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American Healthcare: a Hostage Crisis that's Killing our Economy

Who will have the intelligence, the brass nugs & vitality for TRUE healthcare (economic) reform?

  • Hillary

  • Carson

  • Kasich

  • Rubio

  • Christie

  • Sanders

  • Fiorina

  • Trump

  • Cruz

  • Bush


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Voters beware: Your favorite candidate can't do crap about the following unless s/he has BIG BRASS BALLS. (edit: I added Bush to the poll as an afterthought...something in my subconscious didn't bring the name "Bush" to mind when considering "a run for president in 2016"...lol..)

Obamacare was nothing but a supreme capitulation to lobbying blackmail/pressure that there be no public healthcare. The private insurance companies wanted to force poorer people to buy their product. They just retooled the "sliding scale" to equal the same cash inflow. There was no hurt felt by them and that was the ultimate goal forced upon Obama. It was his worst failure dressed up as a "success". But he is not singularly to blame. BigHealth is the real culprit. He was just a pussy in the face of them. They were the mafia and he was the spineless chump "trying weakly to change things".. They mowed him down like grass and kept all their hostages quite nicely, thank you very much.

This nation is in economic freefall for one industry: BigHealth. The people do want to be taxed to pay for free healthcare. The richer folk can still purchase private insurance for premium care. But that way BigHealth will take a hit. The barrier between economic well being & us is BigHealth. They demand the equivalent of a second mortgage be handed to them by the American family and they demand the equivalent of about 1/3 of the revenue for companies to hire more workers. They have our nation hostage and all other business is suffering.

You didn't notice it quite as much when the economy was strong. But now the Giant Leech is exposed and everyone else is taking the hit; even many of the 1% wondering "why is all the money being spent somewhere besides my industry??" Guess what, families consider healthcare a priority. When they're done getting it...Obamacare or not...what tiny little disposable income some may have is GONE.

That's why maybe nobody has a "right" to free healthcare yet (paid for by sales taxes on tobacco, booze & sugar, tax breaks for those who make their yearly checkups, small co-pay to cover actual costs at clinics), but it is economic stupidity that We allow BigHealth to hold us hostage. We have the right to enact free healthcare for ourselves using Article 1, Section 8...to collect taxes (at the register) to provide for Our Own common Welfare...like we do for fire, police, roads, military etc. What could be more of a necessity for protection of human life than healthcare?

If we stop the hemorrhaging of the American family income at its root, their disposable income will nearly double, and so will their purchasing power. If we stop the hemorrhaging of the American business outlay at its root, there will be more jobs....more startups...more innovation free from fear of too much overhead to make a profit. There will be more income tax revenue, higher GDP, less debt and more economic growth..

Hmmm...more disposable American income to spend and create demand...more jobs...more home sales, more vacations taken...more oil purchased.. more luxuries demanded...

..or not...
 
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And in related news.....These guys don't buy new homes, cars, or take vacations..

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But these guys DO...

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Ah...the "Great Mystery" of our dying economy...so difficult to figure out! So complicated!! In fact it's too complicated to explain so a good "complicated mystery" will keep people from probing too deep to find the solution is really quite simple.

Canada has already figured all this math out and their economy is stronger than ours as a result. They also have capitalism and free healthcare. They also require a certain percentage of assembly be done by human workers. Who knew we could have both social/economic stability and capitalism?! People who can do simple math...that's who..
 
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I guess you vote on the poll for who you think would actually 1. Have the compassion (the first hurdle based on morality for one's fellows), 2. The intelligence to see the erosion caused to our economy by this one industry. 3. The grit and tenacity and vigor to stand up to the mafia. 4. The candidate with the reputation for not backing down and working an agenda with the relentlessness of a bull
 
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An afterthought: The candidate able to stand up to BigHealth mafia might also be able to tackle Putin, China, N. Korea and the people actually behind ISIS.. So the choice will be like killing two birds with one stone. Remember, we're choosing a leader, not the King or Queen of the Spring prom.. The lady or guy you choose you should feel like you can leave on the top tower of the castle knowing you can sleep at night under that watch.
 

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The problem cost shifting and monopolistic practices by the healthcare industry causing out of control pricing. The regulators have been captured.
 
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The problem cost shifting and monopolistic practices by the healthcare industry causing out of control pricing. The regulators have been captured.
And the minute someone goes to sleep at the wheel or takes bribes from lobbiests etc., we'll be right back where we are today. Since healthcare is so vital to human concerns, it cannot be allowed to be in the free market for the masses (the rich can still get their premium care). And that is precisely because the temptation and effectiveness of holding people hostage with their fear of their very life (being deprived essential healthcare) is just too great. Time and again we see such a hostage situation and monopolies will always thrive there.

It's like privatizing fire protection which I guess actually happened in the past. It got to be that houses would just burn down if folks didn't hand over the cash to the firefighters first. That is an unacceptable hostage situation. As a result of the healthcare hostage situation, our economy is DYING..
 
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Here are my issues with the various candidates as to the 1. Have the compassion (the first hurdle based on morality for one's fellows), 2. The intelligence to see the erosion caused to our economy by this one industry. 3. The grit and tenacity and vigor to stand up to the mafia. 4. The candidate with the reputation for not backing down and working an agenda with the relentlessness of a bull...requirements..
  1. Hillary has the compassion and intelligence and grit and relentlessness; but lacks the vigor. Female, 70-something upon Office. They beat her down before like Obama and they'll do it again. Plus, she's already saying she's going to capitulate to BigHealth and "compromise". Plus on honesty. Minus on integrity.
  2. Carson has the compassion & intelligence, but wholly lacks the grit and relentlessness and vigor. Too soft spoken.
  3. Kasich may not have the compassion, does have intelligence, some grit, some vigor, perhaps too establishment to care.
  4. Rubio lacks the maturity/intellect or ability to integrate the concepts and relatedness of issues in the OP. Too young.
  5. Christie has compassion, huge on grit and tenacity. Least likely to fold to pressure IF he adopts the intellect of cause & effect.
  6. Sanders has compassion in spades, intellect, grit and tenacity but by virtue of sheer age (75 upon Office) will be mown down.
  7. Fiorina may be too religious about conservativism to have compassion and the intellect to see cause & effect in the OP...plus, California...no thanks....seen enough of the women from California for one lifetime..
  8. Trump will have zero compassion when the bottom line is discussed. Business and compassion don't exist in the same universe.
  9. Cruz may have compassion but too establishment-religious, like Fiorina. Plus, he has a Canadian birth certificate..
  10. Bush ...seriously? Bush? ...OK.. if the hurdle of a surname akin to "Hitler" can be overcome on the ballot, Bush lacks compassion, intellect but does have grit and tenacity. Any Bush will apply their dumb tenacity towards the stupidest goal with the most immediate gain to them and their cronies personally. Second of the worst two terrible choices only behind Trump.
 
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Lotta words, no actual facts...
 

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The problem cost shifting and monopolistic practices by the healthcare industry causing out of control pricing. The regulators have been captured.
Since healthcare is so vital to human concerns, it cannot be allowed to be in the free market for the masses (the rich can still get their premium care)...


Couldn't disagree more. It should be like pre-Reagan years with affordable healthcare cost and charity hospitals for the truly poor or for those who have priorities elsewhere.
 
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Couldn't disagree more. It should be like pre-Reagan years with affordable healthcare cost and charity hospitals for the truly poor or for those who have priorities elsewhere.

Why? Should police and fire protection also be privatized? Remember what I said here:

the minute someone goes to sleep at the wheel or takes bribes from lobbiests etc., we'll be right back where we are today. Since healthcare is so vital to human concerns, it cannot be allowed to be in the free market for the masses (the rich can still get their premium care). And that is precisely because the temptation and effectiveness of holding people hostage with their fear of their very life (being deprived essential healthcare) is just too great. Time and again we see such a hostage situation and monopolies will always thrive there.

It's like privatizing fire protection which I guess actually happened in the past. It got to be that houses would just burn down if folks didn't hand over the cash to the firefighters first.

People's lives are "burning down" from health-caused bankruptcies...businesses are "burning down" not being able to compete by having to provide healthcare (and thereby strip other folks of jobs where that money could have gone), our economy is "burning down"....and all of it is happening because of the BigHealth hostage situation..
 
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...the cut-and-pastes you cribbed from other sites? Failure to acknowledge your sources is called "plagiarism." But I guess that's allowed on this board.
I always link my sources. Always. And if I didn't once it was only by forgetting to. I'm religious about giving credit where it's due.

Nice strawman BTW. Get back to me with your "special math" on how less jobs and reduced buying power caused by BigHealth ISN'T hurting our economy... :popcorn:
 

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Couldn't disagree more. It should be like pre-Reagan years with affordable healthcare cost and charity hospitals for the truly poor or for those who have priorities elsewhere.

Why? Should police and fire protection also be privatized? Remember what I said here:

the minute someone goes to sleep at the wheel or takes bribes from lobbiests etc., we'll be right back where we are today. Since healthcare is so vital to human concerns, it cannot be allowed to be in the free market for the masses (the rich can still get their premium care). And that is precisely because the temptation and effectiveness of holding people hostage with their fear of their very life (being deprived essential healthcare) is just too great. Time and again we see such a hostage situation and monopolies will always thrive there.

It's like privatizing fire protection which I guess actually happened in the past. It got to be that houses would just burn down if folks didn't hand over the cash to the firefighters first.

People's lives are "burning down" from health-caused bankruptcies...businesses are "burning down" not being able to compete by having to provide healthcare (and thereby strip other folks of jobs where that money could have gone), our economy is "burning down"....and all of it is happening because of the BigHealth hostage situation..

1. Healthcare is not a natural right.
2. Because it's not in the Fed gov mandate to provide healthcare; there is an amendment process it must go through if it wants to get involved.
Police and fire are dealt with a the local level. If they want to privatize, get rid of, or whatever its up to community they serve to decide.

If the Fed gov would use the same anti-trust enforcement standards on the healthcare industry it dose everywhere else there would be no "burning down".
 

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answer to the op .... nobody.


backing out of ACA is political fodder.


Can't and won't be done. Go back to fake birth certificates.
 
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Fire kills people. Lack of healthcare kills people. What's the difference?
 

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