Answers for our future.

[Captain Creeper]

There is going to come a day when we are going to have to rise up against the machines.

 

[g5000]

How is that even sustainable?
Do you understand how much it would be to send checks to most people in this country? Hundreds of billions. Every month. Inflation will skyrocket. But I guess we can cap the costs of everything right? That certainly wouldnt cause any problems.

Since the owners of capital are not adhering to the "trickle down theory" and are choosing to keep all the wealth for themselves, then it will inevitably have to be taken from them one way or another. And it can be done the easy way or the hard way.

There was a time when most Americans worked their asses off over 12 hours a day, six days a week, and had only a subsistence income while their bosses were living high on the hog in the Gilded Age.

The wealthy did everything they could to keep their workers from unionizing and collective bargaining, but the teeming masses eventually won out with help from the government.

And life got pretty good for the workers for quite a while. A middle class was born and expanded.

But now we are returning to a new Gilded Age and the people will tolerate that for only so long.

 

[g5000]

I am surprised we are not already at a 30-hour work week. With AI, that will become inevitable. Maybe even a 20-hour work week.

When America went from a six day 70-hour work week, give or take, to a five day 40-hour work week, we didn't end up with less pay. We ended up with more income and a better life, because as our productivity increased, the owners of capital shared the rewards with their workers.

They aren't doing that any more. Not commensurate with the increase in productivity.

 

[g5000]

The concept of a universal basic income goes all the way back to our Founding. I think most modern day "patriots" are completely ignorant of just how progressive our Founders were.

Thomas Paine propounded a social security system for the over-50 age group, and a universal basic income for everyone over the age of 18.

Thomas Paine. Maybe you've heard of him.

Thomas Jefferson propounded a progressive taxation system and said our legislators could not invent too many devices for breaking up concentrated wealth.

 

[g5000]

There is going to come a day when we are going to have to rise up against the machines.

Yes, we must break into our textile factories and smash those infernal looms!

 

[g5000]

People thought electric typewriters would create massive unemployment.

People thought computers were going to create massive unemployment!

They just didn't have the imagination to see the new worlds new wonders would create.

AI is the same. A new wonder which will open new worlds we can't begin to imagine right now.

 

[TNHarley]

The concept of a universal basic income goes all the way back to our Founding. I think most modern day "patriots" are completely ignorant of just how progressive our Founders were.

Thomas Paine propounded a social security system for the over-50 age group, and a universal basic income for everyone over the age of 18.

Thomas Paine. Maybe you've heard of him.

Thomas Jefferson propounded a progressive taxation system and said our legislators could not invent too many devices for breaking up concentrated wealth.

It was for people that didnt have land. He thought land and natural resources belonged to everyone.

 

[g5000]

It was for people that didnt have land. He thought land and natural resources belonged to everyone.

Jefferson, Paine, and others were adherents to the philosophy of natural rights and the laws of property. This is why Jefferson believed most Americans should be "exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise."

And what do you know, that's exactly the taxation system we have today which modern day "patriots" incessessantly whine about.

 

[TNHarley]

Jefferson, Paine, and others were adherents to the philosophy of natural rights and the laws of property. This is why Jefferson believed most Americans should be "exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise."

And what do you know, that's exactly the taxation system we have today which modern day "patriots" incessessantly whine about.

You cant agree with someone on everything

 

[Slyhunter]

So, you basically want to pay a bunch of people for not working.

most work will be done by machines. They will still need people to give them purpose and direction. The rest of the population will be doing music, art appreciation and women's studies.

 

[Slyhunter]

Wait until there is nobody left who knows how to build the tools to build the tools.

 

[Slyhunter]

That new way is called extinction. The moment that human life no longer has a purpose, the individual becomes nothing, an animated drone with no value to the world.

That might be why we have never discovered Aliens.

 

[Slyhunter]

There is going to come a day when we are going to have to rise up against the machines.

Dune.

 

[Slyhunter]

People thought electric typewriters would create massive unemployment.

People thought computers were going to create massive unemployment!

They just didn't have the imagination to see the new worlds new wonders would create.

AI is the same. A new wonder which will open new worlds we can't begin to imagine right now.

The old die with their old ways to make room for the new.

 

[Independent thinker]

most work will be done by machines. They will still need people to give them purpose and direction. The rest of the population will be doing music, art appreciation and women's studies.

So, you basically want to pay a bunch of people for not working, the socialist dreamland. Don't work and and let the government take care of you.

 

[Slyhunter]

So, you basically want to pay a bunch of people for not working, the socialist dreamland. Don't work and and let the government take care of you.

Kumbaya.

 

[Independent thinker]

Kumbaya.

Well, that hasn't worked out in any socialist country yet.

 

[Slyhunter]

Well, that hasn't worked out in any socialist country yet.

They didn't have slave, A.I. labor.

 

[Woodznutz]

Machines can already replace 11% of our workforce, soon it ill be 100%. The age of Capitalism may be over. The age of needing to have a productive purpose in life to exist, which I always lived by will no longer be there and we will need a new way of doing things. Maybe even Socialism or communism the kind though that doesn't need a human slave labor force to make work.

I have always been a Capitalist. I am now disabled and won't be one of the ones who matter in the future. My way of doing things ill be as obsolete as the Model T. I used to be able to name my price just for knowing how to type 85wpm. Now nobody ccares. COBOL Programmer, again nobody anylonger cares. The old must die with their old ways to make room for the new.

I'd love to watch AI try to do my job. It would be hilarious.

 

[Woodznutz]

There is going to come a day when we are going to have to rise up against the machines.

Hands off my firewood splitter!