Americans bailing on EV's!!!

[skookerasbil]

Called this five years ago... Americans don't like EV's
Whooopsie

Nearly Half of U.S. EV Owners Say They Want to Return to Gasoline

Hey JC... freezing my balls off in NY. A month straight now below freezing
Damned global warming is killing me

 

[skookerasbil]

May I suggest to the climate crusaders..

 

[airplanemechanic]

Called this five years ago... Americans don't like EV's
Whooopsie

Nearly Half of U.S. EV Owners Say They Want to Return to Gasoline

Hey JC... freezing my ball off in NY. A month straight now below freezing
Damned global warming is killing me

I did too. I knew it was a fad.

When the range of a 300 mile EV drops to under 100 when the temps get into the single digits, the car becomes junk. People don't realize, cold weather reduces battery output. And combine that with the fact that occupants of EV's dont want to freeze, you now have to use that same battery to produce heat for the interior. That further reduces the range.

Meanwhile, ICE engines make MORE power in cold weather, and simply use engine heat to heat the interior as hot as you want to put it. Gas mileage basically stays the same.

EV's are glorified golf carts.

 

[sparky]

virtue signaling is all it's amounted to ~S~

 

[leftwinger]

Whatever will Leons' Tesla company do? What about all the Obiden charger stations?
< such a waste of trillions in that phony New Green Steal >

Change to hybrid?
Develop a decent battery?
Develop a fuel cell?
Change to other power source?

 

[Darkwind]

Called this five years ago... Americans don't like EV's
Whooopsie

Nearly Half of U.S. EV Owners Say They Want to Return to Gasoline

Hey JC... freezing my balls off in NY. A month straight now below freezing
Damned global warming is killing me

My 10 day forcast has us staying below freezing.

 

[Darkwind]

Whatever will Leons' Tesla company do? What about all the Obiden charger stations?
< such a waste of trillions in that phony New Green Steal >

Change to hybrid?
Develop a decent battery?
Develop a fuel cell?
Change to other power source?

There have been strides in Fuel Cell.

But the same problem exists as for EV's.

No infrastructure exists for them.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Called this five years ago... Americans don't like EV's
Whooopsie

Nearly Half of U.S. EV Owners Say They Want to Return to Gasoline

Hey JC... freezing my balls off in NY. A month straight now below freezing
Damned global warming is killing me

Canadians may learn the same lesson.

 

[Meister]

Called this five years ago... Americans don't like EV's
Whooopsie

Nearly Half of U.S. EV Owners Say They Want to Return to Gasoline

Hey JC... freezing my balls off in NY. A month straight now below freezing
Damned global warming is killing me

The history books will still tell of the Ford Edsel debacle,
and add to the paragraph, the EV's debacle.

 

[Hellbilly]

Called this five years ago... Americans don't like EV's
Whooopsie

Nearly Half of U.S. EV Owners Say They Want to Return to Gasoline

Hey JC... freezing my balls off in NY. A month straight now below freezing
Damned global warming is killing me

I work at an automotive dealership. At any one time at least 70% of the cars in service are EV’s. Terrible investment. Our dealership no longer sells them.

 

[skookerasbil]

Old Rocks said 10 years ago that EV's would be dominating by 2025...

 

[skookerasbil]

I work at an automotive dealership. At any one time at least 70% of the cars in service are EV’s. Terrible investment. Our dealership no longer sells them.

Yep...and the ones on lots sit there for months and months...
Dodge has a billion of them rusting on lots from coast to coast

 

[Manonthestreet]

We need to mandate solar panels on them or deploy-able panels when parked. Gotta save the viroment

 

[Samofvt]

There are a few benefits with EV's. They work great for some people in some situations. I can see where they'd be a great thing for city commuters in warm weather.

The first problem comes when you force people to go to them in situations where they just don't work. Long commutes, cold weather, rural areas...

The second problem comes with the massive environmental pollution caused by the poisonous lithium batteries that need to be replaced every 5 to 7 years. Let alone the hazards of mining raw lithium (currently outsourced to third world countries because it's so toxic). We really need to place an environmental impact fee on the sale of every Li-Ion battery over a certain size and plan to use the proceeds to cover dead battery storage and clean-up from the inevitable disasters that are being created by them (toxic fires, land/water pollution, ect ect ect).

The third problem: since states can't collect road fund use taxes from the sale of gas and diesel, we need to find a way to collect road use tax from these EVs. A mileage tax, an ev charging station tax (even at home), or an extra tax every time the car needs a new set of tires due to wear...something. IDK.

 

[jc456]

Called this five years ago... Americans don't like EV's
Whooopsie

Nearly Half of U.S. EV Owners Say They Want to Return to Gasoline

Hey JC... freezing my balls off in NY. A month straight now below freezing
Damned global warming is killing me

We were below zero for almost two weeks

 

[Old Rocks]

Called this five years ago... Americans don't like EV's
Whooopsie

Nearly Half of U.S. EV Owners Say They Want to Return to Gasoline

Hey JC... freezing my balls off in NY. A month straight now below freezing
Damned global warming is killing me

Going to be 70 degrees in some spots on the Oregon coast this coming weekend. In Salem, where I now live, low to high fifties in the day, low to mid-40's at night. Should be another good year for my lime tree and fig bush.

A temporary trend that will be reversed as soon as we rid ourselves of the present kakistocracy and the new batteries give the EV's ranges exceeding that of ICE vehicles. Of course, by then, we will be buying and using vehicles made in Asia because of our present incompetent President and cabinet.

 

[Old Rocks]

We were below zero for almost two weeks

LOL And we got down to 23 degrees, briefly, one night about a week ago.

 

[Old Rocks]

There are a few benefits with EV's. They work great for some people in some situations. I can see where they'd be a great thing for city commuters in warm weather.

The first problem comes when you force people to go to them in situations where they just don't work. Long commutes, cold weather, rural areas...

The second problem comes with the massive environmental pollution caused by the poisonous lithium batteries that need to be replaced every 5 to 7 years. Let alone the hazards of mining raw lithium (currently outsourced to third world countries because it's so toxic). We really need to place an environmental impact fee on the sale of every Li-Ion battery over a certain size and plan to use the proceeds to cover dead battery storage and clean-up from the inevitable disasters that are being created by them (toxic fires, land/water pollution, ect ect ect).

The third problem: since states can't collect road fund use taxes from the sale of gas and diesel, we need to find a way to collect road use tax from these EVs. A mileage tax, an ev charging station tax (even at home), or an extra tax every time the car needs a new set of tires due to wear...something. IDK.

Now just who is forcing people to buy EV's? And everything you said about mining lithium is incorrect. Perhaps you should apply that to tar sand mining for oil, and mountain top mining for coal. Both far dirtier than mining for lithium. I have yet to see a lithium mine destroy a whole town as has happened with coal.

Mileage tax when renewing your license, based on vehicle weight. Disadvantage for present EV's, however with some of the new battery chemistries, like sodium-sulfur, not a disadvantage at all.

In 1905, there were considerable disadvantages to owning a gas car compared to a horse and buggy. That changed rather rapidly. I expect that we will see the same with EV's. And because of our present government by kakistocracy, we will be getting our vehicles from Asia.

 

[Old Rocks]

We need to mandate solar panels on them or deploy-able panels when parked. Gotta save the viroment

Now why should we do that? Even with the opposition to solar from the malodorous mango, it is increasing capacity rapidly in the US. After all, utility bean counters are not impressed with the nonsense from whackadoodles, only what the account books show. And solar is the least expensive generation to install and maintain. Even when you include storage.

Growth​

The growth of solar energy in the U.S. is marked by a significant increase in utility-scale solar capacity and a strong presence in the renewable energy sector. Here are some key points highlighting the growth of solar in the U.S.:

• Utility-scale solar: In 2024, the U.S. added a record 30 gigawatts (GW) of utility-scale solar to the grid, accounting for 61% of new capacity additions. This trend is expected to continue in 2025 and 2026, with Texas and California leading the way in new capacity additions.
  
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• Solar's share of total electricity generation: Solar power has become the fastest-growing source of electricity generation in the U.S., increasing from 290 BkWh in 2025 to 424 BkWh by 2027.
  
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• Battery storage capacity: The electric power sector plans to expand battery capacity in ERCOT from about 15 GW in 2025 to 37 GW by the end of 2027, supporting fluctuations in solar output during the day.
  
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• Employment and investment: The solar industry has generated over $71 billion of private investment in the American economy in 2024, with 280,000 Americans employed in solar.
  
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• State-by-state growth: Solar power generation in the U.S. has seen major growth in many states, with California and Texas leading in 2023.
  
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  The growth of solar energy in the U.S. is a testament to the country's commitment to renewable energy and its ability to harness the sun's energy for a more sustainable future.
  
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[Old Rocks]

Whatever will Leons' Tesla company do? What about all the Obiden charger stations?
< such a waste of trillions in that phony New Green Steal >

Change to hybrid?
Develop a decent battery?
Develop a fuel cell?
Change to other power source?

We may already be there;

Abstract​

Room-temperature sodium–sulfur (Na–S) batteries offer a sustainable energy storage solution to conventional lithium (Li)-based systems<a data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" title="Liu, R. et al. Establishing reaction networks in the 16-electron sulfur reduction reaction. Nature 626, 98–104 (2024)." href="High-voltage anode-free sodium–sulfur batteries - Nature">1</a>,<a data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" title="Pan, H. et al. Non-encapsulation approach for high-performance Li–S batteries through controlled nucleation and growth. Nat. Energy 2, 813–820 (2017)." href="High-voltage anode-free sodium–sulfur batteries - Nature">2</a>,<a data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" title="Liao, M. et al. Hybrid polymer network cathode-enabled soluble-polysulfide-free lithium–sulfur batteries. Nat. Sustain. 7, 1709–1718 (2024)." href="High-voltage anode-free sodium–sulfur batteries - Nature">3</a>, owing to the high element abundances and theoretical electrochemical performance<a data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" title="Bai, R. et al. Preferable single-atom catalysts enabled by natural language processing for high energy density Na-S batteries. Nat. Commun. 16, 5827 (2025)." href="High-voltage anode-free sodium–sulfur batteries - Nature">4</a>,<a data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" title="Zhao, L. et al. A critical review on room-temperature sodium-sulfur batteries: from research advances to practical perspectives. Adv. Mater. 36, 2402337 (2024)." href="High-voltage anode-free sodium–sulfur batteries - Nature">5</a>. However, their practical applications have been severely hindered by the low discharge voltages and the need for largely excessive Na metal anode<a data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" title="Yao, W. et al. Rechargeable metal-sulfur batteries: key materials to mechanisms. Chem. Rev. 124, 4935–5118 (2024)." href="High-voltage anode-free sodium–sulfur batteries - Nature">6</a>,<a data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" title="He, J., Bhargav, A., Shin, W. &amp; Manthiram, A. Stable dendrite-free sodium–sulfur batteries enabled by a localized high-concentration electrolyte. J. Am. Chem. Soc. 143, 20241–20248 (2021)." href="High-voltage anode-free sodium–sulfur batteries - Nature">7</a>,<a data-track="click" data-track-action="reference anchor" data-track-label="link" data-test="citation-ref" title="Lei, Y.-J. et al. Understanding the charge transfer effects of single atoms for boosting the performance of Na–S batteries. Nat. Commun. 15, 3325 (2024)." href="High-voltage anode-free sodium–sulfur batteries - Nature">8</a>. Here we report a 3.6 V class Na–S battery featuring a high-valence sulfur/sulfur tetrachloride (S/SCl4) cathode chemistry and anode-free configuration. We show that sodium dicyanamide (NaDCA) can simultaneously unlock reversible S/SCl4 conversion and Na plating/stripping in a non-flammable chloroaluminate electrolyte. This design enables the maximum energy and power densities of 1,198 Wh kg−1 and 23,773 W kg−1, respectively, calculated on the basis of the total electrode mass including both the cathode and the anode. Also, we demonstrate facilitated S/SCl4 conversion by incorporating a bismuth-coordinated covalent organic framework (Bi-COF) catalyst (8 wt% loading) into the S cathode, which realizes an impressive discharge capacity of 1,206 mAh g(sulfur+catalyst)−1, contributing to a maximum energy density of 2,021 Wh kg−1 calculated on the basis of the total electrode mass. With an estimated cost of US$5.03 per kWh and excellent scalability, our anode-free Na–S battery shows promise in grid energy storage and wearable electronics.

High-voltage anode-free sodium–sulfur batteries - Nature

A new architecture based on high-valence sulfur/sulfur tetrachloride cathode chemistry is described for manufacturing high-voltage anode-free sodium–sulfur batteries, demonstrating promise for applications in grid energy storage and wearable electronics.

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