America makes aircraft carriers. China sells stuff…

[gipper]

Meh, China's products are crap quality. Second if we cut off their energy supply and they will fold like a cheap lawn chair.

Back in the day, they said the same thing about Made in Japan stuff.

It’s certainly isn’t true of products from Japan or China today, but some Americans need to believe stupid shit.

Said nobody who just spent two weeks fixing a crap made in China machine.

Why fix it? Just replace it. It’s cheap.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

NAFTA has nothing to do with the Navy or the military. But no doubt that fact that we guarantee the seas for free trade is a holdover from the Reagan Doctrine. Obviously the Navy was pretty useless in Trump's attempt to bring Jina to heel. It may be good that Biden is not getting in Germany's way to contract with Russia for natl gas, which is a deal neither side can cut off for political reasons without hurting their own economies. OF course, Poland and Ukraine fear Putin. But maybe there's another way to obtain E. Europe stability.

The Navy, in an all out war with China, could literally win the war without using any other branch of military if fully unleashed. The U.S. navy is 6 times the rest of the world's navies... combined.

 

[gipper]

NAFTA has nothing to do with the Navy or the military. But no doubt that fact that we guarantee the seas for free trade is a holdover from the Reagan Doctrine. Obviously the Navy was pretty useless in Trump's attempt to bring Jina to heel. It may be good that Biden is not getting in Germany's way to contract with Russia for natl gas, which is a deal neither side can cut off for political reasons without hurting their own economies. OF course, Poland and Ukraine fear Putin. But maybe there's another way to obtain E. Europe stability.

The Navy, in an all out war with China, could literally win the war without using any other branch of military if fully unleashed. The U.S. navy is 6 times the rest of the world's navies... combined.

Isn’t that wonderful? Lol.

Millions of Americans in poverty and many homeless and all without HC, but our navy is 6 times the rest of the world. How cool!

 

[gipper]

And if the average, (powerless), American citizen doesn't like it, all they can do is try and find items they need or want made in USA, which is exactly what I do, and sometimes they cost a considerable amount more, but I pay it.

But one thing China doesn't have is enough food and lumber. If we decided to cut off either, China would be screwed.

You don’t think China could just as easily screw us?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

NAFTA has nothing to do with the Navy or the military. But no doubt that fact that we guarantee the seas for free trade is a holdover from the Reagan Doctrine. Obviously the Navy was pretty useless in Trump's attempt to bring Jina to heel. It may be good that Biden is not getting in Germany's way to contract with Russia for natl gas, which is a deal neither side can cut off for political reasons without hurting their own economies. OF course, Poland and Ukraine fear Putin. But maybe there's another way to obtain E. Europe stability.

The Navy, in an all out war with China, could literally win the war without using any other branch of military if fully unleashed. The U.S. navy is 6 times the rest of the world's navies... combined.

Isn’t that wonderful? Lol.

Millions of Americans in poverty and many homeless and all without HC, but our navy is 6 times the rest of the world. How cool!

It stems from a lesson learned in WW II.
If Midway would have went differently, the war would have been very different. Japan would have owned the seas for a decade. And surprise attacks on the U.S. western coast would have been unstoppable.
So... U.S. said never again.
If the United States did not have a super military, then someone else would have risen to power. Most of Europe would likely be speaking Russian. And perhaps Russia would also control middle eastern oil.

 

[JWBooth]

Meh, China's products are crap quality. Second if we cut off their energy supply and they will fold like a cheap lawn chair.

meh my ass. Crappy as it is, they are the only country manufacturing anything. Thank you so much NAFTA...

I think the Trans Pacific Partnership is the correct target here as opposed to the North American Free Trade Agreement. Neither does anything for free trade

We never want "free trade" as that always is easily abused.
What we want instead is "fair trade".

The problem with NAFTA was only that Mexico uses Value Added Taxes (VAT), paid by the customer when products purchased, while the US uses income tax, paid by the seller at the end of the year. Which means Mexican product sold in the US avoid both VAT and income taxes, while US products sold in Mexico pay both VAT and income taxes.

Fallacious nonsense. “Fair” trade is always a manipulation that favors some entity that has a bought and paid for legislator writing the legislation in their favor.

 

[gipper]

NAFTA has nothing to do with the Navy or the military. But no doubt that fact that we guarantee the seas for free trade is a holdover from the Reagan Doctrine. Obviously the Navy was pretty useless in Trump's attempt to bring Jina to heel. It may be good that Biden is not getting in Germany's way to contract with Russia for natl gas, which is a deal neither side can cut off for political reasons without hurting their own economies. OF course, Poland and Ukraine fear Putin. But maybe there's another way to obtain E. Europe stability.

The Navy, in an all out war with China, could literally win the war without using any other branch of military if fully unleashed. The U.S. navy is 6 times the rest of the world's navies... combined.

Isn’t that wonderful? Lol.

Millions of Americans in poverty and many homeless and all without HC, but our navy is 6 times the rest of the world. How cool!

It stems from a lesson learned in WW II.
If Midway would have went differently, the war would have been very different. Japan would have owned the seas for a decade. And surprise attacks on the U.S. western coast would have been unstoppable.
So... U.S. said never again.
If the United States did not have a super military, then someone else would have risen to power. Most of Europe would likely be speaking Russian. And perhaps Russia would also control middle eastern oil.

That’s absurd. Japan never had a chance against us.

 

[JWBooth]

The Navy, in an all out war with China, could literally win the war without using any other branch of military if fully unleashed. The U.S. navy is 6 times the rest of the world's navies... combined.

6 times the targets. If things get shitty, those carriers will make wonderful artificial reefs

 

[bendog]

NAFTA has nothing to do with the Navy or the military. But no doubt that fact that we guarantee the seas for free trade is a holdover from the Reagan Doctrine. Obviously the Navy was pretty useless in Trump's attempt to bring Jina to heel. It may be good that Biden is not getting in Germany's way to contract with Russia for natl gas, which is a deal neither side can cut off for political reasons without hurting their own economies. OF course, Poland and Ukraine fear Putin. But maybe there's another way to obtain E. Europe stability.

The Navy, in an all out war with China, could literally win the war without using any other branch of military if fully unleashed. The U.S. navy is 6 times the rest of the world's navies... combined.

Isn’t that wonderful? Lol.

Millions of Americans in poverty and many homeless and all without HC, but our navy is 6 times the rest of the world. How cool!

It stems from a lesson learned in WW II.
If Midway would have went differently, the war would have been very different. Japan would have owned the seas for a decade. And surprise attacks on the U.S. western coast would have been unstoppable.
So... U.S. said never again.
If the United States did not have a super military, then someone else would have risen to power. Most of Europe would likely be speaking Russian. And perhaps Russia would also control middle eastern oil.

That’s absurd. Japan never had a chance against us.

well regardless of the soundness, when we embargoed Japan from our steel, and then they were cut off from oil from what was the Dutch East Indies (I think today's Indonesia) we set in place a trade issue. The Navy messed up enforcing it.

Russia is not going to invade Germany even though Germany lacks any defense outside the US. Russia needs German euros for the natl gas. THAT's the issue of Nord Stream 2. But Russia may invade Ukraine again to support ethnic Russians who may feel discriminated or wanting to be part of Mother Russia. I doubt Putin wants to fck with Poland. Maybe we should address how Putin could be deterred without a nuclear exchange.

China may invade Taiwan sometime in the next 50 years. But that's not really a trade issue. I doubt China has any propblem with us spending our dollars to make sure pirates don't mess with their shipping crap they export. What they seem to be up to is taking control of the oceans between them and the Phillapines and encroaching into Vietnamese water. That may be about oil. It is probably also about making sure they can intimidate others to not allow us to take our offshore maftring from China and put it elsewhere, which is one thing Trump toyed with but never really forced.

I don't really have any idea how far China wants to push this. Xi is setting himself up for Maolike Control. That's different from when Nixon opened things up.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

And if the average, (powerless), American citizen doesn't like it, all they can do is try and find items they need or want made in USA, which is exactly what I do, and sometimes they cost a considerable amount more, but I pay it.

But one thing China doesn't have is enough food and lumber. If we decided to cut off either, China would be screwed.

China is investing heavily in African farm land, so is likely to soon be independent of the US.

They are also buying up Africa.....with all their natural resources....bottom line China is growing more powerful in every way to include their military power....not even to mention their huge,huge population.

Bottom line: some of our top Generals have warned us China is preparing for war.

One of their military leaders was quoted as saying....would America be willing to sacrifice Los Angeles for the sake of Taiwan?

I think most of us know the answer to that.....China understands America....thus they know our weakness....thus they know how to defeat us if they feel the need.

Right now they are concentrating on improving their economy, their control of the world's natural resources and investing hugely in military research and development.

They are convinced even now they can defeat us militarily....and I think they are right....our military is highly over-rated and is getting weaker every day due to all the radical social policies it is being dragged down by....losing much talent also....critical people with much needed skills are leaving the military not even to mention all those being purged by the biden regime.

China is going to make big demands on biden....if they do not get them expect a military confrontation before the mid-term elections.

 

[bripat9643]

This has only been happening for three plus decades now. Again, if you can convince the American worker to labor for slave wages with no benefits, if you can convince cities and towns to give corporations free land and no taxes (beyond the sweetheart deals they have now), and if you can import the raw materials in bulk and at cost, you might, I mean you might be able to manufacture goods in bulk that could compete price wise with the likes of China. As for the infrastructure issues, well, not much can be said there. Both parties consider it an issue to varying degrees. Democrats want grandiose plans which Republicans reject, and Republicans won't spend enough money to even make a dent in repairing what we have, which Democrats reject. Ergo, nothing gets done.

EDIT -IMHO the United States will never be a manufacturing powerhouse again and it's silly to try and pursue it. We have evolved into a service economy. Our time and resources would be better spent on education, getting kids..and adults up to speed and trained in STEM and other useful disciplines

The problem is the investment money we have in the US is being wasted on military spending like aircraft carriers, that we don't really need.
We don't need slave labor to beat the Chinese, because we can use robotics.

The problem is that Democrat politicians are hobbling our economy with their insane regulations and the "green energy" horseshit.

 

[BluesLegend]

Meh, China's products are crap quality. Second if we cut off their energy supply and they will fold like a cheap lawn chair.

Back in the day, they said the same thing about Made in Japan stuff.

It’s certainly isn’t true of products from Japan or China today, but some Americans need to believe stupid shit.

Said nobody who just spent two weeks fixing a crap made in China machine.

Why fix it? Just replace it. It’s cheap.

It was brand new, stop embarrassing yourself you are not informed on this topic.

 

[gipper]

NAFTA has nothing to do with the Navy or the military. But no doubt that fact that we guarantee the seas for free trade is a holdover from the Reagan Doctrine. Obviously the Navy was pretty useless in Trump's attempt to bring Jina to heel. It may be good that Biden is not getting in Germany's way to contract with Russia for natl gas, which is a deal neither side can cut off for political reasons without hurting their own economies. OF course, Poland and Ukraine fear Putin. But maybe there's another way to obtain E. Europe stability.

The Navy, in an all out war with China, could literally win the war without using any other branch of military if fully unleashed. The U.S. navy is 6 times the rest of the world's navies... combined.

Isn’t that wonderful? Lol.

Millions of Americans in poverty and many homeless and all without HC, but our navy is 6 times the rest of the world. How cool!

It stems from a lesson learned in WW II.
If Midway would have went differently, the war would have been very different. Japan would have owned the seas for a decade. And surprise attacks on the U.S. western coast would have been unstoppable.
So... U.S. said never again.
If the United States did not have a super military, then someone else would have risen to power. Most of Europe would likely be speaking Russian. And perhaps Russia would also control middle eastern oil.

That’s absurd. Japan never had a chance against us.

well regardless of the soundness, when we embargoed Japan from our steel, and then they were cut off from oil from what was the Dutch East Indies (I think today's Indonesia) we set in place a trade issue. The Navy messed up enforcing it.

Russia is not going to invade Germany even though Germany lacks any defense outside the US. Russia needs German euros for the natl gas. THAT's the issue of Nord Stream 2. But Russia may invade Ukraine again to support ethnic Russians who may feel discriminated or wanting to be part of Mother Russia. I doubt Putin wants to fck with Poland. Maybe we should address how Putin could be deterred without a nuclear exchange.

China may invade Taiwan sometime in the next 50 years. But that's not really a trade issue. I doubt China has any propblem with us spending our dollars to make sure pirates don't mess with their shipping crap they export. What they seem to be up to is taking control of the oceans between them and the Phillapines and encroaching into Vietnamese water. That may be about oil. It is probably also about making sure they can intimidate others to not allow us to take our offshore maftring from China and put it elsewhere, which is one thing Trump toyed with but never really forced.

I don't really have any idea how far China wants to push this. Xi is setting himself up for Maolike Control. That's different from when Nixon opened things up.

The problem with that is the only nation invading other nations these days is the USA. Its more likely our criminal government starts something with China or Russia. They are constantly trying to incite both nations.

 

[BluesLegend]

This has only been happening for three plus decades now. Again, if you can convince the American worker to labor for slave wages with no benefits, if you can convince cities and towns to give corporations free land and no taxes (beyond the sweetheart deals they have now), and if you can import the raw materials in bulk and at cost, you might, I mean you might be able to manufacture goods in bulk that could compete price wise with the likes of China. As for the infrastructure issues, well, not much can be said there. Both parties consider it an issue to varying degrees. Democrats want grandiose plans which Republicans reject, and Republicans won't spend enough money to even make a dent in repairing what we have, which Democrats reject. Ergo, nothing gets done.

EDIT -IMHO the United States will never be a manufacturing powerhouse again and it's silly to try and pursue it. We have evolved into a service economy. Our time and resources would be better spent on education, getting kids..and adults up to speed and trained in STEM and other useful disciplines

The problem is the investment money we have in the US is being wasted on military spending like aircraft carriers, that we don't really need.
We don't need slave labor to beat the Chinese, because we can use robotics.

The problem is that Democrat politicians are hobbling our economy with their insane regulations and the "green energy" horseshit.

AND sky high corporate taxes which makes it near impossible for American companies to compete. The mooching parasite Dems would suck American businesses dry if given half a chance.

 

[gipper]

Meh, China's products are crap quality. Second if we cut off their energy supply and they will fold like a cheap lawn chair.

Back in the day, they said the same thing about Made in Japan stuff.

It’s certainly isn’t true of products from Japan or China today, but some Americans need to believe stupid shit.

Said nobody who just spent two weeks fixing a crap made in China machine.

Why fix it? Just replace it. It’s cheap.

It was brand new, stop embarrassing yourself you are not informed on this topic.

Lol. You think China makes only shitty products, yet you think I’m embarrassing myself. You got some nerve there son.

 

[JWBooth]

Even when assembled in the USA, everything not made wholly of lumber has Chinese components.

 

[BluesLegend]

Meh, China's products are crap quality. Second if we cut off their energy supply and they will fold like a cheap lawn chair.

Back in the day, they said the same thing about Made in Japan stuff.

It’s certainly isn’t true of products from Japan or China today, but some Americans need to believe stupid shit.

Said nobody who just spent two weeks fixing a crap made in China machine.

Why fix it? Just replace it. It’s cheap.

It was brand new, stop embarrassing yourself you are not informed on this topic.

Lol. You think China makes only shitty products, yet you think I’m embarrassing myself. You got some nerve there son.

China makes shit products, and ships defective products on purpose. They are thieves who blatantly copied American products, destroyed iconic American companies with their shit imports and after the American companies went belly up they purchased the brand for pennies on the dollar and now flood the USA with crap cheap knock offs using the American brand names. All while our bought off bribed politicians in Washington looked on and did nothing because they were getting rich off China. Countless American industries have been damaged and outright destroyed by China. They are no friend of the USA or the world.

 

[bendog]

NAFTA has nothing to do with the Navy or the military. But no doubt that fact that we guarantee the seas for free trade is a holdover from the Reagan Doctrine. Obviously the Navy was pretty useless in Trump's attempt to bring Jina to heel. It may be good that Biden is not getting in Germany's way to contract with Russia for natl gas, which is a deal neither side can cut off for political reasons without hurting their own economies. OF course, Poland and Ukraine fear Putin. But maybe there's another way to obtain E. Europe stability.

The Navy, in an all out war with China, could literally win the war without using any other branch of military if fully unleashed. The U.S. navy is 6 times the rest of the world's navies... combined.

Isn’t that wonderful? Lol.

Millions of Americans in poverty and many homeless and all without HC, but our navy is 6 times the rest of the world. How cool!

It stems from a lesson learned in WW II.
If Midway would have went differently, the war would have been very different. Japan would have owned the seas for a decade. And surprise attacks on the U.S. western coast would have been unstoppable.
So... U.S. said never again.
If the United States did not have a super military, then someone else would have risen to power. Most of Europe would likely be speaking Russian. And perhaps Russia would also control middle eastern oil.

That’s absurd. Japan never had a chance against us.

well regardless of the soundness, when we embargoed Japan from our steel, and then they were cut off from oil from what was the Dutch East Indies (I think today's Indonesia) we set in place a trade issue. The Navy messed up enforcing it.

Russia is not going to invade Germany even though Germany lacks any defense outside the US. Russia needs German euros for the natl gas. THAT's the issue of Nord Stream 2. But Russia may invade Ukraine again to support ethnic Russians who may feel discriminated or wanting to be part of Mother Russia. I doubt Putin wants to fck with Poland. Maybe we should address how Putin could be deterred without a nuclear exchange.

China may invade Taiwan sometime in the next 50 years. But that's not really a trade issue. I doubt China has any propblem with us spending our dollars to make sure pirates don't mess with their shipping crap they export. What they seem to be up to is taking control of the oceans between them and the Phillapines and encroaching into Vietnamese water. That may be about oil. It is probably also about making sure they can intimidate others to not allow us to take our offshore maftring from China and put it elsewhere, which is one thing Trump toyed with but never really forced.

I don't really have any idea how far China wants to push this. Xi is setting himself up for Maolike Control. That's different from when Nixon opened things up.

The problem with that is the only nation invading other nations these days is the USA. Its more likely our criminal government starts something with China or Russia. They are constantly trying to incite both nations.

Well Russia did invade Ukraine, and Georgia. And Nato may have prevented them in the Baltics. But in europe 1938, what Hitler was doing was basically acquiring GNP. And Russia took GNP in the Steel Curtain. Today, while people complain about intl trade, the reality is an intl interdependence. That's why the Saudis stopped embargoing.

But there still are reasons for a war. Russia has the ethnic Russians sprinkled in the former USSR. AND Putin would love to force Belarus and Ukraine into trade agreements cutting out the EU. Of course Russia sucks at making anything. China will probably invade Taiwan someday. They may try to use force, or threats, to give less advantaged trade to the US and Europe.

The US invaded Iraq but nobody's suggesting that was a good decision.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

NAFTA has nothing to do with the Navy or the military. But no doubt that fact that we guarantee the seas for free trade is a holdover from the Reagan Doctrine. Obviously the Navy was pretty useless in Trump's attempt to bring Jina to heel. It may be good that Biden is not getting in Germany's way to contract with Russia for natl gas, which is a deal neither side can cut off for political reasons without hurting their own economies. OF course, Poland and Ukraine fear Putin. But maybe there's another way to obtain E. Europe stability.

The Navy, in an all out war with China, could literally win the war without using any other branch of military if fully unleashed. The U.S. navy is 6 times the rest of the world's navies... combined.

Isn’t that wonderful? Lol.

Millions of Americans in poverty and many homeless and all without HC, but our navy is 6 times the rest of the world. How cool!

It stems from a lesson learned in WW II.
If Midway would have went differently, the war would have been very different. Japan would have owned the seas for a decade. And surprise attacks on the U.S. western coast would have been unstoppable.
So... U.S. said never again.
If the United States did not have a super military, then someone else would have risen to power. Most of Europe would likely be speaking Russian. And perhaps Russia would also control middle eastern oil.

That’s absurd. Japan never had a chance against us.

The big fallacy regarding our supposed naval power is that much if not most of it is based on our aircraft carriers.

AirCraft carriers like our vaunted battleships prior to WW2 are obsolete.....China could wipe out all of them in a surprise attack aka Pearl Harbor using missles.

The only thing we really have going for us regarding our naval power are our nuclear submarines...they only come into play though if we decide to go nuclear....which would mean we have already lost anyhow....the only thing going nuclear would accomplish is massive destruction.

That is not to say our Nuclear capabilities are of no value....that value being if China believes we would actually use them...at this point I do not think they believe we would....but they are not absolutely sure....thus they will not risk nuclear war at this time.

Yet they are more than willing to engage in limited warfare knowing thereby they can humiliate America and weaken us....this is what we can expect in the short term.

If they are unable to take Taiwan by peaceful means aka Hong Kong they will initiate military action of a limited nature....thus drawing us into a limited military response....that is exactly what they want.

 

[bripat9643]

So true and they are kicking our ass in just about every economic endeavor. We are watching the USA Empire slowly die before our eyes, thanks to our rapacious oligarchs and the politicians they own. Not necessarily a bad thing. A warlike empire needs termination.

Excellent column by Fred Reed.
A Dolorous Imbalance


Now R supporters commence Xiden comments and D supporters Putin/Trump are lovers comments, just like little naughty second graders.

Prototype of China’s 385 mph maglev train

Pingtang Bridge, recently opened. Well over a thousand feet high



“An almost entirely automated port in China, during unload of a container ship. “

They also have 3 aircraft carriers under construction and two completed and in service.

Their first aircraft carrier has problems. If you don't at first succeed, try and try, again. A long journey begins with the first step.

The main problem with it is the fact that using the Ski ramp for take off means they can carry no appreciable weapons load and even require a reduced fuel load. As a result, their fighters are almost useless.