Andrew Brunson , the fake pastor in Turkey is now released.

[Sunni Man]

Just my opinion , they are 'muslim' with a different world view of the world then the West . And as i told JoeB i have read in the last few years that 'edrogen' wants to do away with a non secular 'turkey' . And even if they were to continue as secular , well , they are still yuge majority 'muslim' so unsuitable for 'nato' Sunni .

They are geographically part of Europe, a secular Democracy that holds free elections, and aren't known to be a sponsor of terrorism.

Also, Turkey has fought along side American troops under the NATO flag since the Korean war in 1950. ...

 

[Rustic]

concerning a possible COUP . What is wrong with a Coup in Turkey ??

That whoever might take over would be worse.

Here's the thing, Turkey has since WWI, been a secular state. There have been numerous military coups whenever the popularly elected government got too religious, and that's what they tried to do against Erogdan and failed.

Once again, this is another example of how we keep sticking our hands in the hornet's nest and complain about getting stung by the bigger, meaner hornet.

Lol
True, they are a “secular state”... But that doesn’t change the fact there are a lot of fucking Muslims there

 

[Rustic]

thing is that Edrojen has been going 'muslim' [or nonsecular] for awhile now from what i read and hear. Agree about the secular up until 'edrojen' but i think thats changing . Just my opinion but the 'turks' shouldn't be in 'nato' Joe B .

Maybe.. except they've been loyal members for a long time. I think the real issue is what is the purpose of NATO at this point, 30 years after the USSR collapsed?

The thing is, Turkey has lived up to every commitment in NATO. They even went along with Afghanistan. They didn't go along with Iraq, but neither did NATO and everyone agrees now that was a horrible idea.

The real problem is that the "War on Terror" has kind of morphed into a "War on Islam", and the average Turk says, "Hey, wait, we're Muslims!"

Islam/Muslims Same difference the most violent people on the planet

 

[peach174]

He was convicted with no creditable evidence and was under house arrest.

Apparently there was enough evidence to convict him at his trial. ...

What was that evidence?
Do you know?
I don't.

 

[peach174]

thing is that Edrojen has been going 'muslim' [or nonsecular] for awhile now from what i read and hear. Agree about the secular up until 'edrojen' but i think thats changing . Just my opinion but the 'turks' shouldn't be in 'nato' Joe B .

Maybe.. except they've been loyal members for a long time. I think the real issue is what is the purpose of NATO at this point, 30 years after the USSR collapsed?

The thing is, Turkey has lived up to every commitment in NATO. They even went along with Afghanistan. They didn't go along with Iraq, but neither did NATO and everyone agrees now that was a horrible idea.

The real problem is that the "War on Terror" has kind of morphed into a "War on Islam", and the average Turk says, "Hey, wait, we're Muslims!"

Islam/Muslims Same difference the most violent people on the planet

thing is that Edrojen has been going 'muslim' [or nonsecular] for awhile now from what i read and hear. Agree about the secular up until 'edrojen' but i think thats changing . Just my opinion but the 'turks' shouldn't be in 'nato' Joe B .

Maybe.. except they've been loyal members for a long time. I think the real issue is what is the purpose of NATO at this point, 30 years after the USSR collapsed?

The thing is, Turkey has lived up to every commitment in NATO. They even went along with Afghanistan. They didn't go along with Iraq, but neither did NATO and everyone agrees now that was a horrible idea.

The real problem is that the "War on Terror" has kind of morphed into a "War on Islam", and the average Turk says, "Hey, wait, we're Muslims!"

Islam/Muslims Same difference the most violent people on the planet

thing is that Edrojen has been going 'muslim' [or nonsecular] for awhile now from what i read and hear. Agree about the secular up until 'edrojen' but i think thats changing . Just my opinion but the 'turks' shouldn't be in 'nato' Joe B .

Maybe.. except they've been loyal members for a long time. I think the real issue is what is the purpose of NATO at this point, 30 years after the USSR collapsed?

The thing is, Turkey has lived up to every commitment in NATO. They even went along with Afghanistan. They didn't go along with Iraq, but neither did NATO and everyone agrees now that was a horrible idea.

The real problem is that the "War on Terror" has kind of morphed into a "War on Islam", and the average Turk says, "Hey, wait, we're Muslims!"

Islam/Muslims Same difference the most violent people on the planet

It's the radicals who are violent, not all Muslims.

 

[Sunni Man]

What was that evidence?
Do you know?
I don't.

Andrew Brunson - Wikipedia ....

 

[JoeB131]

YEP , when its all said and done --- yep , they is 'muslim' JoeB .

so what?

Again, Islam isn't our problem in that region. Our problem is that we've picked up where the European Imperialists left off, and we are wondering why they aren't cool with that.

We stick our dicks in a hornet's nest and complain about getting stung.

How about not sticking our dicks in a hornet's nest. That would be a good start.

 

[pismoe]

aw well, The problem is 'muslims' and they are a worldwide problem for you younger guys and your kids JoeB .

 

[peach174]

What was that evidence?
Do you know?
I don't.

Andrew Brunson - Wikipedia ....

Says the same thing, no real creditable evidence.

 

[Sunni Man]

America, along with some of its allies, has been over throwing governments and installing and supporting brutal puppet dictators with money and weapons in Middle East countries for over a century.

And the clueless American people can't seem to figure out why they are soo hated by the average citizen's of the region. ....

 

[Rustic]

thing is that Edrojen has been going 'muslim' [or nonsecular] for awhile now from what i read and hear. Agree about the secular up until 'edrojen' but i think thats changing . Just my opinion but the 'turks' shouldn't be in 'nato' Joe B .

Maybe.. except they've been loyal members for a long time. I think the real issue is what is the purpose of NATO at this point, 30 years after the USSR collapsed?

The thing is, Turkey has lived up to every commitment in NATO. They even went along with Afghanistan. They didn't go along with Iraq, but neither did NATO and everyone agrees now that was a horrible idea.

The real problem is that the "War on Terror" has kind of morphed into a "War on Islam", and the average Turk says, "Hey, wait, we're Muslims!"

Islam/Muslims Same difference the most violent people on the planet

thing is that Edrojen has been going 'muslim' [or nonsecular] for awhile now from what i read and hear. Agree about the secular up until 'edrojen' but i think thats changing . Just my opinion but the 'turks' shouldn't be in 'nato' Joe B .

Maybe.. except they've been loyal members for a long time. I think the real issue is what is the purpose of NATO at this point, 30 years after the USSR collapsed?

The thing is, Turkey has lived up to every commitment in NATO. They even went along with Afghanistan. They didn't go along with Iraq, but neither did NATO and everyone agrees now that was a horrible idea.

The real problem is that the "War on Terror" has kind of morphed into a "War on Islam", and the average Turk says, "Hey, wait, we're Muslims!"

Islam/Muslims Same difference the most violent people on the planet

thing is that Edrojen has been going 'muslim' [or nonsecular] for awhile now from what i read and hear. Agree about the secular up until 'edrojen' but i think thats changing . Just my opinion but the 'turks' shouldn't be in 'nato' Joe B .

Maybe.. except they've been loyal members for a long time. I think the real issue is what is the purpose of NATO at this point, 30 years after the USSR collapsed?

The thing is, Turkey has lived up to every commitment in NATO. They even went along with Afghanistan. They didn't go along with Iraq, but neither did NATO and everyone agrees now that was a horrible idea.

The real problem is that the "War on Terror" has kind of morphed into a "War on Islam", and the average Turk says, "Hey, wait, we're Muslims!"

Islam/Muslims Same difference the most violent people on the planet

It's the radicals who are violent, not all Muslims.

If they believe in the Koran, death to the infidels is their primary mission

 

[Sunni Man]

Says the same thing, no real creditable evidence.

Apparently there was enough circumstantial evidence to convict him. ...

 

[Rustic]

YEP , when its all said and done --- yep , they is 'muslim' JoeB .

so what?

Again, Islam isn't our problem in that region. Our problem is that we've picked up where the European Imperialists left off, and we are wondering why they aren't cool with that.

We stick our dicks in a hornet's nest and complain about getting stung.

How about not sticking our dicks in a hornet's nest. That would be a good start.

Everything you want to know about Muslims, here is their God

THE CRIMES OF The false PROPHET MUHAMMAD

Muslims are sanctified by the blood of murdered kafirs. If the prophet of Islam, Mohammed, was alive today he would be sitting on death row somewhere waiting for his execution.

What is important to understand is that none of these depraved and criminal acts are seen as crimes to Muslims, except if they are committed by someone else. They are all holy, divine acts that their own prophet indulged in and therefore they have been given the stamp of validation as the moral code to be emulated by all Muslim men. They are all Sunna [The traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims].

• Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and ‘thigh’ with Baby Aisha, meaning she was too small to be penetrated so he would take his penis and rub it up and down her thighs and against her vagina. Being a man of ‘mercy’ he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.

• Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts have altered her age when Muslims could not explain why their prophet married and consummated the marriage with a small child. Koranic texts makes it clear that Mohammed married her when she was six years old. For a marriage to be legally deemed valid it had to be sexually consummated. The Hadith clearly proves that Mohammed was a notorious pedophile). Advocated sex with baby girls.

• Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.

• Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave. There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror. All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE.

• Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives. Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?

• Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at one massacre. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair.

• Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam. Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile).

• Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.

• Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.

• Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.

• Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.

• Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.

• Lied and cheated. Mohammed encouraged his men to lie to deceive someone in order to get what he wanted.

• Caused division and hatred. Ordered no befriending with Christians and Jews.

• Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.

• Married his daughter–in–law.

• Approved prostitution.

• Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.

• Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.

• Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.

• Advocated suicide attacks.

• Executed apostates and homosexuals.

• Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.

• Honor killings of Muslim women and children.

• Beat alcoholics. Lied.

• Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.

• Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.

• Tortured a man out of greed.

• Looted and plundered.

• Preached hate for people of other religions.

• Extorted money from other religions

• Forced conversions to Islam

• Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.

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References to prophet Mohammed’s crimes:

Hat tip to our reader Craig for the due diligence in providing the references to these claims.

— Muhammad’s marriage to 6yr old Aisha-(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234 and 236).

— Aisha cleans Muhammad’s semen stains-(Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229-233),

— Muhammad fondling Aisha during her ‘Menses’- (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298-300, Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 1, Number 0270)

— Muhammad liked to have intercourse with Aisha and his other wives when they were menstruating (Sahih Muslim, Book 003, Number 0577-0579),

— He also loved to recite the Quran when his wives were in Menses while lying between their legs!-(Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296), (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 639)

— Muhammad married his adopted Son’s wife called ‘Zaynab’ after lusting for her and then banned Adoption in Islam- (Surah 33:37,Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 305, Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3330, Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 516,The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein, 1997], Volume VIII, pp. 2-3)

— Muhammad having sex with his dead Aunt in the Grave-( “Kanz Al Umal” (The Treasure of the Workers, by Ali Ibn Husam Aldin, commonly known as Al-Mutaki Al-Hindi. He based his book on the hadiths and sayings listed in “Al-Jami Al-Saghir,” written by Jalal ul-Din Al-Suyuti.)

— ‘I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I slept with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib’… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali. “The Arabic word used here for slept is “Id’tajat,” and literally means “lay down” with her. It is often used to mean, “Lay down to have sex.”

— Muhammad and the Quran sanctioned sex with your wives and ‘married’ slave girls-(Quran – 70:22-30, 23:5,6, 4:24, 33:50), — Muhammad speaks of sex with Slave Girls- (Sahih Bukhari – Volume 3, #432, Volume 9, #506, Volume 5, #637, Sahih Muslim, Volume 2, #3371)

— Muhammad disagreed with ‘coitus interruptus’ with slave girls- he supported RAPE.

— Muhammad forces a 17 yr old Jewish girl called Safiyyah to marry him and rapes her on the same day her husband and family are killed in the battle of Khaibar (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 522, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 367).

— Al Tabari reported in his (‘The History of al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam’, Translated by Michael Fishbein) that even some of Muhammad’s wives and companions were shocked that he forced Safiyyah to marry him after beheading her husband, brother and father.

 

[Sunni Man]

If they believe in the Koran, death to the infidels is their primary mission

Incorrect retard. ...

 

[Rustic]

If they believe in the Koran, death to the infidels is their primary mission

Incorrect retard. ...

الموت للكفار

 

[pismoe]

thing is that Edrojen has been going 'muslim' [or nonsecular] for awhile now from what i read and hear. Agree about the secular up until 'edrojen' but i think thats changing . Just my opinion but the 'turks' shouldn't be in 'nato' Joe B .

Maybe.. except they've been loyal members for a long time. I think the real issue is what is the purpose of NATO at this point, 30 years after the USSR collapsed?

The thing is, Turkey has lived up to every commitment in NATO. They even went along with Afghanistan. They didn't go along with Iraq, but neither did NATO and everyone agrees now that was a horrible idea.

The real problem is that the "War on Terror" has kind of morphed into a "War on Islam", and the average Turk says, "Hey, wait, we're Muslims!"

Islam/Muslims Same difference the most violent people on the planet

thing is that Edrojen has been going 'muslim' [or nonsecular] for awhile now from what i read and hear. Agree about the secular up until 'edrojen' but i think thats changing . Just my opinion but the 'turks' shouldn't be in 'nato' Joe B .

Maybe.. except they've been loyal members for a long time. I think the real issue is what is the purpose of NATO at this point, 30 years after the USSR collapsed?

The thing is, Turkey has lived up to every commitment in NATO. They even went along with Afghanistan. They didn't go along with Iraq, but neither did NATO and everyone agrees now that was a horrible idea.

The real problem is that the "War on Terror" has kind of morphed into a "War on Islam", and the average Turk says, "Hey, wait, we're Muslims!"

Islam/Muslims Same difference the most violent people on the planet

thing is that Edrojen has been going 'muslim' [or nonsecular] for awhile now from what i read and hear. Agree about the secular up until 'edrojen' but i think thats changing . Just my opinion but the 'turks' shouldn't be in 'nato' Joe B .

Maybe.. except they've been loyal members for a long time. I think the real issue is what is the purpose of NATO at this point, 30 years after the USSR collapsed?

The thing is, Turkey has lived up to every commitment in NATO. They even went along with Afghanistan. They didn't go along with Iraq, but neither did NATO and everyone agrees now that was a horrible idea.

The real problem is that the "War on Terror" has kind of morphed into a "War on Islam", and the average Turk says, "Hey, wait, we're Muslims!"

Islam/Muslims Same difference the most violent people on the planet

It's the radicals who are violent, not all Muslims.

------------------------------------------------- yeah , and using your logic it was only the RADICAL 'nazi' that were the problem eh . Or it was only 'mao's' RADICAL and murderous youth 'Red Guard' Death Squads that were murdering for 'mao's' Cultural Revolution that was the problem eh JoeB ??

 

[peach174]

America, along with some of its allies, has been over throwing governments and installing and supporting brutal puppet dictators with money and weapons in Middle East countries for over a century.

And the clueless American people can't seem to figure out why they are soo hated by the average citizen's of the region. ....

Raphael Trujillo was a brutal dictator.

 

[pismoe]

What was that evidence?
Do you know?
I don't.

Andrew Brunson - Wikipedia ....

Says the same thing, no real creditable evidence.

-------------------------------------------- respectfully but the 'turks' are muslim turks and what they say is the way that it is in 'muslim turkey' . Credible Evidence is simply an Opinion and Opinions vary .

 

[JimBowie1958]

The pastor was arrested, charged, found guilty in a public trial, and then sentenced to prison.

I fail to see why the U.S. government became involved? ...

He was convicted of evangelization in a Muslim nation, right?

But without a doubt the CIA likely recrutied this guy as a source of information, though I doubt he had anything to do with a coup.

Most resources the CIA develops overseas are just people who confirm or deny ongoing rumors and reports coming out of that country and are used as part of a clandestine logistics system, safe house, etc.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The case against Pastor Brunson had nothing to do with Sharia law.

He was charged and subsequently convicted with helping a terrorist organization in a plot against the Turkish government. ....

But specifically what was he accused of doing?