ICE lied. Again.

[Hafar1014]

Undocumented immigrants commit less crime than native born Americans.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf

False they create more crime as a percentage of their population. Their crime rate is higher. As an example look at the criminal fraud in Minn.

 

[Marener]

Ok

False they create more crime as a percentage of their population. Their crime rate is higher. As an example look at the criminal fraud in Minn.

Your source? “Because I said so” isn’t a source.

 

[Hafar1014]

Ok

Your source? “Because I said so” isn’t a source.

https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118126/documents/HHRG-119-JU01-20250409-SD003-U3.pdf

Illegals are in prison 5 times greater than citizens

 

[Marener]

https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118126/documents/HHRG-119-JU01-20250409-SD003-U3.pdf

Illegals are in prison 5 times greater than citizens

Nope.

https://www.cato.org/blog/state-criminal-alien-assistance-program-scaap-data-still-show-illegal-immigrants-have-low

 

[Hafar1014]

Nope.

https://www.cato.org/blog/state-criminal-alien-assistance-program-scaap-data-still-show-illegal-immigrants-have-low

So why does crime drop after they are deported? Also consider the massive fraud we see in Minn and many other states by illegals.
But just to show how dumb your point is why import more crime dont we have enough. If one is illegal then they are all criminals

 

[Marener]

So why does crime drop after they are deported? Also consider the massive fraud we see in Minn and many other states by illegals.
But just to show how dumb your point is why import more crime dont we have enough. If one is illegal then they are all criminals

Crime goes up and down all the time for all kinds of reasons. Crime peaked in the late 80s and fell dramatically in the 90s and 2000s, a period of time during which the illegal alien population increases by a factor of 3-4.

 

[luiza]

ICE lied. Again.​

DeCrappitus unconsciously writing her life story .

Her moving finger writes and unwittingly reveals her secrets

 

[Correll]

You edit out any discussion about repercussions for this action because you can’t deal with the implications of this. This administration will prioritize their policy agenda over adherence to the law.

No, I edited it out, becasue I don't care.

There are no implications to this incident. You want there to be, because you are on the side of the illegals AGAINST the side of America.

Your opinion of me doesn’t matter. I don’t care. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re just angry and lashing out because you’re an angry individual.

I didn't make my point about your motivations because I was trying to hurt your feelings.

I made my point about your motivation because you are operating under a false pretense of arguing in favor of better law enforcement,

when you are on the side of the invaders.

That's the point.

That is why you are avoiding answering my questions.

Because the answers would prove my point.

 

[Marener]

No, I edited it out, becasue I don't care.

There are no implications to this incident. You want there to be, because you are on the side of the illegals AGAINST the side of America.

I suspected you didn’t care, and I suspect the Trump administration doesn’t care either. That’s my whole point. There are implications to the fact that you don’t care. The implication is that the law is secondary to the policy.

Shooting someone and covering it up doesn’t matter to you. You don’t care. You do care about deporting illegal aliens and violating civil rights doesn’t matter when it’s done in pursuit of the agenda.

I didn't make my point about your motivations because I was trying to hurt your feelings.

I made my point about your motivation because you are operating under a false pretense of arguing in favor of better law enforcement,

when you are on the side of the invaders.

That's the point.

Nah, it’s just emotional outbursts. Your emotional language demonstrates how you approach this issue.

That is why you are avoiding answering my questions.

Because the answers would prove my point.

You don’t seem to be asking questions, not in any honest way. You seem to be demanding I confirm your prejudice. Sorry I won’t do that. I’ve been clear all along. You just don’t like my answers.

Anyone who defends the government violating civil rights is an authoritarian. This administration is doing it a lot.

 

[Correll]

I suspected you didn’t care, and I suspect the Trump administration doesn’t care either. That’s my whole point. There are implications to the fact that you don’t care. The implication is that the law is secondary to the policy.

You don't have to "suspect", you can just ask me. I will tell you that I don't care.

And there is no implication that "law is secondary to policy".

There is an implication that you are arguing in favor of law.

But it is a FALSE implication. You are LYING.

You are here, in this thread, because you are loyal to the invaders, and hostile to AMERICA and AMERICANS, especially the white ones.

Shooting someone and covering it up doesn’t matter to you. You don’t care. You do care about deporting illegal aliens and violating civil rights doesn’t matter when it’s done in pursuit of the agenda.

Why didn't the invader open the car door? Do you care about the fact that he was resisting arrest?

Nah, it’s just emotional outbursts. Your emotional language demonstrates how you approach this issue.

Shit talk, in defense of playing dumb to hide from a point that you can't refute.

You don’t seem to be asking questions, not in any honest way. You seem to be demanding I confirm your prejudice. Sorry I won’t do that. I’ve been clear all along. You just don’t like my answers.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

The underlyine principles of modern liberalism is based on the universiality of... social movements and "social justice".

You see this issue in the context of historical colonization and not law enforcement. YOu are thus LYING, when you are pretending that your goal here is better law enforcement.

Your goal is to help fight colonialism.

Anyone who defends the government violating civil rights is an authoritarian. This administration is doing it a lot.

No, it's not. What was violating rights a lot, was and still is, teh invasion of this country by the third world.

That is a violation of the rights of EVERY AMERICAN, to have SELF DETERMINATION.

And you don't give a **** about that, because you are an anti-American lefty.

 

[Marener]

You don't have to "suspect", you can just ask me. I will tell you that I don't care.

And there is no implication that "law is secondary to policy".

There is an implication that you are arguing in favor of law.

But it is a FALSE implication. You are LYING.

You are here, in this thread, because you are loyal to the invaders, and hostile to AMERICA and AMERICANS, especially the white ones.


Why didn't the invader open the car door? Do you care about the fact that he was resisting arrest?






Shit talk, in defense of playing dumb to hide from a point that you can't refute.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

The underlyine principles of modern liberalism is based on the universiality of... social movements and "social justice".

You see this issue in the context of historical colonization and not law enforcement. YOu are thus LYING, when you are pretending that your goal here is better law enforcement.

Your goal is to help fight colonialism.




No, it's not. What was violating rights a lot, was and still is, teh invasion of this country by the third world.

That is a violation of the rights of EVERY AMERICAN, to have SELF DETERMINATION.

And you don't give a **** about that, because you are an anti-American lefty.

Why don’t you care about this administration violating civil rights?

I don’t know what you mean by illegal immigrants violating the right to self determination.

 

[Correll]

Why don’t you care about this administration violating civil rights?

I don’t know what you mean by illegal immigrants violating the right to self determination.

In your mind, do Americans citizens have the right to self determination?

 

[Marener]

In your mind, do Americans citizens have the right to self determination?

Because you’re so persnickety, I want to be sure we are talking about the same thing. What exactly do you mean by “self determination”? I’m used to seeing this term in context of the citizens of a country electing and controlling their own government. Yes, we have that (or at least we should, lord knows people have tried to deprive us of this in the past).

Or are you talking about personal self determination? Yes we have that too, but within the limitations of constitutionally valid laws that do limit what we can do.

 

[Correll]

Because you’re so persnickety, I want to be sure we are talking about the same thing. What exactly do you mean by “self determination”? I’m used to seeing this term in context of the citizens of a country electing and controlling their own government. Yes, we have that (or at least we should, lord knows people have tried to deprive us of this in the past).
....

Yes.

Now, the millions of illegals that have poured into this country against our wishes, are entering our community without our permission, violating our right to self determination.

Just by being here,

but ALSO, because their descedants will vote and take away power from the preexisting citizens, who thus have their right to self determination taken away.


You support this, on both levels.

 

[Marener]

Yes.

Now, the millions of illegals that have poured into this country against our wishes, are entering our community without our permission, violating our right to self determination.

Just by being here,

but ALSO, because their descedants will vote and take away power from the preexisting citizens, who thus have their right to self determination taken away.


You support this, on both levels.

I reject this logic.

First, you don’t explain how the presence of illegal aliens takes away our right to self determination just by being here.

Second, birthright citizenship is in our constitution. You can’t say that citizens of this country are taking away self determination because that right belongs to citizens. You seem to want to make two classes of Americans which is something we’ve been seeing from the more alarming segments of MAGA, specifically with Vance who I believe has used the term “heritage Americans”.

 

[Correll]

I reject this logic.

First, you don’t explain how the presence of illegal aliens takes away our right to self determination just by being here.

Self determination means control over who we invite to be part of our community.

Forcable invasion, violates that, on a massive scale.

And you are on the side OPPOSITE, our rights.

Second, birthright citizenship is in our constitution. You can’t say that citizens of this country are taking away self determination because that right belongs to citizens. You seem to want to make two classes of Americans which is something we’ve been seeing from the more alarming segments of MAGA, specifically with Vance who I believe has used the term “heritage Americans”.

The mostly hispanic American citizens, born from the previous generations of illegalsl,

do they have the RIGHT to want and advocate for, immigration policy that empowers them and their interests at the expense of say, old white people?

 

[sartre play]

What I want is honesty & effort from both political party's
towards a more balanced approach to just about everything.

 

[Correll]

What I want is honesty & effort from both political party's
towards a more balanced approach to just about everything.

The current immigration policy has been designed to **** American workers and American communities to benefit employers and the dems.

I certainly do NOT want a "balanced" approach to that.

I want to crush those assholes, ie the dems that did that, and the employers that used that to **** Americans.

Not balance. I want to change the rules to benefit AMERICANS, and **** over the illegals, the employers and the dems.

And the harder they get fucked, the better.