Another school shooting....time to arm the teachers?

[Dr Grump]

I'm from here, I live here, and I'm not a raging hoplophobe.

See the difference yet?

I don't hate guns....

Doesn't matter if you are from the US. Your opinion is just as irrelevant as mine. Your political system makes it so...shrug...

No the reason you opinion is irrelevant is that you don't live here and you don't know anything about this country, but only what you allowed to read about us. As I said you don't have a vested interest in America we do. An unconstitutional law doesn't effect you but it does us.

I could literally write thousands of pages of what I know about your country. Maybe 10s of 1000s...

See what IDB said...otherwise you are missing the point.

Absolutely I have a vested interest in the US. Once again, I wish it wasn't true..

 

[Dr Grump]

I'm from here, I live here, and I'm not a raging hoplophobe.

See the difference yet?

I don't hate guns....

Doesn't matter if you are from the US. Your opinion is just as irrelevant as mine. Your political system makes it so...shrug...

A phobia is a fear, doctor. I'm sure you know it and are just avoiding it. Recognizing you have a problem is the first step in solving it.

Your opinion is irrelevant because this isn't your country. Mine is relevant because it is my country. Do I need to make it any simpler?

I don't have a fear of guns.

No, what you need to understand the context of what I'm saying.

 

[Dr Grump]

Not much until they are stopped at a border crossing to get in and out of Chicago. Noodle on that; you might have epiphany.

Ah, the dream of the left; internal passports and travel papers. Random searches on the streets. KGB (DHS) agents ensuring that the police keep a tight leash on the ruled populace.

You are describing almost every right-wing dictatorship that has ever been...and Communist one too, to be fair.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yeah, that's the answer......Just put up a big ******* wall around the city and jack up anybody trying to enter.......All to hell with dealing with the real issues causing the violence.

No wonder libs were so disapointed when the Berlin wall came tumbling down.

LMAO!

Went over your head, too? Knock me over with a feather!

The point is, neither city- nor state-level bans / regs have much impact. Anyone with the resources and desire to buy an expensive fire arm can easily drive to where they can buy one.

Get real, or don't. Your call.

Nothing went over my head, Jethro.....You advocate what amounts to a police state, where citizens must pass through check points before entering their city.....Where they are jacked up and searched for "contraband".....Aaaaaaaaah, the woderful world of communism is such an appealing thought in a free country, eh?

How about we deal with the real issues that are causing the problems?

They sure as hell have nothing to do with limiting citizens rights to keep and bear arms.

That's a huge leap - from having checks and balances in place with regard to firearms, then to a police state...

 

[Dr Grump]

Fact of the matter is, tighter gun laws will do absolutely nothing.....We are in the midst of watching what is no doubt this country's worst generation coming of age, who are the prime perpetrators of these crimes......We are seeing the effects of the X-BOX generation coming of age.......We are seeing the effects of baby mama drama, absentee fathers, and parents who use video games, the internet and TV as pacifiers, instead of actually parenting.....We are seeing the effects of the "every child gets a trophy, whether they deserve it or not" mantra that the liberal left spouts......We are seeing the effects of lousy teachers and school administrators who are too stupid to recognize children with broken minds, or are either to affraid or ignorant to report their concerns.....We are seeing the effects of fully eroding morals in this country, no doubt championed by left wing liberals....We are seeing effects of crap doctors who prefer to just medicate the shit out of broken minded children, instead of trying to get to the root of of the problems. It's just easier that way, and far more profitable.

How do you know if tighter guns laws will not do anything?

As for the rest of your rant, that is nothing but unproven hyperbole...

 

[Dr Grump]

Arming teachers. Moronic.

It would make far more sense, and probably be less expensive, to have armed security in our schools. I don't like that either, but it beats the hell out of arming teachers. I've worked with teachers and prospective teachers for years. Most of them possess neither the willingness nor the inclination for such a responsibility. They are teachers of children, and most have the temperament that accompanies the occupation. As solutions go it has zero practicality.

Armed security is the way to go.....But the real key is adressing the core problems that cause these tragedies.....Restricting gun ownership will do absolutely nothing at all.

The thing is, the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre has turned up the heat on gun control again. But I think I read somewhere that no assault weapons were used in that incident? It was two hand guns the shooter took into the school and apparently he paused in the shooting to reload one or both of those hand guns. The hand guns were powerful and lethal--favored by law enforcement officers--and the shooter used hollow point bullets that inflict maximum damage. But the fact that the 20 children and 6 adults were all killed suggests multiple wounds in most or all.

The police did not have time to get there in time to stop it. An armed security guard or two could easily have been taken out by a proficient and determined murderer. But if a half dozen teachers in that school had been armed, does anybody believe that the shooter would have been able to commit all that carnage before somebody took him out?

Again nobody is suggesting that teachers be intentionally armed. But if the word got out that teachers are allowed to be armed, and there are an unknown number of weapons accessible to the teachers in the schools, there is a high likelihood that the mass murderers would go elsewhere to commit their mayhem. For sure keep the rule to be no tolerance for weapons for the students. That makes sense.

But it also makes sense to stop advertising schools as gun free zones and making them easy pickings for madmen intent on committing violence.

Sometimes I think you guys seriously want to live in a place like Israel. You guys are advocating armed guards in schools? Seriously? I despair for the way your society is going.

 

[Crackerjack]

Too bad you didn't get the chance to ban me before you were escorted out of the mod shack, ain't it?

This is about to kill me, BUT...

Jillian was 100% fair and even handed as a mod. She and I cannot stand each other, but she never took any action that was unwarranted, to the best of my knowledge.

Some of us have better knowledge.

 

[Dr Grump]

too bad you didn't get the chance to ban me before you were escorted out of the mod shack, ain't it?

this is about to kill me, but...

Jillian was 100% fair and even handed as a mod. She and i cannot stand each other, but she never took any action that was unwarranted, to the best of my knowledge.

some of us have better knowledge.

bs...

 

[Crackerjack]

I don't have a fear of guns.

It's obvious that you do. Why else do you go out of your way to trumpet your opinion about what gun laws are in a country literally on the other side of the globe from you?

No, what you need to understand the context of what I'm saying.

I do understand the context. That is why I dismiss your opinion as irrelevant (at best).

 

[Crackerjack]

this is about to kill me, but...

Jillian was 100% fair and even handed as a mod. She and i cannot stand each other, but she never took any action that was unwarranted, to the best of my knowledge.

some of us have better knowledge.

bs...

You have no idea what the **** I'm talking about, shitbreath. Take your "bs" elsewhere.

 

[Wicked Jester]

HY

Fact of the matter is, tighter gun laws will do absolutely nothing.....We are in the midst of watching what is no doubt this country's worst generation coming of age, who are the prime perpetrators of these crimes......We are seeing the effects of the X-BOX generation coming of age.......We are seeing the effects of baby mama drama, absentee fathers, and parents who use video games, the internet and TV as pacifiers, instead of actually parenting.....We are seeing the effects of the "every child gets a trophy, whether they deserve it or not" mantra that the liberal left spouts......We are seeing the effects of lousy teachers and school administrators who are too stupid to recognize children with broken minds, or are either to affraid or ignorant to report their concerns.....We are seeing the effects of fully eroding morals in this country, no doubt championed by left wing liberals....We are seeing effects of crap doctors who prefer to just medicate the shit out of broken minded children, instead of trying to get to the root of of the problems. It's just easier that way, and far more profitable.]

How do you know if tighter guns laws will not do anything?

As for the rest of your rant, that is nothing but unproven hyperbole...

Hyperbole my ass.....We didn't see this shit. happening back in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's....back when parents parented, this country had morals, there wasn't massive baby momma drama, there wasn't violent video games and internet for lousy parents to use as pacifiers, where kids were held accountable, where kids were rewarded for actually deserving it, and on and on and on.......Almost to a perpetrator, these kids who commit these acts share many of the same situations in their lives......Obsession with violent video games. products of inattentive parents or broken homes, etc.

And no, gun restrictions won't work.....Look at Chicago, Norway, Clinton's bans.....It will not work.....If someone is intent on killing, en masse, they will do it by whatever means necessary......Seriously, how many times do poorly educated towelheads in the Middle East use guns and rifles when perpetrating terrorist mass killings?.......Very rarely.

It's about changing the culture in this country, addressing many issues, including those i've listed.

 

[jillian]

Too bad you didn't get the chance to ban me before you were escorted out of the mod shack, ain't it?

This is about to kill me, BUT...

Jillian was 100% fair and even handed as a mod. She and I cannot stand each other, but she never took any action that was unwarranted, to the best of my knowledge.

No. I didn't. I tried to be very careful about that.

Thank you.

 

[jillian]

some of us have better knowledge.

bs...

You have no idea what the **** I'm talking about, shitbreath. Take your "bs" elsewhere.

we all know you're a liar.

but thanks.

 

[Dr Grump]

I don't have a fear of guns.

It's obvious that you do. Why else do you go out of your way to trumpet your opinion about what gun laws are in a country literally on the other side of the globe from you?

No, what you need to understand the context of what I'm saying.

I do understand the context. That is why I dismiss your opinion as irrelevant (at best).

Whoosh..hear that? That's the sound of my points going over your head..

 

[Uncensored2008]

I could literally write thousands of pages of what I know about your country. Maybe 10s of 1000s...

All of it gleaned from Hollywood movies...

See what IDB said...otherwise you are missing the point.

Absolutely I have a vested interest in the US. Once again, I wish it wasn't true..

You're mostly a blowhard, gump.

 

[Dr Grump]

some of us have better knowledge.

bs...

You have no idea what the **** I'm talking about, shitbreath. Take your "bs" elsewhere.

I have every idea what you are talking abouta.
You have proven over and over again that you are nothing but a whiny, cry baby neocon whackjob...Who seems very unhappy with his life...

 

[jillian]

I don't have a fear of guns.

It's obvious that you do. Why else do you go out of your way to trumpet your opinion about what gun laws are in a country literally on the other side of the globe from you?

No, what you need to understand the context of what I'm saying.

I do understand the context. That is why I dismiss your opinion as irrelevant (at best).

really? you sure have lots of opinions about what people should do in iraq and iran and syria and afghanistan and jordan and egypt and france and greece and germany and every other country.

 

[Crackerjack]

bs...

You have no idea what the **** I'm talking about, shitbreath. Take your "bs" elsewhere.

we all know you're a liar.

but thanks.

So it should be easy to prove, right?

 

[Crackerjack]

bs...

You have no idea what the **** I'm talking about, shitbreath. Take your "bs" elsewhere.

I have every idea what you are talking abouta.
You have proven over and over again that you are nothing but a whiny, cry baby neocon whackjob...Who seems very unhappy with his life...

Yeah, yeah, everyone who disagrees with you is a neocon.

 

[Crackerjack]

I don't have a fear of guns.

It's obvious that you do. Why else do you go out of your way to trumpet your opinion about what gun laws are in a country literally on the other side of the globe from you?

No, what you need to understand the context of what I'm saying.

I do understand the context. That is why I dismiss your opinion as irrelevant (at best).

really? you sure have lots of opinions about what people should do in iraq and iran and syria and afghanistan and jordan and egypt and france and greece and germany and every other country.

No, I have opinions about what Americans should do and (mostly) not do in those countries, fuckwit.