Another Rightwing Lie Exposed

[Synthaholic]

It was the Obama administration that shut down the Bucca prison camp. All the prisoners, including Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, if that's even his real name, were remanded to the Iraqi government who later released him.

Thank you!

 

[Dad2three]

Bush had agreement to leave troops in place too...How'd that work out? Was Obama locked in to it?

Horowitz said, that he was released "on Obama's watch", not that Obama personally let him out

Bush never has such an agreement with Iraq.

"The final version shows significant concessions from the U.S. side. For instance, the Bush administration agreed to a total withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2011. The draft and final versions also called for additional restrictions on how U.S. troops conducted missions, and required a pullout from Iraqi urban areas by July 2009."

U.S. Security Agreements and Iraq - Council on Foreign Relations

Bush set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq


On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities "no later than June 30, 2009."


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf




Bush praised agreement as "another sign of progress." Calling the SOFA "another sign of progress," President Bush said in a November 27, 2008, statement, "The Strategic Framework Agreement sets the foundation for a long-term bilateral relationship between our two countries, and the Security Agreement addresses our presence, activities, and withdrawal from Iraq."




Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."

 

[Dad2three]

Bush had agreement to leave troops in place too...How'd that work out? Was Obama locked in to it?

Horowitz said, that he was released "on Obama's watch", not that Obama personally let him out

Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."


On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities "no later than June 30, 2009."

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf

 

[Dad2three]

Bush had agreement to leave troops in place too...How'd that work out? Was Obama locked in to it?

Horowitz said, that he was released "on Obama's watch", not that Obama personally let him out

What agreement was that?

On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities "no later than June 30, 2009."


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf

 

[ClosedCaption]

Frank wants to complain about Obama following Bushs orders

and

Frank want to complain about Obama not following Bushs orders

You cant be mad at both Frank without being diagnosed as a raging sufferer of Obama Derangement syndrome

 

[Wry Catcher]

Obama: ignores his own laws but follows Bush's instructions to the letter

uh huh

Idiot-Gram alert.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bush had agreement to leave troops in place too...How'd that work out? Was Obama locked in to it?

Horowitz said, that he was released "on Obama's watch", not that Obama personally let him out

Word for the day:

FRANK'NPRANK: A non sequitur half-truth wrapped in an Idiot-Gram.

How's the Casino business, Freddo?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Obama: ignores his own laws but follows Bush's instructions to the letter

uh huh

Idiot-Gram alert.

Thats soo FRANK N'PRANK

 

[M14 Shooter]

The lie:

"The head of this band of savages, Abu al-Baghdadi, was released by the Obama administration and started ISIS one year later in 2010."
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The truth:

This whopper has been all over Fox News. The reality is that the agreement to release Baghdadi was signed by President Bush in 2008 as part of the Status of Forces Agreement. In accordance with that agreement, Baghdadi was turned over to Iraqi authorities in 2009 and was further imprisoned in Iraq. Then the Iraqi government -- not Obama -- released Baghdadi from prison in 2010. Another account, uncovered by Politifact determined that Baghdadi might've been released in 2004, five years before Obama's inauguration.
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The funny part?
Nothing in your second 'graph contradicts anything in your first 'graph.

 

[Rotagilla]

The lie:

"The head of this band of savages, Abu al-Baghdadi, was released by the Obama administration and started ISIS one year later in 2010."
​

The truth:

This whopper has been all over Fox News. The reality is that the agreement to release Baghdadi was signed by President Bush in 2008 as part of the Status of Forces Agreement. In accordance with that agreement, Baghdadi was turned over to Iraqi authorities in 2009 and was further imprisoned in Iraq. Then the Iraqi government -- not Obama -- released Baghdadi from prison in 2010. Another account, uncovered by Politifact determined that Baghdadi might've been released in 2004, five years before Obama's inauguration.
​

If conservatives didn't lie they would have nothing to say.

You monitor fox news that closely?...really?

Or is this the latest DNC email they sent to the operatives to push?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bush had agreement to leave troops in place too...How'd that work out? Was Obama locked in to it?

Horowitz said, that he was released "on Obama's watch", not that Obama personally let him out

Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."


On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities "no later than June 30, 2009."

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf

Yes, we know, it's the one and only law Obama felt compelled to carry out to the letter

 

[kaz]

You're trying to change the subject. It's not about policy, it's about the Status Of Forces Agreement that the Bush administration had just completed.

That's not something a new president is going to scuttle upon entering office. If you don't understand this, then you are naive about politics, and reality.

I'm trying to change the subject when you keep calling a libertarian a Republican? LOL. You're not bright enough to debate my views, so you throw out the talking points you know.

Do you have anything that refutes anything I said? I never argued that Obama should or shouldn't do anything or he did or didn't do anything. I pointed out that Fox takes the wrath of the left, NBC reports the same thing and doesn't. And it wasn't even FoxNews, it was a commentator. You may want to google what that means...

 

[BlindBoo]

It was the Obama administration that shut down the Bucca prison camp. All the prisoners, including Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, if that's even his real name, were remanded to the Iraqi government who later released him.

The lie:

"The head of this band of savages, Abu al-Baghdadi, was released by the Obama administration and started ISIS one year later in 2010."
​

The truth:

This whopper has been all over Fox News. The reality is that the agreement to release Baghdadi was signed by President Bush in 2008 as part of the Status of Forces Agreement. In accordance with that agreement, Baghdadi was turned over to Iraqi authorities in 2009 and was further imprisoned in Iraq. Then the Iraqi government -- not Obama -- released Baghdadi from prison in 2010. Another account, uncovered by Politifact determined that Baghdadi might've been released in 2004, five years before Obama's inauguration.
​

If conservatives didn't lie they would have nothing to say.

Abu al-Baghdadi,

In Arabic doesn't that translate to "The Dread Pirate Roberts"?

 

[BlindBoo]

Bush had agreement to leave troops in place too...How'd that work out? Was Obama locked in to it?

Horowitz said, that he was released "on Obama's watch", not that Obama personally let him out

Bush never has such an agreement with Iraq.

"The final version shows significant concessions from the U.S. side. For instance, the Bush administration agreed to a total withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2011. The draft and final versions also called for additional restrictions on how U.S. troops conducted missions, and required a pullout from Iraqi urban areas by July 2009."

U.S. Security Agreements and Iraq - Council on Foreign Relations

Bush set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq


On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities "no later than June 30, 2009."


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf




Bush praised agreement as "another sign of progress." Calling the SOFA "another sign of progress," President Bush said in a November 27, 2008, statement, "The Strategic Framework Agreement sets the foundation for a long-term bilateral relationship between our two countries, and the Security Agreement addresses our presence, activities, and withdrawal from Iraq."




Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."

In all fairness it was the Shia led Iraq Government who set the timetable. Neither Bush nor Obama had much of a choice but to pull the troops.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bush had agreement to leave troops in place too...How'd that work out? Was Obama locked in to it?

Horowitz said, that he was released "on Obama's watch", not that Obama personally let him out

Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."


On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities "no later than June 30, 2009."

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf

"Art 24 1. All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no
later than December 31, 2011.

This Agreement shall be effective for a period of three years

Signed in duplicate in Baghdad on this 17 th day of November, 2008, in the
English and Arabic languages, each text being equally authentic."

The document EXPIRED Nov 17, 2011.

So Obama had to enter into a new agreement

 

[tinydancer]

It was the Obama administration that shut down the Bucca prison camp. All the prisoners, including Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, if that's even his real name, were remanded to the Iraqi government who later released him.

The lie:

"The head of this band of savages, Abu al-Baghdadi, was released by the Obama administration and started ISIS one year later in 2010."
​

The truth:

This whopper has been all over Fox News. The reality is that the agreement to release Baghdadi was signed by President Bush in 2008 as part of the Status of Forces Agreement. In accordance with that agreement, Baghdadi was turned over to Iraqi authorities in 2009 and was further imprisoned in Iraq. Then the Iraqi government -- not Obama -- released Baghdadi from prison in 2010. Another account, uncovered by Politifact determined that Baghdadi might've been released in 2004, five years before Obama's inauguration.
​

If conservatives didn't lie they would have nothing to say.

Misty do you have a link that would refute this data?

This clearly states that the most dangerous prisoners were to remain in American custody. Two locations are mentioned in the link I provided. One was Camp Cropper and the other was Camp Taji which was a joint base with the Iraqis.

I cannot find where the most dangerous terrorists were to be released to the Iraqis.

Baghdadi would have fallen under that classification considering that the US bounty on his head is second only to Zawahiri.

2009

On 17 September 2009 Camp Bucca Closed down Detainee Operations.

The "SUPERMAX" security row known as "Waterfront" manned by the US Navy NPDB (Naval Provisional Detainee Battalion) was in charge of the custody of the most dangerous detainees, and the last to be closed, with Compound 16 having the remaining 180 detainees either transferred to the U.S. military's Camp Cropper detention facility near Baghdad International Airport (BIAP) or to an Iraqi, Navy, and Army manned prison at Camp Taji north of Baghdad.

NPDB 6 was attached to the US Army 306th Military Police Battalion, commanded by LTC Kenneth King. This was the last Navy unit to handle detainee operations in Camp Bucca.

Camp Bucca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[tinydancer]

Bush never has such an agreement with Iraq.

"The final version shows significant concessions from the U.S. side. For instance, the Bush administration agreed to a total withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2011. The draft and final versions also called for additional restrictions on how U.S. troops conducted missions, and required a pullout from Iraqi urban areas by July 2009."

U.S. Security Agreements and Iraq - Council on Foreign Relations

Bush set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq


On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities "no later than June 30, 2009."


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf




Bush praised agreement as "another sign of progress." Calling the SOFA "another sign of progress," President Bush said in a November 27, 2008, statement, "The Strategic Framework Agreement sets the foundation for a long-term bilateral relationship between our two countries, and the Security Agreement addresses our presence, activities, and withdrawal from Iraq."




Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."

In all fairness it was the Shia led Iraq Government who set the timetable. Neither Bush nor Obama had much of a choice but to pull the troops.

Maliki wanted the troops to stay. Obama offered him too few. Iraq wanted 20,000 and trainers.


Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said opponents are lying when they say the Iraqi government did not want a continued troop presence in the country when U.S. combat missions ended in 2011.

The Arizona senator has blamed the current militant Sunni uprising in Iraq on the failure of the United States to secure a status of forces agreement in 2011. He said some Democrats are trying to explain that away by inaccurately claiming the Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki did not want troops to remain.

"Opponents and those who want to justify this colossal failure that has caused the greatest threat to United States's national security since the end of the Cold War, they're trying to justify it by saying that Maliki didn't want American troops there," he told PBS on Wednesday night.

And here is the key to how the negotiations fell apart. And the problem wasn't the Iraqis.

McCain and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) were in direct talks with the Iraqi government at the time, McCain said, and Iraq was ready for a deal before the number of troops the United States proposed leaving fell sharply.

"What Senator Kaine is saying is just totally false," McCain said. "In fact, it's a lie, because Lindsey Graham and I were there."

"The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff himself said that the number of troops that we were proposing cascaded down to 3,000, when it had been recommended to be 20,000," McCain added.

He said Iraq, at that point, determined an agreement “wasn't worth the problem.”

https://thehill.com/policy/international/209887-mccain-opponents-lying-about-iraq-history[/QUOTE]

 

[Bush92]

Bucca prison was first operated by Brit's, then turned over to U.S. and now private Iraqi firm is now building the Basara gateway that location.The Kufan Group: Iraq's Leading Engineering and Construction Company. Obama never had status of forces agreement, but al Maliki was not being cooperative and Iran was pulling his puppet strings.

 

[Coyote]

Coming from someone who lies constantly. You even lied in this article you just posted.

Really, asshole? Please produce some of my "lies".

True or false. Obama was president when this guy was released?

Did Obama release him? That's the rightwing claim.

True or false?

True.

We just covered this. Obama was president when he was released.

If your wife locks up in the basement, and 5 days later, some idiot with a mickey mouse hat on opens the door letting me go... who let me go? The idiot with the mickey mouse hat. But but the wifey might have said you need to let me out! Maybe she signed a paper saying you need to let me out.

Doesn't matter. Ultimately Obama is the one that let him go. It happened on his watch. He is responsible for the policy, if he leaves the policy in place.

Obama let him go. If you are too stupid to figure that out mickey mouse boy, that's your problem.

He was in Iraqi custody when he was released. Using your dubious logic - the Iraqi Government released him, not Obama.

 

[BlindBoo]

Bush set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq


On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities "no later than June 30, 2009."


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf




Bush praised agreement as "another sign of progress." Calling the SOFA "another sign of progress," President Bush said in a November 27, 2008, statement, "The Strategic Framework Agreement sets the foundation for a long-term bilateral relationship between our two countries, and the Security Agreement addresses our presence, activities, and withdrawal from Iraq."




Bush signed SOFA, which "lays out a framework for the withdrawal of American forces in Iraq."

In all fairness it was the Shia led Iraq Government who set the timetable. Neither Bush nor Obama had much of a choice but to pull the troops.

Maliki wanted the troops to stay. Obama offered him too few. Iraq wanted 20,000 and trainers.


Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said opponents are lying when they say the Iraqi government did not want a continued troop presence in the country when U.S. combat missions ended in 2011.

The Arizona senator has blamed the current militant Sunni uprising in Iraq on the failure of the United States to secure a status of forces agreement in 2011. He said some Democrats are trying to explain that away by inaccurately claiming the Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki did not want troops to remain.

"Opponents and those who want to justify this colossal failure that has caused the greatest threat to United States's national security since the end of the Cold War, they're trying to justify it by saying that Maliki didn't want American troops there," he told PBS on Wednesday night.

And here is the key to how the negotiations fell apart. And the problem wasn't the Iraqis.

McCain and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) were in direct talks with the Iraqi government at the time, McCain said, and Iraq was ready for a deal before the number of troops the United States proposed leaving fell sharply.

"What Senator Kaine is saying is just totally false," McCain said. "In fact, it's a lie, because Lindsey Graham and I were there."

"The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff himself said that the number of troops that we were proposing cascaded down to 3,000, when it had been recommended to be 20,000," McCain added.

He said Iraq, at that point, determined an agreement “wasn't worth the problem.”

https://thehill.com/policy/international/209887-mccain-opponents-lying-about-iraq-history

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Ah jeeze McCain? Really? He was there, negotiating?

The same McCain.

A tweet from McCain's account in 2010 stated, "Last American combat troops leave Iraq. I think President George W. Bush deserves some credit for victory."

John McCain Contradicts Himself On Iraq Victory

As Paul Waldman of The Washington Post notes, there is reason to take McCain and other Republicans' criticism of Obama with a grain of salt: they were often wrong about Iraq when the case was being made for the invasion of 2003.