Anti-Obama Sentiment grows: Tea Party Movement Spreads To Military

[Charles Stucker]

I notice you keep avoiding questions about your service by the way.......

Remember this is the internet. EVERYONE is a female Russian cosmonaut with multiple PhD's who appeared in the recent Playboy special "Girrrrls (sic) or the Russian Space Corps"

Except for the former Navy Seals.

 

[Foxfyre]

I notice you keep avoiding questions about your service by the way.......

Remember this is the internet. EVERYONE is a female Russian cosmonaut with multiple PhD's who appeared in the recent Playboy special "Girrrrls (sic) or the Russian Space Corps"

Except for the former Navy Seals.

And those of us who are so drop dead gorgeous we were able to cultivate much more exotic professions.

 

[hyakku]

I asked because there have been others (Gunny included) who have stated he's a poser.

You know........Lakin could very well end up being another McVeigh if he's kicked out.........

Yeah, I don't think he is a poser. Maybe a career supply clerk, but not a poser.

As for Lakin, I hope not. You know, I disagree with the President and my oath was to uphold the Constitution. That Constitution says that the President is the CIC. So if I get orders, I go. Simple as that. Unless the order is unlawful, I follow it.

This should end the thread.

Until (and I don't believe this at all) you birthers are proved correct, Obama is the legitimate commander in chief. I didn't support MOST of the Bush Doctrine, but I would never have stood behind soldiers that refused to go to war with him, at least before the revelation that there were no WMD. Even in that situation, despite how much of an egregious error Bush committed in Iraq, until he is charged with something, I couldn't support those soldiers.

If we can't rely on people to uphold certain oaths and laws they themselves agreed to, then the entire fabric of a democracy unravels.

 

[Ravi]

But Lt. Colonel Lakin is a Uniformed Officer. He took a different oath which was this:

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God

The President is omitted from this oath. The Oath of Office is a solemn oath taken by officers of the United States Uniformed Services on commissioning. It differs slightly from that of the oath of enlistment that enlisted members recite when they enter the service. It is statutory (i.e. required by law) and is prescribed by Section 3331, Title 5, United States Code. One notable difference between the officer and enlisted oaths is that the oath taken by officers does not include any provision to obey orders; while enlisted personnel are bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice to obey lawful orders, officers in the service of the United States are bound by this oath to disobey any order that violates the Constitution of the United States.

Let's all be thankful you aren't a marine...in fact, you're a jackass.

From the US Marine Corp Website:

Every Marine’s first commitment

Marines pledge themselves completely to the Constitution of the United States. From the day they enlist and throughout their service, the oath every Marine takes is a promise and a reminder of their commitment to the defense of our nation.

I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME AND THAT I WILL OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED OVER ME, ACCORDING TO THE REGULATIONS AND THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE. SO HELP ME GOD.




Oath - Marine Corps
The second oath doesn't void the first one. Only a fucking imbecile such as yourself would believe being an officer means you don't have to follow orders from above.

For one thing as your continued predillection for irrelevancy demonstrates, if you had any insight to who I was refering to when I posted you would have known I was focusing on U.S. Army Lt. Colonel Lakin and the Oath a Uniformed Officer takes as I mentioned his name. I was not discussing the Marines. That is all.....Dismissed!!!

This thread isn't about Lakin...another fuckwit who is not entitled to shirk his duty.

 

[Ravi]

For one thing as your continued predillection for irrelevancy demonstrates, if you had any insight to who I was refering to when I posted you would have known I was focusing on U.S. Army Lt. Colonel Lakin and the Oath a Uniformed Officer takes as I mentioned his name. I was not discussing the Marines. That is all.....Dismissed!!!

Who the fuck is Lt Colonel Lakin? Your retarded uncle who served in the Confederate Army on the losing side?

If that's the case, then MAYBE we can believe you.

By the way ya sperm belching sewer slut, from when to when did you serve and with who?

Lakin is a whacked out birther who is refusing to orders deploy due to his unfounded belief that the current CIC is not eligible to gve those orders. In my opinion this is the same as desertion and hope the fucker goes to Leavenworth.

On the other hand, who the fuck are you to call a soldiers service into question, squid? US ArmyRetired is as nutty as the day is long, but he has never given me any indication that he didn't serve. Fuck off with your internet tough guy act.

Is it against the law to doubt someone's service?

Perhaps it is because he used to post as David Duke and seems to know nothing about following orders that we doubt him.

 

[geauxtohell]

Sarge, you are treading the edges of sedition. When you sign up, you swear to uphold the Constitution and obey all lawful orders. I have yet to see any of the teabaggers that were intelligent enough to know what an unlawful order consisted of.

Sounds to me like the Oathkeepers are simply another group that likes to hide the nature of Treason under a name.

Sedition? I took an oath to uphold the Constitution, not the Government. The two are not mutually inclusive. One is mandated by the other, but can still abuse that of which I took an oath to uphold. Honoring the oath is not treason.

I have a question regarding a soldier upholding the Constitution:

Do soldiers get to decide when something is Constitutional and when something is not Constitutional?

And if a soldier was to consider (for example) the Healthcare bill un-Constitutional, would that be grounds for them to decide not to investigate a cave in Afghanistan?

The whole brouhaha about "not following illegal orders" is a little over blown. Soldiers and sailors who tried to claim Iraq was an "illegal order" fared poorly.

The military is specifically designed not to be a political body. It is completely inappropriate to use your rank to be involved or advance political causes. Active duty military members may attend political rallies and belong to parties, they can not wear their uniform to the events.

Specifically refusing (or failure to do so) an order has generally gained traction for discrete moments in time (i.e. My Lai) or for events that are so heinous that they shock the conscious and (i.e. Nazi military doctors conducting experiments in concentration camps). When it comes to vague, legal issues or "constitutionality" it's a recipe for disaster.

This has also been the case for the people that used their commissions to try and compel Obama to release the "vault copy" of his birth certificate.

 

[geauxtohell]

For one thing as your continued predillection for irrelevancy demonstrates, if you had any insight to who I was refering to when I posted you would have known I was focusing on U.S. Army Lt. Colonel Lakin and the Oath a Uniformed Officer takes as I mentioned his name. I was not discussing the Marines. That is all.....Dismissed!!!

Who the fuck is Lt Colonel Lakin? Your retarded uncle who served in the Confederate Army on the losing side?

If that's the case, then MAYBE we can believe you.

By the way ya sperm belching sewer slut, from when to when did you serve and with who?

Lakin is a whacked out birther who is refusing to orders deploy due to his unfounded belief that the current CIC is not eligible to gve those orders. In my opinion this is the same as desertion and hope the fucker goes to Leavenworth.

On the other hand, who the fuck are you to call a soldiers service into question, squid? US ArmyRetired is as nutty as the day is long, but he has never given me any indication that he didn't serve. Fuck off with your internet tough guy act.

Another stupid fucking birther officer tubes their career.

 

[editec]

This teaparty movement is no threat to the POTUS.

As long as these people in uniform continue to obey legal authority they are within their rights to express their opinions.

When I was in, and the Viet Nam war was raging, and the people were out on the streets, most of the men I know in uniform were against the war, and hated the CiC, too.

The nation survived, and to the credit of the military, they were pretty tolerant of those of us who were openly opposed to the war and the administration in charge of it, too.

Let that be the case, now.

As long as they're not conspiring to overthrow the government, they are well within their rights.

 

[nraforlife]

IF those in the Military REALLY gave a Damn about the Constitution far more of them would be refusing deployment to the illegal M.E. Wars and would be refusing to train for waging urban warfare against the America People.

As it it the clowns posing for the photo op with Palin are clearly violating the requirement that the Military keep its nose out of politics. Hope they get court martialed

 

[Vanquish]

While it is true that many Tea Partiers are critical of the policies President Obama promotes and the tone of much of what he says, I don't know of any Tea Party groups who are birthers.

Of course it doesn't help the President when he has a Freudian slip in an interview with George Stephanopolis and refers to his Muslim faith nor did Michelle calm the waters speaking to a Gay and Lesbian group this last week in which she referred to her husband visiting his home country of Kenya.

YouTube - Michelle Obama - "My husbands home country, Kenya" - PLEASE MAKE THIS VIDEO GO VIRAL!

YouTube - Obama: "My Muslim Faith"

Ok...today is my day to go ballistic. AquaAthena...now you. You're an asshat of the first order posting this shit again.

You can post that video all you want...but if you ACTUALLY WATCH THE DAMN VIDEO...he doesn't "slip and say he's muslim"...you're spinning what he's saying to the point of being a lier.

People like you make debates turn to partisan quackery.

I don't know what you were listening to, but if he didn't refer, inadvertently, to 'his Muslim faith', then why did Stephanopolis correct him and he then corrected himself?

And thank you so much for neg repping me for stating what he stated in that video. How mature of you.

If those groveling at the feet of Obama can't even handle somebody pointing out how these stories get started and escalated, which is what I did, you really are in a world of hurt with the criticisms hold up, huh.

OK, asshat...let me put it in KINDERGARTEN TERMS for you...

Obama was making the point that McCain had been playing nice and hadn't used the MIS-information about his religion to score points.

By saying "he didn't refer to MY muslim faith"...he was explaining that McCain didn't refer to something that DIDNT EXIST.

It would be like me saying "McCain didn't refer to my Nazi beliefs"...BECAUSE THEY DONT EXIST!! Please please let this get through your brain.

Now, on to the part where Stephie corrects him....which is actually a compliment to you...Stephie apparently wasn't even smart enough to follow the train of thought...and figured he was helping the president. And because an interview is an organic thing...something that if you've ever been a part of one...you'll understand is a give and take...rather than go back and RE-explain what he meant...he just rolled with Stephanopolous' correction.

I really hope you can stop trying to play partisan gotcha and realize the substance of what he was trying to say. He was explaining that McCain didn't refer to his muslim faith because that would have been a cheap shot SINCE HE'S NOT MUSLIM.

Please tell me you can fathom that.

And yes, I neg repped you. This has long since been debunked and you bring such stupid crap like this back up. If you care about your rep - here's a clue - dont be a partisan hack. I share neg reps and positive reps to people of all kinds on this board.

 

[Charles Stucker]

If we can't rely on people to uphold certain oaths and laws they themselves agreed to, then the entire fabric of a democracy unravels.

Yet people, well Democrats at any rate, continue to support Obama despite him trampling the Constitution he swore to uphold.

 

[Vanquish]

If we can't rely on people to uphold certain oaths and laws they themselves agreed to, then the entire fabric of a democracy unravels.

Yet people, well Democrats at any rate, continue to support Obama despite him trampling the Constitution he swore to uphold.

Well the SCOTUS must be helping then...

if Obama's trampling the constitution...that leads to a case or controversy that's justiciable by the courts...

if the courts hear such a case but allow him to continue...either a) he's not trampling the Constitution or b) they're misinterpreting it

...and if they keep doing that over and over...that can't be coincidence.

Thanks for proving that Obama and the Legislature AND the SCOTUS are all in league and out to destroy America

 

[geauxtohell]

Who the fuck is Lt Colonel Lakin? Your retarded uncle who served in the Confederate Army on the losing side?

If that's the case, then MAYBE we can believe you.

By the way ya sperm belching sewer slut, from when to when did you serve and with who?

Lakin is a whacked out birther who is refusing to orders deploy due to his unfounded belief that the current CIC is not eligible to gve those orders. In my opinion this is the same as desertion and hope the fucker goes to Leavenworth.

On the other hand, who the fuck are you to call a soldiers service into question, squid? US ArmyRetired is as nutty as the day is long, but he has never given me any indication that he didn't serve. Fuck off with your internet tough guy act.

Another stupid fucking birther officer tubes their career.

LMFAO. nraforlife with just neg-repped me for this comment. I guess the fucking moron hasn't figured out that repping someone when your rep power is zero is a waste of bandwidth.

Stupid fucking birthers.

 

[bodecea]

If we can't rely on people to uphold certain oaths and laws they themselves agreed to, then the entire fabric of a democracy unravels.

Yet people, well Democrats at any rate, continue to support Obama despite him trampling the Constitution he swore to uphold.

Methinks it is much easier to SAY someone is trampling the Constitution than to actual bring FACTS showing someone is really, truely trampling the Constitution.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Thanks for proving that Obama and the Legislature AND the SCOTUS are all in league and out to destroy America

No. Obama and the Democratic Legislature could care less about America. They are out to get reelected. Period.
They happen to be on the side which presses for ever more socialism. Had they begun their careers as republicans they might be opposed to increased socialism.

The SCOTUS is a bunch of crotchety old lawyers who blindly follow their own political creed and allow it to color their interpretations. They grew up hearing how "Great" FDR was and the most socialist among them never realized they had been chosen specifically so they could reinterpret the constitution to the point it no longer bears even a passing similarity to the original founders intent.

In case the above was too complicated to understand;
The founders wanted to tax the PEOPLE as little as possible.
The founders wanted to avoid a big military.
The founders did not believe in taxing from workers to give handouts to slackers.

Of those three elements the only one to which the Democratic party has been opposed in recent years has been the big military. Even as they use the military for all sorts of odd tasks (bomb Kosovo anyone, Bueller, anyone?)

 

[geauxtohell]

But Lt. Colonel Lakin is a Uniformed Officer. He took a different oath which was this:

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God

The President is omitted from this oath. The Oath of Office is a solemn oath taken by officers of the United States Uniformed Services on commissioning. It differs slightly from that of the oath of enlistment that enlisted members recite when they enter the service. It is statutory (i.e. required by law) and is prescribed by Section 3331, Title 5, United States Code. One notable difference between the officer and enlisted oaths is that the oath taken by officers does not include any provision to obey orders; while enlisted personnel are bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice to obey lawful orders, officers in the service of the United States are bound by this oath to disobey any order that violates the Constitution of the United States.

Lord you are an idiot for repeating this birther stupidity. You should know better.

You think officers don't follow the same chain of command as enlisted men? As a former officer, I find that idiotic.

Furthermore, have you seen the wording of a commission and/or officer promotion?

You guys might want to check it out.

"The President of the United States reposes special faith......"

 

[ABikerSailor]

IF those in the Military REALLY gave a Damn about the Constitution far more of them would be refusing deployment to the illegal M.E. Wars and would be refusing to train for waging urban warfare against the America People.

As it it the clowns posing for the photo op with Palin are clearly violating the requirement that the Military keep its nose out of politics. Hope they get court martialed

Spoken like a true coward who from this post, it is GLARINGLY obvious to even the most casual observer that you know nothing at all about the military.

And.........don't try to claim you've served douche......we won't believe you anyway. You're probably some loser whose waiver didn't go through and you're pissed that you couldn't play soldier, so now you're part of one of them militias.

Way to go bubba.

 

[Foxfyre]

Ok...today is my day to go ballistic. AquaAthena...now you. You're an asshat of the first order posting this shit again.

You can post that video all you want...but if you ACTUALLY WATCH THE DAMN VIDEO...he doesn't "slip and say he's muslim"...you're spinning what he's saying to the point of being a lier.

People like you make debates turn to partisan quackery.

I don't know what you were listening to, but if he didn't refer, inadvertently, to 'his Muslim faith', then why did Stephanopolis correct him and he then corrected himself?

And thank you so much for neg repping me for stating what he stated in that video. How mature of you.

If those groveling at the feet of Obama can't even handle somebody pointing out how these stories get started and escalated, which is what I did, you really are in a world of hurt with the criticisms hold up, huh.

OK, asshat...let me put it in KINDERGARTEN TERMS for you...

Obama was making the point that McCain had been playing nice and hadn't used the MIS-information about his religion to score points.

By saying "he didn't refer to MY muslim faith"...he was explaining that McCain didn't refer to something that DIDNT EXIST.

It would be like me saying "McCain didn't refer to my Nazi beliefs"...BECAUSE THEY DONT EXIST!! Please please let this get through your brain.

Now, on to the part where Stephie corrects him....which is actually a compliment to you...Stephie apparently wasn't even smart enough to follow the train of thought...and figured he was helping the president. And because an interview is an organic thing...something that if you've ever been a part of one...you'll understand is a give and take...rather than go back and RE-explain what he meant...he just rolled with Stephanopolous' correction.

I really hope you can stop trying to play partisan gotcha and realize the substance of what he was trying to say. He was explaining that McCain didn't refer to his muslim faith because that would have been a cheap shot SINCE HE'S NOT MUSLIM.

Please tell me you can fathom that.

And yes, I neg repped you. This has long since been debunked and you bring such stupid crap like this back up. If you care about your rep - here's a clue - dont be a partisan hack. I share neg reps and positive reps to people of all kinds on this board.

And if you were making any effort to be honest instead of working so darn hard to be a total jerk, you would have seen that I did not accuse him of being a Muslim or sayhing that he was. I used the clip as an illustration of how the stories get started in the first place and the reasons they continue to fester.

I could neg rep you for misrepresenting my post and intent. I, however, think people who are blind and stupid should be pitied rather than punished.

 

[nraforlife]

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LMFAO. nraforlife with just neg-repped me for this comment. I guess the fucking moron hasn't figured out that repping someone when your rep power is zero is a waste of bandwidth.

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Nah sweetpea its not the amount that counts but the Thought and the Thought is that you are a worthless leftwing asshole. Hope yer BF buddy gives ya AIDS.

 

[Vast LWC]

Lord you are an idiot for repeating this birther stupidity. You should know better.

You think officers don't follow the same chain of command as enlisted men? As a former officer, I find that idiotic.

Furthermore, have you seen the wording of a commission and/or officer promotion?

You guys might want to check it out.

"The President of the United States reposes special faith......"

Even putting that aside, though it is a good point in it's own right, SERGEANT Gary Stein, the organizer mentioned in the OP, certainly would have taken the oath to obey the President and his commanding officers.