America makes aircraft carriers. China sells stuff…

[gipper]

So true and they are kicking our ass in just about every economic endeavor. We are watching the USA Empire slowly die before our eyes, thanks to our rapacious oligarchs and the politicians they own. Not necessarily a bad thing. A warlike empire needs termination.

Excellent column by Fred Reed.
A Dolorous Imbalance


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Prototype of China’s 385 mph maglev train

Pingtang Bridge, recently opened. Well over a thousand feet high



“An almost entirely automated port in China, during unload of a container ship. “

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So true and they are kicking our ass in just about every economic endeavor. We are watching the USA Empire slowly die before our eyes, thanks to our rapacious oligarchs and the politicians they own. Not necessarily a bad thing. A warlike empire needs termination.

Excellent column by Fred Reed.
A Dolorous Imbalance


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Prototype of China’s 385 mph maglev train

Pingtang Bridge, recently opened. Well over a thousand feet high



“An almost entirely automated port in China, during unload of a container ship. “

That train looks awesome.

 

[BluesLegend]

Meh, China's products are crap quality. Second if we cut off their energy supply and they will fold like a cheap lawn chair.

 

[007]

And if the average, (powerless), American citizen doesn't like it, all they can do is try and find items they need or want made in USA, which is exactly what I do, and sometimes they cost a considerable amount more, but I pay it.

But one thing China doesn't have is enough food and lumber. If we decided to cut off either, China would be screwed.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

This has only been happening for three plus decades now. Again, if you can convince the American worker to labor for slave wages with no benefits, if you can convince cities and towns to give corporations free land and no taxes (beyond the sweetheart deals they have now), and if you can import the raw materials in bulk and at cost, you might, I mean you might be able to manufacture goods in bulk that could compete price wise with the likes of China. As for the infrastructure issues, well, not much can be said there. Both parties consider it an issue to varying degrees. Democrats want grandiose plans which Republicans reject, and Republicans won't spend enough money to even make a dent in repairing what we have, which Democrats reject. Ergo, nothing gets done.

EDIT -IMHO the United States will never be a manufacturing powerhouse again and it's silly to try and pursue it. We have evolved into a service economy. Our time and resources would be better spent on education, getting kids..and adults up to speed and trained in STEM and other useful disciplines

 

[Rigby5]

Meh, China's products are crap quality. Second if we cut off their energy supply and they will fold like a cheap lawn chair.

We don't control the world's energy supply, so we can't cut it off.

 

[Rigby5]

And if the average, (powerless), American citizen doesn't like it, all they can do is try and find items they need or want made in USA, which is exactly what I do, and sometimes they cost a considerable amount more, but I pay it.

But one thing China doesn't have is enough food and lumber. If we decided to cut off either, China would be screwed.

China is investing heavily in African farm land, so is likely to soon be independent of the US.

 

[Rigby5]

This has only been happening for three plus decades now. Again, if you can convince the American worker to labor for slave wages with no benefits, if you can convince cities and towns to give corporations free land and no taxes (beyond the sweetheart deals they have now), and if you can import the raw materials in bulk and at cost, you might, I mean you might be able to manufacture goods in bulk that could compete price wise with the likes of China. As for the infrastructure issues, well, not much can be said there. Both parties consider it an issue to varying degrees. Democrats want grandiose plans which Republicans reject, and Republicans won't spend enough money to even make a dent in repairing what we have, which Democrats reject. Ergo, nothing gets done.

EDIT -IMHO the United States will never be a manufacturing powerhouse again and it's silly to try and pursue it. We have evolved into a service economy. Our time and resources would be better spent on education, getting kids..and adults up to speed and trained in STEM and other useful disciplines

The problem is the investment money we have in the US is being wasted on military spending like aircraft carriers, that we don't really need.
We don't need slave labor to beat the Chinese, because we can use robotics.

 

[cnm]

But one thing China doesn't have is enough food and lumber. If we decided to cut off either, China would be screwed.

China seemed to find other suppliers quickly enough to put US farmers under heavy pressure during the early tariff wars.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

This has only been happening for three plus decades now. Again, if you can convince the American worker to labor for slave wages with no benefits, if you can convince cities and towns to give corporations free land and no taxes (beyond the sweetheart deals they have now), and if you can import the raw materials in bulk and at cost, you might, I mean you might be able to manufacture goods in bulk that could compete price wise with the likes of China. As for the infrastructure issues, well, not much can be said there. Both parties consider it an issue to varying degrees. Democrats want grandiose plans which Republicans reject, and Republicans won't spend enough money to even make a dent in repairing what we have, which Democrats reject. Ergo, nothing gets done.

EDIT -IMHO the United States will never be a manufacturing powerhouse again and it's silly to try and pursue it. We have evolved into a service economy. Our time and resources would be better spent on education, getting kids..and adults up to speed and trained in STEM and other useful disciplines

The problem is the investment money we have in the US is being wasted on military spending like aircraft carriers, that we don't really need.
We don't need slave labor to beat the Chinese, because we can use robotics.

Agreed. All part of the overall equation. But if we use robotics to compete with China, we are going to displace millions of workers and will need to find something for these people to do. So it's either universal income, affordable housing, and universal healthcare (your basic needs are taken care of), or it's education and training and let the issue work itself out over the next few decades.

 

[xband]

So true and they are kicking our ass in just about every economic endeavor. We are watching the USA Empire slowly die before our eyes, thanks to our rapacious oligarchs and the politicians they own. Not necessarily a bad thing. A warlike empire needs termination.

Excellent column by Fred Reed.
A Dolorous Imbalance


Now R supporters commence Xiden comments and D supporters Putin/Trump are lovers comments, just like little naughty second graders.

Prototype of China’s 385 mph maglev train

Pingtang Bridge, recently opened. Well over a thousand feet high



“An almost entirely automated port in China, during unload of a container ship. “

China has one aircraft carrier and looks to be a jump jet carrier.

 

[JWBooth]

Point of the article seems to be that China does business, the US does empire and the empire is fading fast.
Reed has done a number of articles regarding Chinese advances.

 

[xband]

Point of the article seems to be that China does business, the US does empire and the empire is fading fast.
Reed has done a number of articles regarding Chinese advances.

The job of the US Navy is to keep the sea lanes open and not build an Empire.

 

[JWBooth]

Point of the article seems to be that China does business, the US does empire and the empire is fading fast.
Reed has done a number of articles regarding Chinese advances.

The job of the US Navy is to keep the sea lanes open and not build an Empire.

Except where the empire disallows trade among nations that don’t bend a knee.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

This has only been happening for three plus decades now. Again, if you can convince the American worker to labor for slave wages with no benefits, if you can convince cities and towns to give corporations free land and no taxes (beyond the sweetheart deals they have now), and if you can import the raw materials in bulk and at cost, you might, I mean you might be able to manufacture goods in bulk that could compete price wise with the likes of China. As for the infrastructure issues, well, not much can be said there. Both parties consider it an issue to varying degrees. Democrats want grandiose plans which Republicans reject, and Republicans won't spend enough money to even make a dent in repairing what we have, which Democrats reject. Ergo, nothing gets done.

EDIT -IMHO the United States will never be a manufacturing powerhouse again and it's silly to try and pursue it. We have evolved into a service economy. Our time and resources would be better spent on education, getting kids..and adults up to speed and trained in STEM and other useful disciplines

The problem is the investment money we have in the US is being wasted on military spending like aircraft carriers, that we don't really need.
We don't need slave labor to beat the Chinese, because we can use robotics.

Agreed. All part of the overall equation. But if we use robotics to compete with China, we are going to displace millions of workers and will need to find something for these people to do. So it's either universal income, affordable housing, and universal healthcare (your basic needs are taken care of), or it's education and training and let the issue work itself out over the next few decades.

Machines cannot replace humans completely. It will probably require lots of re-training into other fields, but manufacturing will never be completely automated, or at least not for a very long time.

The problem with having complete automation and providing no jobs to humans is that no humans can afford to be consumers. It's a shit business model.

 

[xband]

Point of the article seems to be that China does business, the US does empire and the empire is fading fast.
Reed has done a number of articles regarding Chinese advances.

The job of the US Navy is to keep the sea lanes open and not build an Empire.

Except where the empire disallows trade among nations that don’t bend a knee.

Read the Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith. Free Trade.

 

[22lcidw]

This has only been happening for three plus decades now. Again, if you can convince the American worker to labor for slave wages with no benefits, if you can convince cities and towns to give corporations free land and no taxes (beyond the sweetheart deals they have now), and if you can import the raw materials in bulk and at cost, you might, I mean you might be able to manufacture goods in bulk that could compete price wise with the likes of China. As for the infrastructure issues, well, not much can be said there. Both parties consider it an issue to varying degrees. Democrats want grandiose plans which Republicans reject, and Republicans won't spend enough money to even make a dent in repairing what we have, which Democrats reject. Ergo, nothing gets done.

EDIT -IMHO the United States will never be a manufacturing powerhouse again and it's silly to try and pursue it. We have evolved into a service economy. Our time and resources would be better spent on education, getting kids..and adults up to speed and trained in STEM and other useful disciplines

We would have to change our social program structure for that and become a sovereign nation with borders. The costs of producing everything here which we once did would be higher then what we see at Wal Mart in today's world. But we would be safer to being messed with by other nations. We enabled China. China released a Virus. Not nice. In another time an act of war. But the earth maybe a cinder now if we did.

 

[JWBooth]

Point of the article seems to be that China does business, the US does empire and the empire is fading fast.
Reed has done a number of articles regarding Chinese advances.

The job of the US Navy is to keep the sea lanes open and not build an Empire.

Except where the empire disallows trade among nations that don’t bend a knee.

Read the Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith. Free Trade.

Human Action, Von Mises, and What is Seen and What is not Seen, Bastiat are better treatises on trade. Nowhere does Smith advocate trade restrictions and label it as free trade. That is a canard that the empire (and its acolytes) floats.

 

[Crepitus]

So true and they are kicking our ass in just about every economic endeavor. We are watching the USA Empire slowly die before our eyes, thanks to our rapacious oligarchs and the politicians they own. Not necessarily a bad thing. A warlike empire needs termination.

Excellent column by Fred Reed.
A Dolorous Imbalance


Now R supporters commence Xiden comments and D supporters Putin/Trump are lovers comments, just like little naughty second graders.

Prototype of China’s 385 mph maglev train

Pingtang Bridge, recently opened. Well over a thousand feet high



“An almost entirely automated port in China, during unload of a container ship. “

They also have 3 aircraft carriers under construction and two completed and in service.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Meh, China's products are crap quality. Second if we cut off their energy supply and they will fold like a cheap lawn chair.

meh my ass. Crappy as it is, they are the only country manufacturing anything. Thank you so much NAFTA...