And to think that left continues to demand MORE government

[Ray From Cleveland]

To Conservatives

Helping capitalists is PATRIOTISM
Helping the people is SOCIALISM

Any government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take everything you have.

 

[P@triot]

Most Government employees are highly educated and highly skilled

Most posts you make are highly inaccurate and highly idiotic.

 

[P@triot]

A government of the people, by the people and FOR the people

Yeah...that’s what we did with the U.S. Constitution that you violate.

 

[P@triot]

A government of the people, by the people and FOR the people

And the people have spoken snowflake...President Trump (R), a Republican House, a Republican Senate, and 33 of 50 states completely Republican controlled.

 

[P@triot]

A government of the people, by the people and FOR the people

 

[P@triot]

Only a shit-hole like California would allow people to riot but would stop a man from building a playhouse for his daughter.

“Six months ongoing, I don’t know why the city is fighting it so hard,” Adomeit said. “I just want what’s safe and best for my daughter. I just want my daughter to have a safe place to play.”

I can tell you why, Mr. Adomeit. Because progressives are power-hungry totalitarians who want to exert control over others. Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves at the realization that all of their sacrifices have been so squandered - a man can’t even build a littlest playhouse for his own daughter on his own property.

California man fined, banned from building his daughter a playhouse on land he owns

 

[P@triot]

We don’t have a revenue problem...we never did. We have a spending problem. A serious spending problem.

This is not a revenue problem—the government actually is projected to take in $22 billion more in 2018 than it did in 2017.

This is the problem with greedy, entitled progressivism. It is unsustainable.

New CBO Report Shows Spending on Abysmal Path

 

[rightwinger]

To Conservatives

Helping capitalists is PATRIOTISM
Helping the people is SOCIALISM

Any government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take everything you have.

There you go talking in hyperbole again

Nobody is saying have the government do everything. But helping the people is not socialism

You guys don’t flinch at helping capitalists. But any program that will help the lives of the American people is branded as socialism by outraged conservatives

 

[rightwinger]

Only a shit-hole like California would allow people to riot but would stop a man from building a playhouse for his daughter.

“Six months ongoing, I don’t know why the city is fighting it so hard,” Adomeit said. “I just want what’s safe and best for my daughter. I just want my daughter to have a safe place to play.”

I can tell you why, Mr. Adomeit. Because progressives are power-hungry totalitarians who want to exert control over others. Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves at the realization that all of their sacrifices have been so squandered - a man can’t even build a littlest playhouse for his own daughter on his own property.

California man fined, banned from building his daughter a playhouse on land he owns

It’s called zoning....every city needs it

The city planning commission is currently reviewing whether there can be an amendment to the code to allow Admoeit to complete and keep the playhouse on the land, but the public hearing on the issue won’t take place until June.

 

[regent]

The purpose of government, when America revolted against George, was to make life better for the kings and their noblemen.
When America began it did away with the kings and noble class and declared all men are equal. Then continuing that concept of making life better for the American people, the government made new laws helping, not the nobles, but the people.
Then a new noble class emerged.

 

[rightwinger]

The purpose of government, when America revolted against George, was to make life better for the kings and their noblemen.
When America began it did away with the kings and noble class and declared all men are equal. Then continuing that concept of making life better for the American people, the government made new laws helping, not the nobles, but the people.
Then a new noble class emerged.

A government of the people, by the people and for the people

Lincoln said it best

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

To Conservatives

Helping capitalists is PATRIOTISM
Helping the people is SOCIALISM

Any government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take everything you have.

There you go talking in hyperbole again

Nobody is saying have the government do everything. But helping the people is not socialism

You guys don’t flinch at helping capitalists. But any program that will help the lives of the American people is branded as socialism by outraged conservatives

So how are they helping capitalists, by taking less money away from them? With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Our federal government was not created to help people. Our federal government was created to govern.

I cannot take to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Or is that hyperbole too? What would our national debt be today if we only listened to Madison?

 

[regent]

To Conservatives

Helping capitalists is PATRIOTISM
Helping the people is SOCIALISM

Any government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take everything you have.

There you go talking in hyperbole again

Nobody is saying have the government do everything. But helping the people is not socialism

You guys don’t flinch at helping capitalists. But any program that will help the lives of the American people is branded as socialism by outraged conservatives

So how are they helping capitalists, by taking less money away from them? With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Our federal government was not created to help people. Our federal government was created to govern.

I cannot take to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Or is that hyperbole too? What would our national debt be today if we only listened to Madison?

...The real welfare of the great body of the people is the supreme object; and that to be pursued; and that no form of government whatever and any other value, than it may be fitted for the attainment of this objective. James Madison

I think every nation has a right to establish that form of government under which it conceives it shall live most happy ,,, George Washington

The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government. George Washington

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think every nation has a right to establish that form of government under which it conceives it shall live most happy ,,, George Washington

And we did when they wrote the US Constitution that outlines what kind of government we were to have.

The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government. George Washington

So I guess Washington was pro-life. Caring and providing are two different things.

 

[regent]

I think every nation has a right to establish that form of government under which it conceives it shall live most happy ,,, George Washington

And we did when they wrote the US Constitution that outlines what kind of government we were to have.

The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government. George Washington

So I guess Washington was pro-life. Caring and providing are two different things.

To the framers and founders government had a purpose other than governing, the purpose had to do with the general welfare of the people. The founders used the term of happiness as a purpose of government, as did Jefferson in the Declaration.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think every nation has a right to establish that form of government under which it conceives it shall live most happy ,,, George Washington

And we did when they wrote the US Constitution that outlines what kind of government we were to have.

The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government. George Washington

So I guess Washington was pro-life. Caring and providing are two different things.

To the framers and founders government had a purpose other than governing, the purpose had to do with the general welfare of the people. The founders used the term of happiness as a purpose of government, as did Jefferson in the Declaration.

As Madison put it, the general welfare is limited to what the Constitution outlines.

Mind you this doesn't apply to state. A state can make any kind of social programs they deem necessary. Promoting and providing the general welfare is much different than funding the general welfare which is where we are at today. Our founders realized even back then that the federal government funding welfare would create dependency.

Some would argue that the reason our founders never funded the general welfare is because times were different. Well.......they could have provided us with government log cabins instead of HUD. They could have paid farmers to give people food who didn't have any. They could have made programs like Cash for Carriages.

Today however, the federal government provides food for people, housing for people, medical care for people, utilities for people, and even cell phones for people. Do you think this is what our founders had in mind?

 

[rightwinger]

To Conservatives

Helping capitalists is PATRIOTISM
Helping the people is SOCIALISM

Any government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take everything you have.

There you go talking in hyperbole again

Nobody is saying have the government do everything. But helping the people is not socialism

You guys don’t flinch at helping capitalists. But any program that will help the lives of the American people is branded as socialism by outraged conservatives

So how are they helping capitalists, by taking less money away from them? With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Our federal government was not created to help people. Our federal government was created to govern.

I cannot take to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Or is that hyperbole too? What would our national debt be today if we only listened to Madison?

How do they help capitalists?

Historically low taxes
Elimination of worker protections
Elimination of environmental protections
Destroying unions
Protective tariffs
Protecting global markets

But do something to help working Americans and conservatives scream......Socialism!

 

[rightwinger]

I think every nation has a right to establish that form of government under which it conceives it shall live most happy ,,, George Washington

And we did when they wrote the US Constitution that outlines what kind of government we were to have.

The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government. George Washington

So I guess Washington was pro-life. Caring and providing are two different things.

To the framers and founders government had a purpose other than governing, the purpose had to do with the general welfare of the people. The founders used the term of happiness as a purpose of government, as did Jefferson in the Declaration.

As Madison put it, the general welfare is limited to what the Constitution outlines.

Mind you this doesn't apply to state. A state can make any kind of social programs they deem necessary. Promoting and providing the general welfare is much different than funding the general welfare which is where we are at today. Our founders realized even back then that the federal government funding welfare would create dependency.

Some would argue that the reason our founders never funded the general welfare is because times were different. Well.......they could have provided us with government log cabins instead of HUD. They could have paid farmers to give people food who didn't have any. They could have made programs like Cash for Carriages.

Today however, the federal government provides food for people, housing for people, medical care for people, utilities for people, and even cell phones for people. Do you think this is what our founders had in mind?

Subsequent legislation and court decisions ruled otherwise

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think every nation has a right to establish that form of government under which it conceives it shall live most happy ,,, George Washington

And we did when they wrote the US Constitution that outlines what kind of government we were to have.

The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government. George Washington

So I guess Washington was pro-life. Caring and providing are two different things.

To the framers and founders government had a purpose other than governing, the purpose had to do with the general welfare of the people. The founders used the term of happiness as a purpose of government, as did Jefferson in the Declaration.

As Madison put it, the general welfare is limited to what the Constitution outlines.

Mind you this doesn't apply to state. A state can make any kind of social programs they deem necessary. Promoting and providing the general welfare is much different than funding the general welfare which is where we are at today. Our founders realized even back then that the federal government funding welfare would create dependency.

Some would argue that the reason our founders never funded the general welfare is because times were different. Well.......they could have provided us with government log cabins instead of HUD. They could have paid farmers to give people food who didn't have any. They could have made programs like Cash for Carriages.

Today however, the federal government provides food for people, housing for people, medical care for people, utilities for people, and even cell phones for people. Do you think this is what our founders had in mind?

Subsequent legislation and court decisions ruled otherwise

I didn't ask if liberal judged though it was right, I'm asking if you think the founders would have thought it proper.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

To Conservatives

Helping capitalists is PATRIOTISM
Helping the people is SOCIALISM

Any government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take everything you have.

There you go talking in hyperbole again

Nobody is saying have the government do everything. But helping the people is not socialism

You guys don’t flinch at helping capitalists. But any program that will help the lives of the American people is branded as socialism by outraged conservatives

So how are they helping capitalists, by taking less money away from them? With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Our federal government was not created to help people. Our federal government was created to govern.

I cannot take to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794

Or is that hyperbole too? What would our national debt be today if we only listened to Madison?

How do they help capitalists?

Historically low taxes
Elimination of worker protections
Elimination of environmental protections
Destroying unions
Protective tariffs
Protecting global markets

But do something to help working Americans and conservatives scream......Socialism!

Taxes are money created in the private market and stolen from them to support government and government programs. Taking less of it is not the government giving capitalists anything. It was their money to begin with.

What worker protections do you speak of and who eliminated them?

What elimination of environmental protections do you speak of? We have the most in the entire world.

The government didn't do one thing to destroy unions. It's the American consumer that destroyed unions because they would no longer buy products from companies that overpaid their workers.

What protective tariffs do you speak of? Didn't you ever hear of the trade deficit?