Zone1 An Honest Discussion about the "Epstein Files." Why are Trump and Republicans Willing to Pay such a High Political Price for Hiding Them?

[Seymour Flops]

Trump and Trumpers are damaging their credibility on this issue.* They have given the Democrats a legitimate talking point, and they will be sure to make the most of it.

Let's be real: Epstein trafficked young girls, including under-age girls, to wealthy men who paid to spend time with them and at least get "massages" from them. There was no question about this until Republicans floated the trial balloon at the recent hearings that "Espstein trafficked girls to himself, but we don't know who - if anyone - else he trafficked them to.

I won't go over any more details, since they are talked about endlessly. Suffice to say, this issue is hurting them, but they are not changing their mind.

Why?

The obvious answer is that releasing the names of Epstein's clients would be more damaging than the damage now being caused. So, what could that damage be?

I have seen two categories of explanation:

1) Too many powerful men would be disgraced such that they would not be able to function in their current roles.

2) Too many intelligence assets are included in the list. Some have guessed that there are so many such assets that Epstein Island was actually an intelligence operation as much as a brothel.

What do you think? Anyone have any other reasons that Republicans might be doing this to themselves?


*Disclaimer: I'm not a Trump basher. Check my posting history if you don't believe me.

 

[odanny]

The obvious answer is that releasing the names of Epstein's clients would be more damaging than the damage now being caused. So, what could that damage be?

Trump already knows the cult just want this issue to go away, so he is playing the long game, knowing his base has the attention span of a squirrel.

The last thing this man wants is his close, personal friendship with Jeffrey Epstein exposed for all to see.

 

[candycorn]

I wish the Trump administration was as tough on the pedophiles who partied with Epstein as they are on stand up comedians.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump already knows the cult just want this issue to go away, so he is playing the long game, knowing his base has the attention span of a squirrel.

The last thing this man wants is his close, personal friendship with Jeffrey Epstein exposed for all to see.

Well . . . the problem with taking an "it's all TRUMP!" approach to analyzing the Epstein's file scandal is that everyone knows that the Biden Administration participated in the cover up, just as much as the Trump Administration, the Obama Administration, and the Bush the Younger Administration. It's shenanigans at the highest levels of government, in a bi-partisan way.

Team Trump's mistake was promising to release all the information. They should have waited until they were in power and just released it, if ever they were going to. By promising all, and then being selective in releasing, they gave the Dems a talking point.

If they had partially released it, having not mentioned it on the campaign trail, people would be happy to see whatever was released, instead of saying "where's the rest like you promised?"

Let's face it. A desire to see and hear the salacious details is a driving force in the clamor for more "Epstein Files."

 

[Darkwind]

What political price?

 

[Seymour Flops]

What political price?

They have given the Democrats a legitimate talking point, which is a rarity for them to have. Usually, all they have is the "racist" card and now the "fascist" card, which are based on nothing but endless repitition of the lie.

The Republicans and Trump now face opposition on this issue from their own women, who know they are innocent of any trafficking, and from some male Republicans, perhaps who also have never indulged in any kind of use of sex workers.

I note how few that is . . .

Have the Republicans lost any seats yet due to this?

No.

But this will be the question asked of every Republican candidate or incumbent in 2026, and 2028. This issue will taint whoever runs for president in 2028. The closer his or her relation to Trump, the more the stench of this scandal will hang on them.

Liberal reporters will not let them speak about their issues, because they will be too busy trying to get them to condemn Trump for the Epstein business and to promise to release the files. True, they would do something like that anyway, but now they won't have to make up an issue.

Why is it worth all that, instead of just releasing the names? Because of who is on the list, just as Patel said before becoming FBI director.

Why, though? No one on that list has been convicted of paying underaged girls for sex, and it would be extremely difficult to even bring a case. One or more powerful people do not want that list released.

I just hope Trump is not showing deference to the Intelligence Community. Those guys have their own agenda, and it isn't always what the American people would want.

 

[Seymour Flops]

What political price?

Look at this response I just got on another thread from one of the sillier posters on this forum:

Only one thing stands in the way of the government releasing all the info it has...........trump.

How can I repond to that? That's the political price Trump and his supporters are paying.

What is worth that price?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump and Trumpers are damaging their credibility on this issue.* They have given the Democrats a legitimate talking point, and they will be sure to make the most of it.

Let's be real: Epstein trafficked young girls, including under-age girls, to wealthy men who paid to spend time with them and at least get "massages" from them. There was no question about this until Republicans floated the trial balloon at the recent hearings that "Espstein trafficked girls to himself, but we don't know who - if anyone - else he trafficked them to.

I won't go over any more details, since they are talked about endlessly. Suffice to say, this issue is hurting them, but they are not changing their mind.

Why?

The obvious answer is that releasing the names of Epstein's clients would be more damaging than the damage now being caused. So, what could that damage be?

I have seen two categories of explanation:

1) Too many powerful men would be disgraced such that they would not be able to function in their current roles.

2) Too many intelligence assets are included in the list. Some have guessed that there are so many such assets that Epstein Island was actually an intelligence operation as much as a brothel.

What do you think? Anyone have any other reasons that Republicans might be doing this to themselves?


*Disclaimer: I'm not a Trump basher. Check my posting history if you don't believe me.

I give Trump credit for being willing to go to prison to protect his backers on the Epstein List. What a mensch!

 

[Darkwind]

Look at this response I just got on another thread from one of the sillier posters on this forum:



How can I repond to that? That's the political price Trump and his supporters are paying.

What is worth that price?

You are trying to respond to a poster who hasn't had an original thought in decades.

I see that more pressure comes from the single lane focus right on this forum.

They latched ont o the Epstien thing when nothing was known and had legitimate question regrading is associations.

Those questions have been answered and the ONLY questions being asked now are ones that are single objective intent.

I have put the entire thing out of My mind as answered and have moved on to actual discussions of policies we need going forward as a nation.

Clearly, I don't post that stuff here because this place is full of those who have their own narrative and will not let it go.

**** Epstein, Fuch Ghislane, **** the Democrats.

The left are killing Conservatives. We have no more time for the Epstein nonsense.

 

[Natural Citizen]

It's because there are very likely certain foreign agents involved in a malintent blackmail operation.

And that's who is being protected if one has the courage and fortitude to say it like it is.

For whatever reason, though, people are afraid to touch that aspect of the matter with a ten foot pole, choosing rather to limit the terms of controversy to the approved narrative.

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[Seymour Flops]

You are trying to respond to a poster who hasn't had an original thought in decades.

I see that more pressure comes from the single lane focus right on this forum.

They latched ont o the Epstien thing when nothing was known and had legitimate question regrading is associations.

Yes, very true. But our side gave them the opening.

Those questions have been answered and the ONLY questions being asked now are ones that are single objective intent.

I have put the entire thing out of My mind as answered and have moved on to actual discussions of policies we need going forward as a nation.

Clearly, I don't post that stuff here because this place is full of those who have their own narrative and will not let it go.

**** Epstein, Fuch Ghislane, **** the Democrats.

The left are killing Conservatives. We have no more time for the Epstein nonsense.

So, can we refrain from reponding when the left posts more Epstein threads?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The problem with releasing the files is that democrats will always demand more files. The demand is actually, fake the files.

 

[Anathema]

Why does anyone give a shit about these files at this point? We all know that nobody else is getting prosecuted. The files have been through so many hands their validity has to be extremely suspect. So what’s the point?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Why does anyone give a shit about these files at this point? We all know that nobody else is getting prosecuted. The files have been through so many hands their validity has to be extremely suspect. So what’s the point?

I think some of the women Republicans actually care that more justice be done. Not the Democrats, they were stone silent when it was the Autopen Administration hiding the files.

 

[Blaster]

Trump and Trumpers are damaging their credibility on this issue.* They have given the Democrats a legitimate talking point, and they will be sure to make the most of it.

Let's be real: Epstein trafficked young girls, including under-age girls, to wealthy men who paid to spend time with them and at least get "massages" from them. There was no question about this until Republicans floated the trial balloon at the recent hearings that "Espstein trafficked girls to himself, but we don't know who - if anyone - else he trafficked them to.

I won't go over any more details, since they are talked about endlessly. Suffice to say, this issue is hurting them, but they are not changing their mind.

Why?

The obvious answer is that releasing the names of Epstein's clients would be more damaging than the damage now being caused. So, what could that damage be?

I have seen two categories of explanation:

1) Too many powerful men would be disgraced such that they would not be able to function in their current roles.

2) Too many intelligence assets are included in the list. Some have guessed that there are so many such assets that Epstein Island was actually an intelligence operation as much as a brothel.

What do you think? Anyone have any other reasons that Republicans might be doing this to themselves?


*Disclaimer: I'm not a Trump basher. Check my posting history if you don't believe me.

Who really cares about the Epstein files?

 

[Dorian Mode]

I think the reason Biden never released any damaging information is that it would damage important democrap donors and powerful establishment people. I think the reason Trump doesn't want to release all the damaging information is that it would damage important republican donors and powerful establishment people. One question I don't see asked from the pedophilia obsessed left here is: Why did an Obama appointed judge refuse to release Epstein information? What are the democraps trying to hide? Maybe Trump should selectively release all information damaging to the democraps. Maybe he is waiting to make it a great October surprise next year? Back on point, what good is this really going to do? Trump is done in 2028 and with Charlie Kirk's murder the midterms are all but guaranteed to produce a red tsunami. This topic doesn't benefit the left at all. I suggest the left find a better topic that just might start helping the image of the hateful violent left.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I think the reason Biden never released any damaging information is that it would damage important democrap donors and powerful establishment people. I think the reason Trump doesn't want to release all the damaging information is that it would damage important republican donors and powerful establishment people. One question I don't see asked from the pedophilia obsessed left here is: Why did an Obama appointed judge refuse to release Epstein information? What are the democraps trying to hide?

Yes, of course. The Democrats have something to lose if the "Epstein Files" are released, which is why they never released them.

But keep in mind that such case documents are typically not released if the decision is made not to charge people on the list. The FBI doesn't normally talk about people it will not prosecute. That's why Comey was reviled by both sides for doing it to Clinton.

The only reason it is suddenly an issue was that Trump kept saying he would release them. That was the mistake. I'm wondering why they don't correct that mistake by simply saying "we are going to follow normal procedure and keep information about alleged crimes not charged private."

Maybe Trump should selectively release all information damaging to the democraps. Maybe he is waiting to make it a great October surprise next year?

That would work in the short term, but it would put Dems in a frenzy to get the rest of them.

Back on point, what good is this really going to do? Trump is done in 2028 and with Charlie Kirk's murder the midterms are all but guaranteed to produce a red tsunami. This topic doesn't benefit the left at all. I suggest the left find a better topic that just might start helping the image of the hateful violent left.

Now that the Dems have had their hearing to attack Kash Patel, hopefully the Republican plan is to simply stop talking about it. If they cannot bring themselves to say "we were wrong to promise to release them," they can at least say something like "we've released as much as we can at this point," or some such and hope the press gets tired of asking.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Yes, of course. The Democrats have something to lose if the "Epstein Files" are released, which is why they never released them.

But keep in mind that such case documents are typically not released if the decision is made not to charge people on the list. The FBI doesn't normally talk about people it will not prosecute. That's why Comey was reviled by both sides for doing it to Clinton.

The only reason it is suddenly an issue was that Trump kept saying he would release them. That was the mistake. I'm wondering why they don't correct that mistake by simply saying "we are going to follow normal procedure and keep information about alleged crimes not charged private."

That would work in the short term, but it would put Dems in a frenzy to get the rest of them.

Now that the Dems have had their hearing to attack Kash Patel, hopefully the Republican plan is to simply stop talking about it. If they cannot bring themselves to say "we were wrong to promise to release them," they can at least say something like "we've released as much as we can at this point," or some such and hope the press gets tired of asking.

This is Trump we are talking about, his ability to stick his foot in his mouth and then give the left stuff to attack him with is legendary. But, the fact that Biden didn't release this info means that when the shit hits the fan, everyone will get stinky. In this war between Trump and the left, there is no net gain in satisfying the left with this stuff. This is not about right vs. wrong, it is about politics and winning the political war. Plus, this Epstein issue is very distracting for the left now as they push for this and it keeps them from doing much else. This probably is a nothing burger. If I were Trump I would troll them with this as much as possible so this is the only thing they focus on.