An articulate pro-MAGA argument for a tariff reset

Mac1958 said:
Rethinking Trade Tariffs: Why a Global Trade Reset is Good for Growth

For those of us who are pro-tariff but very much against the way this whole thing has been handled, that's a link to an articulate, intelligent argument for what Trump is doing. Obviously it's one-sided, but it is thoughtful and reasonable.

This is precisely the kind of argument that could have been made to our trading parters and (former) friends behind closed doors from the beginning. We could even have put the hammer down and said something like "America is going to see to it that this reset happens. We very much want to work closely with you on it, but please understand it's time for a reset". But this insane clown show was not required.

That's how it's done in a respectful, intelligent, professional way, instead of resorting to insults, accusations, mockery, anger, intimidation and punishment. We've now seriously damaged our relationships with our (former) friends, they're creating new trade relationships that don't include us, and it never had to happen.
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Trump is too immature and dumb to be able to achieve anything remotely like this. We got freaking King Joffrey in the oval office here.
 
Over the years seeing how true leaders in business behave, I believe Teddy Roosevelt had it right.
Speak softly and carry a big stick.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick—you will go far." If a man continually blusters, if he lacks civility, a big stick will not save him from trouble; and neither will speaking softly avail, if back of the softness there does not lie strength, power. In private life there are few things more obnoxious than the man who is always loudly boasting; and if the boaster is not prepared to back up his words his position becomes absolutely contemptible. So it is with the nation. It is both foolish and undignified to indulge in undue self-glorification, and above all, in loose-tongued denunciation of other peoples.

Roosevelt uttered these words at the Minnesota State Fair on September 2, 1901. He could not know that two weeks later he would be the president of the United States. The African proverb "Speak softly..." was one of his favorite utterances.

TR Center
 
Cellblock2429 said:
/——/ So China treated us fair and square all along. You chump.
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You poor snivelling victim from the greatest and richest country on earth.

Why don't you cry some more about the trade system you designed that made you wealthy and then the labour market your capitalists fled to?

Jesus, if MAGAts didn't have self victimisation they'd have nothing.
 
Looks like Netty is having trouble now Genocide Joe has gone. Whoever would have thought?

Last week, Israelis believed they saw more cracks emerge between the “America First” president and Israel, after Trump said he had struck a truce with Yemen’s Houthi rebels that curbed the group’s attacks on U.S. ships — but did not cover Israel. Days later, reports emerged that Trump was considering offering Saudi Arabia access to civil nuclear technology without demanding that the kingdom normalize relations with Israel, a precondition that had been set by former president Joe Biden.​
 
cnm said:
You poor snivelling victim from the greatest and richest country on earth.

Why don't you cry some more about the trade system you designed that made you wealthy and then the labour market your capitalists fled to?

Jesus, if MAGAts didn't have self victimisation they'd have nothing.
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/——/ I didn’t design the trade system, nor did cheap, China crap make me wealthy. I wanted it fixed for decades, and Trump is finally doing it.
And why does a libtard from New Zealand care about US trade policy?
 
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Mac1958 said:
That's how it's done in a respectful, intelligent, professional way, instead of resorting to insults, accusations, mockery, anger, intimidation and punishment. We've now seriously damaged our relationships with our (former) friends, they're creating new trade relationships that don't include us, and it never had to happen.
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That is not how it happens in the real world .

However, I trust Donaldo knows how to vary his tactics for future "hands" .

When you are dealing with Greedy and not very Intelligent people , you can resort to anything that brings home the bacon .

Sparing use of brutality invariably brings compliance , or, fear and compliance .
If they think you are somewhat deranged , so much the better .
 
luiza said:
That is not how it happens in the real world .

However, I trust Donaldo knows how to vary his tactics for future "hands" .

When you are dealing with Greedy and not very Intelligent people , you can resort to anything that brings home the bacon .

Sparing use of brutality invariably brings compliance , or, fear and compliance .
If they think you are somewhat deranged , so much the better .
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Ahh...the Putin method...LOL!
 
Cellblock2429 said:
And why does a libtard from New Zealand care about US trade policy?
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Because NZ is a trading nation and fuckwit Chump is fucking up world trade and the tariffs will cost us a bit of competitiveness in the US, or not. The fucking up of the system will lead to a general slow down until everyone has succeeded in ignoring the US.

I imagine we'll be frantically diversifying away from our 10% exposure to the US, helped with market opportunities to replace US exports to China and about 100 trading agreements with other nations. The US is unreliable in all respects.

The funniest thing is that the US wants a China barrier in the SW Pacific but is tariffing exports to the US from the countries it wants to provide that barrier. Countries also with huge trade with China.

The incoherence of Chump's policies is extremely amusing.
 
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Cellblock2429 said:
/——/ I didn’t design the trade system, nor did cheap. China crap make me wealthy. I wanted it fixed for decades and Trump is finally doing it.
And why does a libtard from New Zealand care about US trade policy?
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Instead of debating the issue seriously, or honestly, they spend their time on "spin", just talking shit.
 
Mac1958 said:
Rethinking Trade Tariffs: Why a Global Trade Reset is Good for Growth

For those of us who are pro-tariff but very much against the way this whole thing has been handled, that's a link to an articulate, intelligent argument for what Trump is doing. Obviously it's one-sided, but it is thoughtful and reasonable.

This is precisely the kind of argument that could have been made to our trading parters and (former) friends behind closed doors from the beginning. We could even have put the hammer down and said something like "America is going to see to it that this reset happens. We very much want to work closely with you on it, but please understand it's time for a reset". But this insane clown show was not required.

That's how it's done in a respectful, intelligent, professional way, instead of resorting to insults, accusations, mockery, anger, intimidation and punishment. We've now seriously damaged our relationships with our (former) friends, they're creating new trade relationships that don't include us, and it never had to happen.
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The choice America faced was not whether to do it in a "respectful..." way, or a .... disrespectful way,


but whether to have policy that served American interests, or policy that continued to hurt US.


We choose wisely. Sorry it doesn't meet with your approval. Maybe the results will make you feel better.
 
Mac1958 said:
Rethinking Trade Tariffs: Why a Global Trade Reset is Good for Growth

For those of us who are pro-tariff but very much against the way this whole thing has been handled, that's a link to an articulate, intelligent argument for what Trump is doing. Obviously it's one-sided, but it is thoughtful and reasonable.

This is precisely the kind of argument that could have been made to our trading parters and (former) friends behind closed doors from the beginning. We could even have put the hammer down and said something like "America is going to see to it that this reset happens. We very much want to work closely with you on it, but please understand it's time for a reset". But this insane clown show was not required.

That's how it's done in a respectful, intelligent, professional way, instead of resorting to insults, accusations, mockery, anger, intimidation and punishment. We've now seriously damaged our relationships with our (former) friends, they're creating new trade relationships that don't include us, and it never had to happen.
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The RESTART begins today, and it WON'T be the United States groveling with FEELINGS like this op suggests.
:rolleyes:
 
citygator said:
I found it an extremely weak argument because it was non-specific and played the “America first” language without answering a litany of questions.

It did not answer:
  1. Why onshore? Our employment rate is full employment level with millions of openings. Factory jobs are LOW paying jobs not HIGH paying jobs. Service jobs are easier and pay better and are MORE valuable creating MORE economic benefit.
  2. What is unbalanced? The argument assumes trade parameters are wildly unbalanced without offering a shred of proof. Trade for many of the nations in the middle of this trade disaster enjoyed MFN status and practically free trade between our nations except for a few selected industries.
  3. What about automation? The author argues against himself claiming we need to onshore manufacturing for jobs then says labor is nearly unimportant because automation is replacing labor. He is wrong. A shoe for instance is too complex for automation.

Targeted tariffs against bad actors to rein them in on specific issues makes sense. A broad and random tax on Americans hidden as tariffs that are “paid by the shipping country” is an economic disaster. People don’t understand trade.

When I buy something it creates consumer surplus. If I buy a six pack for $10 it means it is worth more than $10 to me, so I get consumer SURPLUS = the value of the six pack - $10, the store gets producer surplus = $10 - cost.

This demonstrates why the way we measure the trade deficit is poor. We measure the $10 - cost because it can be objectively measured. & guess what sys maximizes total surplus? Yep, pure competition with no taxes. Taxes reduce both producer & consumer surplus creating a destruction of wealth EVEN counting the cut the gov gets.

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So I take it you're against higher income taxes also? Higher tariffs don't affect everyone nor every product.
 
Mac1958 said:
Rethinking Trade Tariffs: Why a Global Trade Reset is Good for Growth

For those of us who are pro-tariff but very much against the way this whole thing has been handled, that's a link to an articulate, intelligent argument for what Trump is doing. Obviously it's one-sided, but it is thoughtful and reasonable.

This is precisely the kind of argument that could have been made to our trading parters and (former) friends behind closed doors from the beginning. We could even have put the hammer down and said something like "America is going to see to it that this reset happens. We very much want to work closely with you on it, but please understand it's time for a reset". But this insane clown show was not required.

That's how it's done in a respectful, intelligent, professional way, instead of resorting to insults, accusations, mockery, anger, intimidation and punishment. We've now seriously damaged our relationships with our (former) friends, they're creating new trade relationships that don't include us, and it never had to happen.
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So, to sum up, Euro Weenies and knee jerk trump haters in America like mac1958 are willing to do what is in their best interests

But only if Trump asks them nicely

Or better yet only after Trump leaves office so that he gets no credit for it at all
 
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