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More insane hatred from the left.
yes, a vicious pack of truths.

the founders were largely deists and they didn't want the religious zealots running things.
They were Christians and believed in the God of the Bible.
not in the least. I thought you're supposed to be a BS filter....

there is a reason the first amendment separates church and state and prohibits a religious test for office and prohibits a dominant religion.

. “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

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Where in what Washington states did he imply freedom from religion? By their actions, it is clear that they meant freedom of religion.

A huge difference.

Mark
 

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More insane hatred from the left.
yes, a vicious pack of truths.

the founders were largely deists and they didn't want the religious zealots running things.
They were Christians and believed in the God of the Bible.
not in the least. I thought you're supposed to be a BS filter....

there is a reason the first amendment separates church and state and prohibits a religious test for office and prohibits a dominant religion.

. “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

35 Founding Father Quotes Conservative Christians Will Hate
Yes, and that expression in no way disavows Washington's belief in the God of the Bible.
 

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The myth of America being “founded on the Christian religion” is one of the more pernicious lies propagated by the right.

Conservatives use this lie to justify their opposition to the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate, and to justify their hostility toward the privacy rights of women.
Then why didn't the founders live like you say they wanted the nation to be?

This is like the 2nd Amendment where the left claims it applies to a militia. If so, it should be easy to show us examples of unarmed citizens and armories full of guns after the Constitution passed.

What you are preaching is not the reality the founders lived.

Mark
This is like the 2nd Amendment where the left claims it applies to a militia. If so, it should be easy to show us examples of unarmed citizens and armories full of guns after the Constitution passed.

Where were the English headed when they were marching toward Lexington and Concord?
 

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More insane hatred from the left.
yes, a vicious pack of truths.

the founders were largely deists and they didn't want the religious zealots running things.
They were Christians and believed in the God of the Bible. Next thing you'll tell me is Jefferson had a Quran because he was fond of Islam, huh.
They may of been baptized, but were mainly Unitarian and deist. Providence, that that ring a bell. All that means is higher power (and not the God of the OT or NT)
 

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More insane hatred from the left.
yes, a vicious pack of truths.

the founders were largely deists and they didn't want the religious zealots running things.
They were Christians and believed in the God of the Bible. Next thing you'll tell me is Jefferson had a Quran because he was fond of Islam, huh.
They may of been baptized, but were mainly Unitarian and deist. Providence, that that ring a bell. All that means is higher power (and not the God of the OT or NT)
What were their wives like and did they like to play cards?
 

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More insane hatred from the left.
yes, a vicious pack of truths.

the founders were largely deists and they didn't want the religious zealots running things.
They were Christians and believed in the God of the Bible. Next thing you'll tell me is Jefferson had a Quran because he was fond of Islam, huh.
They may of been baptized, but were mainly Unitarian and deist. Providence, that that ring a bell. All that means is higher power (and not the God of the OT or NT)
BS. They believed the Bible to be the Word of God. George Washington chose to take the oath of office with his hand on the Bible. That's a significant act and speaks volumes about his beliefs.
 

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America was indeed founded on Christian principles. After the very first president was elected, he and all of Congress spent the rest of the day, on their knees, in a Christian church, asking God to bless this Nation, and guide them to do His will. And God did. In abundance.
Praying to Him was never in doubt or questioned when Congress convened. And it wasn't for show, or a lack of political correctness, or to push an agenda. It was Christian men wanting God's help in creating a nation. Not only was it NOT separated from their governance, it was an integral part of it.

Separation of church and state was to protect the church from government interference, as was the case in England. It in no way was meant to keep God out of our government. Here is the proof of that:



You seen the kneelers and I see those who are standing and bowing their heads. Its called peer pressure.
Because you were there?
 

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More insane hatred from the left.
yes, a vicious pack of truths.

the founders were largely deists and they didn't want the religious zealots running things.
They were Christians and believed in the God of the Bible.
not in the least. I thought you're supposed to be a BS filter....

there is a reason the first amendment separates church and state and prohibits a religious test for office and prohibits a dominant religion.

. “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

35 Founding Father Quotes Conservative Christians Will Hate
“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure,

Did you even read this....?
 

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More insane hatred from the left.
yes, a vicious pack of truths.

the founders were largely deists and they didn't want the religious zealots running things.
They were Christians and believed in the God of the Bible.
not in the least. I thought you're supposed to be a BS filter....

there is a reason the first amendment separates church and state and prohibits a religious test for office and prohibits a dominant religion.

. “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

35 Founding Father Quotes Conservative Christians Will Hate
Where in what Washington states did he imply freedom from religion? By their actions, it is clear that they meant freedom of religion.

A huge difference.

Mark

Also freedom OF religion would by default create freedom from any one particular Religion Imposing itself
 

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There is no "church and state" clause.
 

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More insane hatred from the left.
yes, a vicious pack of truths.

the founders were largely deists and they didn't want the religious zealots running things.
They were Christians and believed in the God of the Bible.
not in the least. I thought you're supposed to be a BS filter....

there is a reason the first amendment separates church and state and prohibits a religious test for office and prohibits a dominant religion.

. “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

35 Founding Father Quotes Conservative Christians Will Hate
Where in what Washington states did he imply freedom from religion? By their actions, it is clear that they meant freedom of religion.

A huge difference.

Mark

Also freedom OF religion would by default create freedom from any one particular Religion Imposing itself
Actually the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with the state established religions which were perfectly legal. Of which about half of the states had a state religion at the time the Constitution was ratified.
 

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So many myths dominate American discourse today and religion is one of the big sticks.

“the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

"Speaking at a rally on the steps of the U.S. Capitol on May 16, 1920, Baptist theologian George Washington Truett proudly declared that the separation of church and state was “preeminently a Baptist achievement.”

Perspective | I know Roy Moore. He’s always been a con artist.


"The Real Origins of the Religious Right - They’ll tell you it was abortion. Sorry, the historical record’s clear: It was segregation.""

The Real Origins of the Religious Right


"But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools."

"The abuse of women and girls is the most pervasive and unaddressed human rights violation on earth." Jimmy Carter

"Abolition of a woman's right to abortion, when and if she wants it, amounts to compulsory maternity: a form of rape by the State." Edward Abbey
America's Christian Heritage is indisputable. The second best-selling book in the American colonies was the New England Primer. Five million copies existed in America in 1776. At that time, there were only four million people in America. Many of its selections were drawn from the King James Bible. The New England Prime was the foundation of schooling that all children studied from at the time of our Founding.

Harvard's Rules and Precepts of 1636 tells us that all knowledge rests on the foundation of God and Jesus Christ. Harvard's original motto was Truth for Christ and the Church.

Princeton's founding statement of 1746 was Cursed is all Learning that is contrary to the Cross of Christ.

Coumbia university's seal of 1755 has the hebrew Tetragrammaton, YHVW (Jehovah) within a radiant triangle. The school's motto "In Lumine Tuo Videbimus Lumen" means "In thy light we shall see light" Psalms 36:9, arcs across the top.

In 1832 Gouverneur Morris said, “Religion is the only solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man towards God.”

In 1790 Samuel Adams said, ""Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age, by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, of inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity...in short of leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.“

In 1798 Benjamin Rush said, "In contemplating the political institutions of the United States, I lament that we waste so much time and money in punishing crimes, and take so little pains to prevent them. We profess to be republicans and yet we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of
government. That is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by the means of the Bible.”

In 1836 Noah Webster said, “In my view, the Christian Religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government, ought to be instructed...no truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian Religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.”

In 1835 Alexis de Tocqueville wrote in his book, Democracy in America, "Upon my arrival in the United States the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more I perceived the great political consequences resulting from this new state of things. In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom marching in opposite directions. But in America I found they were intimately united and that they reigned in common over the same country. Religion in America...must be regarded as the foremost of the political institutions of that country; for if it does not impart a taste for freedom, it facilitates the use of it. Indeed, it is in this same point of view that the inhabitants of the United States themselves look upon religious belief. I do not know whether all Americans have a sincere faith in their religion -- for who can search the human heart? But I am certain that they hold it to be indispensable to the maintenance of republican institutions. This opinion is not peculiar to a class of citizens or a party, but it belongs to the whole nation and to every rank of society. In the United States, the sovereign authority is religious...there is no country in the world where the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America, and there can be no greater proof of its utility and of its conformity to human nature than that its influence is powerfully felt over the most enlightened and free nation of the earth. In the United States, the influence of religion is not confined to the manners, but it extends to the intelligence of the people...

Christianity, therefore, reigns without obstacle, by universal consent...


I sought for the key to the greatness and genius of America in her harbors...; in her fertile fields and boundless forests; in her rich mines and vast world commerce; in her public school system and institutions of learning. I sought for it in her democratic Congress and in her matchless Constitution Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great. The safeguard of morality is religion, and morality is the best security of law as well as the surest pledge of freedom. The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other Christianity is the companion of liberty in all its conflicts -- the cradle of its infancy, and the divine source of its claims."

The New England primer : a reprint of the earliest known edition ; with many facsimiles and reproductions; and an historical introduction : Ford, Paul Leicester, 1865-1902 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

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Democracy in America - Wikipedia

One Nation Under God: Alexis de Tocqueville
 

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The myth of America being “founded on the Christian religion” is one of the more pernicious lies propagated by the right.

Conservatives use this lie to justify their opposition to the Framers’ mandate that church and state remain separate, and to justify their hostility toward the privacy rights of women.
Then why didn't the founders live like you say they wanted the nation to be?

This is like the 2nd Amendment where the left claims it applies to a militia. If so, it should be easy to show us examples of unarmed citizens and armories full of guns after the Constitution passed.

What you are preaching is not the reality the founders lived.

Mark
This is like the 2nd Amendment where the left claims it applies to a militia. If so, it should be easy to show us examples of unarmed citizens and armories full of guns after the Constitution passed.

Where were the English headed when they were marching toward Lexington and Concord?
Where were they headed Winston?

Mark
 

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First Amendment: An Overview

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. It prohibits any laws that establish a national religion, impede the free exercise of religion, abridge the freedom of speech, infringe upon the freedom of the press, interfere with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibit citizens from petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted into the Bill of Rights in 1791. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments.

Freedom of Religion

Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. It enforces the "separation of church and state." However, some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of "blue laws" is not prohibited. The Free Exercise Clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a person's practice of their religion.

First Amendment
 

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To the above I would add, Now that we have kicked God out, how are things?
We kicked God out? Really?
Yep. Even the Democrat party has kicked God out. That's why the left is in such a tizzy since Trump was elected. American citizens aren't going to be punished for standing up to the godless hordes any longer.
 

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