Americans dishearten me at times

[DKSuddeth]

In 1980, when Reagan was elected to office, I started my high school career. I don't remember caring a whole lot about the president, congress, or politics in general simply because I was 14, trying to keep up in school, and generally just trying to be a kid. When Hinckley Jr attempted to assassinate Reagan, I was in algebra class when they announced it, I was so astounded to hear that anyone would attempt an assassination in our country in that day and age and it started me thinking. You might say it kickstarted my hunger for world knowledge. My respect for President Reagan grew immensely as time went on and I remember my very first vote I cast as an adult was for him. I was in marine corps bootcamp at the time but that didn't matter. I would have voted for him anyway.

Some of the articles I've read in the last two days have saddened me unbelievably. The way they've completely maligned a man that truly changed the world for the better is not only indicative of a very vindictive group of people, but completely cowardly and heartless that they waited til AFTER he died to do it. The articles on Slate, one by Ted Rall, and another by palast and hitchens are so heinous that its beyond comprehension that someone could be that hateful towards a man they most likely had never even met.

I was, and still am, proud to have served Ronald Reagan as my Commander in Chief and am grateful for his contribution to mankind and America. :usa:

 

[dmp]

you are SOO a 'conservative-in-denile'....

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
In 1980, when Reagan was elected to office, I started my high school career. I don't remember caring a whole lot about the president, congress, or politics in general simply because I was 14, trying to keep up in school, and generally just trying to be a kid. When Hinckley Jr attempted to assassinate Reagan, I was in algebra class when they announced it, I was so astounded to hear that anyone would attempt an assassination in our country in that day and age and it started me thinking. You might say it kickstarted my hunger for world knowledge. My respect for President Reagan grew immensely as time went on and I remember my very first vote I cast as an adult was for him. I was in marine corps bootcamp at the time but that didn't matter. I would have voted for him anyway.

Some of the articles I've read in the last two days have saddened me unbelievably. The way they've completely maligned a man that truly changed the world for the better is not only indicative of a very vindictive group of people, but completely cowardly and heartless that they waited til AFTER he died to do it. The articles on Slate, one by Ted Rall, and another by palast and hitchens are so heinous that its beyond comprehension that someone could be that hateful towards a man they most likely had never even met.

I was, and still am, proud to have served Ronald Reagan as my Commander in Chief and am grateful for his contribution to mankind and America. :usa:

Which group of people would that be, DK? I'm not sure I get your meaning.

Are talking about Liberals?

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by -=d=-
you are SOO a 'conservative-in-denile'....

nah, not me. :

one of the things that reagan did that got my respect was after his welfare cuts he came across a woman who was in serious jeopardy of losing everything because of money and he wrote her a $400 check so that she could catch up and look for a job. The man was wonderful.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
Which group of people would that be, DK? I'm not sure I get your meaning.

Are talking about Liberals?

I can't classify Rall, Hitchens, and Palast as liberals. To be a liberal you at least have to be human and they aren't.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
I can't classify Rall, Hitchens, and Palast as liberals. To be a liberal you at least have to be human and they aren't.

But in all seriousness, they are human and they are liberals. Dude, face it, you're not a liberal.

 

[OCA]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
In 1980, when Reagan was elected to office, I started my high school career. I don't remember caring a whole lot about the president, congress, or politics in general simply because I was 14, trying to keep up in school, and generally just trying to be a kid. When Hinckley Jr attempted to assassinate Reagan, I was in algebra class when they announced it, I was so astounded to hear that anyone would attempt an assassination in our country in that day and age and it started me thinking. You might say it kickstarted my hunger for world knowledge. My respect for President Reagan grew immensely as time went on and I remember my very first vote I cast as an adult was for him. I was in marine corps bootcamp at the time but that didn't matter. I would have voted for him anyway.

Some of the articles I've read in the last two days have saddened me unbelievably. The way they've completely maligned a man that truly changed the world for the better is not only indicative of a very vindictive group of people, but completely cowardly and heartless that they waited til AFTER he died to do it. The articles on Slate, one by Ted Rall, and another by palast and hitchens are so heinous that its beyond comprehension that someone could be that hateful towards a man they most likely had never even met.

I was, and still am, proud to have served Ronald Reagan as my Commander in Chief and am grateful for his contribution to mankind and America. :usa:

And are you honestly surprised that something like that would come from Slate? Slate is so screwed up and so far out of the realm of reality they are considered a joke. Hell thats why I got rid of MSN as a homepage because they had links to Slate right on the front page and I would follow it and the garbage they spewed even made Demos look conservative.

These same assholes will be giving Bubba a glowing review when he passes away.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
But in all seriousness, they are human and they are liberals. Dude, face it, you're not a liberal.

Its not fair to me that the radical far left hijacked what liberals were about. Do I then have to faced with only one alternative left because I'm not a radical lib? I daresay no. I'm liberal, just not a radical.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
nah, not me. :

one of the things that reagan did that got my respect was after his welfare cuts he came across a woman who was in serious jeopardy of losing everything because of money and he wrote her a $400 check so that she could catch up and look for a job. The man was wonderful.

You do realize that the conservative stance is one where private charity gives to needy and the socialist/liberal political stance is that we do it with government, right?

Notice he didn't wait for a "program" to tax you and I for $50 each to get her $.30 from us combined.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by NewGuy
You do realize that the conservative stance is one where private charity gives to needy and the socialist/liberal political stance is that we do it with government, right?

Notice he didn't wait for a "program" to tax you and I for $50 each to get her $.30 from us combined.

I do, I just happen to think that it doesn't happen enough in the private sector.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
I do, I just happen to think that it doesn't happen enough in the private sector.

Agreed with a big fat thumbs up.

 

[krisy]

Excellent post!! I'm hearing all this crap about people slamming Reagan and calling him names. Shameful,just shameful. This pisses me off to no end. He served our country for 8 years(not to mention his military service),brought and end to the cold war and did so many other things. The fact that someone would actually stomp on this wonderful man when he is down infuriates me to no end. They are extremists with no class. I'm even hearing on the radio about some French guy tearing him up in an article. What the hell is that? Mind your own business.

I am no Clinton fan,but I felt what he had to say about Reagan was very tasteful,funny and respectful. Jimmy Carter could have been nicer. My point though is,when Bill Clinton passes,I don't want to see Conservatives ripping him up. He was our President four 8 years. Although I did not and never would vote for a Clinton,this stuff is tasteless. No,I don't have a lot of respect for him,but would not think it was right for any President to be stomped on like this...I just can't believe it.

Dk,I applaud you for your respect and maturity to Ronal Reagan even though you are not a Republican.

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
I do, I just happen to think that it doesn't happen enough in the private sector.

Well stop it from happenning in the public sector and youd be surprised what happens.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by Avatar4321
Well stop it from happenning in the public sector and youd be surprised what happens.

I've seen what happens avatar. pull it from the public sector and it becomes a out of sight, out of mind' phenomena. Its happening here in dallas on a local level.

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
I've seen what happens avatar. pull it from the public sector and it becomes a out of sight, out of mind' phenomena. Its happening here in dallas on a local level.

Then start something yourself. Thats the beauty of America. We have the opportunity to initiate change ourselves.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
I've seen what happens avatar. pull it from the public sector and it becomes a out of sight, out of mind' phenomena. Its happening here in dallas on a local level.

Are you claiming churches do nothing?

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by NewGuy
Are you claiming churches do nothing?

No. Thats not my claim at all. Churches are limited in what they can provide sometimes because of not enough charitable donations but another limitation set upon them is some people are distrustful of the church. It's a complicated issue and not one thats solved by a one point solution.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
No. Thats not my claim at all. Churches are limited in what they can provide sometimes because of not enough charitable donations

You were talking about local level.

The churches DO provide enough if people USE them.

In addition, if the law requires a church to be a 503C non-profit in order to be allowed tax exempt status, and then they have to also follow rules in the regulation of their speech, they are crippled from the start.

If you get the government out, you can get the people help.

But then, that would decrease government money, power, and subversion of populace and could therefore never happen.

The obvious move to socialism.

but another limitation set upon them is some people are distrustful of the church. It's a complicated issue and not one thats solved by a one point solution.

That point right there is irrelevant, insignificant, and totally useless in the argument, though.

If someone is distrustful of a church offering a meal, do they starve and die?

Come on, they have NUMEROUS choices and a last resort safety net. The choices are to start a business, go to work, look for friends or relatives to help while doing both of the other two, or fall into the safety net of churches.

It is sheer LAZINESS combined with governmental subversion of charity that creates the problem.

Making excuses for it won't solve it, and you can't force people to take the charity. All you can do is put it out there and let them take it if they need it. That is why the work or starve type program at the onset of our nation was ethical and worked so well.

The churches picked up the slack, and people knew the ethical ones who NEEDED help always GOT HELP. The lazy or unwilling starved.

 

[dilloduck]

well put new guy-----just got back from a trip and saw what churches can do without even trying to make converts---just charity. The people doing with no expectation of reward are reaping benefits too

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Yes. DK. when you start losing everything becomes too complex to discuss. Right?