Another healthy athlete collapses on the ground with chest pain

[Fueri]

Here's Fauci telling the world how this fast tracking would not sacrifice safety or integrity. For those with too short of an attention span or those that just don't want to watch him prevaricate for the duration, those comments start around the 1:30 mark

Fauci Says a Covid Vaccine Can Be Safely Made Quickly

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, says a Covid-19 vaccine can be made quickly and safely. He spoke to Bloomberg's David Westin. (Source: Bloomberg)

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Harpy Eagle]

NCAA player collapses on court during basketball game | Blaze Media

Division 1 NCAA basketball player for Old Dominion, Imo Essien, collapsed on the court during a game against Georgia Southern, leaving fans and teammates in shock.On Saturday, Jan. 7, 2023, the sophomore guard fell onto his backside with 13:13 remaining in the first half. He attempted to get...

www.theblaze.com

Weird.................getting weirder.

This has been happening as long as there has been games being played.

In the past you never would have heard about it if you were not a fan of one of the two teams.

But now every rightwing site is scouring the web for every story and feeding them to you.

Did you hear about the Gator basketball player that collapsed in 2020 when there was no vaccine?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I'm the farthest thing from an anti-vaxxer, but there have been an awful lot of these.

Has there been? Is the number higher now or are we just hearing about them more?

 

[Fueri]

Link?

See post 38.


Trump threw socialist money at big pharma to fast track the vaccine against the advice of Fauci.

He complained about the deep state when there was resistance.

Again, see post 38.


Trump was president. It was his decision to fast track the vaccine.

Here's your link

Dr. Fauci claims credit for vaccines: 'best decision I've ever made'

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, made the comment in an interview with CNN for a special on Sunday, diving into the US pandemic response.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'When I saw what happened in New York City, almost over-running of our healthcare systems, and that's when it became very clear that the decision we made on January 10 to go all out and develop a vaccine, may have been the best decision that I've ever made with regard to intervention as the director of the institute,' Fauci said."

And, again, Fauci said the fast tracking would be just fine, no problem, and Trump didn't test it, approve it or try to mandate it. FDA is responsible for vaccine safety/approval.

 

[scruffy]

WE need massive extra doses in California and NY

Politicians get the first dose.

If they won't take it, neither will I.

 

[scruffy]

I trusted Trump.

You lie

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Has there been? Is the number higher now or are we just hearing about them more?

It could be either of those things. Hence the reason I said it merits a serious look.

 

[Mac1958]

Has there been? Is the number higher now or are we just hearing about them more?

It could be either of those things. Hence the reason I said it merits a serious look.

The problem, as always, is that so many will only believe the "facts" from their end.

It sure would be nice if we could see a public debate on this in which both sides could present their best case and challenge the other in real time, instead of seeing one-sided stories that simply push a political agenda.

Obviously, that applies to any important issue. But we're just no longer up to it.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Here's your link

Dr. Fauci claims credit for vaccines: 'best decision I've ever made'

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, made the comment in an interview with CNN for a special on Sunday, diving into the US pandemic response.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'When I saw what happened in New York City, almost over-running of our healthcare systems, and that's when it became very clear that the decision we made on January 10 to go all out and develop a vaccine, may have been the best decision that I've ever made with regard to intervention as the director of the institute,' Fauci said."

Yeah. Of course he wanted to develop a vaccine. He didn't say anything about fast tracking.

And, again, Fauci said the fast tracking would be just fine, no problem, and Trump didn't test it, approve it or try to mandate it. FDA is responsible for vaccine safety/approval.

When did fauci say fast tracking was ok?

Here is what Trump said in your article.

In a formal statement earlier this month, Trump said: 'I hope everyone remembers when they're getting the COVID-19 (often referred to as the China Virus) Vaccine, that if I wasn't president, you wouldn't be getting that beautiful 'shot' for 5 years, at best, and probably wouldn't be getting it at all.'

'I hope everyone remembers!' he added.

He would not be happy with you. You don't seem to remember.

We probably wouldn't even have the vaccine if not for Trump...yet you flail to deflect any responsibility for him.

That's why many call it a cult.

 

[Catsnmeters]

You lie

Thanks for taking the time to let everyone know you can read my mind.

What number am I thinking of?

 

[Rocko]

It could be either of those things. Hence the reason I said it merits a serious look.

Not really. Most college and professional athletes are vaccinated. How many have suddenly dropped dead without no explanation? When COVID was peaking and we were getting 3000 deaths a day the same people that are antivaxxers were saying what deaths? COVID is not killing anyone. Now the these people are trying to sell us nonsense that everyone is dying because of the vaccines.

 

[scruffy]

The problem, as always, is that so many will only believe the "facts" from their end.

It sure would be nice if we could see a public debate on this in which both sides could present their best case and challenge the other in real time, instead of seeing one-sided stories that simply push a political agenda.

Obviously, that applies to any important issue. But we're just no longer up to it.

Dumbshit, no one gets the facts when they're hiding the autopsy results.

 

[scruffy]

COVID is not killing anyone.

 

[Mac1958]

Dumbshit, no one gets the facts when they're hiding the autopsy results.

Okay, Einstein.

 

[scruffy]

Okay, Einstein.

I'm just y'r average guy.

Which puts you slightly south of average.

 

[Fueri]

Yeah. Of course he wanted to develop a vaccine. He didn't say anything about fast tracking.


When did fauci say fast tracking was ok?

Here is what Trump said in your article.

In a formal statement earlier this month, Trump said: 'I hope everyone remembers when they're getting the COVID-19 (often referred to as the China Virus) Vaccine, that if I wasn't president, you wouldn't be getting that beautiful 'shot' for 5 years, at best, and probably wouldn't be getting it at all.'

'I hope everyone remembers!' he added.

He would not be happy with you. You don't seem to remember.

We probably wouldn't even have the vaccine if not for Trump...yet you flail to deflect any responsibility for him.

That's why many call it a cult.

Why you are still commenting on this is beyond me.

The Bloomberg link I posted has Fauci on video saying that the fast tracking would not sacrifice safety or scientific integrity.

Trump didn't develop, test, or approve the vaccine. He approved the fast tracking of it, which Fauci now says was his best decision, literally ever. We have a horde of agencies at which we throw millions/billions of dollars annually to safeguard the population for the very reason that no single person does any of this, nor could they.

Your entire "Trump is responsible" argument is a specious one at best and is intellectually dishonest at a level that is ridiculous. Find another schtick, as that one is bullshit and has been from the very beginning.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Dumbshit, no one gets the facts when they're hiding the autopsy results.

who are "They"?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I'm the farthest thing from an anti-vaxxer, but there have been an awful lot of these. There is enough circumstantial evidence out there to at least merit an investigation and not simply flat out dismiss every one of these occurrences.

Europe cancelled some of the vaccines for young men due to the statistical numbers showing much higher endocarditis.

Germany, France Restrict Modernaâs Covid Vaccine For Under-30s Over Rare Heart RiskâDespite Surging Cases

Studies indicate the risks of rare heart inflammation following vaccination are very low and much greater for those who contract Covid-19.

www.forbes.com

Now do these countries ignore the science or does the USA?

Actually the Forbes article cited in the OP does not show that the Europeans’ research or actions prove that the U.S. medical Establishment is “ignoring the science.” According to it, European researchers did find the Pfizer vaccine and booster … a safer choice for young men, pointing out that the heart problem was still extremely rare and that getting the Moderna vaccine was still for young men much safer than not getting vaccinated or boosted. More research is being done as we speak.

Talk now about “having an investigation” is mostly political posturing, as the Europeans and Americans are investigating and researching these questions all the time. These are the careful scientific investigations that are necessary to decide best treatment and public health procedures.

In the face of a new virus pandemic like Covid, where potential dangers and ability to mutate were unknown, and are still not fully understood, balancing the need for quick effective vaccines (or treatment procedures) with guaranteed safety to all who take them … was and still is not a simple black and white decision.

It takes time and study even for top experts to know when to propose or adopt different policies, when to introduce new vaccines, to know whether they made correct decisions — and their public statements and policy changes inevitably reflect changing circumstances. Only fools expect 100% safety or 100% percent consistency when dealing with vaccines, medicine administration, or medical judgements from doctors and health experts.

As for politicians, all one can ask is that they try to act responsibly, and in a crisis put their egos aside and subordinate their personal interests to what they believe is the public interest. Of course — as Covid proved — few politicians today succeed fully even in this.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Why you are still commenting on this is beyond me.

The Bloomberg link I posted has Fauci on video saying that the fast tracking would not sacrifice safety or scientific integrity.

I didn't see a video. I just read the article. Cat watch videos at work.

Trump didn't develop, test, or approve the vaccine. He approved the fast tracking of it, which Fauci now says was his best decision, literally ever. We have a horde of agencies at which we throw millions/billions of dollars annually to safeguard the population for the very reason that no single person does any of this, nor could they.

This is up to debate and contradicted by Trump himself.

Who should I believe? What Trump supporters call a known liar or Trump?

Your entire "Trump is responsible" argument is a specious one at best and is intellectually dishonest at a level that is ridiculous. Find another schtick, as that one is bullshit and has been from the very beginning.

Trump was president. He was responsible.

 

[Mac1958]

who are "They"?

He'll never get it.

If some kind of wrongdoing is suspected, it gets verified (or debunked) in the challenge process.

Most adults would understand that.