Zone1 American Airlines All Black Female Crew Honors Bessie Coleman, The First African American Woman to Earn a Pilot's License

[BothWings]

How do you know that the black woman piloting your plane will not suddenly go berserk. So many have, it isn't even unusual.

This isn't cherry picking. This is a real senatorial candidate. A moment before the driver of that car climbed on the roof to twerk she was driving down the freeway like any other driver. What happens in someone's brain that compels them to leave the driver's seat and twerk on the roof of the car? This is a malady peculiar to black women with no guarantee that a black woman pilot won't do the same.

Of course it's cherry picking. You looked up black people f****** up not white people f****** up or anybody else f****** up for that matter...just black people. You know you did. IM2 does the same s*** with white people. You're a racist and you look for any kind of rotten food that you can to feed your rotten narrative.

All you have to do is look on the internet for your race specific data and you will find it. Doesn't matter so much the race. I too believe that black people are the real aggressive racist these days. White people had their day. Now black people are sinking to the same level... With the help of some white people... Who are just using them for a completely different agenda because they systematically understand the black people's grievances. Such white people are nothing more than a sweetheart Union that pretends to support you and help you get ahead while stabbing you in the back. These are suit and tie people in offices not rednecks and pickup trucks that are doing this s***. But when the blacks finally realized that they've been used those whites and suits and ties and government offices will be pointing their fingers at the rednecks and pickup trucks and trying to start a race war. The savior is the instigator and the instigator is the savior. It's a vicious cycle that few people understand these days. Or at least those who do are silenced or attacked by racists on both sides.

 

[katsteve2012]

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[katsteve2012]

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[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Yep. And the government's "affirmative action" scheme is truly systemic racism.

Can you show me where, in the EO that created affirmative action, the "systemic racism" exists?

The contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or national origin. Such action shall include, but not be limited to the following: employment, upgrading, demotion, or transfer; recruitment or recruitment advertising; layoff or termination; rates of pay or other forms of compensation; and selection for training, including apprenticeship​

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

After knowing what you do, seeing what you have seen of black behavior, could you trust a black woman to competently fly a plane?

The first black female hired by the airlines will celebrate her 30th year anniversary this October, God willing. So what's the foundation for your nasty and bitter remarks other than you just being the racist that you are?

1st Black female airline captain breaks barriers and inspires others​

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M’Lis Ward is the first Black female captain in the commercial airlines industry. She's based in Denver and is making history.​

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Author: Darius Johnson​

Published: 6:45 AM MST March 10, 2022

Updated: 2:24 PM MST March 10, 2022

DENVER — During the month of March, women are being celebrated for being trailblazers. Every day there’s someone new breaking barriers.​

At Denver International Airport (DIA), it’s M’Lis Ward, the first African American female captain in the commercial airline industry.​

November will mark 30 years for Ward at United Airlines.​

“First of all, it does not feel like I’ve been at United 30 years, this is the best job you can ever imagine," said Ward. "Going to work every day is like going to play and so, no, it doesn’t feel like it’s been 30 years. I also don’t feel like I’m 30 years older than when I got hired."​

Ward calls her job an honor considering only 7% of the 14,000 pilots at United Airlines are women. For that reason, she holds herself to a higher standard.​

“But it’s not because of what you typically hear, 'women have to work twice as hard and be twice as good, to get half the opportunities.' I hold myself to a higher standard because I want to be the best,” she said.​

Credit: 9NEWS​

Captain M’Lis Ward, United Airlines​

That’s always been her goal whether it was in the air, the military, National Guard, or on the basketball court at the University of Southern California.​

"For me every single day I play to win the game. I come to be the absolute best pilot, evaluator, instructor that I can be,” Ward said.​

She makes the job look easy, with decades of expertise in a cockpit with nearly a thousand switches. She often helps teach and train others in the simulator at the training center. But she finds her excitement with the passengers.​

RELATED: Woman, POC owned coffee shop, Kabod opens second location in DIA​

"The best thing about flying, absolutely takeoff and landing. There's nothing better than those two things,” Ward said.​

While safety and her passengers remain at the forefront, being a role model for other women is something she doesn’t take lightly.​

Credit: 9News​

Captain M’Lis Ward, United Airlines​

"I'm here to just have a great time and be as best a role model I can be," she said. "And encourage any other women to try what I've had the opportunity to do."​

Her biggest inspiration is also a woman, her mother, who was the first Black woman to graduate from The University of Chicago Medical School. A woman who always told her quitting is the worst thing you can do.​

“Women are so strong you can do anything you put your mind to so we would just encourage you to reach for the stars," Ward said.​

United Airlines is working to increase the number of pilots of color and women by more than 2,000 by 2030 through its Aviate Academy.​

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[Lisa558]

Can you show me where, in the EO that created affirmative action, the "systemic racism" exists?

You’ve been shown before. The EO doesn’t create system racism. It’s the way the leftists have PERVERTED the EO that is in violation of the Constitution. The SCOTUS will be fixing that this coming term.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

You’ve been shown before. The EO doesn’t create system racism. It’s the way the leftists have PERVERTED the EO that is in violation of the Constitution. The SCOTUS will be fixing that this coming term.

My question wasn't addressed to you Lisa but since you brought it up, if there is no racial preference in the EO how is the Supreme Court going to "fix" it?

And if it doesn't exist how have I been "shown" anything? I certainly have not been shown anything by you.

 

[Lisa558]

My question wasn't addressed to you Lisa but since you brought it up, if there is no racial preference in the EO how is the Supreme Court going to "fix" it?

Of course not! Making adjustments to the admissions requirements in order to achieve pre-determined racial outcome will no longer be allowed. It doesn’t matter if it’s done to get more blacks in, or keep more Asians out. Considering race at all is against the law.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Of course not! Making adjustments to the admissions requirements in order to achieve pre-determined racial outcome. It doesn’t matter if it’s done to get more blacks in, or keep more Asians out. Considering race at all is against the law.

Are you familiar with the term "restitution"? It's a legal concept

1 : an act of restoring or a condition of being restored: such as.
a : a restoration of something to its rightful owner.
b : a making good of or giving an equivalent for some injury.​

IM2 posting, in passing, this link which I stopped to read. Were you aware of ANY of this?

Anti-literacy Laws -There Were Laws Against Teaching Blacks to Read?​

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February 6, 2020 jbkatz African American History, Black Events, Black History, John C Abercrombie, Negro History​

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(Last Updated On: March 9, 2021)
Anti-literacy laws
By John C Abercrombie

One of the factors affecting the appearance of inferiority of Blacks has been the action of Anti Literacy Laws. Not knowing the history of education in America, most of us are not familiar with laws that prevented anyone from teaching a Black person, either slave or free, from being taught to read and write.

These laws would not have had to be put on the books if Blacks could not learn, but that was not the case. The fear was that by learning, Blacks could share ideas. That they would learn of their impressive history. That they would understand the value of their work and innovative minds. A major concern is if they were literate, they could forge documents of freedom. Most of all, they would seek freedom and eliminate the vast source of free labor!

Even after slavery, share cropping would not yield the enormous profits to the White land owner. Share cropping involved the people, mostly Black, providing the labor for farming would receive a share of the crop. During this system, they would be forced to do business with the land owner for supplies, food and equipment, which was marked up quite highly. Since the share cropper had been denied the opportunity at an education, no matter how much money was made, the sharecropper could be told that there was no profit or that it was minimal. Perpetuating the system of dominance over the producer.

This yielded a generation of largely illiterate people. In later years, there were schools, but due to the interpretation of the Plessy v Ferguson decision, they were separate and definitely not equal.

The system was perpetuated with substandard schools. Books were frequently outdated books handed down from the White schools. Black teachers had larger class sizes, less equipment and were paid significantly less than White teachers.

Those Blacks who completed school did not receive full benefit from their labors, as they were not hired in jobs for which they were qualified. Instead, they were put in jobs designated as less desirable, lower paying, more dangerous etc. This generated a “Why put forth the effort if it is not going to pay off?” attitude among many Blacks.

While there has been progress in this area, many vestiges of it remain. Parents who earn less are able to provide less and this reinforces the earlier loss of faith in the benefits of education.

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The subject of literacy is seldom spoken about. Most people are unaware of the continuing struggle for literacy that has imprinted itself so deeply in our society. Anti-literacy has been a problem in my lifetime. One of the saddest is that I have seen brilliant students forced to drop out of school, not because of their ability, but the need to work because their parents were forced into the least desirable and financially rewarding jobs. Denied jobs for which they were qualified. So, we see that it is a multi-generational problem that desperately needs to be addressed. ​

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[Lisa558]

Are you familiar with the term "restitution"? It's a legal concept

1 : an act of restoring or a condition of being restored: such as.​

a : a restoration of something to its rightful owner.​

b : a making good of or giving an equivalent for some injury.​

IM2 posting, in passing, this link which I stopped to read. Were you aware of ANY of this?

Restitution? Is that the new word for reparations?

a. What do whites have that blacks rightfully own? I paid for my car, my townhouse, all my clothes, and my pretty jewelry.
b. What injury have whites done to blacks TODAY, or in the past few decades?

One could argue that two generations of favoritism at the admissions office is a form of restitution. But that’s time enough. The SCOTUS said, in reaching a compromise in the Grutter decision, that the favoritism could continue another 20 years or so, and then racial discrimination would stop. We are now there.

 

[PeanutGallery]

If you think, you don't know. Because we still see the same acts of white racial terrorism and systemic racism that has existed in various forms in this country from the start. So if you are silly enough to think that racism is over because you don't see any "no blacks allowed" signs, you're a person with their head stuck in the sand.

Did I say racism was over? Nice (and VERY STUPID) strawman you just built and knocked over. So then tell me, what forms of systemic racism do YOU live and deal with in 2022? I don't want to be told generalities and such, be SPECIFIC. Since I'm a black man, you're not going to be able to tap dance your way with the excuse of not knowing what it's like to be black. So, how is this mean country oppressing you?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Are you familiar with the term "restitution"? It's a legal concept

1 : an act of restoring or a condition of being restored: such as.
a : a restoration of something to its rightful owner.
b : a making good of or giving an equivalent for some injury.​

IM2 posting, in passing, this link which I stopped to read. Were you aware of ANY of this?

I’d be all for restitution to any surviving slaves from the estates of the slave owners. However they are no surviving members of either group.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Restitution? Is that the new word for reparations?

a. What do whites have that blacks rightfully own? I paid for my car, my townhouse, all my clothes, and my pretty jewelry.
b. What injury have whites done to blacks TODAY, or in the past few decades?

One could argue that two generations of favoritism at the admissions office is a form of restitution. But that’s time enough. The SCOTUS said, in reaching a compromise in the Grutter decision, that the favoritism could continue another 20 years or so, and then racial discrimination would stop. We are now there.

No, restitution is not the new word for reparations, they mean two different things. I used this word to see if you can understand that what is happening is a "correction", it's not anti-White discrimination. I understand that you're speaking strictly of admissions but if you were to spend some time reading EEOC cases involving race, you would discover that when a company has a history of having violated the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (and maybe even further back, I haven't researched this), this history can be the grounds for them being lawfully ordered to "correct" the discrepancy and increase the number of non-White workers until their workforce aligns more closely with their (non-Whites) representation in the population.

For example if the area where the workplace operates is 75% White & 25% Black for the workforce is almost 100% White, then can have the courts issue a directive to correct this discrepancy WITHOUT it being a violation of the 14th Amendment or any of the other anti-discrimination laws.

a. What do whites have that blacks rightfully own? I paid for my car, my townhouse, all my clothes, and my pretty jewelry.

Why do you keep making up these false equivalencies? Nobody is talking about taking your assets or the assets of any other White person. I was talking about "opportunities" both educational and employment.

But we could also look at this from the perspective that Whites were never entitled to everything, so of course any action taken to correct this situation and remediate them monopolizing all of the opportunities by giving more of them to to Black admission or employment candidates is naturally going to be seen as something being taken from them.

b. What injury have whites done to blacks TODAY, or in the past few decades?

Read some of the EEOC race based cases that have been settled favorably on behalf of the complainant. There are still people who are violating the rights of Black people to work in certain areas or careers and to be treated fairly without regard to their race in all aspects of employment, including promotions, compensation, etc.
Significant EEOC Race/Color Cases(Covering Private and Federal Sectors)

One could argue that two generations of favoritism at the admissions office is a form of restitution. But that’s time enough. The SCOTUS said, in reaching a compromise in the Grutter decision, that the favoritism could continue another 20 years or so, and then racial discrimination would stop. We are now there.

Oh, so this is the case that you're relying on to cut off access to a higher education for Black people. Except the case doesn't say what you claim it does. Race is only one factor they're allowed to consider for the purpose of creating a more diverse student body. Nothing in it says that they're letting students who are completely not "college" material in at the expense of White students:

Justia Opinion Summary and Annotations ​

Annotation

Primary Holding
The use of an applicant's race as one factor in an admissions policy of a public educational institution does not violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment if the policy is narrowly tailored to the compelling interest of promoting a diverse student body, and if it uses a holistic process to evaluate each applicant, as opposed to a quota system.​

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I’d be all for restitution to any surviving slaves from the estates of the slave owners. However they are no surviving members of either group.

That's why you're all for it.

The horrors done to Black people in this country, SOLELY BECAUSE THEY WERE BLACK, did not end when the 13th Amendment was ratified.

 

[Lisa558]

No, restitution is not the new word for reparations, they mean two different things. I used this word to see if you can understand that what is happening is a "correction", it's not anti-White discrimination. I understand that you're speaking strictly of admissions but if you were to spend some time reading EEOC cases involving race, you would discover that when a company has a history of having violated the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (and maybe even further back, I haven't researched this), this history can be the grounds for them being lawfully ordered to "correct" the discrepancy and increase the number of non-White workers until their workforce aligns more closely with their (non-Whites) representation in the population.

For example if the area where the workplace operates is 75% White & 25% Black for the workforce is almost 100% White, then can have the courts issue a directive to correct this discrepancy WITHOUT it being a violation of the 14th Amendment or any of the other anti-discrimination laws.

That would work IF the blacks in that area were equivalent to whites in terms of education, experience, ability - whatever. That is not always the case. There are sections of DC that almost exclusively black, with the vast majority having high school educations at best, and most on welfare.

Why do you keep making up these false equivalencies? Nobody is talking about taking your assets or the assets of any other White person. I was talking about "opportunities" both educational and employment.

No, you weren’t talking about opportunities. You gave the first definition of restitution as restoring something to its rightful OWNER. I asked what is it that whites currently own that belong to blacks?

But we could also look at this from the perspective that Whites were never entitled to everything, so of course any action taken to correct this situation and remediate them monopolizing all of the opportunities by giving more of them to to Black admission or employment candidates is naturally going to be seen as something being taken from them.

No, they were never entitled to everything, and the whites who are doing well EARNED it. Same with blacks. The affluent blacks who own homes in my area went to college, got demanding jobs, and earned they money.

Read some of the EEOC race based cases that have been settled favorably on behalf of the complainant. There are still people who are violating the rights of Black people to work in certain areas or careers and to be treated fairly without regard to their race in all aspects of employment, including promotions, compensation, etc.
Significant EEOC Race/Color Cases(Covering Private and Federal Sectors)

And the converse: there are Whites who win cases when less qualified blacks were promoted. I personally know two people, and both won their cases. When it happened to me and I consulted a lawyer, he said I had a definite claim, but I decided to just move on to a company that didn’t discriminate against white people.

Oh, so this is the case that you're relying on to cut off access to a higher education for Black people. Except the case doesn't say what you claim it does. Race is only one factor they're allowed to consider for the purpose of creating a more diverse student body. Nothing in it says that they're letting students who are completely not "college" material in at the expense of White students:

How am I “cutting off access to a higher education for black people?” All I’m saying is that black people should go to colleges where their GPAs and SATs would qualify them, if they were white. That’s what every one of my white friends did - and we all went to very good schools, and went on to successful careers. What’s so horrible if black kids who didn’t have the metrics to get into a Harvard or Stanford went to BU or Rutgers instead?

Justia Opinion Summary and Annotations ​

Annotation​

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Primary Holding​

The use of an applicant's race as one factor in an admissions policy of a public educational institution does not violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment if the policy is narrowly tailored to the compelling interest of promoting a diverse student body, and if it uses a holistic process to evaluate each applicant, as opposed to a quota system.​

Yup….and that was a compromise decision, and it was stated that it was only temporary and likely could be abolished in 20 or so years. We are at that point.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Yup….and that was a compromise decision, and it was stated that it was only temporary and likely could be abolished in 20 or so years. We are at that point.

No, it wasn't a compromise, the ruling stated that using race as ONE of the criteria of admissions is not a violation of the 14th amendment IF the goal is to create a more diverse and representative student body. You can't increase the population of people of color in order to bring their representation up to what it is in terms of their percentage of the population UNLESS you are allowed to consider race.

Furthermore, this is not an affirmative action case, and this ruling addresses public universities, I think private universities have always been able to do pretty much what they want except when it comes to accepting money from the government. THEN they have to abide by all laws including the Civil Rights of 1964 Act and provide reporting to the government to show that they are in compliance and that their numbers are in line with what they should be.

And the summary of the case (I didn't read the case) stated 25 years not 20 years so it looks like you still have 5 more years to go unless this case or one based on it is currently pending with the Supreme Court. If it's a different case, please post the title and number if you have it.

No, restitution is not the new word for reparations, they mean two different things. I used this word to see if you can understand that what is happening is a "correction", it's not anti-White discrimination. I understand that you're speaking strictly of admissions but if you were to spend some time reading EEOC cases involving race, you would discover that when a company has a history of having violated the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (and maybe even further back, I haven't researched this), this history can be the grounds for them being lawfully ordered to "correct" the discrepancy and increase the number of non-White workers until their workforce aligns more closely with their (non-Whites) representation in the population.

For example if the area where the workplace operates is 75% White & 25% Black for the workforce is almost 100% White, then can have the courts issue a directive to correct this discrepancy WITHOUT it being a violation of the 14th Amendment or any of the other anti-discrimination laws.

That would work IF the blacks in that area were equivalent to whites in terms of education, experience, ability - whatever. That is not always the case. There are sections of DC that almost exclusively black, with the vast majority having high school educations at best, and most on welfare.

IF the Blacks in the area are equivalent to Whites in terms of education, experience, ability? The fact that you're automatically claiming that they're not equivalent (because they're Black) is the kind of statement that you frequently make that gets you tagged as a racist. You haven't posted any stats that show that the majority of Black people living in Washington DC at best have a high school education and are on welfare but the more pertinent question is why are you concerned with them as candidates that Whites will have to compete against for jobs or college admissions unless those Whites themselves are similarly situated (meaning have a high school education at best and are on welfare).

No, you weren’t talking about opportunities. You gave the first definition of restitution as restoring something to its rightful OWNER. I asked what is it that whites currently own that belong to blacks?

Lisa, the word "opportunities" is what the 'O" represents in EEOC (equal employment opportunity commission), and inspite of your beliefs, I was indeed talking about opportunities even though I used the term restitution referring to how it corrects something by returning things not lawfully taken to the rightful owner. This was an analogy, apparently a poor one, to explain why the courts are allowed to make companies (and apparently schools) hire or admit more people of color in order to rectify the positions/slots taken from or denied to Black students in order to give them to Whites. That is why I asked you if you thought that Whites were entitled to EVERYTHING (all the jobs, all the student slots, all the pilot slots, etc.) but it was a rhetorical questions. Many of the actions that you and others see as "anti-white" is not actually against White people, it's just that you all are no longer automatically favored. And no longer being favored can feel like you're being targeted but that is not what's happening in actuality. The playing field is just being balanced.

There were many cases where people activity engaged in behaviors for the explicit purpose of denying Black people opportunities to work and has a result to have a stable financial life which is the ultimate goal of White racists - the destabilization of Black lives

No, they were never entitled to everything, and the whites who are doing well EARNED it. Same with blacks. The affluent blacks who own homes in my area went to college, got demanding jobs, and earned they money.

Can you explain what Whites did to earn everything that they have? And how what they did is different than the way Black people earned what they have? Because for the longest, they didn't have to do anything other than not be Black because Black people certainly weren't allowed to work in certain professions other than the service industry - as maids in private homes or hotels, as secretaries in some places, as bellhops, skycaps, doing manual labor, etc. As a matter of fact, when social security was first created, it specifically excluded the domestic industry in which roughly 86% of Black people worked, effectively excluding Black people from that financial safety net and the ability to acquire more wealth.

What’s so horrible if black kids who didn’t have the metrics to get into a Harvard or Stanford went to BU or Rutgers instead?

But there was a young Black girl who was accepted into every Ivy league school recently and you disparaged her and her qualifications. Even when Black people do all of the things YOU personally as a White person thinks we should do, you still managed to find fault with her. And not just you, a bunch of people here on this message board, claiming that by admitting her, they denied a position to some genius White male student.

This is another thing that casts doubt when you claim that your issue isn't with Black people, that they just should not be allowed the ability to deny White people opportunities, which is one of the cornerstones of the racist propaganda that we hear.

And didn't this particular offshoot of my thread began by discussing the anti-literacy laws? Do you not see how this so clearly demonstrates another one of the major ways that White people DID NOT want to see Black people advance and were worried about them acquiring too much knowledge and taking active LEGISLATIVE action to prevent it.

This is just another example of how the way Black people have been treated in our country has been an ongoing, blatantly racially discriminatory process committed for the purpose of keeping Black people disadvantaged in many of the ways that allow people to rise from the circumstances into which they were born.

In my opinion, money is a by-product of success, but money is hardly the only indicator of living a good life and having been successful in it.

 

[Lisa558]

No, it wasn't a compromise, the ruling stated that using race as ONE of the criteria of admissions is not a violation of the 14th amendment IF the goal is to create a more diverse and representative student body. You can't increase the population of people of color in order to bring their representation up to what it is in terms of their percentage of the population UNLESS you are allowed to consider race.

Furthermore, this is not an affirmative action case, and this ruling addresses public universities, I think private universities have always been able to do pretty much what they want except when it comes to accepting money from the government. THEN they have to abide by all laws including the Civil Rights of 1964 Act and provide reporting to the government to show that they are in compliance and that their numbers are in line with what they should be.

And the summary of the case (I didn't read the case) stated 25 years not 20 years so it looks like you still have 5 more years to go unless this case or one based on it is currently pending with the Supreme Court. If it's a different case, please post the title and number if you have it.


IF the Blacks in the area are equivalent to Whites in terms of education, experience, ability? The fact that you're automatically claiming that they're not equivalent (because they're Black) is the kind of statement that you frequently make that gets you tagged as a racist. You haven't posted any stats that show that the majority of Black people living in Washington DC at best have a high school education and are on welfare but the more pertinent question is why are you concerned with them as candidates that Whites will have to compete against for jobs or college admissions unless those Whites themselves are similarly situated (meaning have a high school education at best and are on welfare).


Lisa, the word "opportunities" is what the 'O" represents in EEOC (equal employment opportunity commission), and inspite of your beliefs, I was indeed talking about opportunities even though I used the term restitution referring to how it corrects something by returning things not lawfully taken to the rightful owner. This was an analogy, apparently a poor one, to explain why the courts are allowed to make companies (and apparently schools) hire or admit more people of color in order to rectify the positions/slots taken from or denied to Black students in order to give them to Whites. That is why I asked you if you thought that Whites were entitled to EVERYTHING (all the jobs, all the student slots, all the pilot slots, etc.) but it was a rhetorical questions. Many of the actions that you and others see as "anti-white" is not actually against White people, it's just that you all are no longer automatically favored. And no longer being favored can feel like you're being targeted but that is not what's happening in actuality. The playing field is just being balanced.

There were many cases where people activity engaged in behaviors for the explicit purpose of denying Black people opportunities to work and has a result to have a stable financial life which is the ultimate goal of White racists - the destabilization of Black lives


Can you explain what Whites did to earn everything that they have? And how what they did is different than the way Black people earned what they have? Because for the longest, they didn't have to do anything other than not be Black because Black people certainly weren't allowed to work in certain professions other than the service industry - as maids in private homes or hotels, as secretaries in some places, as bellhops, skycaps, doing manual labor, etc. As a matter of fact, when social security was first created, it specifically excluded the domestic industry in which roughly 86% of Black people worked, effectively excluding Black people from that financial safety net and the ability to acquire more wealth.


But there was a young Black girl who was accepted into every Ivy league school recently and you disparaged her and her qualifications. Even when Black people do all of the things YOU personally as a White person thinks we should do, you still managed to find fault with her. And not just you, a bunch of people here on this message board, claiming that by admitting her, they denied a position to some genius White male student.

This is another thing that casts doubt when you claim that your issue isn't with Black people, that they just should not be allowed the ability to deny White people opportunities, which is one of the cornerstones of the racist propaganda that we hear.

And didn't this particular offshoot of my thread began by discussing the anti-literacy laws? Do you not see how this so clearly demonstrates another one of the major ways that White people DID NOT want to see Black people advance and were worried about them acquiring too much knowledge and taking active LEGISLATIVE action to prevent it.

This is just another example of how the way Black people have been treated in our country has been an ongoing, blatantly racially discriminatory process committed for the purpose of keeping Black people disadvantaged in many of the ways that allow people to rise from the circumstances into which they were born.

In my opinion, money is a by-product of success, but money is hardly the only indicator of living a good life and having been successful in it.

Waaaay too much to wade through, but I will point out how you ascribe racist attitudes when they don’t exist:

I said “IF blacks in the area are equal in terms of education and ability” and pointed out there is an area of DC where most are on welfare with little schooling. You automatically went into attack mode, asking with an accusatory tone, why I automatically think blacks are less educated or able.

Again, you will note that I said “IF.” Other than that, as I said, you write way too much in one post. Divide up the content if you really want a debate. Please.

Now I don’t have time right to defend myself against any other of your unfair attacks right now, or explain to you that you are going back to a previous SCOTUS RULING from decades ago. What is now before the court may finally overturn the decision that allowed racist decisions, even in part, and rule that all applicants must be considered regardless of race. It will be the constitutionally correct decision.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Waaaay too much to wade through, but I will point out how you ascribe racist attitudes when they don’t exist:

I said “IF blacks in the area are equal in terms of education and ability” and pointed out there is an area of DC where most are on welfare with little schooling. You automatically went into attack mode, asking with an accusatory tone, why I automatically think blacks are less educated or able.

Again, you will note that I said “IF.” Other than that, as I said, you write way too much in one post. Divide up the content if you really want a debate. Please.

Now I don’t have time right to defend myself against any other of your unfair attacks right now, or explain to you that you are going back to a previous SCOTUS RULING from decades ago. What is now before the court may finally overturn the decision that allowed racist decisions, even in part, and rule that all applicants must be considered regardless of race. It will be the constitutionally correct decision.

I understand that you said IF, but why was it necessary to make that distinction? Why did you feel the need to point that out? Why wasn't it just presumed?

And I'm not attacking you, in fact I'm using very specific language to try to not trigger or offend you.

So would you please post the information regarding the current Supreme Court case if I'm looking at the wrong one. This is the case however you previously mentioned though.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I understand that you said IF, but why was it necessary to make that distinction? Why did you feel the need to point that out? Why wasn't it just presumed?

And I'm not attacking you, in fact I'm using very specific language to try to not trigger or offend you.

So would you please post the information regarding the current Supreme Court case if I'm looking at the wrong one. This is the case however you previously mentioned though.

Yeah, I have studying to do as well so I may not get back to this until tonight.

 

[Lisa558]

I understand that you said IF, but why was it necessary to make that distinction? Why did you feel the need to point that out? Why wasn't it just presumed?

And I'm not attacking you, in fact I'm using very specific language to try to not trigger or offend you.

So would you please post the information regarding the current Supreme Court case if I'm looking at the wrong one. This is the case however you previously mentioned though.

I’m eating dinner now, and that’s a lot of work. I’ll do it later.