Another Question for those who lie on the Census:

[saveliberty]

By not filling out all the unconstutional answers you force the government to reveal two things. First, they will simply make up information to suit their purposes. Second, it will show how little they really care if the information is accurate.

It occurs to me they get Census information every year when you do your taxes. It shows where you live and how many people are dependent on you (who legally lives at your house). It must be all that other information they hope you will tell them that they really want.

 

[Anguille]

Just fill out the form and stop wasting everyone's time and money with empty, meaningless attempts at political statements.

 

[Valerie]

Census information affects the numbers of seats your state occupies in the U.S. House of Representatives. And people from many walks of life use census data to advocate for causes, rescue disaster victims, prevent diseases, research markets, locate pools of skilled workers and more.

When you do the math, it's easy to see what an accurate count of residents can do for your community. Better infrastructure. More services. A brighter tomorrow for everyone. In fact, the information the census collects helps to determine how more than $400 billion dollars of federal funding each year is spent on infrastructure and services like:

* Hospitals
* Job training centers
* Schools
* Senior centers
* Bridges, tunnels and other-public works projects
* Emergency services

Participation isn't just important—it's mandatory.

How It Affects the Nation - 2010 Census





For those who were questioning the status of full-time students living away at college, the instructions explicitly said NOT to count them as residents of your household because they will be counted as residents of the University.

 

[saveliberty]

Census information affects the numbers of seats your state occupies in the U.S. House of Representatives. And people from many walks of life use census data to advocate for causes, rescue disaster victims, prevent diseases, research markets, locate pools of skilled workers and more.

When you do the math, it's easy to see what an accurate count of residents can do for your community. Better infrastructure. More services. A brighter tomorrow for everyone. In fact, the information the census collects helps to determine how more than $400 billion dollars of federal funding each year is spent on infrastructure and services like:

* Hospitals
* Job training centers
* Schools
* Senior centers
* Bridges, tunnels and other-public works projects
* Emergency services

Participation isn't just important—it's mandatory.

How It Affects the Nation - 2010 Census





For those who were questioning the status of full-time students living away at college, the instructions explicitly said NOT to count them as residents of your household because they will be counted as residents of the University.

Not exactly true:

If You Are A Student Living Off-Campus In An Apartment Or House:
Do include on your census form:

•People living at that apartment or house if they live and sleep there most of the time. This same guidance applies to foreign students; count them where they are living and sleeping most of the time in the United States while attending college.

https://ask.census.gov/cgi-bin/askc...ZwX2N2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MQ!!&p_search_text=counting college students

I know its manatory to tell them how many people live at my house. I'm doing that. Your kidding yourself about all the other uses of the Census. Many other surveys and resources are used in addition to the Census in determining these projects. Every road project has a traffic count every school does a student count.

 

[rightwinger]

The Census is a left wing plot

No self respecting Conservative should participate

 

[Valerie]

Census information affects the numbers of seats your state occupies in the U.S. House of Representatives. And people from many walks of life use census data to advocate for causes, rescue disaster victims, prevent diseases, research markets, locate pools of skilled workers and more.

When you do the math, it's easy to see what an accurate count of residents can do for your community. Better infrastructure. More services. A brighter tomorrow for everyone. In fact, the information the census collects helps to determine how more than $400 billion dollars of federal funding each year is spent on infrastructure and services like:

* Hospitals
* Job training centers
* Schools
* Senior centers
* Bridges, tunnels and other-public works projects
* Emergency services

Participation isn't just important—it's mandatory.

How It Affects the Nation - 2010 Census





For those who were questioning the status of full-time students living away at college, the instructions explicitly said NOT to count them as residents of your household because they will be counted as residents of the University.

Not exactly true:

If You Are A Student Living Off-Campus In An Apartment Or House:
Do include on your census form:

•People living at that apartment or house if they live and sleep there most of the time. This same guidance applies to foreign students; count them where they are living and sleeping most of the time in the United States while attending college.

https://ask.census.gov/cgi-bin/askc...ZwX2N2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MQ!!&p_search_text=counting college students

I know its manatory to tell them how many people live at my house. I'm doing that. Your kidding yourself about all the other uses of the Census. Many other surveys and resources are used in addition to the Census in determining these projects. Every road project has a traffic count every school does a student count.

They use the info and they may use additional info too...Whatever!


The student living on campus or off campus is not counted at their parents' home either way....My son is living on campus and will be counted as a resident of the University.

 

[saveliberty]

How It Affects the Nation - 2010 Census





For those who were questioning the status of full-time students living away at college, the instructions explicitly said NOT to count them as residents of your household because they will be counted as residents of the University.

Not exactly true:

If You Are A Student Living Off-Campus In An Apartment Or House:
Do include on your census form:

•People living at that apartment or house if they live and sleep there most of the time. This same guidance applies to foreign students; count them where they are living and sleeping most of the time in the United States while attending college.

https://ask.census.gov/cgi-bin/askc...ZwX2N2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MQ!!&p_search_text=counting college students

I know its manatory to tell them how many people live at my house. I'm doing that. Your kidding yourself about all the other uses of the Census. Many other surveys and resources are used in addition to the Census in determining these projects. Every road project has a traffic count every school does a student count.

They use the info and they may use additional info too...Whatever!

The student living on campus or off campus is not counted at their parents' home either way....My son is living on campus and will be counted as a resident of the University.

You apparently don't have a problem paying for the information twice and in some cases it is nine year old info (2009 for example). You think that is funny?

 

[Valerie]

Not exactly true:

If You Are A Student Living Off-Campus In An Apartment Or House:
Do include on your census form:

•People living at that apartment or house if they live and sleep there most of the time. This same guidance applies to foreign students; count them where they are living and sleeping most of the time in the United States while attending college.

https://ask.census.gov/cgi-bin/askc...ZwX2N2PSZwX3BhZ2U9MQ!!&p_search_text=counting college students

I know its manatory to tell them how many people live at my house. I'm doing that. Your kidding yourself about all the other uses of the Census. Many other surveys and resources are used in addition to the Census in determining these projects. Every road project has a traffic count every school does a student count.

They use the info and they may use additional info too...Whatever!

The student living on campus or off campus is not counted at their parents' home either way....My son is living on campus and will be counted as a resident of the University.

You apparently don't have a problem paying for the information twice and in some cases it is nine year old info (2009 for example). You think that is funny?

Yes, I think you're funny.

 

[saveliberty]

They use the info and they may use additional info too...Whatever!

The student living on campus or off campus is not counted at their parents' home either way....My son is living on campus and will be counted as a resident of the University.

You apparently don't have a problem paying for the information twice and in some cases it is nine year old info (2009 for example). You think that is funny?

Yes, I think you're funny.

Thank you, but I was talking about the information. A question. What location has the most invested in the student? Personally, I think you should count the kid's parental home as the house of record. If we are truly sending tax dollars to needed locations, the hometown should be funded.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The total number of people arrested in 2000 for that was ZERO. The director has stated the Bureau has no intention of doing that this time either. Why are you employing scare tactics?

I didn't say anything about "arrested". I said if you force them to, they will send law enforcement officials to get your answers. They have the legal power to do so. Just fill out the form and stop wasting everyone's time and money with empty, meaningless attempts at political statements.

US Marshalls have better things to do than get warrants to check on people's residences. You still need a warrant in America. First use fear as a tactic, when you get called on that just start a lie followed by appeal to authority. How about take the Constitutional correct information I gave you and call it a day?

Shockingly, the US Marshal Service does NOT take its orders and priorities from what YOU personally think is "important" or "better to do". And - again shockingly - just because YOU PERSONALLY have decided that the 2010 Census is some piddly little worthless matter beneath the time and effort of federal law enforcement does NOT mean that the federal government agrees with you.

A warrant, huh? And pray tell, how hard do you think it is to get a FEDERAL judge, paid by the federal government, to issue a warrant to enforce the US Census? Duhh, asshole. Someone should have clued you in to the fact that the Wild West is over, as are the days when the federal government thought it was restricted to just the words of the Constitution, which - by the way - does NOT in any way limit the questions the Census can ask. It doesn't even detail the functioning of the Census itself. The actual prevailing law governing the Census is Title 13 of the US Code. Go read it before gasbagging about what the Census can and can't, will and won't do.

US CODE: Title 13,TITLE 13—CENSUS

 

[Cecilie1200]

Legally reside? She is over 18. You'd have to ask her, not the guy living in a house with a wife and a cat. Most of the time her mother claims her on taxes. She rents an apartment across town while attending school. They probably sent a form to that house too. This kid could get claimed legally about three times. Do you want accurate or legal?

One hopes that when they finish clearing the issue up, the legal will give them the accurate.

I'd say her legal residence is wherever she's registered to vote, if she is. It is also most likely the home address she uses on her college forms.

So, you favor accurate. That is great. Care to ponder what they do when they get a 23% return rate and the troops get another 27%? That is right, blind ass guesses which favor metropolitan areas. These in turn legally disputed by said cities for even greater skewed results. Then the party in power redistricts to their best advantage and redistributes wealth to selected constituencies. All one giant game that government wants you to think is for your benefit. I'm a producer of tax revenue for their distribution game.

Is it supposed to impress me in your direction that YOUR refusal to cooperate with the Census leaves them with inaccurate data? Are you imagining that that makes you appear less ignorant and pointlessly pigheaded in my eyes? When you can show me some real accomplishment you've achieved by ******* with the Census data beyond, "I by God showed THOSE fuckers!" come talk to me. Until then, you get all the respect I accord to the half-drunk rednecks in wifebeaters that you currently sound like.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Actually, that's about all I was asked in the form we got at our household.

It did not ask your race?

I didn't realize there were so many Hispanic varieties. I started laughing when I was filling out that portion of the form. And why ask whether you own your home free and clear or are still paying on it? I didn't understand the significance of that question. My first thought is that if you were still paying on the loan and you voted for Obama, it would just magically get paid off.

They always ask that. This is because Census data is used for a hell of a lot more than the "political geniuses" gassing away on the Internet realize. The US Census Bureau, for example, is where businesses turn to for information and statistics when deciding where to build and expand, and what sort of hiring and advertising to do. As such, the question of whether an area of town is largely stable (homeowners) or transient (renters) makes a difference. And this is only one example.

 

[Cecilie1200]

By not filling out all the unconstutional answers you force the government to reveal two things. First, they will simply make up information to suit their purposes. Second, it will show how little they really care if the information is accurate.

It occurs to me they get Census information every year when you do your taxes. It shows where you live and how many people are dependent on you (who legally lives at your house). It must be all that other information they hope you will tell them that they really want.

Or maybe they want information from the people who don't file taxes.

 

[saveliberty]

By not filling out all the unconstutional answers you force the government to reveal two things. First, they will simply make up information to suit their purposes. Second, it will show how little they really care if the information is accurate.

It occurs to me they get Census information every year when you do your taxes. It shows where you live and how many people are dependent on you (who legally lives at your house). It must be all that other information they hope you will tell them that they really want.

Or maybe they want information from the people who don't file taxes.

Seems like they would just send them forms huh? I guess I'd always assumed everyone filed. Then about a year and a half ago, I found two people who screamed about how unfair the government was and how they refused to support it by paying taxes. Over ten years for both of them. It was really hard to process. I'll pay what is due, but I am on the lookout for any handout they want to throw my way now. Because I want it? No, because I want to bring the system down faster.

 

[Cecilie1200]

By not filling out all the unconstutional answers you force the government to reveal two things. First, they will simply make up information to suit their purposes. Second, it will show how little they really care if the information is accurate.

It occurs to me they get Census information every year when you do your taxes. It shows where you live and how many people are dependent on you (who legally lives at your house). It must be all that other information they hope you will tell them that they really want.

Or maybe they want information from the people who don't file taxes.

Seems like they would just send them forms huh? I guess I'd always assumed everyone filed. Then about a year and a half ago, I found two people who screamed about how unfair the government was and how they refused to support it by paying taxes. Over ten years for both of them. It was really hard to process. I'll pay what is due, but I am on the lookout for any handout they want to throw my way now. Because I want it? No, because I want to bring the system down faster.

They DID send them forms, asshat. That's what that document marked "2010 Census" was.

I can't imagine what made you think everyone in the nation files taxes. Probably the same brain glitch that made you think the federal government takes its priority cues from you.

Bottom line remains the same. The Census is legal, Constitutional, and a damned silly, pointless place to try to make a political statement. Just fill out the form and go on with your life, already.

 

[PixieStix]

Does it have to be post marked for the 1st of April?

 

[saveliberty]

I didn't say anything about "arrested". I said if you force them to, they will send law enforcement officials to get your answers. They have the legal power to do so. Just fill out the form and stop wasting everyone's time and money with empty, meaningless attempts at political statements.

US Marshalls have better things to do than get warrants to check on people's residences. You still need a warrant in America. First use fear as a tactic, when you get called on that just start a lie followed by appeal to authority. How about take the Constitutional correct information I gave you and call it a day?

Shockingly, the US Marshal Service does NOT take its orders and priorities from what YOU personally think is "important" or "better to do". And - again shockingly - just because YOU PERSONALLY have decided that the 2010 Census is some piddly little worthless matter beneath the time and effort of federal law enforcement does NOT mean that the federal government agrees with you.

A warrant, huh? And pray tell, how hard do you think it is to get a FEDERAL judge, paid by the federal government, to issue a warrant to enforce the US Census? Duhh, asshole. Someone should have clued you in to the fact that the Wild West is over, as are the days when the federal government thought it was restricted to just the words of the Constitution, which - by the way - does NOT in any way limit the questions the Census can ask. It doesn't even detail the functioning of the Census itself. The actual prevailing law governing the Census is Title 13 of the US Code. Go read it before gasbagging about what the Census can and can't, will and won't do.

US CODE: Title 13,TITLE 13—CENSUS

Gasbaging huh?

Census 2000 Final Response Rates

Welcome to the Final Response Rates site for Census 2000. The national 67% Final Response Rate for Census 2000 exceeded the 65% response rate from the 1990 census and far exceeded the 61% response rate expected for the census.

2000 Census Response Rates

As of Friday, we are at 52% for 2010

Take 10 Map - 2010 Census

So I ask you, did they fine 33% of the households in 2000? Don't remember a single news report of US Marshalls showing up to get Census data. Got a link for that?

 

[Cecilie1200]

US Marshalls have better things to do than get warrants to check on people's residences. You still need a warrant in America. First use fear as a tactic, when you get called on that just start a lie followed by appeal to authority. How about take the Constitutional correct information I gave you and call it a day?

Shockingly, the US Marshal Service does NOT take its orders and priorities from what YOU personally think is "important" or "better to do". And - again shockingly - just because YOU PERSONALLY have decided that the 2010 Census is some piddly little worthless matter beneath the time and effort of federal law enforcement does NOT mean that the federal government agrees with you.

A warrant, huh? And pray tell, how hard do you think it is to get a FEDERAL judge, paid by the federal government, to issue a warrant to enforce the US Census? Duhh, asshole. Someone should have clued you in to the fact that the Wild West is over, as are the days when the federal government thought it was restricted to just the words of the Constitution, which - by the way - does NOT in any way limit the questions the Census can ask. It doesn't even detail the functioning of the Census itself. The actual prevailing law governing the Census is Title 13 of the US Code. Go read it before gasbagging about what the Census can and can't, will and won't do.

US CODE: Title 13,TITLE 13—CENSUS

Gasbaging huh?

Census 2000 Final Response Rates

Welcome to the Final Response Rates site for Census 2000. The national 67% Final Response Rate for Census 2000 exceeded the 65% response rate from the 1990 census and far exceeded the 61% response rate expected for the census.

2000 Census Response Rates

As of Friday, we are at 52% for 2010

Take 10 Map - 2010 Census

So I ask you, did they fine 33% of the households in 2000? Don't remember a single news report of US Marshalls showing up to get Census data. Got a link for that?

Well, that all certainly has jack shit to do with anything I said. But I'm glad to know you can dispute points I never made, or at least convince yourself that you disputed them. First, I never said that US marshals were used to get Census data in the 2000 Census. I said that they have the power to use law enforcement to make you comply if they choose to, and they do. Second, I don't see where "no news reports" means that something didn't happen, and before you give me "I'm sure it would have been news if it had happened", please be advised that what you're sure of is, for me, filed right next to "I think US Marshals have better things to do" in the circular file. What YOU personally think is and isn't important was worthless to me then, and it still is, and likely will be for the foreseeable future.

Until you can dispute that the Census does have the power to call on law enforcement if they wish to - which you can't, because they can - stop wasting my time trying to defend the ludicrous position that 1) you have no legal obligation to fully fill out your Census form, 2) it's a brilliant political statement and blow for "freedom" to send back a partially-completed form, and 3) you will be respected for your Constitutional brilliance in encouraging other people to make the Census more expensive and complicated than it has to be.

 

[saveliberty]

Shockingly, the US Marshal Service does NOT take its orders and priorities from what YOU personally think is "important" or "better to do". And - again shockingly - just because YOU PERSONALLY have decided that the 2010 Census is some piddly little worthless matter beneath the time and effort of federal law enforcement does NOT mean that the federal government agrees with you.

A warrant, huh? And pray tell, how hard do you think it is to get a FEDERAL judge, paid by the federal government, to issue a warrant to enforce the US Census? Duhh, asshole. Someone should have clued you in to the fact that the Wild West is over, as are the days when the federal government thought it was restricted to just the words of the Constitution, which - by the way - does NOT in any way limit the questions the Census can ask. It doesn't even detail the functioning of the Census itself. The actual prevailing law governing the Census is Title 13 of the US Code. Go read it before gasbagging about what the Census can and can't, will and won't do.

US CODE: Title 13,TITLE 13—CENSUS

Gasbaging huh?

Census 2000 Final Response Rates

Welcome to the Final Response Rates site for Census 2000. The national 67% Final Response Rate for Census 2000 exceeded the 65% response rate from the 1990 census and far exceeded the 61% response rate expected for the census.

2000 Census Response Rates

As of Friday, we are at 52% for 2010

Take 10 Map - 2010 Census

So I ask you, did they fine 33% of the households in 2000? Don't remember a single news report of US Marshalls showing up to get Census data. Got a link for that?

Well, that all certainly has jack shit to do with anything I said. But I'm glad to know you can dispute points I never made, or at least convince yourself that you disputed them. First, I never said that US marshals were used to get Census data in the 2000 Census. I said that they have the power to use law enforcement to make you comply if they choose to, and they do. Second, I don't see where "no news reports" means that something didn't happen, and before you give me "I'm sure it would have been news if it had happened", please be advised that what you're sure of is, for me, filed right next to "I think US Marshals have better things to do" in the circular file. What YOU personally think is and isn't important was worthless to me then, and it still is, and likely will be for the foreseeable future.

Until you can dispute that the Census does have the power to call on law enforcement if they wish to - which you can't, because they can - stop wasting my time trying to defend the ludicrous position that 1) you have no legal obligation to fully fill out your Census form, 2) it's a brilliant political statement and blow for "freedom" to send back a partially-completed form, and 3) you will be respected for your Constitutional brilliance in encouraging other people to make the Census more expensive and complicated than it has to be.

Well stomp your feet and pout! Got caught on the US Marshall point and didn't get your way on the Census has to be completed rant. IF the Census folks show up, I'll let other posters here know what happened, since your a disinterested party.

 

[hyakku]

What the ****, i didn't even know lying on the census was a popular tactic of the left or right.

Is anyone really stupid enough to LIE on the census as a political statement? That will only **** your own local district, seriously people what the **** type of crippled thinking is this? I haven't once gotten incensed on this forum yet, but this is just pure retardation and is definitely the first time I think i've felt even a small pang of legitimate anger.

Seriously, i don't care if you're a member of the left or right, if you're not participating in the census as a political message, you should be smacked for ******* stupidity. I understand if you simply choose not to every time, that's fine it's your choice as an american. But if your goal is to lie or abstain in hopes of hurting Obama, you hurt your own local constituency more.

I mean really, LYING on the census to hurt the government? What the ****, maybe i've been lost and removed from society for the past decade or so, but in no way does that idea seem plausible or good.