Another gang banger off the streets

[Care4all]

What was his reasonable cause to believe that...?

the guns of the driver, were under the seat and they found them AFTER they killed the kid.....

it says the back window of the car of the driver had some bullet holes in them,

but it did not say there were shards of glass inside the car from them being shot out 15 minutes earlier,

and it did not say they found the bullets inside the car from the drive by shooting victim that shot them out.

SO WHAT EXACTLY made these 2 boys running a risk to harm others?

That kind of smart-ass reasoning is exactly why a lot of smart-ass n!ggers get shot.

The police believed they had adequate cause to believe the two occupants of the pursued vehicle had just performed a drive-by shooting and were thereby considered armed and dangerous. So when one of these suspects took off running did you expect the pursuing cop to wait for the runner to stop, turn, and either explain his innocence -- or shoot the cop?

The cops had cause to suspect the occupants of the car of a drive-by shooting. By running, that suspect affirmed the cops' suspicion that he was a menace to society.

if the cops really thought the 2 passengers in the car were the shooters in a drive by shooting, why did they leave them in the car alone, so they could flee easily, and only have the driver step out for questioning?

 

[Care4all]

Certainly the cops would have been able to see shards of glass inside the car, if the back window had been shot out 15 minutes earlier....?

 

[MikeK]

if the cops really thought the 2 passengers in the car were the shooters in a drive by shooting, why did they leave them in the car alone, so they could flee easily, and only have the driver step out for questioning?

How do you know what they did or didn't do?

What you do know is those young men did a drive-by shooting, which means they were armed and dangerous. Running while armed and dangerous justifies being shot in the back by pursuing police.

You might not like those conditions but they exist for a very good reason.

 

[MikeK]

if the cops really thought the 2 passengers in the car were the shooters in a drive by shooting, why did they leave them in the car alone, so they could flee easily, and only have the driver step out for questioning?

Not if those two drive-by shooters had managed to remove all the shards by employing the handy vacuum cleaner that all competent drive-by shooters keep in their cars for just such contingencies.

 

[Care4all]

if the cops really thought the 2 passengers in the car were the shooters in a drive by shooting, why did they leave them in the car alone, so they could flee easily, and only have the driver step out for questioning?

Not if those two drive-by shooters had managed to remove all the shards by employing the handy vacuum cleaner that all competent drive-by shooters keep in their cars for just such contingencies.

i'm sorry mike, that's just too too many ''what ifs'', what if this happened or what if it was 'that' which happened....

or what if the kids in the car cleaned up the glass while the driver was escaping from the drive by shooting, because they thought 15 minutes later they would be pulled over by 2 cops?

pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee, spare me.....

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

I think Care4all makes some good points based on logic.

Let's see what comes out in the investigation

 

[Care4all]

whatever happened to the good ole days when cops chased their suspects?

 

[Care4all]

if the cops really thought the 2 passengers in the car were the shooters in a drive by shooting, why did they leave them in the car alone, so they could flee easily, and only have the driver step out for questioning?

How do you know what they did or didn't do?

What you do know is those young men did a drive-by shooting, which means they were armed and dangerous. Running while armed and dangerous justifies being shot in the back by pursuing police.

You might not like those conditions but they exist for a very good reason.

NO!

What everyone knows, is that these three boys DID NOT do the drive by shooting.

We know because the 2 guns in the car found under the seat, were either not fired, with residue present, and or did NOT match the ballistics or even make or model, of the gun or guns, used in the drive by shooting.

What we do know is even though the back window of this car did have bullet holes in it, but there was no chars of glass in the car, showing that it had just been shot out by the victim of the drive by shooter....we know this, because the cops never mentioned that it did.... and they would have mentioned this in the reporting, to let us know the cops had good reason to fear the young men....

What we do know is that when the cops stopped this car, they left the two younger boys in the car, alone....so they did not "fear them" having a gun and coming out of the car to shoot them....

What we do know is that these two young men did not come out of the car and shoot at them, before running like the dickens.

What we do know is neither of the cops saw any evidence of the 3 boys having guns when they pulled them over....certainly they looked around the inside of the car with their flash lights before having the driver come out of the car. And we know in the reporting, it mentioned they found two hand guns under the seat, but that was AFTER they killed the kid.

We know they let the driver go, without any charges, and if these two handguns were illegal guns, or they were a part of the drive by shooting, they would have not released the driver..... PERIOD.


so, this is why I said in my first post on this, we need a better training program for cops, concentrated on the ''when to shoot" and when to not, along with some kind of training to address the subconscious bias and fear they hold towards all black people.... there has got to be a way to keep our policemen safe, while not killing innocent people, who are not armed in any way and not attacking them in any way.

 

[Care4all]

Did anyone read the article? They let the driver of the car they were in, go, after they interrogated him....

that means the drive by shooting, was NOT THEM

And godboy, you ain't no boy of God's.... you are one sick mother.... to cheer the unnecessary homicide, of a child of no threat to the officer....

According to the Post-Gazette, “Pennsylvania law allows police officers to use deadly force to prevent someone from escaping arrest if that person has committed a forcible felony, possesses a deadly weapon or if the person has indicated he or she will endanger human life or inflict bodily injury if not arrested.”

Do you run from the police when you’re stopped?

does running away give any kind of justification for being killed via shot in the back? For goodness sake!

I don't know the details, but, If the laws in Pa. are what they are, I certainly wouldn't be running away.

But Meister, (and welcome back!!!)
the law in Pennsylvania states that the cops CAN NOT shoot anyone for just running away from them....

they have to KNOW they committed a forcible felony.....

And the cops did not KNOW they committed a forcible felony.

or

they have to KNOW that they have a weapon and have seen the weapon and believe the runner is going to harm someone else....which they didn't know that....

or

the runner tried to lethally harm them, before they ran....which the boys did not.

From sitting here, and what we have read so far, it does NOT appear these boys fleeing, met any of those 3 exceptions to be able to shoot a person fleeing.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Did anyone read the article? They let the driver of the car they were in, go, after they interrogated him....

that means the drive by shooting, was NOT THEM

And godboy, you ain't no boy of God's.... you are one sick mother.... to cheer the unnecessary homicide, of a child of no threat to the officer....

According to the Post-Gazette, “Pennsylvania law allows police officers to use deadly force to prevent someone from escaping arrest if that person has committed a forcible felony, possesses a deadly weapon or if the person has indicated he or she will endanger human life or inflict bodily injury if not arrested.”

Do you run from the police when you’re stopped?

does running away give any kind of justification for being killed via shot in the back? For goodness sake!

I don't know the details, but, If the laws in Pa. are what they are, I certainly wouldn't be running away.

But Meister, (and welcome back!!!)
the law in Pennsylvania states that the cops CAN NOT shoot anyone for just running away from them....

they have to KNOW they committed a forcible felony.....

And the cops did not KNOW they committed a forcible felony.

or

they have to KNOW that they have a weapon and have seen the weapon and believe the runner is going to harm someone else....which they didn't know that....

or

the runner tried to lethally harm them, before they ran....which the boys did not.

From sitting here, and what we have read so far, it does NOT appear these boys fleeing, met any of those 3 exceptions to be able to shoot a person fleeing.

You privy to the prosecution's evidence? Who died and left you judge?

 

[Deno]

Did anyone read the article? They let the driver of the car they were in, go, after they interrogated him....

that means the drive by shooting, was NOT THEM

And godboy, you ain't no boy of God's.... you are one sick mother.... to cheer the unnecessary homicide, of a child of no threat to the officer....

According to the Post-Gazette, “Pennsylvania law allows police officers to use deadly force to prevent someone from escaping arrest if that person has committed a forcible felony, possesses a deadly weapon or if the person has indicated he or she will endanger human life or inflict bodily injury if not arrested.”

Do you run from the police when you’re stopped?

does running away give any kind of justification for being killed via shot in the back? For goodness sake!

It does if you are a danger to decent people....

 

[saveliberty]

Did anyone read the article? They let the driver of the car they were in, go, after they interrogated him....

that means the drive by shooting, was NOT THEM

And godboy, you ain't no boy of God's.... you are one sick mother.... to cheer the unnecessary homicide, of a child of no threat to the officer....

According to the Post-Gazette, “Pennsylvania law allows police officers to use deadly force to prevent someone from escaping arrest if that person has committed a forcible felony, possesses a deadly weapon or if the person has indicated he or she will endanger human life or inflict bodily injury if not arrested.”

Do you run from the police when you’re stopped?

does running away give any kind of justification for being killed via shot in the back? For goodness sake!

Did you not just quote Pennsylvania law Care? Last time I checked a law gives you justification.

 

[Care4all]

Did anyone read the article? They let the driver of the car they were in, go, after they interrogated him....

that means the drive by shooting, was NOT THEM

And godboy, you ain't no boy of God's.... you are one sick mother.... to cheer the unnecessary homicide, of a child of no threat to the officer....

According to the Post-Gazette, “Pennsylvania law allows police officers to use deadly force to prevent someone from escaping arrest if that person has committed a forcible felony, possesses a deadly weapon or if the person has indicated he or she will endanger human life or inflict bodily injury if not arrested.”

Do you run from the police when you’re stopped?

does running away give any kind of justification for being killed via shot in the back? For goodness sake!

It does if you are a danger to decent people....

how was he a danger to other people? Had the cop seen him with a gun? Did the boys try to attack him or shoot at him, before they ran?

 

[saveliberty]

how was he a danger to other people? Had the cop seen him with a gun? Did the boys try to attack him or shoot at him, before they ran?

How about this? A car matching the description of the one stopped was involved in a driveby shooting. You stop the car and the occupants bolt. You can wait to shoot until they shot at you or use your state granted right to fire. Later, you discover two guns in the stopped car. Do you want officers to be shot at first? Is that it?

 

[Deno]

Did anyone read the article? They let the driver of the car they were in, go, after they interrogated him....

that means the drive by shooting, was NOT THEM

And godboy, you ain't no boy of God's.... you are one sick mother.... to cheer the unnecessary homicide, of a child of no threat to the officer....

According to the Post-Gazette, “Pennsylvania law allows police officers to use deadly force to prevent someone from escaping arrest if that person has committed a forcible felony, possesses a deadly weapon or if the person has indicated he or she will endanger human life or inflict bodily injury if not arrested.”

Do you run from the police when you’re stopped?

does running away give any kind of justification for being killed via shot in the back? For goodness sake!

It does if you are a danger to decent people....

how was he a danger to other people? Had the cop seen him with a gun? Did the boys try to attack him or shoot at him, before they ran?

I said it does if you are a danger to decent people.

If the kid turns out to be innocent this will truly be a shame.

People like you are always to quick to blame the police.

While on the other people like me are quick to defend them.

The simple fact is if you do what the police tell you odds

are you won’t get shot. The police deal with a lot of scum.

It may not be right in a perfect world but I can understand

when and if cops do in fact make mistakes.

 

[Care4all]

Did anyone read the article? They let the driver of the car they were in, go, after they interrogated him....

that means the drive by shooting, was NOT THEM

And godboy, you ain't no boy of God's.... you are one sick mother.... to cheer the unnecessary homicide, of a child of no threat to the officer....

According to the Post-Gazette, “Pennsylvania law allows police officers to use deadly force to prevent someone from escaping arrest if that person has committed a forcible felony, possesses a deadly weapon or if the person has indicated he or she will endanger human life or inflict bodily injury if not arrested.”

Do you run from the police when you’re stopped?

does running away give any kind of justification for being killed via shot in the back? For goodness sake!

Did you not just quote Pennsylvania law Care? Last time I checked a law gives you justification.

no.

It is against the law for Penn police to kill a man running away, with only 3 exceptions....

And it looks like none of those exceptions were met....

 

[Care4all]

Did anyone read the article? They let the driver of the car they were in, go, after they interrogated him....

that means the drive by shooting, was NOT THEM

And godboy, you ain't no boy of God's.... you are one sick mother.... to cheer the unnecessary homicide, of a child of no threat to the officer....

According to the Post-Gazette, “Pennsylvania law allows police officers to use deadly force to prevent someone from escaping arrest if that person has committed a forcible felony, possesses a deadly weapon or if the person has indicated he or she will endanger human life or inflict bodily injury if not arrested.”

Do you run from the police when you’re stopped?

does running away give any kind of justification for being killed via shot in the back? For goodness sake!

It does if you are a danger to decent people....

how was he a danger to other people? Had the cop seen him with a gun? Did the boys try to attack him or shoot at him, before they ran?

I said it does if you are a danger to decent people.

If the kid turns out to be innocent this will truly be a shame.

People like you are always to quick to blame the police.

While on the other people like me are quick to defend them.

The simple fact is if you do what the police tell you odds

are you won’t get shot. The police deal with a lot of scum.

It may not be right in a perfect world but I can understand

when and if cops do in fact make mistakes.

But how do you or anyone, come to the conclusion that others were in danger of physical harm from the person fleeing....?

Fleeing alone, according to the law, is not enough of a reason.

The kids running did not have guns and the cops never saw them with a gun, and a gun was never used on them and they were never threatened by the kids.....

so what exactly made these kids so dangerous, that they were an exception on the list of exceptions, and could legally be killed by these cops?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Did anyone read the article? They let the driver of the car they were in, go, after they interrogated him....

that means the drive by shooting, was NOT THEM

And godboy, you ain't no boy of God's.... you are one sick mother.... to cheer the unnecessary homicide, of a child of no threat to the officer....

According to the Post-Gazette, “Pennsylvania law allows police officers to use deadly force to prevent someone from escaping arrest if that person has committed a forcible felony, possesses a deadly weapon or if the person has indicated he or she will endanger human life or inflict bodily injury if not arrested.”

Do you run from the police when you’re stopped?

does running away give any kind of justification for being killed via shot in the back? For goodness sake!

It does if you are a danger to decent people....

how was he a danger to other people? Had the cop seen him with a gun? Did the boys try to attack him or shoot at him, before they ran?

That all remains to be known even though you have your mind made up already.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Did anyone read the article? They let the driver of the car they were in, go, after they interrogated him....

that means the drive by shooting, was NOT THEM

And godboy, you ain't no boy of God's.... you are one sick mother.... to cheer the unnecessary homicide, of a child of no threat to the officer....

According to the Post-Gazette, “Pennsylvania law allows police officers to use deadly force to prevent someone from escaping arrest if that person has committed a forcible felony, possesses a deadly weapon or if the person has indicated he or she will endanger human life or inflict bodily injury if not arrested.”

Do you run from the police when you’re stopped?

does running away give any kind of justification for being killed via shot in the back? For goodness sake!

Did you not just quote Pennsylvania law Care? Last time I checked a law gives you justification.

no.

It is against the law for Penn police to kill a man running away, with only 3 exceptions....

And it looks like none of those exceptions were met....

Based on your biased source that reinforces your anti-cop bigotry.
Anyone who asks to wait for evidence in a case like this becomes a racist to you.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

But how do you or anyone, come to the conclusion that others were in danger of physical harm from the person fleeing....?

You’re the one drawing the conclusion.