America=Gay Marriage. Russia=Institute for Noble Maidens.

[Rikurzhen]

We're heading into a liberal sewer and Russia is trying to elevate it's society to a higher state:

The Russian Empire had a total of 12 Institutes for Noble Maidens in different cities, including far-off Siberia (Irkutsk), the Urals (Orenburg), and present-day eastern Ukraine (Kharkov).

Today, announcements recruiting girls for schools or preparatory courses for ‘noble maidens’ are becoming ever more commonplace. The largest such institution is the Ministry of Defense of Russia Boarding School for Girls, which was founded in 2008.

This establishment uses as its inspiration pre-revolutionary ‘institutes for noble maidens’, leaving the old terms of enrollment, list of subjects, and daily schedules intact.

“This type of school is adapted to the modern social environment. We don’t isolate the girls at all. We teach them things that are not taught in ordinary schools,” said Yelena Venediktova, director of studies at the Academy for Noble Maidens attached to the Novosibirsk Cadet Corps. Such subjects include homemaking, social practices (etiquette, behaviour and so on), and choreography; girls from the school dance the waltz together at balls with boys from the Cadet Corps.

In contrast with pre-revolutionary noble maidens, modern ‘noble maidens’ prefer to continue their education, usually in the humanities or in the military field.

This is the key difference: The girls not only leave the institute’s walls as cultured women and homemakers, but they can also compete with graduates from general schools for university admission.

​

Another article and a whole lot of photos here:

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Yet another article and some more photos here:

​

 

[TheOldSchool]

I thought that the Republican love affair with Russia ended a couple of weeks ago?

 

[ChrisL]

We're heading into a liberal sewer and Russia is trying to elevate it's society to a higher state:

The Russian Empire had a total of 12 Institutes for Noble Maidens in different cities, including far-off Siberia (Irkutsk), the Urals (Orenburg), and present-day eastern Ukraine (Kharkov).

Today, announcements recruiting girls for schools or preparatory courses for ‘noble maidens’ are becoming ever more commonplace. The largest such institution is the Ministry of Defense of Russia Boarding School for Girls, which was founded in 2008.

This establishment uses as its inspiration pre-revolutionary ‘institutes for noble maidens’, leaving the old terms of enrollment, list of subjects, and daily schedules intact.

“This type of school is adapted to the modern social environment. We don’t isolate the girls at all. We teach them things that are not taught in ordinary schools,” said Yelena Venediktova, director of studies at the Academy for Noble Maidens attached to the Novosibirsk Cadet Corps. Such subjects include homemaking, social practices (etiquette, behaviour and so on), and choreography; girls from the school dance the waltz together at balls with boys from the Cadet Corps.

In contrast with pre-revolutionary noble maidens, modern ‘noble maidens’ prefer to continue their education, usually in the humanities or in the military field.

This is the key difference: The girls not only leave the institute’s walls as cultured women and homemakers, but they can also compete with graduates from general schools for university admission.

​

Another article and a whole lot of photos here:

​

Yet another article and some more photos here:

​

We are a free country though. Don't you find it rather hypocritical for the government to tell people who they can and cannot marry? I have absolutely no issues with gay marriage. It doesn't effect me at all.

 

[Rikurzhen]

We're heading into a liberal sewer and Russia is trying to elevate it's society to a higher state:

The Russian Empire had a total of 12 Institutes for Noble Maidens in different cities, including far-off Siberia (Irkutsk), the Urals (Orenburg), and present-day eastern Ukraine (Kharkov).

Today, announcements recruiting girls for schools or preparatory courses for ‘noble maidens’ are becoming ever more commonplace. The largest such institution is the Ministry of Defense of Russia Boarding School for Girls, which was founded in 2008.

This establishment uses as its inspiration pre-revolutionary ‘institutes for noble maidens’, leaving the old terms of enrollment, list of subjects, and daily schedules intact.

“This type of school is adapted to the modern social environment. We don’t isolate the girls at all. We teach them things that are not taught in ordinary schools,” said Yelena Venediktova, director of studies at the Academy for Noble Maidens attached to the Novosibirsk Cadet Corps. Such subjects include homemaking, social practices (etiquette, behaviour and so on), and choreography; girls from the school dance the waltz together at balls with boys from the Cadet Corps.

In contrast with pre-revolutionary noble maidens, modern ‘noble maidens’ prefer to continue their education, usually in the humanities or in the military field.

This is the key difference: The girls not only leave the institute’s walls as cultured women and homemakers, but they can also compete with graduates from general schools for university admission.

​

Another article and a whole lot of photos here:

​

Yet another article and some more photos here:

​

We are a free country though. Don't you find it rather hypocritical for the government to tell people who they can and cannot marry? I have absolutely no issues with gay marriage. It doesn't effect me at all.

Cultural practices affect everyone. The Russian government isn't telling people who to marry.

 

[ChrisL]

We're heading into a liberal sewer and Russia is trying to elevate it's society to a higher state:

The Russian Empire had a total of 12 Institutes for Noble Maidens in different cities, including far-off Siberia (Irkutsk), the Urals (Orenburg), and present-day eastern Ukraine (Kharkov).

Today, announcements recruiting girls for schools or preparatory courses for ‘noble maidens’ are becoming ever more commonplace. The largest such institution is the Ministry of Defense of Russia Boarding School for Girls, which was founded in 2008.

This establishment uses as its inspiration pre-revolutionary ‘institutes for noble maidens’, leaving the old terms of enrollment, list of subjects, and daily schedules intact.

“This type of school is adapted to the modern social environment. We don’t isolate the girls at all. We teach them things that are not taught in ordinary schools,” said Yelena Venediktova, director of studies at the Academy for Noble Maidens attached to the Novosibirsk Cadet Corps. Such subjects include homemaking, social practices (etiquette, behaviour and so on), and choreography; girls from the school dance the waltz together at balls with boys from the Cadet Corps.

In contrast with pre-revolutionary noble maidens, modern ‘noble maidens’ prefer to continue their education, usually in the humanities or in the military field.

This is the key difference: The girls not only leave the institute’s walls as cultured women and homemakers, but they can also compete with graduates from general schools for university admission.

​

Another article and a whole lot of photos here:

​

Yet another article and some more photos here:

​

We are a free country though. Don't you find it rather hypocritical for the government to tell people who they can and cannot marry? I have absolutely no issues with gay marriage. It doesn't effect me at all.

Cultural practices affect everyone. The Russian government isn't telling people who to marry.

Russia is not America. We are supposed to be free people, and as long as it is 2 consenting adults, how does it affect you?

 

[bodecea]

The Russian love affair continues for the Right.

 

[ChrisL]

Noble maidens? For real?

 

[Rikurzhen]

We're heading into a liberal sewer and Russia is trying to elevate it's society to a higher state:

The Russian Empire had a total of 12 Institutes for Noble Maidens in different cities, including far-off Siberia (Irkutsk), the Urals (Orenburg), and present-day eastern Ukraine (Kharkov).

Today, announcements recruiting girls for schools or preparatory courses for ‘noble maidens’ are becoming ever more commonplace. The largest such institution is the Ministry of Defense of Russia Boarding School for Girls, which was founded in 2008.

This establishment uses as its inspiration pre-revolutionary ‘institutes for noble maidens’, leaving the old terms of enrollment, list of subjects, and daily schedules intact.

“This type of school is adapted to the modern social environment. We don’t isolate the girls at all. We teach them things that are not taught in ordinary schools,” said Yelena Venediktova, director of studies at the Academy for Noble Maidens attached to the Novosibirsk Cadet Corps. Such subjects include homemaking, social practices (etiquette, behaviour and so on), and choreography; girls from the school dance the waltz together at balls with boys from the Cadet Corps.

In contrast with pre-revolutionary noble maidens, modern ‘noble maidens’ prefer to continue their education, usually in the humanities or in the military field.

This is the key difference: The girls not only leave the institute’s walls as cultured women and homemakers, but they can also compete with graduates from general schools for university admission.

​

Another article and a whole lot of photos here:

​

Yet another article and some more photos here:

​

We are a free country though. Don't you find it rather hypocritical for the government to tell people who they can and cannot marry? I have absolutely no issues with gay marriage. It doesn't effect me at all.

Cultural practices affect everyone. The Russian government isn't telling people who to marry.

Russia is not America. We are supposed to be free people, and as long as it is 2 consenting adults, how does it affect you?

Back in the era of restricted abortion and before birth control pills, premarital sex occurred far less often than it does today. When the culture encouraged women to be chaste, then women could resist pressure for sex from their boyfriends. A boyfriend could threaten to dump the girl for another but he'd likely be blocked with his new girlfriend too.

Later, as times changed, and premarital sex became slightly more acceptable, the boyfriend's threat of leaving the girl to seek another presented him with a viable option - he might find a girl who would put out. As more girls put out, more boys do dump their virgin girlfriends. The premarital sex which goes on between other couples MOST CERTAINLY AFFECTED what transpired in the relationships of women who didn't want to engage in premarital sex.

The same dynamic is taking place today on college campuses with the hook-up scene. Girls feel pressured to have sex with a guy they like because if they don't he'll just move on in the 60% women college scene and find himself a girl who will put out.

Homosexual "couples" who get "married" no longer bother with the pretense of fidelity, they're mainstreaming open relationships. The unique "marital" culture of homosexuals doesn't translate well to heterosexual couples but the same body of laws has to manage normal marriage and homosexual "marriage" and what is coming are modifications to law to accommodate the homosexual version of "marriage."

We see similar legal reform in relationships up in Canada. Liberals and feminists have made marriage so toxic for men, and the sexual revolution has changed people's viewpoints with respect to the connection of sex and marriage, that the marriage rate is way down and the cohabitation rate is way up. Women lose the advantages of marriage and get the short end of the stick, so the Government of British Columbia changed the law and made it so couples who live together for two years are automatically considered common-law married. That sure qualifies as the "What other people are doing affecting you" scenario.

Anyways, I'm not going to respond further because this thread isn't supposed to be about the homosexual "marriage" fungus which affects all damn topics, it's supposed to be about Russian efforts to develop "Noble Maidens."

 

[ChrisL]

We're heading into a liberal sewer and Russia is trying to elevate it's society to a higher state:

The Russian Empire had a total of 12 Institutes for Noble Maidens in different cities, including far-off Siberia (Irkutsk), the Urals (Orenburg), and present-day eastern Ukraine (Kharkov).

Today, announcements recruiting girls for schools or preparatory courses for ‘noble maidens’ are becoming ever more commonplace. The largest such institution is the Ministry of Defense of Russia Boarding School for Girls, which was founded in 2008.

This establishment uses as its inspiration pre-revolutionary ‘institutes for noble maidens’, leaving the old terms of enrollment, list of subjects, and daily schedules intact.

“This type of school is adapted to the modern social environment. We don’t isolate the girls at all. We teach them things that are not taught in ordinary schools,” said Yelena Venediktova, director of studies at the Academy for Noble Maidens attached to the Novosibirsk Cadet Corps. Such subjects include homemaking, social practices (etiquette, behaviour and so on), and choreography; girls from the school dance the waltz together at balls with boys from the Cadet Corps.

In contrast with pre-revolutionary noble maidens, modern ‘noble maidens’ prefer to continue their education, usually in the humanities or in the military field.

This is the key difference: The girls not only leave the institute’s walls as cultured women and homemakers, but they can also compete with graduates from general schools for university admission.

​

Another article and a whole lot of photos here:

​

Yet another article and some more photos here:

​

We are a free country though. Don't you find it rather hypocritical for the government to tell people who they can and cannot marry? I have absolutely no issues with gay marriage. It doesn't effect me at all.

Cultural practices affect everyone. The Russian government isn't telling people who to marry.

Russia is not America. We are supposed to be free people, and as long as it is 2 consenting adults, how does it affect you?

Back in the era of restricted abortion and before birth control pills, premarital sex occurred far less often than it does today. When the culture encouraged women to be chaste, then women could resist pressure for sex from their boyfriends. A boyfriend could threaten to dump the girl for another but he'd likely be blocked with his new girlfriend too.

Later, as times changed, and premarital sex became slightly more acceptable, the boyfriend's threat of leaving the girl to seek another presented him with a viable option - he might find a girl who would put out. As more girls put out, more boys do dump their virgin girlfriends. The premarital sex which goes on between other couples MOST CERTAINLY AFFECTED what transpired in the relationships of women who didn't want to engage in premarital sex.

The same dynamic is taking place today on college campuses with the hook-up scene. Girls feel pressured to have sex with a guy they like because if they don't he'll just move on in the 60% women college scene and find himself a girl who will put out.

Homosexual "couples" who get "married" no longer bother with the pretense of fidelity, they're mainstreaming open relationships. The unique "marital" culture of homosexuals doesn't translate well to heterosexual couples but the same body of laws has to manage normal marriage and homosexual "marriage" and what is coming are modifications to law to accommodate the homosexual version of "marriage."

We see similar legal reform in relationships up in Canada. Liberals and feminists have made marriage so toxic for men, and the sexual revolution has changed people's viewpoints with respect to the connection of sex and marriage, that the marriage rate is way down and the cohabitation rate is way up. Women lose the advantages of marriage and get the short end of the stick, so the Government of British Columbia changed the law and made it so couples who live together for two years are automatically considered common-law married. That sure qualifies as the "What other people are doing affecting you" scenario.

Anyways, I'm not going to respond further because this thread isn't supposed to be about the homosexual "marriage" fungus which affects all damn topics, it's supposed to be about Russian efforts to develop "Noble Maidens."

How do you know they're weren't and aren't having sex? Lol! Do you think that women don't WANT to have sex? That they are always pressured into it? And why don't you hold men to the same standards? Where are all the "noble men?"

 

[Rikurzhen]

We're heading into a liberal sewer and Russia is trying to elevate it's society to a higher state:

The Russian Empire had a total of 12 Institutes for Noble Maidens in different cities, including far-off Siberia (Irkutsk), the Urals (Orenburg), and present-day eastern Ukraine (Kharkov).

Today, announcements recruiting girls for schools or preparatory courses for ‘noble maidens’ are becoming ever more commonplace. The largest such institution is the Ministry of Defense of Russia Boarding School for Girls, which was founded in 2008.

This establishment uses as its inspiration pre-revolutionary ‘institutes for noble maidens’, leaving the old terms of enrollment, list of subjects, and daily schedules intact.

“This type of school is adapted to the modern social environment. We don’t isolate the girls at all. We teach them things that are not taught in ordinary schools,” said Yelena Venediktova, director of studies at the Academy for Noble Maidens attached to the Novosibirsk Cadet Corps. Such subjects include homemaking, social practices (etiquette, behaviour and so on), and choreography; girls from the school dance the waltz together at balls with boys from the Cadet Corps.

In contrast with pre-revolutionary noble maidens, modern ‘noble maidens’ prefer to continue their education, usually in the humanities or in the military field.

This is the key difference: The girls not only leave the institute’s walls as cultured women and homemakers, but they can also compete with graduates from general schools for university admission.

​

Another article and a whole lot of photos here:

​

Yet another article and some more photos here:

​

We are a free country though. Don't you find it rather hypocritical for the government to tell people who they can and cannot marry? I have absolutely no issues with gay marriage. It doesn't effect me at all.

Cultural practices affect everyone. The Russian government isn't telling people who to marry.

Russia is not America. We are supposed to be free people, and as long as it is 2 consenting adults, how does it affect you?

Back in the era of restricted abortion and before birth control pills, premarital sex occurred far less often than it does today. When the culture encouraged women to be chaste, then women could resist pressure for sex from their boyfriends. A boyfriend could threaten to dump the girl for another but he'd likely be blocked with his new girlfriend too.

Later, as times changed, and premarital sex became slightly more acceptable, the boyfriend's threat of leaving the girl to seek another presented him with a viable option - he might find a girl who would put out. As more girls put out, more boys do dump their virgin girlfriends. The premarital sex which goes on between other couples MOST CERTAINLY AFFECTED what transpired in the relationships of women who didn't want to engage in premarital sex.

The same dynamic is taking place today on college campuses with the hook-up scene. Girls feel pressured to have sex with a guy they like because if they don't he'll just move on in the 60% women college scene and find himself a girl who will put out.

Homosexual "couples" who get "married" no longer bother with the pretense of fidelity, they're mainstreaming open relationships. The unique "marital" culture of homosexuals doesn't translate well to heterosexual couples but the same body of laws has to manage normal marriage and homosexual "marriage" and what is coming are modifications to law to accommodate the homosexual version of "marriage."

We see similar legal reform in relationships up in Canada. Liberals and feminists have made marriage so toxic for men, and the sexual revolution has changed people's viewpoints with respect to the connection of sex and marriage, that the marriage rate is way down and the cohabitation rate is way up. Women lose the advantages of marriage and get the short end of the stick, so the Government of British Columbia changed the law and made it so couples who live together for two years are automatically considered common-law married. That sure qualifies as the "What other people are doing affecting you" scenario.

Anyways, I'm not going to respond further because this thread isn't supposed to be about the homosexual "marriage" fungus which affects all damn topics, it's supposed to be about Russian efforts to develop "Noble Maidens."

How do you know they're weren't and aren't having sex? Lol! Do you think that women don't WANT to have sex? That they are always pressured into it? And why don't you hold men to the same standards? Where are all the "noble men?"

Of course women want to have sex. The consequences which flowed from giving in to their desire were more serious back in the day. Does that have to be explained to you?

Look at what is going on with these campus sex codes recently. Men on campuses aren't being emotionally victimized by having lots of sex with young women, it's the young women who are dealing with the scars. Their grandmothers weren't dealing with these issues and emotions. Instead of going back to the sexual mores of an earlier time, these campus codes are trying to create fewer female victims who suffer from emotional trauma arising from having sex when they're not ready to but they do this by criminalizing the men. It's a cockamamie scheme.

From my experience talking with young college-age women, and even high school girls, they do find the notion of "going on dates" and "going steady" to be appealing but those cultural behaviors are dead and buried.

Clearly, what other people do has effects on some young women who don't really want to do what others are doing.

I don't hold men to the same standards because men are different from women. I hold them to different standards on a whole range of issues and behaviors.

 

[ChrisL]

We are a free country though. Don't you find it rather hypocritical for the government to tell people who they can and cannot marry? I have absolutely no issues with gay marriage. It doesn't effect me at all.

Cultural practices affect everyone. The Russian government isn't telling people who to marry.

Russia is not America. We are supposed to be free people, and as long as it is 2 consenting adults, how does it affect you?

Back in the era of restricted abortion and before birth control pills, premarital sex occurred far less often than it does today. When the culture encouraged women to be chaste, then women could resist pressure for sex from their boyfriends. A boyfriend could threaten to dump the girl for another but he'd likely be blocked with his new girlfriend too.

Later, as times changed, and premarital sex became slightly more acceptable, the boyfriend's threat of leaving the girl to seek another presented him with a viable option - he might find a girl who would put out. As more girls put out, more boys do dump their virgin girlfriends. The premarital sex which goes on between other couples MOST CERTAINLY AFFECTED what transpired in the relationships of women who didn't want to engage in premarital sex.

The same dynamic is taking place today on college campuses with the hook-up scene. Girls feel pressured to have sex with a guy they like because if they don't he'll just move on in the 60% women college scene and find himself a girl who will put out.

Homosexual "couples" who get "married" no longer bother with the pretense of fidelity, they're mainstreaming open relationships. The unique "marital" culture of homosexuals doesn't translate well to heterosexual couples but the same body of laws has to manage normal marriage and homosexual "marriage" and what is coming are modifications to law to accommodate the homosexual version of "marriage."

We see similar legal reform in relationships up in Canada. Liberals and feminists have made marriage so toxic for men, and the sexual revolution has changed people's viewpoints with respect to the connection of sex and marriage, that the marriage rate is way down and the cohabitation rate is way up. Women lose the advantages of marriage and get the short end of the stick, so the Government of British Columbia changed the law and made it so couples who live together for two years are automatically considered common-law married. That sure qualifies as the "What other people are doing affecting you" scenario.

Anyways, I'm not going to respond further because this thread isn't supposed to be about the homosexual "marriage" fungus which affects all damn topics, it's supposed to be about Russian efforts to develop "Noble Maidens."

How do you know they're weren't and aren't having sex? Lol! Do you think that women don't WANT to have sex? That they are always pressured into it? And why don't you hold men to the same standards? Where are all the "noble men?"

Of course women want to have sex. The consequences which flowed from giving in to their desire were more serious back in the day. Does that have to be explained to you?

Look at what is going on with these campus sex codes recently. Men on campuses aren't being emotionally victimized by having lots of sex with young women, it's the young women who are dealing with the scars. Their grandmothers weren't dealing with these issues and emotions. Instead of going back to the sexual mores of an earlier time, these campus codes are trying to create fewer female victims who suffer from emotional trauma arising from having sex when they're not ready to but they do this by criminalizing the men. It's a cockamamie scheme.

From my experience talking with young college-age women, and even high school girls, they do find the notion of "going on dates" and "going steady" to be appealing but those cultural behaviors are dead and buried.

Clearly, what other people do has effects on some young women who don't really want to do what others are doing.

I don't hold men to the same standards because men are different from women. I hold them to different standards on a whole range of issues and behaviors.

On college campuses, the issues have more to do with alcohol and partying than actual sex. MOST of those girls would probably not be sleeping around if they weren't drunk.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Cultural practices affect everyone. The Russian government isn't telling people who to marry.

Russia is not America. We are supposed to be free people, and as long as it is 2 consenting adults, how does it affect you?

Back in the era of restricted abortion and before birth control pills, premarital sex occurred far less often than it does today. When the culture encouraged women to be chaste, then women could resist pressure for sex from their boyfriends. A boyfriend could threaten to dump the girl for another but he'd likely be blocked with his new girlfriend too.

Later, as times changed, and premarital sex became slightly more acceptable, the boyfriend's threat of leaving the girl to seek another presented him with a viable option - he might find a girl who would put out. As more girls put out, more boys do dump their virgin girlfriends. The premarital sex which goes on between other couples MOST CERTAINLY AFFECTED what transpired in the relationships of women who didn't want to engage in premarital sex.

The same dynamic is taking place today on college campuses with the hook-up scene. Girls feel pressured to have sex with a guy they like because if they don't he'll just move on in the 60% women college scene and find himself a girl who will put out.

Homosexual "couples" who get "married" no longer bother with the pretense of fidelity, they're mainstreaming open relationships. The unique "marital" culture of homosexuals doesn't translate well to heterosexual couples but the same body of laws has to manage normal marriage and homosexual "marriage" and what is coming are modifications to law to accommodate the homosexual version of "marriage."

We see similar legal reform in relationships up in Canada. Liberals and feminists have made marriage so toxic for men, and the sexual revolution has changed people's viewpoints with respect to the connection of sex and marriage, that the marriage rate is way down and the cohabitation rate is way up. Women lose the advantages of marriage and get the short end of the stick, so the Government of British Columbia changed the law and made it so couples who live together for two years are automatically considered common-law married. That sure qualifies as the "What other people are doing affecting you" scenario.

Anyways, I'm not going to respond further because this thread isn't supposed to be about the homosexual "marriage" fungus which affects all damn topics, it's supposed to be about Russian efforts to develop "Noble Maidens."

How do you know they're weren't and aren't having sex? Lol! Do you think that women don't WANT to have sex? That they are always pressured into it? And why don't you hold men to the same standards? Where are all the "noble men?"

Of course women want to have sex. The consequences which flowed from giving in to their desire were more serious back in the day. Does that have to be explained to you?

Look at what is going on with these campus sex codes recently. Men on campuses aren't being emotionally victimized by having lots of sex with young women, it's the young women who are dealing with the scars. Their grandmothers weren't dealing with these issues and emotions. Instead of going back to the sexual mores of an earlier time, these campus codes are trying to create fewer female victims who suffer from emotional trauma arising from having sex when they're not ready to but they do this by criminalizing the men. It's a cockamamie scheme.

From my experience talking with young college-age women, and even high school girls, they do find the notion of "going on dates" and "going steady" to be appealing but those cultural behaviors are dead and buried.

Clearly, what other people do has effects on some young women who don't really want to do what others are doing.

I don't hold men to the same standards because men are different from women. I hold them to different standards on a whole range of issues and behaviors.

On college campuses, the issues have more to do with alcohol and partying than actual sex. MOST of those girls would probably not be sleeping around if they weren't drunk.

These girls are no different than most single adult men and women, they drink to lower their inhibitions. They are not surprised the next morning that they had sex the night before. They knew very well that they were out hunting boys and that sex was a possibility. They drink so that they feel less restrained in the entire sexual bargaining dance.

 

[ChrisL]

Russia is not America. We are supposed to be free people, and as long as it is 2 consenting adults, how does it affect you?

Back in the era of restricted abortion and before birth control pills, premarital sex occurred far less often than it does today. When the culture encouraged women to be chaste, then women could resist pressure for sex from their boyfriends. A boyfriend could threaten to dump the girl for another but he'd likely be blocked with his new girlfriend too.

Later, as times changed, and premarital sex became slightly more acceptable, the boyfriend's threat of leaving the girl to seek another presented him with a viable option - he might find a girl who would put out. As more girls put out, more boys do dump their virgin girlfriends. The premarital sex which goes on between other couples MOST CERTAINLY AFFECTED what transpired in the relationships of women who didn't want to engage in premarital sex.

The same dynamic is taking place today on college campuses with the hook-up scene. Girls feel pressured to have sex with a guy they like because if they don't he'll just move on in the 60% women college scene and find himself a girl who will put out.

Homosexual "couples" who get "married" no longer bother with the pretense of fidelity, they're mainstreaming open relationships. The unique "marital" culture of homosexuals doesn't translate well to heterosexual couples but the same body of laws has to manage normal marriage and homosexual "marriage" and what is coming are modifications to law to accommodate the homosexual version of "marriage."

We see similar legal reform in relationships up in Canada. Liberals and feminists have made marriage so toxic for men, and the sexual revolution has changed people's viewpoints with respect to the connection of sex and marriage, that the marriage rate is way down and the cohabitation rate is way up. Women lose the advantages of marriage and get the short end of the stick, so the Government of British Columbia changed the law and made it so couples who live together for two years are automatically considered common-law married. That sure qualifies as the "What other people are doing affecting you" scenario.

Anyways, I'm not going to respond further because this thread isn't supposed to be about the homosexual "marriage" fungus which affects all damn topics, it's supposed to be about Russian efforts to develop "Noble Maidens."

How do you know they're weren't and aren't having sex? Lol! Do you think that women don't WANT to have sex? That they are always pressured into it? And why don't you hold men to the same standards? Where are all the "noble men?"

Of course women want to have sex. The consequences which flowed from giving in to their desire were more serious back in the day. Does that have to be explained to you?

Look at what is going on with these campus sex codes recently. Men on campuses aren't being emotionally victimized by having lots of sex with young women, it's the young women who are dealing with the scars. Their grandmothers weren't dealing with these issues and emotions. Instead of going back to the sexual mores of an earlier time, these campus codes are trying to create fewer female victims who suffer from emotional trauma arising from having sex when they're not ready to but they do this by criminalizing the men. It's a cockamamie scheme.

From my experience talking with young college-age women, and even high school girls, they do find the notion of "going on dates" and "going steady" to be appealing but those cultural behaviors are dead and buried.

Clearly, what other people do has effects on some young women who don't really want to do what others are doing.

I don't hold men to the same standards because men are different from women. I hold them to different standards on a whole range of issues and behaviors.

On college campuses, the issues have more to do with alcohol and partying than actual sex. MOST of those girls would probably not be sleeping around if they weren't drunk.

These girls are no different than most single adult men and women, they drink to lower their inhibitions. They are not surprised the next morning that they had sex the night before. They knew very well that they were out hunting boys and that sex was a possibility. They drink so that they feel less restrained in the entire sexual bargaining dance.

That's exactly what I said. They would not be behaving in such a manner if weren't for alcohol and drugs.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Back in the era of restricted abortion and before birth control pills, premarital sex occurred far less often than it does today. When the culture encouraged women to be chaste, then women could resist pressure for sex from their boyfriends. A boyfriend could threaten to dump the girl for another but he'd likely be blocked with his new girlfriend too.

Later, as times changed, and premarital sex became slightly more acceptable, the boyfriend's threat of leaving the girl to seek another presented him with a viable option - he might find a girl who would put out. As more girls put out, more boys do dump their virgin girlfriends. The premarital sex which goes on between other couples MOST CERTAINLY AFFECTED what transpired in the relationships of women who didn't want to engage in premarital sex.

The same dynamic is taking place today on college campuses with the hook-up scene. Girls feel pressured to have sex with a guy they like because if they don't he'll just move on in the 60% women college scene and find himself a girl who will put out.

Homosexual "couples" who get "married" no longer bother with the pretense of fidelity, they're mainstreaming open relationships. The unique "marital" culture of homosexuals doesn't translate well to heterosexual couples but the same body of laws has to manage normal marriage and homosexual "marriage" and what is coming are modifications to law to accommodate the homosexual version of "marriage."

We see similar legal reform in relationships up in Canada. Liberals and feminists have made marriage so toxic for men, and the sexual revolution has changed people's viewpoints with respect to the connection of sex and marriage, that the marriage rate is way down and the cohabitation rate is way up. Women lose the advantages of marriage and get the short end of the stick, so the Government of British Columbia changed the law and made it so couples who live together for two years are automatically considered common-law married. That sure qualifies as the "What other people are doing affecting you" scenario.

Anyways, I'm not going to respond further because this thread isn't supposed to be about the homosexual "marriage" fungus which affects all damn topics, it's supposed to be about Russian efforts to develop "Noble Maidens."

How do you know they're weren't and aren't having sex? Lol! Do you think that women don't WANT to have sex? That they are always pressured into it? And why don't you hold men to the same standards? Where are all the "noble men?"

Of course women want to have sex. The consequences which flowed from giving in to their desire were more serious back in the day. Does that have to be explained to you?

Look at what is going on with these campus sex codes recently. Men on campuses aren't being emotionally victimized by having lots of sex with young women, it's the young women who are dealing with the scars. Their grandmothers weren't dealing with these issues and emotions. Instead of going back to the sexual mores of an earlier time, these campus codes are trying to create fewer female victims who suffer from emotional trauma arising from having sex when they're not ready to but they do this by criminalizing the men. It's a cockamamie scheme.

From my experience talking with young college-age women, and even high school girls, they do find the notion of "going on dates" and "going steady" to be appealing but those cultural behaviors are dead and buried.

Clearly, what other people do has effects on some young women who don't really want to do what others are doing.

I don't hold men to the same standards because men are different from women. I hold them to different standards on a whole range of issues and behaviors.

On college campuses, the issues have more to do with alcohol and partying than actual sex. MOST of those girls would probably not be sleeping around if they weren't drunk.

These girls are no different than most single adult men and women, they drink to lower their inhibitions. They are not surprised the next morning that they had sex the night before. They knew very well that they were out hunting boys and that sex was a possibility. They drink so that they feel less restrained in the entire sexual bargaining dance.

That's exactly what I said. They would not be behaving in such a manner if weren't for alcohol and drugs.

No one is forcing college girls to drink. They choose to get drunk. They go to parties willingly and that's because of the cultural change. Even in high school we see more group dates and rarely ever see single dates, where Archie asks Betty to go to the movies for a first date.

 

[ChrisL]

How do you know they're weren't and aren't having sex? Lol! Do you think that women don't WANT to have sex? That they are always pressured into it? And why don't you hold men to the same standards? Where are all the "noble men?"

Of course women want to have sex. The consequences which flowed from giving in to their desire were more serious back in the day. Does that have to be explained to you?

Look at what is going on with these campus sex codes recently. Men on campuses aren't being emotionally victimized by having lots of sex with young women, it's the young women who are dealing with the scars. Their grandmothers weren't dealing with these issues and emotions. Instead of going back to the sexual mores of an earlier time, these campus codes are trying to create fewer female victims who suffer from emotional trauma arising from having sex when they're not ready to but they do this by criminalizing the men. It's a cockamamie scheme.

From my experience talking with young college-age women, and even high school girls, they do find the notion of "going on dates" and "going steady" to be appealing but those cultural behaviors are dead and buried.

Clearly, what other people do has effects on some young women who don't really want to do what others are doing.

I don't hold men to the same standards because men are different from women. I hold them to different standards on a whole range of issues and behaviors.

On college campuses, the issues have more to do with alcohol and partying than actual sex. MOST of those girls would probably not be sleeping around if they weren't drunk.

These girls are no different than most single adult men and women, they drink to lower their inhibitions. They are not surprised the next morning that they had sex the night before. They knew very well that they were out hunting boys and that sex was a possibility. They drink so that they feel less restrained in the entire sexual bargaining dance.

That's exactly what I said. They would not be behaving in such a manner if weren't for alcohol and drugs.

No one is forcing college girls to drink. They choose to get drunk. They go to parties willingly and that's because of the cultural change. Even in high school we see more group dates and rarely ever see single dates, where Archie asks Betty to go to the movies for a first date.

I didn't say anyone was forcing them. I said that alcohol and drugs loosen inhibitions and that is the biggest reason why college aged women are doing some of these things. But yes, you have a point that it's more acceptable in society to be a drunk and easy, but I'm sure that people have always had premarital sex.

You are comparing one extreme to another though. There is a "middle ground" in there between virginal and whorish.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I didn't say anyone was forcing them.

I just wanted to be sure that you, or others who may be following along, didn't presume men were spiking drinks.

I said that alcohol and drugs loosen inhibitions and that is the biggest reason why college aged women are doing some of these things.

We're in agreement.

But yes, you have a point that it's more acceptable in society to be a drunk and easy, but I'm sure that people have always had premarital sex.

It's more acceptable because liberals have transformed the culture so that the libertine ideals are no longer scorned. They had a vision of how society and sexual relations SHOULD BE, unfortunately human sexual behavioral natures didn't get the memo. Free, cheap, easy sex is far more difficult for women to live with than it is for men. Think about who the enforcers of the chaste moral code were back in the day? IT was women who shunned the sluts in their midst for the sluts were rightly seen as a threat to female control of sexuality. If too many women were easily available to men, then a woman no longer had as much control in the timing of the sexual evolution occurring in their relationships.

Women seem to want that control back but they don't want to police themselves and so instead they're trying to criminalize men after the fact, after a sexual encounter which doesn't playout or develop along their expectations. This is what happens when society trusts liberals and feminists who claim that jumping off the cliff will result in a soft landing because humans can fly. Oops, humans can't fly and those liberal and feminist promises of a better way were just hollow promises.

You are comparing one extreme to another though. There is a "middle ground" in there between virginal and whorish.

The problem is that a middle ground is unstable - there are no mechanisms to keep the cultural practices from going to the lowest common denominator. That's PRECISELY how we got here today.

The old system of dates and going steady suited women's desires quite well. Group dates, friends with benefits, and the hook-up scene don't, they actually suit male interests better. More sex, less commitment, less ego threat. The problem is that the payoffs and harms from both models aren't equally proportional. Men dealt better with the frustration of the older system than women deal with the consequences of the present system.

 

[Cassandro]

To put it another way, "Liberals" view social mores and family structures as obstacles to their ideal of a state-sponsored utopia. Not that I trust the Russian version, either. Both involve top-down attempts to circumscribe individual liberties.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I thought that the Republican love affair with Russia ended a couple of weeks ago?

Uh ya. 'Institutes for Noble Maidens' what could possibly go wrong? Not like it's a haven for sexual exploitation or shows up all over the pornweb or anything. ...Oh wait.

 

[ChrisL]

We're heading into a liberal sewer and Russia is trying to elevate it's society to a higher state:

The Russian Empire had a total of 12 Institutes for Noble Maidens in different cities, including far-off Siberia (Irkutsk), the Urals (Orenburg), and present-day eastern Ukraine (Kharkov).

Today, announcements recruiting girls for schools or preparatory courses for ‘noble maidens’ are becoming ever more commonplace. The largest such institution is the Ministry of Defense of Russia Boarding School for Girls, which was founded in 2008.

This establishment uses as its inspiration pre-revolutionary ‘institutes for noble maidens’, leaving the old terms of enrollment, list of subjects, and daily schedules intact.

“This type of school is adapted to the modern social environment. We don’t isolate the girls at all. We teach them things that are not taught in ordinary schools,” said Yelena Venediktova, director of studies at the Academy for Noble Maidens attached to the Novosibirsk Cadet Corps. Such subjects include homemaking, social practices (etiquette, behaviour and so on), and choreography; girls from the school dance the waltz together at balls with boys from the Cadet Corps.

In contrast with pre-revolutionary noble maidens, modern ‘noble maidens’ prefer to continue their education, usually in the humanities or in the military field.

This is the key difference: The girls not only leave the institute’s walls as cultured women and homemakers, but they can also compete with graduates from general schools for university admission.

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Another article and a whole lot of photos here:

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Yet another article and some more photos here:

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We are a free country though. Don't you find it rather hypocritical for the government to tell people who they can and cannot marry? I have absolutely no issues with gay marriage. It doesn't effect me at all.

Cultural practices affect everyone. The Russian government isn't telling people who to marry.

Russia is not America. We are supposed to be free people, and as long as it is 2 consenting adults, how does it affect you?

Back in the era of restricted abortion and before birth control pills, premarital sex occurred far less often than it does today. When the culture encouraged women to be chaste, then women could resist pressure for sex from their boyfriends. A boyfriend could threaten to dump the girl for another but he'd likely be blocked with his new girlfriend too.

Later, as times changed, and premarital sex became slightly more acceptable, the boyfriend's threat of leaving the girl to seek another presented him with a viable option - he might find a girl who would put out. As more girls put out, more boys do dump their virgin girlfriends. The premarital sex which goes on between other couples MOST CERTAINLY AFFECTED what transpired in the relationships of women who didn't want to engage in premarital sex.

The same dynamic is taking place today on college campuses with the hook-up scene. Girls feel pressured to have sex with a guy they like because if they don't he'll just move on in the 60% women college scene and find himself a girl who will put out.

Homosexual "couples" who get "married" no longer bother with the pretense of fidelity, they're mainstreaming open relationships. The unique "marital" culture of homosexuals doesn't translate well to heterosexual couples but the same body of laws has to manage normal marriage and homosexual "marriage" and what is coming are modifications to law to accommodate the homosexual version of "marriage."

We see similar legal reform in relationships up in Canada. Liberals and feminists have made marriage so toxic for men, and the sexual revolution has changed people's viewpoints with respect to the connection of sex and marriage, that the marriage rate is way down and the cohabitation rate is way up. Women lose the advantages of marriage and get the short end of the stick, so the Government of British Columbia changed the law and made it so couples who live together for two years are automatically considered common-law married. That sure qualifies as the "What other people are doing affecting you" scenario.

Anyways, I'm not going to respond further because this thread isn't supposed to be about the homosexual "marriage" fungus which affects all damn topics, it's supposed to be about Russian efforts to develop "Noble Maidens."

Hey, I just noticed that you included the term "gay marriage" in your thread title, but then you tell me the thread isn't supposed to be about gay marriage? Hmm. Then why include it in your thread title?

 

[ChrisL]

I didn't say anyone was forcing them.

I just wanted to be sure that you, or others who may be following along, didn't presume men were spiking drinks.

I said that alcohol and drugs loosen inhibitions and that is the biggest reason why college aged women are doing some of these things.

We're in agreement.

But yes, you have a point that it's more acceptable in society to be a drunk and easy, but I'm sure that people have always had premarital sex.

It's more acceptable because liberals have transformed the culture so that the libertine ideals are no longer scorned. They had a vision of how society and sexual relations SHOULD BE, unfortunately human sexual behavioral natures didn't get the memo. Free, cheap, easy sex is far more difficult for women to live with than it is for men. Think about who the enforcers of the chaste moral code were back in the day? IT was women who shunned the sluts in their midst for the sluts were rightly seen as a threat to female control of sexuality. If too many women were easily available to men, then a woman no longer had as much control in the timing of the sexual evolution occurring in their relationships.

Women seem to want that control back but they don't want to police themselves and so instead they're trying to criminalize men after the fact, after a sexual encounter which doesn't playout or develop along their expectations. This is what happens when society trusts liberals and feminists who claim that jumping off the cliff will result in a soft landing because humans can fly. Oops, humans can't fly and those liberal and feminist promises of a better way were just hollow promises.

You are comparing one extreme to another though. There is a "middle ground" in there between virginal and whorish.

The problem is that a middle ground is unstable - there are no mechanisms to keep the cultural practices from going to the lowest common denominator. That's PRECISELY how we got here today.

The old system of dates and going steady suited women's desires quite well. Group dates, friends with benefits, and the hook-up scene don't, they actually suit male interests better. More sex, less commitment, less ego threat. The problem is that the payoffs and harms from both models aren't equally proportional. Men dealt better with the frustration of the older system than women deal with the consequences of the present system.

Okay, so what is your suggestion?