America Is Done Pretending About Meat

[buttercup]

There you go again. Where have I been hostile or hateful? Please link to it. I have simply said that it is great that you love your vegan lifestyle, more power to you. I love my culinary choices as well. The difference is your nonstop attempts to berate anyone whose choices don't agree with you.

You are more than welcome to use that same button if you can't tolerate my very civil disagreement with how you view my lifestyle and dietary choices.

Do you really want me to round up all your posts where you post in a hostile, hateful way? Look, it's not so much the words you use...it's more of the vibe I can feel from you that exudes every time you post on this topic to me.

That's why I typically don't post to you. Have you ever noticed that YOU're always the one to post to me first, not the other way around? I have been replying to you, hoping that you will finally debate the actual topic instead of always making this personal. But I don't post to you initially. This is the exact reason why Carl put you on ignore! Because you almost never debate the actual topic, you just make it personal.

So how about this. I don't care what you eat, I'm not the least bit interested in trying to change your mind on this topic because clearly you are not even remotely open to it and you don't want to hear it. Good. You can just stop posting to me and I'll stop posting to you. Deal? But it has to be a two-way street.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

"They", the ubiquitous anonymous authority.

Or, as we called them in the 70's..............."The Man".

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I always found it a bit silly that those who condemn those who eat meat, are always striving to make non-meat products look and taste like meat.

I always found it a bit silly that those who condemn vegans are always striving to make meat products look like vegetables

 

[whitehall]

How can Yahoo sources get to determine that government claims about processed food are "false" when nobody on the left including Yahoo dared to come out against the Biden/Fauci Covid jabs that killed healthy American kids? The argument ain't about health. It's about politics.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

setting was no accident: Kennedy has praised the fast-food chain for switching its cooking oil from seed oil, which he falsely claims causes illness,



oh no the unamed experts chimed in

yeah, World War 2 machinery lube and synthetic fuel bases..It's great for your internals...

trust the science

 

[Carl in Michigan]

setting was no accident: Kennedy has praised the fast-food chain for switching its cooking oil from seed oil, which he falsely claims causes illness,



oh no the unamed experts chimed in

yeah, World War 2 machinery lube and synthetic fuel bases..It's great for your internals...

trust the science

The common view of many, especially carnivores. I don't agree with him on this at all, but I haven't eaten deep fried foods in a long time. The Little oil I use is usually I've oil of coconut oil. Deep frying is always bad, no matter which fat you use

 

[egp320i]

Very nice essay..hit quite a few nails on the head. The gist of it is simple...for most of us, the plant-based diet was more about social compulsion and less about actual desire.

I used the Yahoo link to get around the Atlantic paywall.

America Is Done Pretending About Meat

Plant-based eating has lost its appeal.

www.yahoo.com

A few snippets..it's a longish essay:

Making America healthy again, it seems, starts with a double cheeseburger and fries. Earlier this month, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. visited a Steak ’n Shake in Florida and shared a meal with Fox News’s Sean Hannity. The setting was no accident: Kennedy has praised the fast-food chain for switching its cooking oil from seed oil, which he falsely claims causes illness, to beef tallow. “People are raving about these french fries,” Kennedy said after eating one, before commending other restaurants that fry with beef tallow: Popeyes, Buffalo Wild Wings, Outback Steakhouse.

To put it another way, if you order fries at Steak ’n Shake, cauliflower wings at Buffalo Wild Wings, or the Bloomin’ Onion at Outback, your food will be cooked in cow fat. For more than a decade, cutting down on meat and other animal products has been idealized as a healthier, more ethical way to eat. Guidelines such as “Eat Food. Not Too Much. Mostly Plants” may have disproportionately appealed to liberals in big cities, but the meat backlash has been unavoidable across the United States. The Obama administration passed a law to limit meat in school lunches; more recently, meat alternatives such as Impossible Burger and Beyond Meat have flooded grocery-store shelves, and fast-food giants are even serving them up in burgers and nuggets. It all heralded a future that seemed more tempeh than tomahawk steak: “Could this be the beginning of the end of meat?” wrote The New York Times in 2022.

Now the goal of eating less meat has lost its appeal. A convergence of cultural and nutritional shifts, supercharged by the return of the noted hamburger-lover President Donald Trump, has thrust meat back to the center of the American plate. It’s not just MAGA bros and MAHA moms who resist plant-based eating. A wide swath of the U.S. seems to be sending a clear message: Nobody should feel bad about eating meat.
Many people are relieved to hear it. Despite all of the attention on why people should eat less meat—climate change, health, animal welfare—Americans have kept consuming more and more of it. From 2014 to 2024, annual per capita meat consumption rose by nearly 28 pounds, the equivalent of roughly 100 chicken breasts. One way to make sense of this “meat paradox,” as the ethicist Peter Singer branded it in The Atlantic in 2023, is that there is a misalignment between how people want to eat and the way they actually do. The thought of suffering cows releasing methane bombs into the atmosphere pains me, but I love a medium-rare porterhouse.

and that is likely one factor in why chicken and beef are up in price yet pork actually is still reasonable, go figure

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Now the goal of eating less meat has lost its appeal.

 

[Woodznutz]

It is very strange to me that you repeatedly re-bring up the same debates that we've been over already, numerous times.

So here we go, AGAIN… Nowhere in the text does it say that God killed and skinned a lamb or any animal in Genesis 3. You are adding to the text. You are reading into it through your carnist, hunter-enthusiast, anthropoenctric lens.

There are a number of different interpretations for that passage.

But since the text simply does not state the origin of the “skin,” all the interpretations are speculative.

One interpretation of that passage is that it marks the transition of when humans went from immortal to mortal. (Death didn’t come into the world until sin did. In the beginning, God didn't originally create us to die.) And the speculation is that before that point we had a different type of body without the type of skin we have now.

Since the Hebrew word in that passage for skin (ôr) can refer to either human or animal skin, that interpretation, or something along those lines, is possible.

But even if we were to go by the mainstream Christian interpretation that it was an animal skin….. the part that you keep ignoring is that God doesn’t do things the same way you and I do. In the beginning, God spoke the world into existence. God is not some Joe-Schmo down the street, He is God Almighty. So He doesn’t have to butcher an innocent animal to provide clothing for Adam and Eve. Again, you're making that assumption because you’re looking at the text through your carnist, flesh-eating lens.

I don’t have time right now to go through all the interpretations of that passage, and since we’ve already been over this many times before, I’ll just say this.... The bottom line is, that passage simply does not say that God killed anything. And it is not only dishonest, it is very wrong for you to add to the text the way you do. In fact, the Bible specifically says to NOT add to the text. (Revelation 22:18)

We can come up with interpretations, of course! But don’t say that that’s what it says, because it simply doesn't. It’s your interpretation.

Based on the instructions for animal sacrifice for the atonement of sin that came later, and specifically lambs to represent Christ, I think it can be safely assumed that God set the pattern in the garden. I haven't added anything to the text. Expository studies and commentary are never added to the Biblical text.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

For the carnies who worry about plant feelings

 

[Woodznutz]

For the carnies who worry about plant feelings

Plants prefer Beethoven over the Beatles.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

you sure do show up on these threads all the time. But always in a very antagonistic, needlessly hostile way. Woodnutz might drive me crazy with his repetition, but at least he is civil most of the time. You've shown you just can't (or don't want to) be civil

Exactly what I noticed, which is why I have one on ignore and not the other

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Typical day debating most here

 

[Woodznutz]

Typical day debating most here

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A vegan composed that silly chart, not a non-vegan.

A meat eaters chart would look more like this.

 

[buttercup]

Typical day debating most here

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Seriously, I think that's the truest meme I've ever seen. Not even kidding!

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Seriously, I think that's the truest meme I've ever seen. Not even kidding!

They just keep recycling the same arguments over and over and over

 

[buttercup]

 

[Concerned American]

Typical day debating most here

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Wait a minute here. Aren't you one of the vegan's here crying that carnivores are mean and hostile? Then you post this ^^^ and claim it isn't hostile? SMH, the truth always comes out.

 

[buttercup]

 

[Concerned American]

Seriously, I think that's the truest meme I've ever seen. Not even kidding!

And not in the least hostile, eh? Time to take off the blinders.