants of Hashim ibn Abd Manaf. The Sharif was charged with protecting the cities and their environs and ensuring the safety of pilgrims performing the Hajj. The title is sometimes spelled Sheriff or Sherif,

. Persecution of Zoroastrians - Wikipedia .
Early Muslim behaviour with Zoroastrians may have been motivated in part by the fact that they are not explicitly classified as "People of the Book" in the Quran.[1] Although some interpretations do extend this status to the community, the wider consensus among Muslim scholars is that "People of the Book" only identifies the followers of pre-Islamic Abrahamic religions—chiefly Judaism and Christianity—and consequently excludes Zoroastrianism, which is classified as an Iranian religion.

 

[JoeB131]

No, the USS Liberty Attack Wasn't Israeli Treachery​

Dec 23, 2025 — A half-century-old theory that the Jewish state deliberately attacked the USS Liberty during the Six-Day War has renewed currency.

No, the USS Liberty Attack Wasn’t Israeli Treachery | National Review

A half-century-old theory that the Jewish state deliberately attacked the USS Liberty during the Six-Day War has renewed currency.

www.nationalreview.com

The National Review? The people who got us into the Iraq War at Zionist urging? Oh, yeah, and it's behind a paywall long before you get to the supposed excuses.

How about addressing the fact that they attacked a US ship in international waters three times?

 

[Hafar1014]

It is a fact and for Zionist nutters like you a inconvenient fact.

Just because you say so? Jews will always win and there isnt a damn thing you can do about it because like all Jew haters you have the intelligence of a rodent and the personality as well

 

[Deadstick]

Just because you say so? Jews will always win and there isnt a damn thing you can do about it because like all Jew haters you have the intelligence of a rodent and the personality as well

I am not a jew hater no matter how many times you say it, i am a Zionist Fascist hater, two totally different things, but you know that don't you asshole?

 

[georgephillip]

No, the USS Liberty Attack Wasn't Israeli Treachery​

Dec 23, 2025 — A half-century-old theory that the Jewish state deliberately attacked the USS Liberty during the Six-Day War has renewed currency.

No, the USS Liberty Attack Wasn’t Israeli Treachery | National Review

A half-century-old theory that the Jewish state deliberately attacked the USS Liberty during the Six-Day War has renewed currency.

www.nationalreview.com

The IDF was aware that Liberty was a US Navy technical research vessel hours before its initial attack.

USS Liberty Memorial: Summary of Events

"At approximately 0600 hours (all times local) on the morning of June 8, 1967 an Israeli maritime reconnaissance aircraft observer reported seeing 'a US Navy cargo type ship,' just outside the coverage of the Israeli coastal radar defense net, bearing the hull markings "GTR-5".[11]

"This report, made to Israeli naval HQ, was also forwarded immediately to the Israeli navy intelligence directorate.[12]

Throughout the remainder of the day prior to the attack, Israeli reconnaissance aircraft regularly flew out to USS Liberty's position and orbited the ship before returning to their bases in Israel.

"A total of no fewer than eight (8) such flights were made.[13]

"At approximately 1050 hours, the naval observer from the early morning reconnaissance flight arrived at Israeli air force HQ and sat down with the air-naval liaison officer there.

"The two officers consulted Jane's Fighting Ships and learned that the ship reported earlier in the day was USS Liberty, a United States Navy technical research ship."

 

[Deadstick]

Don't know what you're talking about. I read the Wikipedia article and an article at history.navy.mil and neither of those mention anything like that.

The only thing that might be construed as such was when the torpedo boats were approaching, the Liberty captain ordered the .50 cals. manned and to begin firing. But just after he gave this order he noticed the torpedo boats were flying what looked like Israeli flags. Just as he was giving the order not to shoot, one gunner fired a short burst. The other gunner was out of the captain's sight so did not get the order and he let off a long sally at the torpedo boats.
The torpedo boats returned fire with a vengeance with cannons and torpedoes.

I've seen nothing that indicates they came back to attack survivors and in any case, the Israelis thought the ship was likely Egyptian.

Thought it was Egyptian i would have thought the massive stars and stripes flying on the ship would put that nonsense to bed.

 

[georgephillip]

IDF is secular . So is Netanyahu. Talmud is unrelated.

National religious recruits challenge values of IDF once dominated by secular elite

"Two-fifths of infantry graduate officer cadets now come from section of Israeli society aligned with far-right parties and settler movement."

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

except the Egyptians didn't have any ships like that in their navy.

Did the Israelis know this?

And it was clearly marked with an American Flag

It was not. For whatever reason, the flag was not flying at the time of the attack. Maybe because of the vessel's purpose.

And it had a very distinct silhouette due to it's antenna array.

So? Israel was at war with three other countries. They weren't taking any chances with a ship they couldn't identify.

They actually tried to contact the ship via the usual maritime channels but got no response. That was part of the reason they attacked.

Maybe they thought Egypt would get blamed and drag the US into the war.

That's a big maybe and pure speculation.

Or maybe they thought the ship had gathered intelligence on their sneak attack that started the war.

The war was already three days old at that point so the U.S. would have known by then that Israel's attacks were preemptive.

It wasn't investigated, it was covered up.

Maybe, maybe not.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Every eyewitness to Israel's attack on Liberty still maintains the assault was premeditated and deliberate.

Their story is available here:

USS Liberty Memorial

"The Attack

"After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning.

"USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter.

"Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

"The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us.

"Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded."

Where did they get the information that the Israelis identified the ship nine hours earlier? Is the captain and crew speculating or assuming they were identified due to the earlier flyovers?

The Israelis did flyovers in an attempt to identify the vessel but since it wasn't flying the U.S. flag, they couldn't identify it. They were also unable to get a response on the usual radio channels. Because they couldn't identify it, they weren't taking any chances that it might be Egyptian.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Thought it was Egyptian i would have thought the massive stars and stripes flying on the ship would put that nonsense to bed.

It wasn't flying its flag.

 

[Deadstick]

It wasn't flying its flag.

What US ship doesn't fly it's flag?

Yes, the USS Liberty was flying a U.S. flag during the attack on June 8, 1967. The flag was clearly visible and was replaced after being shot down during the attack. The USS Liberty was patrolling international waters and was identified as American by Israeli forces prior to the attack.

National Security Agency+3

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

What US ship doesn't fly it's flag?

Yes, the USS Liberty was flying a U.S. flag during the attack on June 8, 1967. The flag was clearly visible and was replaced after being shot down during the attack. The USS Liberty was patrolling international waters and was identified as American by Israeli forces prior to the attack.
National Security Agency+3

Apparently the Liberty. Some articles say the flag was flying but others say the crew didn't put the flag up until the interval between the plane attacks and the torpedo boat attacks.

Whether the flag was flying or not, I really don't understand why Israel would deliberately attack an American vessel in the middle of a war against three or four other nations. It doesn't make any sense given the circumstances and given that the U.S. has always been their staunchest ally. It would have been extremely foolhardy.

 

[Deadstick]

Apparently the Liberty. Some articles say the flag was flying but others say the crew didn't put the flag up until the interval between the plane attacks and the torpedo boat attacks.

Whether the flag was flying or not, I really don't understand why Israel would deliberately attack an American vessel in the middle of a war against three or four other nations. It doesn't make any sense given the circumstances and given that the U.S. has always been their staunchest ally. It would have been extremely foolhardy.

Why would they attack a US ship near Gaza? to blame the Egyptians.

 

[Lisa558]

Apparently the Liberty. Some articles say the flag was flying but others say the crew didn't put the flag up until the interval between the plane attacks and the torpedo boat attacks.

Whether the flag was flying or not, I really don't understand why Israel would deliberately attack an American vessel in the middle of a war against three or four other nations. It doesn't make any sense given the circumstances and given that the U.S. has always been their staunchest ally. It would have been extremely foolhardy.

That’s what I said upthread. NO WAY would Israel deliberately attack an American warship. That some of these antisemites think so just speaks to how much contempt they have for Jews.

And there are many instances of this type of thing happening in the Fog of War. Again, it is double standards to zero in ONLY on the Jewish state.

Or, speaking of deliberate attacks, what about when the Islamist savages snuck into the Olympics Village and massacred the Jewish athletes, and their coach? And of course we all know about 10/7 and what those subhumans did to innocent Jews.

(Note to the antisemites: I still have you a-holes on ignore. Don’t bother responding to me with more lies and smears.)

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Why would they attack a US ship near Gaza? to blame the Egyptians.

There would have been no point in that. Israel had already conducted attacks against Egyptians at this point, destroying their aircraft on the ground.

Also, the planes that did the flyovers and the initial attacks were recognized as French Mirages pretty much from the start, which was the plane used by Israel. Egypt only had Soviet aircraft and most of these were already destroyed on the ground three days earlier.

Egypt had a very limited capability of doing anything with aircraft at this point and the U.S. likely knew it. Any attempt to blame Egypt would have been foolish and most likely not believed by anyone.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

That’s what I said upthread. NO WAY would Israel deliberately attack an American warship. That some of these antisemites think so just speaks to how much contempt they have for Jews.

And there are many instances of this type of thing happening in the Fog of War. Again, it is double standards to zero in ONLY on the Jewish state.

Or, speaking of deliberate attacks, what about when the Islamist savages snuck into the Olympics Village and massacred the Jewish athletes, and their coach? And of course we all know about 10/7 and what those subhumans did to innocent Jews.

(Note to the antisemites: I still have you a-holes on ignore. Don’t bother responding to me with more lies and smears.)

Exactly. Deliberately attacking an American ship would have made no sense under the circumstances and especially given that the U.S. and Israel were allies.

Like you, I'm chalking this one up to the Fog of War.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

That’s what I said upthread. NO WAY would Israel deliberately attack an American warship. That some of these antisemites think so just speaks to how much contempt they have for Jews.

And there are many instances of this type of thing happening in the Fog of War. Again, it is double standards to zero in ONLY on the Jewish state.

Or, speaking of deliberate attacks, what about when the Islamist savages snuck into the Olympics Village and massacred the Jewish athletes, and their coach? And of course we all know about 10/7 and what those subhumans did to innocent Jews.

(Note to the antisemites: I still have you a-holes on ignore. Don’t bother responding to me with more lies and smears.)

There is no amount of reason that can ever get through to these miserable ghouls. All they know in this world is their hatred and they hate because they are worthless creatures looking for somebody else to blame.

 

[Lisa558]

There is no amount of reason that can ever get through to these miserable ghouls. All they know in this world is their hatred and they hate because they are worthless creatures looking for somebody else to blame.

And there has always been an element who blame the Jews for EVERYTHING - and credit them for none of the contributions they’ve made to society.

Sadly, a cohort of them have found their way to this website.