America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

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.reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

That is not in conflict with Washington’s preference for “the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age,” as opposed to Christianity’s historical record of “religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."

It’s Christianity that was historically divisive and repulsive.

it is yet another absurdity that you think the WASHINGTON quote you cited regarding national morality limits Washington to divisive Christianity as the only religious principle that existed at the time.

Washington spoke of “the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age,” which certainly could include the attractiveness of Deism and rational religion to many of our founding fathers.

It makes no sense that Washington was referring to divisive Christianity as a model for our national morality.

George Washington responds... In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens.

Good job trying to subvert religion

 

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"It is especially easy for us to observe socialism's hostility to religion, for this is inherent, with few exceptions, in all contemporary socialist states and doctrines. Only rarely is the abolition of religion legislated, as it was in Albania. But the actions of other socialist states leave no doubt that they are all governed by this very principle and that only external difficulties have prevented its complete implementation. This same principle has been repeatedly proclaimed in socialist doctrines, beginning with the end of the seventeenth century. Sixteenth- and seventeenth-century doctrines are imbued with cold skeptical and ironic attitudes toward religion. If not consciously, then "objectively," they prepared humanity for the convergence of socialist ideology and militant atheism that took place at the end of the seventeenth century and during the course of the eighteenth."

Igor Shafarevich

 

[initforme]

All this banter is for not. You see one cannot escape ones dna. My heritage I inherited from my parents is swedish. I was born here in the us. Therefore that makes me a swedish american. I have immigrant dna.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

It makes no sense that Washington was referring to divisive Christianity as a model for our national morality

It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible

It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor

 

[initforme]

So as a lifelong practicing Christian I must ask what about other religions? They should have the same freedoms as Christian's.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

So as a lifelong practicing Christian I must ask what about other religions? They should have the same freedoms as Christian's.

They dont have the same freedoms?

 

[TNHarley]

#9 reply to #3. ​

“........the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens.,,,,,”From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, 18 August 1790​

​

If that is not multi/culturalism I don’t know what is.​

​

#3​

The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

​

​

#9. I’m talking about multiculturalism on the national level. You know, the United States of America Constitution - not the individual state constitutions. The one that guarantees the right to all individuals under that Constitution the freedom of religion or no religion at all. ​

​

Here George Washington mention’s what Christian Nationalists refuse to hear.​

​

“.. ...the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present {1790s} age.​

​

"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." [George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 726]​

​

"The blessed Religion revealed in the word of will remain an eternal and awful monument to prove that the best Institutions may be abused by human depravity; and that they may even, in some instances, be made subservient to the vilest of purposes."​

[From an unused draft of Washington’s First Inaugural address]​

​

George Washington Quotes on Religion and Church/State Separation​

​

I’m saying GW was not very impressed with the behavior of the Protestant official religions of the thirteen colonies, and the Dogmatic intolerance they demanded from men and women’s consciences up to that time. That takes care of the Protestant discrimination against Catholics for sure. ​

​

Then there is this multi-cultural statement from GW to a very small minority Jewish Congregation as well:​

​

The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support. ,”From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, 18 August 1790. Founders Online: From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport …​

​

Please come back with some facts next time and let us know when you under stand the thread is about the US Godless Constitution which all the states signed into when they joined the Union. ​

​

GW had some advice for the Protestant Clergy whiners about the godless Constitution as well;​

​

In fact, I was reminded of George Washington’s response to a group of Presbyterians who were concerned about the omission of a reference to the Christian religion in the US Constitution. Washington attempted to alleviate their concern writing:​

​

“The tribute of thanksgiving, which you offer to the gracious FATHER OF LIGHTS, for his inspiration of our publick councils with wisdom and firmness to complete the National Constitution, is worthy of men, who, devoted to the pious purposes of religion, desire their accomplishment by such means as advance the temporal happiness of their fellow men. And, here, I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe, that the path of true piety is so plain, as to require but little POLITICAL direction.​

George Washington on Christianity and the U.S. Constitution​

Right. And when you point to separation of church and state as proof of multiculturalism, you are wrong. The establishment clause was written to prevent the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with state established religions.

James Madison, the person that wrote the establishment clause, persuaded virginia to adopt their own declaration of rights which included yhe free exercuse of religion.
He did this because he was appalled at compulsory taxes and the jailing of seperate Baptists.

 

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#9 reply to #3. ​

“........the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens.,,,,,”From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, 18 August 1790​

​

If that is not multi/culturalism I don’t know what is.​

​

#3​

The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

​

​

#9. I’m talking about multiculturalism on the national level. You know, the United States of America Constitution - not the individual state constitutions. The one that guarantees the right to all individuals under that Constitution the freedom of religion or no religion at all. ​

​

Here George Washington mention’s what Christian Nationalists refuse to hear.​

​

“.. ...the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present {1790s} age.​

​

"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." [George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 726]​

​

"The blessed Religion revealed in the word of will remain an eternal and awful monument to prove that the best Institutions may be abused by human depravity; and that they may even, in some instances, be made subservient to the vilest of purposes."​

[From an unused draft of Washington’s First Inaugural address]​

​

George Washington Quotes on Religion and Church/State Separation​

​

I’m saying GW was not very impressed with the behavior of the Protestant official religions of the thirteen colonies, and the Dogmatic intolerance they demanded from men and women’s consciences up to that time. That takes care of the Protestant discrimination against Catholics for sure. ​

​

Then there is this multi-cultural statement from GW to a very small minority Jewish Congregation as well:​

​

The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support. ,”From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, 18 August 1790. Founders Online: From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport …​

​

Please come back with some facts next time and let us know when you under stand the thread is about the US Godless Constitution which all the states signed into when they joined the Union. ​

​

GW had some advice for the Protestant Clergy whiners about the godless Constitution as well;​

​

In fact, I was reminded of George Washington’s response to a group of Presbyterians who were concerned about the omission of a reference to the Christian religion in the US Constitution. Washington attempted to alleviate their concern writing:​

​

“The tribute of thanksgiving, which you offer to the gracious FATHER OF LIGHTS, for his inspiration of our publick councils with wisdom and firmness to complete the National Constitution, is worthy of men, who, devoted to the pious purposes of religion, desire their accomplishment by such means as advance the temporal happiness of their fellow men. And, here, I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe, that the path of true piety is so plain, as to require but little POLITICAL direction.​

George Washington on Christianity and the U.S. Constitution​

Right. And when you point to separation of church and state as proof of multiculturalism, you are wrong. The establishment clause was written to prevent the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with state established religions.

James Madison, the person that wrote the establishment clause, persuaded virginia to adopt their own declaration of rights which included yhe free exercuse of religion.
He did this because he was appalled at compulsory taxes and the jailing of seperate Baptists.

Good for him. Me too.

 

[TNHarley]

#9 reply to #3. ​

“........the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens.,,,,,”From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, 18 August 1790​

​

If that is not multi/culturalism I don’t know what is.​

​

#3​

The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

​

​

#9. I’m talking about multiculturalism on the national level. You know, the United States of America Constitution - not the individual state constitutions. The one that guarantees the right to all individuals under that Constitution the freedom of religion or no religion at all. ​

​

Here George Washington mention’s what Christian Nationalists refuse to hear.​

​

“.. ...the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present {1790s} age.​

​

"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." [George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 726]​

​

"The blessed Religion revealed in the word of will remain an eternal and awful monument to prove that the best Institutions may be abused by human depravity; and that they may even, in some instances, be made subservient to the vilest of purposes."​

[From an unused draft of Washington’s First Inaugural address]​

​

George Washington Quotes on Religion and Church/State Separation​

​

I’m saying GW was not very impressed with the behavior of the Protestant official religions of the thirteen colonies, and the Dogmatic intolerance they demanded from men and women’s consciences up to that time. That takes care of the Protestant discrimination against Catholics for sure. ​

​

Then there is this multi-cultural statement from GW to a very small minority Jewish Congregation as well:​

​

The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support. ,”From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, 18 August 1790. Founders Online: From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport …​

​

Please come back with some facts next time and let us know when you under stand the thread is about the US Godless Constitution which all the states signed into when they joined the Union. ​

​

GW had some advice for the Protestant Clergy whiners about the godless Constitution as well;​

​

In fact, I was reminded of George Washington’s response to a group of Presbyterians who were concerned about the omission of a reference to the Christian religion in the US Constitution. Washington attempted to alleviate their concern writing:​

​

“The tribute of thanksgiving, which you offer to the gracious FATHER OF LIGHTS, for his inspiration of our publick councils with wisdom and firmness to complete the National Constitution, is worthy of men, who, devoted to the pious purposes of religion, desire their accomplishment by such means as advance the temporal happiness of their fellow men. And, here, I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe, that the path of true piety is so plain, as to require but little POLITICAL direction.​

George Washington on Christianity and the U.S. Constitution​

Right. And when you point to separation of church and state as proof of multiculturalism, you are wrong. The establishment clause was written to prevent the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with state established religions.

James Madison, the person that wrote the establishment clause, persuaded virginia to adopt their own declaration of rights which included yhe free exercuse of religion.
He did this because he was appalled at compulsory taxes and the jailing of seperate Baptists.

Good for him. Me too.

My point was, I dont understand where you get saying the establishment clause protected state established religions.
Jefferson famously said, "the establishment clause built a wall of separation between the church and state"

 

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#9 reply to #3. ​

“........the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens.,,,,,”From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, 18 August 1790​

​

If that is not multi/culturalism I don’t know what is.​

​

#3​

The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

​

​

#9. I’m talking about multiculturalism on the national level. You know, the United States of America Constitution - not the individual state constitutions. The one that guarantees the right to all individuals under that Constitution the freedom of religion or no religion at all. ​

​

Here George Washington mention’s what Christian Nationalists refuse to hear.​

​

“.. ...the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present {1790s} age.​

​

"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." [George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 726]​

​

"The blessed Religion revealed in the word of will remain an eternal and awful monument to prove that the best Institutions may be abused by human depravity; and that they may even, in some instances, be made subservient to the vilest of purposes."​

[From an unused draft of Washington’s First Inaugural address]​

​

George Washington Quotes on Religion and Church/State Separation​

​

I’m saying GW was not very impressed with the behavior of the Protestant official religions of the thirteen colonies, and the Dogmatic intolerance they demanded from men and women’s consciences up to that time. That takes care of the Protestant discrimination against Catholics for sure. ​

​

Then there is this multi-cultural statement from GW to a very small minority Jewish Congregation as well:​

​

The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support. ,”From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, 18 August 1790. Founders Online: From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport …​

​

Please come back with some facts next time and let us know when you under stand the thread is about the US Godless Constitution which all the states signed into when they joined the Union. ​

​

GW had some advice for the Protestant Clergy whiners about the godless Constitution as well;​

​

In fact, I was reminded of George Washington’s response to a group of Presbyterians who were concerned about the omission of a reference to the Christian religion in the US Constitution. Washington attempted to alleviate their concern writing:​

​

“The tribute of thanksgiving, which you offer to the gracious FATHER OF LIGHTS, for his inspiration of our publick councils with wisdom and firmness to complete the National Constitution, is worthy of men, who, devoted to the pious purposes of religion, desire their accomplishment by such means as advance the temporal happiness of their fellow men. And, here, I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe, that the path of true piety is so plain, as to require but little POLITICAL direction.​

George Washington on Christianity and the U.S. Constitution​

Right. And when you point to separation of church and state as proof of multiculturalism, you are wrong. The establishment clause was written to prevent the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with state established religions.

James Madison, the person that wrote the establishment clause, persuaded virginia to adopt their own declaration of rights which included yhe free exercuse of religion.
He did this because he was appalled at compulsory taxes and the jailing of seperate Baptists.

Good for him. Me too.

My point was, I dont understand where you get saying the establishment clause protected state established religions.
Jefferson famously said, "the establishment clause built a wall of separation between the church and state"

Because when it was originally drafted by Madison the draft applied to state governments too but that version was defeated in the Senate. At the time of ratification half of the states had established state religions which required oaths to be taken to hold political office. It wasn't until the 14th amendment that the establishment clause was applied to state governments. Same for the 2nd Amendment. It was a broad overreach by SCOTUS. Wholly unconstitutional, but it's never been challenged. Ironically when the 14th was ratified there were no longer any established state religions.

Prior to the enactment of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1868, the Supreme Court generally held that the substantive protections of the Bill of Rights did not apply to state governments. Subsequently, under the Incorporation doctrine, the Bill of Rights has been broadly applied to limit state and local government as well. Establishment Clause - Wikipedia

 

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The 14th Amendment and the Bill of Rights | Tenth Amendment Center

Did Congress or the ratifying States intend to incorporate, in whole or in part, the Bill of Rights

tenthamendmentcenter.com

"...This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise, of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the U. S. Certainly no power to prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the general government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority..."

Amendment I (Religion): Thomas Jefferson to Rev. Samuel Miller

press-pubs.uchicago.edu

The True Meaning of Separation of Church and State

The Founders weren't anti-religion, rather they were against the federal government establishing one.

www.forbes.com

 

[whutTHEYsay]

It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible

It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor

that is idiotic nonsense. The US CONSTITUTION guarantees and protects against the creation of the theocracy you dream about. Thank god that it does.

 

[TNHarley]

#9 reply to #3. ​

“........the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens.,,,,,”From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, 18 August 1790​

​

If that is not multi/culturalism I don’t know what is.​

​

#3​

The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

​

​

#9. I’m talking about multiculturalism on the national level. You know, the United States of America Constitution - not the individual state constitutions. The one that guarantees the right to all individuals under that Constitution the freedom of religion or no religion at all. ​

​

Here George Washington mention’s what Christian Nationalists refuse to hear.​

​

“.. ...the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present {1790s} age.​

​

"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." [George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, October 20, 1792; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 726]​

​

"The blessed Religion revealed in the word of will remain an eternal and awful monument to prove that the best Institutions may be abused by human depravity; and that they may even, in some instances, be made subservient to the vilest of purposes."​

[From an unused draft of Washington’s First Inaugural address]​

​

George Washington Quotes on Religion and Church/State Separation​

​

I’m saying GW was not very impressed with the behavior of the Protestant official religions of the thirteen colonies, and the Dogmatic intolerance they demanded from men and women’s consciences up to that time. That takes care of the Protestant discrimination against Catholics for sure. ​

​

Then there is this multi-cultural statement from GW to a very small minority Jewish Congregation as well:​

​

The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support. ,”From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, 18 August 1790. Founders Online: From George Washington to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport …​

​

Please come back with some facts next time and let us know when you under stand the thread is about the US Godless Constitution which all the states signed into when they joined the Union. ​

​

GW had some advice for the Protestant Clergy whiners about the godless Constitution as well;​

​

In fact, I was reminded of George Washington’s response to a group of Presbyterians who were concerned about the omission of a reference to the Christian religion in the US Constitution. Washington attempted to alleviate their concern writing:​

​

“The tribute of thanksgiving, which you offer to the gracious FATHER OF LIGHTS, for his inspiration of our publick councils with wisdom and firmness to complete the National Constitution, is worthy of men, who, devoted to the pious purposes of religion, desire their accomplishment by such means as advance the temporal happiness of their fellow men. And, here, I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe, that the path of true piety is so plain, as to require but little POLITICAL direction.​

George Washington on Christianity and the U.S. Constitution​

Right. And when you point to separation of church and state as proof of multiculturalism, you are wrong. The establishment clause was written to prevent the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with state established religions.

James Madison, the person that wrote the establishment clause, persuaded virginia to adopt their own declaration of rights which included yhe free exercuse of religion.
He did this because he was appalled at compulsory taxes and the jailing of seperate Baptists.

Good for him. Me too.

My point was, I dont understand where you get saying the establishment clause protected state established religions.
Jefferson famously said, "the establishment clause built a wall of separation between the church and state"

Because when it was originally drafted by Madison the draft applied to state governments too but that version was defeated in the Senate. At the time of ratification half of the states had established state religions which required oaths to be taken to hold political office. It wasn't until the 14th amendment that the establishment clause was applied to state governments. Same for the 2nd Amendment. It was a broad overreach by SCOTUS. Wholly unconstitutional, but it's never been challenged. Ironically when the 14th was ratified there were no longer any established state religions.

Prior to the enactment of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1868, the Supreme Court generally held that the substantive protections of the Bill of Rights did not apply to state governments. Subsequently, under the Incorporation doctrine, the Bill of Rights has been broadly applied to limit state and local government as well. Establishment Clause - Wikipedia

I cant argue..

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Anyone convinced or of the opinion that Protestant Christianity was ”tied” to the US Constitution when it was written are certainly welcome to bring history, facts, and the best knowledge about the hearts, minds and souls of our founding fathers and the religion, philosophy and science they absorbed during their lifetimes to make that case.

Dude, your understanding of separation of church and state is flawed.

#9. I’m talking about multiculturalism on the national level. You know, the United States of America Constitution - not the individual state constitutions. The one that guarantees the right to all individuals under that Constitution the freedom of religion or no religion at all.

Good job trying to subvert religion

Where do you perceive that this thread is an attempt to subvert religion?

 

[ding]

Anyone convinced or of the opinion that Protestant Christianity was ”tied” to the US Constitution when it was written are certainly welcome to bring history, facts, and the best knowledge about the hearts, minds and souls of our founding fathers and the religion, philosophy and science they absorbed during their lifetimes to make that case.

Dude, your understanding of separation of church and state is flawed.

#9. I’m talking about multiculturalism on the national level. You know, the United States of America Constitution - not the individual state constitutions. The one that guarantees the right to all individuals under that Constitution the freedom of religion or no religion at all.

Good job trying to subvert religion

Where do you perceive that this thread is an attempt to subvert religion?

Not the thread. You.

 

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It’s Christianity that was historically divisive and repulsive.

^subversion

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Not the thread. You.

Where do you perceive that I by posting this thread is an attempt to subvert religion?

If you dont know, just admit it.

 

[ding]

Not the thread. You.

Where do you perceive that I by posting this thread is an attempt to subvert religion?

If you dont know, just admit it.

It's not the thread. It's what you post in the thread. Don't be a pussy about it. Own it. Be proud of your subversion.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

It’s Christianity that was historically divisive and repulsive.

^subversion

I’m expressing a point of view that accurately defines the UN peaceful history of Christianity in Europe that was known to great Revolutionary War leaders such as George Washington.

Do you consider Washington’s disparaging views on the history of Christianity to be wrong and is therefore subversive to religion?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

. It's what you post in the thread.

What is the specific content that I have posted in this thread that subverts religion?

This is what I hoped could be discussed on this thread.

“Anyone convinced or of the opinion that Protestant Christianity was ”tied” to the US Constitution when it was written are certainly welcome to bring history, facts, and the best knowledge about the hearts, minds and souls of our founding fathers and the religion, philosophy and science they absorbed during their lifetimes to make that case.”

What prevents you from discussing whether or not you think - Protestant Christianity was ”tied” to the US Constitution when it was written?