An Example of How Past Government Policy Has Helped Whites Today

IM2 said:
And most of you benefitted from it.

On June 22, 1944 President Roosevelt signed the Servicemen’s Readjustment Act, better known as the G.I. Bill. This law provided benefits for veterans returning from the second World War. Funds were paid for college tuition, low-cost home loans, and unemployment insurance. As in every other program during this time southern congressmen fought passage of these laws unless there were provisions that limited access to blacks. The G.I Bill was no different.

Democratic congressmen in the south fought against provisions of the GI Bill out of fear that returning black veterans might be able to use public support for their war effort to advocate against Jim Crow laws. Southern Democrats using the same tactics they used to make certain other policies in the New Deal helped as few Black people as possible, wanted benefits to be administered by the states. Mississippi Congressman John Rankin was the ringleader in that regard]. He and other Southern Democrats knew doing that would allow southern states to do what each state had been doing since the Civil Rights Cases. That would be states implementing policies full of loopholes and restrictions that would be enforced on blacks but not whites thereby ensuring the GI Bill would primarily benefit whites. Congress gave southern Democrats what they wanted.

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Now before I have to hear you republicans sing that sad sorry lie about democrats, remember that republicans voted to give the southern democrats what they wanted. My father served in that war, he was from Louisiana and he did not get the benefits white soldiers got. This impacted my life and so when we speak about reparations, we're talking about policies like this and many others which came after slavery and do more so directly affect blacks living today.
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I don't except the sins of my siblings, parents, grandparents, great grandparents, friends or enemies or joe blow anywhere in the world.

If I did... Germany wouldn't be on the map anymore. Nor would.................

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Darkwind said:
No, this isn't about that. But you go ahead and live in the past that cannot harm you anymore. I'll focus on ending racism in the here and now.
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Don't try that dried up line. You live in the past every time you talk about the founders and the constitution. You aren't focusing on ending racism, you are focusing on maintaining it. Past damage has not been fixed, until it is, it must be faced. Stopping whites from understanding what whiteness has meant because you don't like hearing it is not focusing on anything except ending your butthurt.
 
NewsVine_Mariyam said:
Well your first mistake is not knowing your target. Your second mistake is thinking you're in a position to lecture your betters.
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We are done being lectured like slow witted children. YOu have shit to say? Too bad, it is our turn. We have more shit to say and we have been waiting longer.
 
Shelzin said:
I don't except the sins of my siblings, parents, grandparents, great grandparents, friends or enemies or joe blow anywhere in the world.

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Since we are talking about policies that you have benefitted from...
 
IM2 said:
Since we are talking about policies that you have benefitted from...
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Since nothing... I hate identity politics. I reject that because I'm white that I had anything to do with something that happened before my birth. I certainly reject anything and everything where none of those people are still alive today.

Nor to I take any responsibility for anything GOOD they did either. Both the good and bad, I had nothing to do with it. It's flat stupid to attach something to someone who had no relationship to the matter.
 
Shelzin said:
Since nothing... I hate identity politics. I reject that because I'm white that I had anything to do with something that happened before my birth. I certainly reject anything and everything where none of those people are still alive today.
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The world had events before we both were born that impact us today. You don't reject the constitution, the Car, the TV and many other things. Identity politics is why whites have so much more than everyone else. So in order to fix the damage we must first identify the cause. I find it funny how whites talk about how they reject identity politics when their abuses are displayed. Yet it seems that many whites don't mind identity politics when they can do all the pointing.
 
IM2 said:
Bullshit. Whites did not found or build anything by themselves. Slaves built this country. The Irish and Italians were white. They helped discriminate against non whites. Whites didn't save the world when it was whites that started the world wars. Whites have what they do because the government excluded everyone else.
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IM2 said:
I was born here. So I have the right granted by the constitution to air my grievances. Seems like you have a problem with American rights. Perhaps you could move to an all white country where you won't have to respect the fact that a black person has the same right to complain about the government as your white ass does.
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Looks like you found something in the government that helps Blacks today - didn't you?

You have a right to petition the government for redress of grievances, and not only is that granted to you by the goodness of white men's ambition to liberate white people from tyranny, it is by the goodness of white people's ambition to liberate black people from slavery. There is a short list of Black Americans who have petitioned a redress of grievances that have been granted, but there is an even smaller list of Black people who have composed the legislation that promulgates the liberation of Black Americans. I do not know any of their names, if there are any Black people who have written any legislation.

I am one of a very few, if there are any others, who is trying to get Black people to reorder the Constitution that was written in compromise with racist white slave owners. It is absurd for Blacks who disparage the founders, and yet, avoid the responsibility to reorder the charter system that is obviously flawed.
 
IM2 said:
The world had events before we both were born that impact us today. You don't reject the constitution, the Car, the TV and many other things. Identity politics is why whites have so much more than everyone else. So in order to fix the damage we must first identify the cause.
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The cause of the disorderly society, the inaccurate approach to domestic tranquility, is the flawed organization of the government. It is extremely difficult to recognize, but it should be a little bit easier for Black people to consider the possibility, and at least try to reorder the chartering system using the modern technology available, now, that the fucked up racist slave owners did not have.
 
IM2 said:
And most of you benefitted from it.

On June 22, 1944 President Roosevelt signed the Servicemen’s Readjustment Act, better known as the G.I. Bill. This law provided benefits for veterans returning from the second World War. Funds were paid for college tuition, low-cost home loans, and unemployment insurance. As in every other program during this time southern congressmen fought passage of these laws unless there were provisions that limited access to blacks. The G.I Bill was no different.

Democratic congressmen in the south fought against provisions of the GI Bill out of fear that returning black veterans might be able to use public support for their war effort to advocate against Jim Crow laws. Southern Democrats using the same tactics they used to make certain other policies in the New Deal helped as few Black people as possible, wanted benefits to be administered by the states. Mississippi Congressman John Rankin was the ringleader in that regard]. He and other Southern Democrats knew doing that would allow southern states to do what each state had been doing since the Civil Rights Cases. That would be states implementing policies full of loopholes and restrictions that would be enforced on blacks but not whites thereby ensuring the GI Bill would primarily benefit whites. Congress gave southern Democrats what they wanted.

progressive.org

How African American WWII Veterans Were Scorned By the G.I. Bill

This Veteran's Day, remembering some of our veterans who protected a country that did not protect them.
progressive.org progressive.org
www.history.com

How the GI Bill's Promise Was Denied to a Million Black WWII Veterans | HISTORY

The sweeping bill following World War II promised prosperity to veterans. So why didn’t Black Americans benefit?
www.history.com www.history.com

Now before I have to hear you republicans sing that sad sorry lie about democrats, remember that republicans voted to give the southern democrats what they wanted. My father served in that war, he was from Louisiana and he did not get the benefits white soldiers got. This impacted my life and so when we speak about reparations, we're talking about policies like this and many others which came after slavery and do more so directly affect blacks living today.
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/—-/ Yup, those democRATs went after the Blacks. And that’s why you vote democRAT.
 
IM2 said:
The world had events before we both were born that impact us today. You don't reject the constitution, the Car, the TV and many other things. Identity politics is why whites have so much more than everyone else. So in order to fix the damage we must first identify the cause. I find it funny how whites talk about how they reject identity politics when their abuses are displayed. Yet it seems that many whites don't mind identity politics when they can do all the pointing.
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I also reject everything GOOD that was done by whites.

I take no claim to that.

Seems like you only want to show the bad shit. Which is ok, but you are also using everything that came from the GOOD that whites did. If you are going to hold accountable the bad things, you also have to hold accountable the good ones as well...

If you want reprehension from an identity of people, then you should not be able to use the good things those same people of that identity did. It's only logical if you go that route. Or... You're a hypocrite.

I don't want to be a hypocrite... You go ahead without me.
 
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Correll said:
IM2 brought up the South, so I was talking to him about what he brought up. My point stands, has nothing to do with or mine.


I done being blamed for shit that I had nothing to do with.
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Where do you feel blamed?

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MarcATL said:
The underlying message here is "be grateful n!gger, you lucky we didn't kill your ass."
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Yes. American Blacks have the opportunity to prove that they know how to organize just government, but they are passing it up.
Ever wonder why Nelson Mandela refused to be photographed with Obama after he was elected to the presidency???
Do you know of any names of educated Black Americans who helped Mandela compose a constitution for South Africa? Was Obama available at that time?
Do you know why President Obama was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize?
 
IM2 said:
Lol! I am soon going to make examples out of people like you. So let me show you truth. Because your psychosis has you believing foolishness.

History is documented. There really can be no denial of what has gone on. Despite these facts, there are whites who choose to believe that none of these things have any relationship to how and why things are as they are now. Like Norton, they have lived in a system that has afforded them great wealth and do not want it changed. There are whites, be they liberal or conservative, who have refused to take a realistic look at the issue of race. It seems people want to solve race-based problems without looking at race to solve them. I do not attest to being the smartest or most intellectual man, but common sense says that if a system is built on denying specific races access to opportunity, racism is going to be at least part of the reason for the problems that exist due to the exclusion.

We’ve heard all the fake news calling itself political incorrectness, telling us that the problems plaguing black communities are self-inflicted and include: unmarried births, fatherless homes, refusal to take education seriously, rap music, worship of thug culture, genetic inferiority, low IQ, making up racism to get paid, the victim mentality, waiting for a handout, government dependence, special rights and more. All this is crap. So let’s step out of the box. Let’s really leave the plantation. Let us truly be politically incorrect. The root cause of the problems blacks face today is due to white racism.

Yes, that’s what I said. I am not waiting for whites to give me anything free. I don’t have some so-called victim mentality whereby I blame whites for my failings. If I have failed at things, I failed on my own. It is time whites stopped the juvenile name calling and tightened up. The reality of racism is not about failing, it is about denial. The denial of opportunity. If anyone has failed it is the whites who have chosen to fall for what the white race pimps have told them. White racism IS the root cause, it is the fundamental reason for the occurrences of problems in the black community.

I say the root cause of the problems blacks face today, right now, are due to white racism. Again you will ask, “Why?” Because there is proven or observable evidence that shows this to be true. Some whites refuse to accept this and argue citing various issues that are the result of racism trying to dispute any black or non white person who dares to say that racism has had a continuing negative effect on our communities. The arguments they make are made against indisputable evidence to the contrary.

On July 28, 1967, President Lyndon Johnson established the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders. The more common name for this commission is The Kerner Commission. This commission was tasked to answer three basic questions pertaining to the racial unrest in American cities: What happened? Why did it happen? What can be done to prevent it from happening again? It is common knowledge how the commission deemed that two separate Americas existed, one for whites, the other for blacks.

“What white Americans have never fully understood but what the Negro can never forget--is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it. It is time now to turn with all the purpose at our command to the major unfinished business of this nation. It is time to adopt strategies for action that will produce quick and visible progress. It is time to make good the promises of American democracy to all citizens-urban and rural, white and black, Spanish-surname, American Indian, and every minority group.”

Kerner Commission Report​

On February 26, 2018, 50 years after the Kerner Commission findings, the Economic Policy Institute published a report evaluating the progress of the black community since the Kerner Report was released. It was based on a study done by the Economic Policy Institute that compared the progress of the black community with the condition of the black community at the time of the Kerner Commission. Titled “50 years after the Kerner Commission,” the study’s central premise was that there had been some improvements in the situation blacks faced but there were still disadvantages blacks faced that were based on race.

Here are some of the findings.

African Americans today are much better educated than they were in 1968 but still lag behind whites in overall educational attainment. More than 90 percent of younger African Americans (ages 25 to 29) have graduated from high school, compared with just over half in 1968—which means they’ve nearly closed the gap with white high school graduation rates. They are also more than twice as likely to have a college degree as in 1968 but are still half as likely as young whites to have a college degree.

The substantial progress in educational attainment of African Americans has been accompanied by significant absolute improvements in wages, incomes, wealth, and health since 1968. But black workers still make only 82.5 cents on every dollar earned by white workers, African Americans are 2.5 times as likely to be in poverty as whites, and the median white family has almost 10 times as much wealth as the median black family.

With respect to homeownership, unemployment, and incarceration, America has failed to deliver any progress for African Americans over the last five decades. In these areas, their situation has either failed to improve relative to whites or has worsened. In 2017 the black unemployment rate was 7.5 percent, up from 6.7 percent in 1968, and is still roughly twice the white unemployment rate. In 2015, the black homeownership rate was just over 40 percent, virtually unchanged since 1968, and trailing a full 30 points behind the white homeownership rate, which saw modest gains over the same period. And the share of African Americans in prison or jail almost tripled between 1968 and 2016 and is currently more than six times the white incarceration rate.

Following up on this, Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute, wrote an op ed published in the February 28th edition of the New York Daily News entitled, “50 years after the Kerner Commission, minimal racial progress.” It had been 50 years since the commission made those recommendations at that point, yet Rothstein makes this statement: “So little has changed since 1968 that the report remains worth reading as a near-contemporary description of racial inequality.” There is a reason little has changed.

The commission recommended solutions based on the following 3 principles: “To mount programs on a scale equal to the dimension of the problems. To aim these programs for high impact in the immediate future in order to close the gap between promise and performance. To undertake new initiatives and experiments that can change the system of failure and frustration that now dominates the ghetto and weakens our society.” With all due respect, I do not believe the members of the commission truly understood the real size of the problem. As of today, principle number 1 has yet to be met.

In order for a societal problem to be solved there must be a will consensual among all to solve the problem by any means necessary. Not by a half measure here and a half measure there. Principle number 1 was to create programs equal to the dimension of the problem. That’s a laudable goal, but the dimension of the problem in 1967 was 191 years of denied income, education, housing and wages. What series of programs could be proposed to a nation where half the people believed that “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice?”

“These programs will require unprecedented levels of funding and performance, but they neither probe deeper nor demand more than the problems which called them forth. There can be no higher priority for national action and no higher claim on the nation's conscience.”

Kerner Commission Report​

And so here you have it. Suddenly a nation that had felt it unnecessary to provide equal funding, facilities, housing or income even as the supreme court in 1897 determined it was fine to be separate if everything else was equal, a nation still fighting against the Brown decision by using state laws, a nation that had just decided to allow blacks the free access to the ballot and public accommodations, was going to appropriate billions of dollars to fix an almost 200 year old problem. It has yet to be done.

As a result of this study the commission identified 12 `grievances common in the communities they visited: “1. Police practices 2. Unemployment and underemployment 3. Inadequate housing. 4. Inadequate education 5. Poor recreation facilities and programs 6. Ineffectiveness of the political structure and grievance mechanisms. 7. Disrespectful white attitudes 8. Discriminatory administration of justice 9. Inadequacy of federal programs 10. Inadequacy of municipal services 11. Discriminatory consumer and credit practices 12. Inadequate welfare programs. “

You would be hard pressed to say these grievances do not still exist. The Kerner Commission was tasked to find out why the racial unrest happened. Instead of blaming blacks for being angry about the way they were treated, instead of inventing terms like victim mentality, the commission took a long hard look at American societal issues. The bottom line is that the Kerner Commission determined in 1968 what blacks already knew and what whites refused to hear. This quote from Nathaniel Jones, Assistant General Counsel for the Commission says it all, “One of the conclusions of the Kerner Report was that white racism was at work, was the cause of the upsets and the uprisings that we had. In fact, the report stated that white society created it, perpetuates it, and sustains it.” In other words, “The root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism.” It was that conclusion that made it possible for white America to ignore the findings. Once whites felt as if they were to blame for the conditions of black people in America, they resisted the findings in this study. President Johnson called for the study and never implemented the suggested actions. He wasted government money by increasing spending on the Vietnam war and claimed he did not have the money to implement the types of programs suggested in the report.

Martin Luther King called it over 50 years ago. “A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom.” Had Johnson spent the billions he wasted in Vietnam on programs suggested by the Kerner Commission, many of the issues blacks face today would be reduced or eliminated. The Kerner Commission report is perhaps the finest study done on race in the history of this nation. We are now 52 years past the Kerner Commission findings. There has been little progress because at no level of government or society has America met even the first principle of the Kerner Commission.

“To mount programs on a scale equal to the dimension of the problems.”​

For whites like you, the truth is too much to bear.
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POWERFUL!!!!
 
IM2 said:
Lol! I am soon going to make examples out of people like you. So let me show you truth. Because your psychosis has you believing foolishness. . . Titled “50 years after the Kerner Commission,” the study’s central premise was that there had been some improvements in the situation blacks faced but there were still disadvantages blacks faced that were based on race. . . For whites like you, the truth is too much to bear.
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That does not disprove the claim that Blacks have it better in America than anyplace else. The report makes no caparison to the conditions that black people in other countries endure, or enjoy.

But it is still a POWERFUL composition. Did you write it all by yourself, or am I going to find it published somewhere else on the Internet?

I can guarantee you that black people around the world will trade places with you. There is no "underground railroad" of Black mericans shipping out for a better life in another country. Michael Brown's parents were offered the opportunity by the United Nations, and they passed it up to return to St. Louis to sell T-shirts exploiting their criminal son's death.
 
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MarcATL said:
The underlying message here is "be grateful n!gger, you lucky we didn't kill your ass."
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I seriously doubt many whites are saying that today.
Using the word '******" will get most white people arrested.
Yet no blacks will be arrested for saying derogatory terms about whites. And you feel that is "fair" ?

The underlying message may be that to a racist loser.
But to blacks like Tyler Perry, Michael Jordan and millions of other successful blacks the message is......

"Livin Large in America"
 
Prof.Lunaphiles said:
That does not disprove the claim that Blacks have it better in America than anyplace else. I can guarantee you that black people around the world will trade places with you. There is no "underground railroad" of Black mericans shipping out for a better life in another country. Michael Brown's parents were offered the opportunity by the United Nations, and they passed it up to return to St. Louis to sell T-shirts exploiting their criminal son's death.
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We have to accept that there will always be blacks who have failed in life and just need to blame whitey.

Tyler perry doesn't have time for their type. He's too busy winning.
 
BasicHumanUnit said:
We have to accept that there will always be blacks who have failed in life and just need to blame whitey.
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That is one of the reasons why we need to have a constitutional convention with Black people in attendance. It is the only way to eradicate the claim of "systemic racism." So long as Black people can claim that they were unable to safeguard the organization of the government from biases, because they were not at the constitutional convention to order the charter, then they can make the flawed grievance.
 
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BasicHumanUnit said:
I seriously doubt many whites are saying that today.
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I find myself thinking it often enough, but I am more disappointed with white people not understanding that we need to have a constitutional convention that gathers the diversity of people that the founders and subsequent generations could not gather for such an event.
 
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