American children will praise Allah

[Tilly]

Bottom line: The left sees no problem with this but the moment students were instructed to write Jesus is the true savior watch them go rabid. They can deny it all day long but I know better. Liberals are hypocrites

What would be the educational purpose of writing "Jesus is the true savior"? The educational purpose of this exercise was to appreciate the artistry of the calligraphy.

I would have no problem with kids learning the content of the Hail Mary, the Lord's Prayer, or the Nicene Creed in order to learn about Christianity, but I see no educational purpose to writing down "Jesus is the true savior".

one need not write out ALLAH IS THE GREATEST and THE ONE AND ONLY GOD in Arabic to be acquainted with CALLIGRAPHY-------In fact Arabic calligraphy is a NEW COMER to the world of Calligraphy and, THEREFORE, such a lesson is misleading. I would not be keen on HAIL MARY as a fifth grade
lesson either. OR the Nicene creed. ----as in "write it out three times"

The Lord's Prayer has been banned already. As a kid I said it every morning----but it is now gone. -----a story-----in the first grade the kid who sat next to me----
to my unending exasperation------used to say "HOLLOWED BE THY NAME"
instead of "HALLOWED......" 'that's how meaningless the prayer was to
lots of kids. The prayer itself is kinda non-sectarian in a land of Christians and
jews-------but it is unfair to hindus------and to Sioux indians

Learning the content of the Lord's Prayer in an educational context has nor been banned. Reciting it has, because that has no secular, educational purpose but is religious praying.

This was not a calligraphy lesson, it was a World Geography lesson in the Middle Eastern section. They were learning about Arab culture, which includes "gasp" Islamic calligraphy!

They should have used calligraphy that said "see Spot run". They wouldn't have a mess on their hands if they had of

What does "See spot run" have to do with Arab culture?

You rubes have been throwing a lot of hypothetical at me to test me. Let's see how you do ...

Do you have a problem with kids learning the 5 pillars of Islam in World Geography?

If they are so concerned with Arabic culture they have plenty of Islamic poetry to choose from.

 

[Davros]

Why not execute them too?

Show me where Islam says that merely by copying or saying something you are converted. Seems to me you'd have to say it and believe it to become a convert.

So when the schools teach the English language to Islamic Somalis immigrants or Syrian refugees, et al. I suggest they should start with having them write in English "Jesus Christ is the One True God, there is no other God, and we shall serve HIM."

No. They weren't teaching the kids Arabic. They were having them copy an example of calligraphy. I already said I don't particularly like the assignment. I also said they're changing it next year.

But your analogy is not the same at all. The purpose of the assignment was merely to appreciate the complicated calligraphy. It also stated in the assignment that Muslims consider it a critical statement of belief. It is educational to have the kids learn what the 5 pillars of Islam are.

What you are suggesting is indoctrination targetted towards particular kids, not a general educational asignment about the Middle East.

But your analogy is not the same at all. The purpose of the assignment was merely to appreciate the complicated calligraphy. It also stated in the assignment that Muslims consider it a critical statement of belief. It is educational to have the kids learn what the 5 pillars of Islam are.

What you are suggesting is indoctrination targetted towards particular kids, not a general educational asignment about the Middle East.

My analogy carries far more truth and implication than does your statement it was "merely to appreciate complicated calligraphy." Bunk. Just how stupid can a teacher be? Like they are not aware of what is taking place in this world with Islamic terrorism? Like they cannot put 2 & 2 together? Like they could not have chosen some sentence or statement that had nothing to do with Allah or the Koran to teach calligraphy?

Your suggestions as to what is taking place here is insulting, IMO.

And they agreed to change the assignment. Nonetheless, no student was harmed by attempting to copy down a piece of art that has a religious message in Arabic. None. What exactly are you suggesting has taken place here? An attempt to convert kids to Islam, to mark them for slaughter as "apostates"? Both suggestions are absolutely absurd.

It is inconceivable that those who planned the assignment didn't check what the freaking words meant. The unwitting children have been reverted it's a disgrace, like feeding children halal without them knowing.

They did know what the words meant. It was still harmless as the rest of your post proves.

 

[irosie91]

What would be the educational purpose of writing "Jesus is the true savior"? The educational purpose of this exercise was to appreciate the artistry of the calligraphy.

I would have no problem with kids learning the content of the Hail Mary, the Lord's Prayer, or the Nicene Creed in order to learn about Christianity, but I see no educational purpose to writing down "Jesus is the true savior".

one need not write out ALLAH IS THE GREATEST and THE ONE AND ONLY GOD in Arabic to be acquainted with CALLIGRAPHY-------In fact Arabic calligraphy is a NEW COMER to the world of Calligraphy and, THEREFORE, such a lesson is misleading. I would not be keen on HAIL MARY as a fifth grade
lesson either. OR the Nicene creed. ----as in "write it out three times"

The Lord's Prayer has been banned already. As a kid I said it every morning----but it is now gone. -----a story-----in the first grade the kid who sat next to me----
to my unending exasperation------used to say "HOLLOWED BE THY NAME"
instead of "HALLOWED......" 'that's how meaningless the prayer was to
lots of kids. The prayer itself is kinda non-sectarian in a land of Christians and
jews-------but it is unfair to hindus------and to Sioux indians

Learning the content of the Lord's Prayer in an educational context has nor been banned. Reciting it has, because that has no secular, educational purpose but is religious praying.

This was not a calligraphy lesson, it was a World Geography lesson in the Middle Eastern section. They were learning about Arab culture, which includes "gasp" Islamic calligraphy!

They should have used calligraphy that said "see Spot run". They wouldn't have a mess on their hands if they had of

What does "See spot run" have to do with Arab culture?

You rubes have been throwing a lot of hypothetical at me to test me. Let's see how you do ...

Do you have a problem with kids learning the 5 pillars of Islam in World Geography?

If they are so concerned with Arabic culture they have plenty of Islamic poetry to choose from.

uhm ----made that "Arabic poetry" -------another interesting factoid----
not all "Arabic poetry" is "Islamic" -------I have stories-----but------
as I have been told-----this board has had enough of my "stories"

 

[Skull Pilot]

You're three days late and two dollars short.

The teachers were not trying to convert students to Islam. Do you think someone can be converted to a religion by copying a piece of calligraphy?

Next year the assignment will be changed to use a different piece of calligraphy. Probably smart, but the original was not the conspiracy you rubes believe it to be.

The libbies would have seizures if teachers had kids write the 10 commandments for a penmanship lesson

Why are they not upset about this then???

Because this was part of a lesson about Arabic culture, not a writing lesson. I don't like the assignment particularly, but I am not having conniptions about it like you rubes are either because I recognize the FACT that it was truly a harmless assignment.

I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the left I am not upset about it per say I am just wondering why if while studying christian cultures forcing students to write bible verses would be allowed

Surely one can teach arabic culture without forcing student to copy religious declarations

 

[Davros]

Why not execute them too?

Show me where Islam says that merely by copying or saying something you are converted. Seems to me you'd have to say it and believe it to become a convert.

So when the schools teach the English language to Islamic Somalis immigrants or Syrian refugees, et al. I suggest they should start with having them write in English "Jesus Christ is the One True God, there is no other God, and we shall serve HIM."

No. They weren't teaching the kids Arabic. They were having them copy an example of calligraphy. I already said I don't particularly like the assignment. I also said they're changing it next year.

But your analogy is not the same at all. The purpose of the assignment was merely to appreciate the complicated calligraphy. It also stated in the assignment that Muslims consider it a critical statement of belief. It is educational to have the kids learn what the 5 pillars of Islam are.

What you are suggesting is indoctrination targetted towards particular kids, not a general educational asignment about the Middle East.

But your analogy is not the same at all. The purpose of the assignment was merely to appreciate the complicated calligraphy. It also stated in the assignment that Muslims consider it a critical statement of belief. It is educational to have the kids learn what the 5 pillars of Islam are.

What you are suggesting is indoctrination targetted towards particular kids, not a general educational asignment about the Middle East.

My analogy carries far more truth and implication than does your statement it was "merely to appreciate complicated calligraphy." Bunk. Just how stupid can a teacher be? Like they are not aware of what is taking place in this world with Islamic terrorism? Like they cannot put 2 & 2 together? Like they could not have chosen some sentence or statement that had nothing to do with Allah or the Koran to teach calligraphy?

Your suggestions as to what is taking place here is insulting, IMO.

And they agreed to change the assignment. Nonetheless, no student was harmed by attempting to copy down a piece of art that has a religious message in Arabic. None. What exactly are you suggesting has taken place here? An attempt to convert kids to Islam, to mark them for slaughter as "apostates"? Both suggestions are absolutely absurd.

It is inconceivable that those who planned the assignment didn't check what the freaking words meant. The unwitting children have been reverted it's a disgrace, like feeding children halal without them knowing.

They did know what the words meant. It was still harmless as the rest of your post proves.

It is inconceivable that those who planned the assignment didn't check what the freaking words meant. The unwitting children have been reverted it's a disgrace, like feeding children halal without them knowing.

For this poster or that teacher or that school to call it an honest mistake is virtually indefensible. Nor is this anywhere near the first time American public schools have tried subtly or nefariously to send out messages about how "peaceful or wonderful" Islam is. All the while they have radar scanning the airwaves if they hear a teacher or coach or public official mention God or Jesus or Bible in any connotation.

And there it is ... you want hatred of Islam to be taught. Plain and simple. You don't want American youths to understand the truth about Islam, you want them to only know your "truth" which is that Islam is evil and Muslims are terrorists.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So when the schools teach the English language to Islamic Somalis immigrants or Syrian refugees, et al. I suggest they should start with having them write in English "Jesus Christ is the One True God, there is no other God, and we shall serve HIM."

No. They weren't teaching the kids Arabic. They were having them copy an example of calligraphy. I already said I don't particularly like the assignment. I also said they're changing it next year.

But your analogy is not the same at all. The purpose of the assignment was merely to appreciate the complicated calligraphy. It also stated in the assignment that Muslims consider it a critical statement of belief. It is educational to have the kids learn what the 5 pillars of Islam are.

What you are suggesting is indoctrination targetted towards particular kids, not a general educational asignment about the Middle East.

But your analogy is not the same at all. The purpose of the assignment was merely to appreciate the complicated calligraphy. It also stated in the assignment that Muslims consider it a critical statement of belief. It is educational to have the kids learn what the 5 pillars of Islam are.

What you are suggesting is indoctrination targetted towards particular kids, not a general educational asignment about the Middle East.

My analogy carries far more truth and implication than does your statement it was "merely to appreciate complicated calligraphy." Bunk. Just how stupid can a teacher be? Like they are not aware of what is taking place in this world with Islamic terrorism? Like they cannot put 2 & 2 together? Like they could not have chosen some sentence or statement that had nothing to do with Allah or the Koran to teach calligraphy?

Your suggestions as to what is taking place here is insulting, IMO.

And they agreed to change the assignment. Nonetheless, no student was harmed by attempting to copy down a piece of art that has a religious message in Arabic. None. What exactly are you suggesting has taken place here? An attempt to convert kids to Islam, to mark them for slaughter as "apostates"? Both suggestions are absolutely absurd.

It is inconceivable that those who planned the assignment didn't check what the freaking words meant. The unwitting children have been reverted it's a disgrace, like feeding children halal without them knowing.

They did know what the words meant. It was still harmless as the rest of your post proves.

So then copying the bible in latin would be OK with you as a lesson in western culture?

 

[Katzndogz]

If the people who proposed this lesson in idiocy really didn't know the meaning of the words they need to be removed. The shahada is on every Isis flag in white on a black background. That's what the children should be told about islam, not the proper method of surrendering to that flag.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Bottom line: The left sees no problem with this but the moment students were instructed to write Jesus is the true savior watch them go rabid. They can deny it all day long but I know better. Liberals are hypocrites

What would be the educational purpose of writing "Jesus is the true savior"? The educational purpose of this exercise was to appreciate the artistry of the calligraphy.

I would have no problem with kids learning the content of the Hail Mary, the Lord's Prayer, or the Nicene Creed in order to learn about Christianity, but I see no educational purpose to writing down "Jesus is the true savior".

one need not write out ALLAH IS THE GREATEST and THE ONE AND ONLY GOD in Arabic to be acquainted with CALLIGRAPHY-------In fact Arabic calligraphy is a NEW COMER to the world of Calligraphy and, THEREFORE, such a lesson is misleading. I would not be keen on HAIL MARY as a fifth grade
lesson either. OR the Nicene creed. ----as in "write it out three times"

The Lord's Prayer has been banned already. As a kid I said it every morning----but it is now gone. -----a story-----in the first grade the kid who sat next to me----
to my unending exasperation------used to say "HOLLOWED BE THY NAME"
instead of "HALLOWED......" 'that's how meaningless the prayer was to
lots of kids. The prayer itself is kinda non-sectarian in a land of Christians and
jews-------but it is unfair to hindus------and to Sioux indians

Learning the content of the Lord's Prayer in an educational context has nor been banned. Reciting it has, because that has no secular, educational purpose but is religious praying.

This was not a calligraphy lesson, it was a World Geography lesson in the Middle Eastern section. They were learning about Arab culture, which includes "gasp" Islamic calligraphy!

They should have used calligraphy that said "see Spot run". They wouldn't have a mess on their hands if they had of

What does "See spot run" have to do with Arab culture?

You rubes have been throwing a lot of hypothetical at me to test me. Let's see how you do ...

Do you have a problem with kids learning the 5 pillars of Islam in World Geography?

Yeah I'd have a problem if a teacher tried to teach the five pillars of Islam, it has zero to do with geography and everything to do with religion

 

[Tilly]

one need not write out ALLAH IS THE GREATEST and THE ONE AND ONLY GOD in Arabic to be acquainted with CALLIGRAPHY-------In fact Arabic calligraphy is a NEW COMER to the world of Calligraphy and, THEREFORE, such a lesson is misleading. I would not be keen on HAIL MARY as a fifth grade
lesson either. OR the Nicene creed. ----as in "write it out three times"

The Lord's Prayer has been banned already. As a kid I said it every morning----but it is now gone. -----a story-----in the first grade the kid who sat next to me----
to my unending exasperation------used to say "HOLLOWED BE THY NAME"
instead of "HALLOWED......" 'that's how meaningless the prayer was to
lots of kids. The prayer itself is kinda non-sectarian in a land of Christians and
jews-------but it is unfair to hindus------and to Sioux indians

Learning the content of the Lord's Prayer in an educational context has nor been banned. Reciting it has, because that has no secular, educational purpose but is religious praying.

This was not a calligraphy lesson, it was a World Geography lesson in the Middle Eastern section. They were learning about Arab culture, which includes "gasp" Islamic calligraphy!

They should have used calligraphy that said "see Spot run". They wouldn't have a mess on their hands if they had of

What does "See spot run" have to do with Arab culture?

You rubes have been throwing a lot of hypothetical at me to test me. Let's see how you do ...

Do you have a problem with kids learning the 5 pillars of Islam in World Geography?

If they are so concerned with Arabic culture they have plenty of Islamic poetry to choose from.

uhm ----made that "Arabic poetry" -------another interesting factoid----
not all "Arabic poetry" is "Islamic" -------I have stories-----but------
as I have been told-----this board has had enough of my "stories"

Yes, I agree, Arabic poetry.

 

[Davros]

What would be the educational purpose of writing "Jesus is the true savior"? The educational purpose of this exercise was to appreciate the artistry of the calligraphy.

I would have no problem with kids learning the content of the Hail Mary, the Lord's Prayer, or the Nicene Creed in order to learn about Christianity, but I see no educational purpose to writing down "Jesus is the true savior".

one need not write out ALLAH IS THE GREATEST and THE ONE AND ONLY GOD in Arabic to be acquainted with CALLIGRAPHY-------In fact Arabic calligraphy is a NEW COMER to the world of Calligraphy and, THEREFORE, such a lesson is misleading. I would not be keen on HAIL MARY as a fifth grade
lesson either. OR the Nicene creed. ----as in "write it out three times"

The Lord's Prayer has been banned already. As a kid I said it every morning----but it is now gone. -----a story-----in the first grade the kid who sat next to me----
to my unending exasperation------used to say "HOLLOWED BE THY NAME"
instead of "HALLOWED......" 'that's how meaningless the prayer was to
lots of kids. The prayer itself is kinda non-sectarian in a land of Christians and
jews-------but it is unfair to hindus------and to Sioux indians

Learning the content of the Lord's Prayer in an educational context has nor been banned. Reciting it has, because that has no secular, educational purpose but is religious praying.

This was not a calligraphy lesson, it was a World Geography lesson in the Middle Eastern section. They were learning about Arab culture, which includes "gasp" Islamic calligraphy!

They should have used calligraphy that said "see Spot run". They wouldn't have a mess on their hands if they had of

What does "See spot run" have to do with Arab culture?

You rubes have been throwing a lot of hypothetical at me to test me. Let's see how you do ...

Do you have a problem with kids learning the 5 pillars of Islam in World Geography?

yes------unless they are also learning the basics of other religions------the real
basics which is not going to happen. In all cases when it comes to religion---
things are a bit slanted to the contemporaneous sweet talk . Another problem is
that the kids themselves get involved in their own (read that ---stuff they learned at
home and in their "places of worship") -----REPARTEE with their classmates. We
do not know much about the actual lesson. Just the "example of middle east
calligraphy" excuse annoys me. Arabic calligraphy ----compared to other examples of calligraphy in the middle and far east is-------not an example----
it is a pale copy. An interesting factoid of Arabic calligraphy is that it is used
as a kind of decoration in place of figurative art. ----------like-----Christians were
already doing decorative calligraphy before the rapist was born. In fact----so were
Persians and Jews. ----------I have no idea if the writers of Sanskrit texts did it-----
but I would guess they did. Chinese and Japanise artists -----so stuff too------and started LONG LONG AGO ----------Egyptians----cannot be outdone

In World Geography they should learn the basics of all major religions as part of understanding the culture and practices of people around the world.

We get that you hate Arabs and want hatred of Arabs and Islam to be taught in the schools.

 

[Skull Pilot]

one need not write out ALLAH IS THE GREATEST and THE ONE AND ONLY GOD in Arabic to be acquainted with CALLIGRAPHY-------In fact Arabic calligraphy is a NEW COMER to the world of Calligraphy and, THEREFORE, such a lesson is misleading. I would not be keen on HAIL MARY as a fifth grade
lesson either. OR the Nicene creed. ----as in "write it out three times"

The Lord's Prayer has been banned already. As a kid I said it every morning----but it is now gone. -----a story-----in the first grade the kid who sat next to me----
to my unending exasperation------used to say "HOLLOWED BE THY NAME"
instead of "HALLOWED......" 'that's how meaningless the prayer was to
lots of kids. The prayer itself is kinda non-sectarian in a land of Christians and
jews-------but it is unfair to hindus------and to Sioux indians

Learning the content of the Lord's Prayer in an educational context has nor been banned. Reciting it has, because that has no secular, educational purpose but is religious praying.

This was not a calligraphy lesson, it was a World Geography lesson in the Middle Eastern section. They were learning about Arab culture, which includes "gasp" Islamic calligraphy!

They should have used calligraphy that said "see Spot run". They wouldn't have a mess on their hands if they had of

What does "See spot run" have to do with Arab culture?

You rubes have been throwing a lot of hypothetical at me to test me. Let's see how you do ...

Do you have a problem with kids learning the 5 pillars of Islam in World Geography?

yes------unless they are also learning the basics of other religions------the real
basics which is not going to happen. In all cases when it comes to religion---
things are a bit slanted to the contemporaneous sweet talk . Another problem is
that the kids themselves get involved in their own (read that ---stuff they learned at
home and in their "places of worship") -----REPARTEE with their classmates. We
do not know much about the actual lesson. Just the "example of middle east
calligraphy" excuse annoys me. Arabic calligraphy ----compared to other examples of calligraphy in the middle and far east is-------not an example----
it is a pale copy. An interesting factoid of Arabic calligraphy is that it is used
as a kind of decoration in place of figurative art. ----------like-----Christians were
already doing decorative calligraphy before the rapist was born. In fact----so were
Persians and Jews. ----------I have no idea if the writers of Sanskrit texts did it-----
but I would guess they did. Chinese and Japanise artists -----so stuff too------and started LONG LONG AGO ----------Egyptians----cannot be outdone

In World Geography they should learn the basics of all major religions as part of understanding the culture and practices of people around the world.

We get that you hate Arabs and want hatred of Arabs and Islam to be taught in the schools.

Yet even mentioning christianity is not allowed never mind the study of its basic tenets

 

[SassyIrishLass]

one need not write out ALLAH IS THE GREATEST and THE ONE AND ONLY GOD in Arabic to be acquainted with CALLIGRAPHY-------In fact Arabic calligraphy is a NEW COMER to the world of Calligraphy and, THEREFORE, such a lesson is misleading. I would not be keen on HAIL MARY as a fifth grade
lesson either. OR the Nicene creed. ----as in "write it out three times"

The Lord's Prayer has been banned already. As a kid I said it every morning----but it is now gone. -----a story-----in the first grade the kid who sat next to me----
to my unending exasperation------used to say "HOLLOWED BE THY NAME"
instead of "HALLOWED......" 'that's how meaningless the prayer was to
lots of kids. The prayer itself is kinda non-sectarian in a land of Christians and
jews-------but it is unfair to hindus------and to Sioux indians

Learning the content of the Lord's Prayer in an educational context has nor been banned. Reciting it has, because that has no secular, educational purpose but is religious praying.

This was not a calligraphy lesson, it was a World Geography lesson in the Middle Eastern section. They were learning about Arab culture, which includes "gasp" Islamic calligraphy!

They should have used calligraphy that said "see Spot run". They wouldn't have a mess on their hands if they had of

What does "See spot run" have to do with Arab culture?

You rubes have been throwing a lot of hypothetical at me to test me. Let's see how you do ...

Do you have a problem with kids learning the 5 pillars of Islam in World Geography?

yes------unless they are also learning the basics of other religions------the real
basics which is not going to happen. In all cases when it comes to religion---
things are a bit slanted to the contemporaneous sweet talk . Another problem is
that the kids themselves get involved in their own (read that ---stuff they learned at
home and in their "places of worship") -----REPARTEE with their classmates. We
do not know much about the actual lesson. Just the "example of middle east
calligraphy" excuse annoys me. Arabic calligraphy ----compared to other examples of calligraphy in the middle and far east is-------not an example----
it is a pale copy. An interesting factoid of Arabic calligraphy is that it is used
as a kind of decoration in place of figurative art. ----------like-----Christians were
already doing decorative calligraphy before the rapist was born. In fact----so were
Persians and Jews. ----------I have no idea if the writers of Sanskrit texts did it-----
but I would guess they did. Chinese and Japanise artists -----so stuff too------and started LONG LONG AGO ----------Egyptians----cannot be outdone

In World Geography they should learn the basics of all major religions as part of understanding the culture and practices of people around the world.

We get that you hate Arabs and want hatred of Arabs and Islam to be taught in the schools.

There is absolutely no reason to teach the five pillars of Islam in public schools, none. It's religion. As for your "I hate Arabs"? Sit down with that hyperbole

 

[Tilly]

one need not write out ALLAH IS THE GREATEST and THE ONE AND ONLY GOD in Arabic to be acquainted with CALLIGRAPHY-------In fact Arabic calligraphy is a NEW COMER to the world of Calligraphy and, THEREFORE, such a lesson is misleading. I would not be keen on HAIL MARY as a fifth grade
lesson either. OR the Nicene creed. ----as in "write it out three times"

The Lord's Prayer has been banned already. As a kid I said it every morning----but it is now gone. -----a story-----in the first grade the kid who sat next to me----
to my unending exasperation------used to say "HOLLOWED BE THY NAME"
instead of "HALLOWED......" 'that's how meaningless the prayer was to
lots of kids. The prayer itself is kinda non-sectarian in a land of Christians and
jews-------but it is unfair to hindus------and to Sioux indians

Learning the content of the Lord's Prayer in an educational context has nor been banned. Reciting it has, because that has no secular, educational purpose but is religious praying.

This was not a calligraphy lesson, it was a World Geography lesson in the Middle Eastern section. They were learning about Arab culture, which includes "gasp" Islamic calligraphy!

They should have used calligraphy that said "see Spot run". They wouldn't have a mess on their hands if they had of

What does "See spot run" have to do with Arab culture?

You rubes have been throwing a lot of hypothetical at me to test me. Let's see how you do ...

Do you have a problem with kids learning the 5 pillars of Islam in World Geography?

yes------unless they are also learning the basics of other religions------the real
basics which is not going to happen. In all cases when it comes to religion---
things are a bit slanted to the contemporaneous sweet talk . Another problem is
that the kids themselves get involved in their own (read that ---stuff they learned at
home and in their "places of worship") -----REPARTEE with their classmates. We
do not know much about the actual lesson. Just the "example of middle east
calligraphy" excuse annoys me. Arabic calligraphy ----compared to other examples of calligraphy in the middle and far east is-------not an example----
it is a pale copy. An interesting factoid of Arabic calligraphy is that it is used
as a kind of decoration in place of figurative art. ----------like-----Christians were
already doing decorative calligraphy before the rapist was born. In fact----so were
Persians and Jews. ----------I have no idea if the writers of Sanskrit texts did it-----
but I would guess they did. Chinese and Japanise artists -----so stuff too------and started LONG LONG AGO ----------Egyptians----cannot be outdone

In World Geography they should learn the basics of all major religions as part of understanding the culture and practices of people around the world.

We get that you hate Arabs and want hatred of Arabs and Islam to be taught in the schools.

Geography isn't what it used to be, literally.

 

[Davros]

What would be the educational purpose of writing "Jesus is the true savior"? The educational purpose of this exercise was to appreciate the artistry of the calligraphy.

I would have no problem with kids learning the content of the Hail Mary, the Lord's Prayer, or the Nicene Creed in order to learn about Christianity, but I see no educational purpose to writing down "Jesus is the true savior".

one need not write out ALLAH IS THE GREATEST and THE ONE AND ONLY GOD in Arabic to be acquainted with CALLIGRAPHY-------In fact Arabic calligraphy is a NEW COMER to the world of Calligraphy and, THEREFORE, such a lesson is misleading. I would not be keen on HAIL MARY as a fifth grade
lesson either. OR the Nicene creed. ----as in "write it out three times"

The Lord's Prayer has been banned already. As a kid I said it every morning----but it is now gone. -----a story-----in the first grade the kid who sat next to me----
to my unending exasperation------used to say "HOLLOWED BE THY NAME"
instead of "HALLOWED......" 'that's how meaningless the prayer was to
lots of kids. The prayer itself is kinda non-sectarian in a land of Christians and
jews-------but it is unfair to hindus------and to Sioux indians

Learning the content of the Lord's Prayer in an educational context has nor been banned. Reciting it has, because that has no secular, educational purpose but is religious praying.

This was not a calligraphy lesson, it was a World Geography lesson in the Middle Eastern section. They were learning about Arab culture, which includes "gasp" Islamic calligraphy!

They should have used calligraphy that said "see Spot run". They wouldn't have a mess on their hands if they had of

What does "See spot run" have to do with Arab culture?

You rubes have been throwing a lot of hypothetical at me to test me. Let's see how you do ...

Do you have a problem with kids learning the 5 pillars of Islam in World Geography?

Yeah I'd have a problem if a teacher tried to teach the five pillars of Islam, it has zero to do with geography and everything to do with religion

There we go then. Of course it has to do with geography. Geography is about places and the people therein. It is an opportunity to learn a little about the beliefs and practices of people around the world. Why do you want kids to remain ignorant? And yet I'm sure you want "optional participation" teacher lead Christian prayers in the school, which serve no educational purpose.

 

[Davros]

Learning the content of the Lord's Prayer in an educational context has nor been banned. Reciting it has, because that has no secular, educational purpose but is religious praying.

This was not a calligraphy lesson, it was a World Geography lesson in the Middle Eastern section. They were learning about Arab culture, which includes "gasp" Islamic calligraphy!

They should have used calligraphy that said "see Spot run". They wouldn't have a mess on their hands if they had of

What does "See spot run" have to do with Arab culture?

You rubes have been throwing a lot of hypothetical at me to test me. Let's see how you do ...

Do you have a problem with kids learning the 5 pillars of Islam in World Geography?

yes------unless they are also learning the basics of other religions------the real
basics which is not going to happen. In all cases when it comes to religion---
things are a bit slanted to the contemporaneous sweet talk . Another problem is
that the kids themselves get involved in their own (read that ---stuff they learned at
home and in their "places of worship") -----REPARTEE with their classmates. We
do not know much about the actual lesson. Just the "example of middle east
calligraphy" excuse annoys me. Arabic calligraphy ----compared to other examples of calligraphy in the middle and far east is-------not an example----
it is a pale copy. An interesting factoid of Arabic calligraphy is that it is used
as a kind of decoration in place of figurative art. ----------like-----Christians were
already doing decorative calligraphy before the rapist was born. In fact----so were
Persians and Jews. ----------I have no idea if the writers of Sanskrit texts did it-----
but I would guess they did. Chinese and Japanise artists -----so stuff too------and started LONG LONG AGO ----------Egyptians----cannot be outdone

In World Geography they should learn the basics of all major religions as part of understanding the culture and practices of people around the world.

We get that you hate Arabs and want hatred of Arabs and Islam to be taught in the schools.

There is absolutely no reason to teach the five pillars of Islam in public schools, none. It's religion. As for your "I hate Arabs"? Sit down with that hyperbole

No one in public schools should learn anything about religion? Better ban most literature and history from schools, then. Rube.

 

[Tilly]

It is inconceivable that those who planned the assignment didn't check what the freaking words meant. The unwitting children have been reverted it's a disgrace, like feeding children halal without them knowing.

For this poster or that teacher or that school to call it an honest mistake is virtually indefensible. Nor is this anywhere near the first time American public schools have tried subtly or nefariously to send out messages about how "peaceful or wonderful" Islam is. All the while they have radar scanning the airwaves if they hear a teacher or coach or public official mention God or Jesus or Bible in any connotation.

I read a report that a US school had kids designing and making Isis flags as posters. It seems to me none of this is accidental, unless there are some mind bogglingly stupid teachers out there.

 

[irosie91]

You're three days late and two dollars short.

The teachers were not trying to convert students to Islam. Do you think someone can be converted to a religion by copying a piece of calligraphy?

Next year the assignment will be changed to use a different piece of calligraphy. Probably smart, but the original was not the conspiracy you rubes believe it to be.

The libbies would have seizures if teachers had kids write the 10 commandments for a penmanship lesson

Why are they not upset about this then???

Because this was part of a lesson about Arabic culture, not a writing lesson. I don't like the assignment particularly, but I am not having conniptions about it like you rubes are either because I recognize the FACT that it was truly a harmless assignment.

I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the left I am not upset about it per say I am just wondering why if studying christian cultures if forcing students to write bible verses would be allowed

Surely one can teach arabic culture without forcing student to copy religious declarations

you have touched on a very interesting point. -------I used to read lots------anything around and therefore NOTICED that ENGLISH LITERATURE includes lots and lots and lots of ALLUSIONS to biblical literature. One can barely read the stuff
without KNOWING -------lots of details in the bible-----mostly OT --------but there is an antipathy to simply READING the bible or ---KNOWING its contents. ----now a catty family story>>> One of my sisters in law was an ENGLISH LIT major-----
a real anglophile she even spent a year abroad as an exchange STUDENT in
England to be IMMERSED in English "culture" (<<< notice my generosity)
She once commented on something in English lit that was an allusion to some
stuff in the bible------and was very OFF. So I, evil ***** that I am -----corrected
the mistake. SHE EXPLODED BITTERLY with---------"YOU READ THE BIBLE"???????? I was forced to admit my guilt........... there were witnesses ------I WAS MARKED FOREVER........

 

[Davros]

Bottom line: The left sees no problem with this but the moment students were instructed to write Jesus is the true savior watch them go rabid. They can deny it all day long but I know better. Liberals are hypocrites

What would be the educational purpose of writing "Jesus is the true savior"? The educational purpose of this exercise was to appreciate the artistry of the calligraphy.

I would have no problem with kids learning the content of the Hail Mary, the Lord's Prayer, or the Nicene Creed in order to learn about Christianity, but I see no educational purpose to writing down "Jesus is the true savior".

As opposed to students writing ...“There is no god but Allah, and Mohammed is the messenger of Allah.”?

If there were a piece of Arabic calligraphy that said "Jesus is the true savior" I would not have a problem with that, but there is no such piece is there?

Anything would be better than the shahada that is plastered all over Isis and other islamic terrorist organisations battle flags.

You are letting ISIS and other terrorists define Islam.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

one need not write out ALLAH IS THE GREATEST and THE ONE AND ONLY GOD in Arabic to be acquainted with CALLIGRAPHY-------In fact Arabic calligraphy is a NEW COMER to the world of Calligraphy and, THEREFORE, such a lesson is misleading. I would not be keen on HAIL MARY as a fifth grade
lesson either. OR the Nicene creed. ----as in "write it out three times"

The Lord's Prayer has been banned already. As a kid I said it every morning----but it is now gone. -----a story-----in the first grade the kid who sat next to me----
to my unending exasperation------used to say "HOLLOWED BE THY NAME"
instead of "HALLOWED......" 'that's how meaningless the prayer was to
lots of kids. The prayer itself is kinda non-sectarian in a land of Christians and
jews-------but it is unfair to hindus------and to Sioux indians

Learning the content of the Lord's Prayer in an educational context has nor been banned. Reciting it has, because that has no secular, educational purpose but is religious praying.

This was not a calligraphy lesson, it was a World Geography lesson in the Middle Eastern section. They were learning about Arab culture, which includes "gasp" Islamic calligraphy!

They should have used calligraphy that said "see Spot run". They wouldn't have a mess on their hands if they had of

What does "See spot run" have to do with Arab culture?

You rubes have been throwing a lot of hypothetical at me to test me. Let's see how you do ...

Do you have a problem with kids learning the 5 pillars of Islam in World Geography?

Yeah I'd have a problem if a teacher tried to teach the five pillars of Islam, it has zero to do with geography and everything to do with religion

There we go then. Of course it has to do with geography. Geography is about places and the people therein. It is an opportunity to learn a little about the beliefs and practices of people around the world. Why do you want kids to remain ignorant? And yet I'm sure you want "optional participation" teacher lead Christian prayers in the school, which serve no educational purpose.

I suggest you research what the five pillars of Islam is, it's religious, not geographical and our children do not need to be taught it, they are not Muslims, they are Catholics. Shall we start teaching prayers to mother of mercy? The left's heads would explode

 

[turzovka]

And there it is ... you want hatred of Islam to be taught. Plain and simple. You don't want American youths to understand the truth about Islam, you want them to only know your "truth" which is that Islam is evil and Muslims are terrorists.

Don't try to cover your false statements by putting words in my mouth. Straw men at that.

Face it. The liberal media, the liberal professors, the liberal govt and the liberal followers are all doing this nation a disservice by pretending the conservatives alarm over Islamic terrorism and our being on guard is a more grave error or threat than Islamic terrorism itself. Wake up!