An articulate pro-MAGA argument for a tariff reset

[SweetTea]

This is what I do for a living. Prices are going way up.

You want a steel dumpster for your business? 22% higher prices.

You want a pot and pan set from target? 25% higher prices.

You want fencing for your new house? 27% higher prices.

I can go on for days… It’s all coming this summer.

Ok, lets see. Are you saying core inflation will be high by this summer or just some specific items?

I don't flinch much after the 9% inflation in 2022.

 

[citygator]

Ok, lets see. Are you saying core inflation will be high by this summer or just some specific items?

I don't flinch much after the 9% inflation in 2022.

Using your logic: 8% inflation in 2022 didnt make you flinch either since it was 12.5% in 1974.

Look, you can pretend prices don’t matter now because you are in love with a fat old orange guy who is your god and you think it will make him look bad.. But, higher prices are coming. It is unavoidable. These higher prices were driven by a dumb human, not a viral pandemic.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Dumbest policy work i have ever seen. It’s the decision of someone who has never run a buiness. Trump is an entertainer. Not a businessman. He sucks at it.

/——-/ Trump has 500 successful companies and worth about $8 billion.
And how is your lemonade stand and paper route doing?

 

[SweetTea]

Using your logic: 8% inflation in 2022 didnt make you flinch either since it was 12.5% in 1974.

Look, you can pretend prices don’t matter now because you are in love with a fat old orange guy who is your god and you think it will make him look bad.. But, higher prices are coming. It is unavoidable. These higher prices were driven by a dumb human, not a viral pandemic.

The economy is going to flourish. I am sorry that you aren't forward thinking enough to see that. It is typical of Democrats. Frankly I couldn't care less what you people think. I am in the "rich" class myself as are my neighbors at all 3 of my homes. We are all educated and successful. We don't share your opinion. We didn't share your and other expert opinions about the inflation in 2022 being transitory either. Most economists are too political, particularly when it comes to Trump, to make sound judgements any longer. Sad, but true.

 

[citygator]

/——-/ Trump has 500 successful companies and worth about $8 billion.
And how is your lemonade stand and paper route doing?

Trump is a successful entertainer. His entire empire was on the brink before The Apprentice. He did well entertaining. Now he is grifting for money. Neither entertainment nor grifting are core businesses. I mean, Michale Jordan wasn’t a great businessman but was rich too. He was a great entertainer as well.

 

[SweetTea]

Trump is a successful entertainer. His entire empire was on the brink before The Apprentice. He did well entertaining. Now he is grifting for money. Neither entertainment nor grifting are core businesses. I mean, Michale Jordan wasn’t a great businessman but was rich too. He was a great entertainer as well.

Biden was a career politician, right? Did that make him an expert in anything other than lying and cheating?

 

[citygator]

Biden was a career politician, right? Did that make him an expert in anything other than lying and cheating?

He didnt act crazily against doing business. In fact, the CHIPS bill and the Infrasturcute Bill were two really big bills that supported American Business. No one has ever just randomly doomed business until Trump. It’s utterly crazy. I deal with this daily. My job moves stuff from all over the world to US consumers. We’ve never seen anything this destructive and that includes COVID.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

/---/ But other countries' tariffs on American goods were rational?

You obviously don't understand how Trump's blanket tariffs are different.

Because you are uneducated and willfully ignorant...and I ain't going to waste my time educating you.

 

[Cellblock2429]

You obviously don't understand how Trump's blanket tariffs are different.

Because you are uneducated and willfully ignorant...and I ain't going to waste my time educating you.

/—-/ Name a country that doesn’t have tariffs on US goods and services.

 

[The Duke]

Rethinking Trade Tariffs: Why a Global Trade Reset is Good for Growth

For those of us who are pro-tariff but very much against the way this whole thing has been handled, that's a link to an articulate, intelligent argument for what Trump is doing. Obviously it's one-sided, but it is thoughtful and reasonable.

This is precisely the kind of argument that could have been made to our trading parters and (former) friends behind closed doors from the beginning. We could even have put the hammer down and said something like "America is going to see to it that this reset happens. We very much want to work closely with you on it, but please understand it's time for a reset". But this insane clown show was not required.

That's how it's done in a respectful, intelligent, professional way, instead of resorting to insults, accusations, mockery, anger, intimidation and punishment. We've now seriously damaged our relationships with our (former) friends, they're creating new trade relationships that don't include us, and it never had to happen.

The amount of hubris it takes to start a train of thought such as this is yuge!
No, dipshits, you do not know better than people who have all the information and have done their homework
on this for decades. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach or ***** about it.
OP does the latter latter.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Taco reminds you nothing he does on tariffs makes sense.

 

[SweetTea]

This is what I do for a living. Prices are going way up.

You want a steel dumpster for your business? 22% higher prices.

You want a pot and pan set from target? 25% higher prices.

You want fencing for your new house? 27% higher prices.

I can go on for days… It’s all coming this summer.

Revisiting this. We should see serious inflation in the next couple of months, right? You sticking with that?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Revisiting this. We should see serious inflation in the next couple of months, right? You sticking with that?

The possibility is very real. The indicators in the Stock Market indicate a real possibility of another serious inflation jump.

 

[citygator]

Revisiting this. We should see serious inflation in the next couple of months, right? You sticking with that?

Yep. The prices of products are just now getting out there. Like I said in a follow up post:

• Goods using metal saw impacts go into their production cycle in May/June and should hit the shelves in July-Sept
• Apparel pricing will be delayed as BTS clothing was already ticketed and it would cost too much to reticket so retailers are eating that margin until they can put new tickets on in October -December deliveries.
• Toys will go up with the Sept/October holiday deliveries, toy prices started rising in May.
• Christmas decorations will be noticeable higher in September
• Used car prices surged their highest since 2022 as prices start climbing for autos.

Now... if the economy crashes pricing wont be the issue.. employment and gdp will be the issue.

 

[SweetTea]

The possibility is very real. The indicators in the Stock Market indicate a real possibility of another serious inflation jump.

You must be looking at different CPI and PPI numbers than me.

 

[SweetTea]

Yep. The prices of products are just now getting out there. Like I said in a follow up post:

• Goods using metal saw impacts go into their production cycle in May/June and should hit the shelves in July-Sept
• Apparel pricing will be delayed as BTS clothing was already ticketed and it would cost too much to reticket so retailers are eating that margin until they can put new tickets on in October -December deliveries.
• Toys will go up with the Sept/October holiday deliveries, toy prices started rising in May.
• Christmas decorations will be noticeable higher in September
• Used car prices surged their highest since 2022 as prices start climbing for autos.

Now... if the economy crashes pricing wont be the issue.. employment and gdp will be the issue.

What is going to happen with core inflation? That is the main driver.

Also, the fed obviously doesn't see a need to cut rates, so evidently the economy crashing in not on their radar.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You must be looking at different CPI and PPI numbers than me.

You are not looking at anything but just making things up.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

What is going to happen with core inflation? That is the main driver.

Also, the fed obviously doesn't see a need to cut rates, so evidently the economy crashing in not on their radar.

But increasing inflation possibility is.

 

[citygator]

What is going to happen with core inflation? That is the main driver.

Also, the fed obviously doesn't see a need to cut rates, so evidently the economy crashing in not on their radar.

Fed cant tell if the issue is going to be higher prices from Trump Tariffs or crashing demand and recession from Trump Tariffs. They are waiting to see.

Core inflation includes everything I listed. If the economy doesnt crash you likely will see it rise throughout the year. How much? Probably a half to a full percent. The stuff my company sells will be rising about 4-5%. Normally its 2-3%. So about 2% inflation bump. If half of companies see the same that is 1% inflation on top of current rate. Just as guess.

 

[SweetTea]

You are not looking at anything but just making things up.

So you aren't looking at those numbers. I see. You don't know what you are talking about.