Almost half of Americans work in low paid jobs

[Andylusion]

At times liberals demand that American companies pay everyone a “living wage”

Then at other times they complain that American workers get paid more than the chinese

Nobody is complaining that American workers get paid more than the Chinese, they are just stating the facts of the matter.

No, that is not true. There are many many many left-wingers that complain about companies overseas, paying their employees less.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

At times liberals demand that American companies pay everyone a “living wage”

Then at other times they complain that American workers get paid more than the chinese

Nobody is complaining that American workers get paid more than the Chinese, they are just stating the facts of the matter.

No, that is not true. There are many many many left-wingers that complain about companies overseas, paying their employees less.

But they are not complaining that American workers get paid more than the Chinese.

 

[francoHFW]

Of course as a GOP dupe, you don't know what sanctuary cities are about. They are protecting the innocent victims of the criminals so they can testify without being deported and yes they do deport the assholes. you are absolutely clueless.

They are protecting illegal alien criminals including murderers and rapists

In super dupe World Maybe....actually they are protecting the witnesses against them. Do you need a diagram? LOL

That is complete and utter nonsense

dems are turning illegal alien rapists and murderers back onto the streets of America

The hell they are, brainwashed functional
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQICBAC&usg=AOvVaw2VCqcxKT4f28hb_jLgQI2y

i guess we will just have to disagree

because I dont trust your source anymore you trust mine

Feds: Illegal Aliens Charged with Murder, Rape Released by California

And they directly contradict each other

Yours are the exceptions that proves the rule. And your link doesn't seem to work.

 

[Markle]

Almost all the illegals this year are people who should not be illegal at all, asylum-seekers from the GOP War on Drugs and the GOP global warming agricultural crisis in Central America. Of course you dupes don't know anything about that either LOL

 

[Mac-7]

At times liberals demand that American companies pay everyone a “living wage”

Then at other times they complain that American workers get paid more than the chinese

Nobody is complaining that American workers get paid more than the Chinese, they are just stating the facts of the matter.

No, that is not true. There are many many many left-wingers that complain about companies overseas, paying their employees less.

But they are not complaining that American workers get paid more than the Chinese.

Actually they are calling for American workers to be paid less

if not then they want Americans to lise their job due to cheap imports from china

 

[Mac-7]

They are protecting illegal alien criminals including murderers and rapists

the link works for me
In super dupe World Maybe....actually they are protecting the witnesses against them. Do you need a diagram? LOL

That is complete and utter nonsense

dems are turning illegal alien rapists and murderers back onto the streets of America

The hell they are, brainwashed functional
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQICBAC&usg=AOvVaw2VCqcxKT4f28hb_jLgQI2y

i guess we will just have to disagree

because I dont trust your source anymore you trust mine

Feds: Illegal Aliens Charged with Murder, Rape Released by California

And they directly contradict each other

Yours are the exceptions that proves the rule. And your link doesn't seem to work.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Actually they are calling for American workers to be paid less

link please to someone on the left calling for American workers to be paid less.

 

[Andylusion]

Sure the globalists are sneering at manufacturing in America because our workers get paid more than the chinese

The cost of an iPhone is a good example

Libs only care about how cheap it is

Nobody is sneering, they are pointing out the facts.

And yes, the price is important. I do not personally give a flying **** where something is made, I am buying the best combination of price and quality. Why would anyone knowingly and happily pay more for something when they do not need to?

You do not seem to be a fan of capitalism.

Do you pay more than your bill when you go to the grocery store?

We do need to pay more for products like the iPhone in order to maintain our manufacturing base

So stupid, why should I pay more to try and move the country backwards.

As for our manufacturing...it is doing just fine.

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80% of the jobs lost in manufacturing were lost to automation and process efficiency. Those jobs are never coming back, as they should not. I have read a study that put forth the idea that Six Sigma cost more jobs than we lost to China.

80% of the jobs lost in manufacturing were lost to automation and process efficiency

Bullshit

the millions of manufacturing jobs lost to china are being filled by chinese not robots

You are clueless once again, doing nothing but parroting the party talking points.

Don’t Blame China For Taking U.S. Jobs

"The study reports as well that trade accounted for 13% of the lost U.S. factory jobs, but 88% of the jobs were taken by robots and other factors at home."

"Investment in automation and software has doubled the output per U.S. manufacturing worker over the past two decades. Robots are replacing workers, regardless of trade at an accelerating pace."


Why do you think that there was no drop in output while there was a drop in employment?

Employee numbers started dropping in 2000

View attachment 293513

yet there was only a tiny dip in output that recovered with in 2 years.

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Mac-7.... Gater, is entirely 100% correct on this point.

The vast vast majority of job-loss has came from automation. The only place where jobs in manufacturing has increased, is in China, where the price of labor is so low, that it is actually profit-losing to automate.

In Mexico even, most of the manufacturing plants being built are more automated than those in the US.

Manufacturing is not dying, and manufacturing jobs will never cease to exist..... but they will also never be a major force in the US economy.

Now that isn't to say that foreign companies helped in this process. Most certainly Unions made their respective companies un-competitive on the market, relative to the non-union foreign companies.

Even within our own country, we see the rise of non-union steel companies, overtaking the union ones. Nucor for example is non-union, and slowly edging out US Steel in steel production.

So Unions certainly helped to wipe out jobs, relative to non-union foreign companies, clearly harmed employment.

However, the bottom line is that automation wiped out more jobs, than anything China did.

And even if we blocked all trade with China, it would never bring those jobs back.

If they brought iPhone production to the US, it would be entirely automated. You wouldn't have tons of high paid manufacturing workers, doing it.

 

[Billy000]

Half of Americans huh? Okay so let’s pretend they did “better themselves” - who would be left behind to do those jobs they abandoned?

Republicans are too stupid for words.

Duhhhh.... "who would be left behind to do those jobs they abandoned"? Really? Who filled those jobs? Each month, 125,000-130,000 people enter the workforce for the first time. Youth and legal aliens.

"Republicans are too stupid for words" is a typical, desperate response from someone who knows their position is wrong and impossible to defend. Why not just man up? Ohhhh...riiiigggghhhhtttt!

Lol you’re so dense. It doesn’t make any goddamn sense for half of Americans to take new high paying jobs if the other half of Americans already have those jobs. This is a simple matter of basic mathematics. Good god lol

Did you read what you posted before hitting the "POST REPLY" button? It doesn't make any sense.

You're really going to hate the news of today.

More Black Men Have Jobs Than Ever Before, Unemployment Rate Holds at Lowest Level Ever
by JOHN CARNEY 6 Dec 2019

The unemployment rate for black men remained at the lowest level ever in November.

The economy added 266,000 jobs in the month, far more than expected. Black men over 20 picked up 14,000 of those jobs, according to Labor Department data released Friday. That matched in increase in the civilian labor force for that cohort.

More Black Men Have Jobs Than Ever Before, Unemployment Rate Holds at Lowest Level Ever | Breitbart

Lol you and I both know what I said made sense. Or maybe you don’t actually get it because you posted a link involving something way beyond the point. Obviously most of those black people don’t have high paying jobs. How hard is this to understand?

 

[Markle]

In super dupe World Maybe....actually they are protecting the witnesses against them. Do you need a diagram? LOL

MS-13 Illegals Charged with Murder After Being Freed by Sanctuary City

 

[Thinker101]

Actually they are calling for American workers to be paid less

link please to someone on the left calling for American workers to be paid less.

Democrats Just Released Their Plan To Raise Taxes - It's Way Worse Than Anyone Thought...

 

[Markle]

Lol you and I both know what I said made sense. Or maybe you don’t actually get it because you posted a link involving something way beyond the point. Obviously most of those black people don’t have high paying jobs. How hard is this to understand?

Specifically, how does this make sense?

It doesn’t make any goddamn sense for half of Americans to take new high paying jobs if the other half of Americans already have those jobs. This is a simple matter of basic mathematics.

Basic mathematics? Half of Americans...? Stupid statement!

 

[Markle]

They are protecting illegal alien criminals including murderers and rapists

In super dupe World Maybe....actually they are protecting the witnesses against them. Do you need a diagram? LOL

That is complete and utter nonsense

dems are turning illegal alien rapists and murderers back onto the streets of America

The hell they are, brainwashed functional
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQICBAC&usg=AOvVaw2VCqcxKT4f28hb_jLgQI2y

i guess we will just have to disagree

because I dont trust your source anymore you trust mine

Feds: Illegal Aliens Charged with Murder, Rape Released by California

And they directly contradict each other

Yours are the exceptions that proves the rule. And your link doesn't seem to work.

 

[Bleipriester]

This is why the rich don´t want socialist governments, wich are representing the interests of the workers. I get revolutionary thoughts when I read articles like this one but it is only worth the efforts for people that would do the same for you.
I am just going criminal or something. Robin Hood or something.

 

[Mac-7]

Actually they are calling for American workers to be paid less

link please to someone on the left calling for American workers to be paid less.

You refuse to buy products made in America if they cost more than the same item made in china

 

[Mac-7]

Nobody is sneering, they are pointing out the facts.

And yes, the price is important. I do not personally give a flying **** where something is made, I am buying the best combination of price and quality. Why would anyone knowingly and happily pay more for something when they do not need to?

You do not seem to be a fan of capitalism.

Do you pay more than your bill when you go to the grocery store?

We do need to pay more for products like the iPhone in order to maintain our manufacturing base

So stupid, why should I pay more to try and move the country backwards.

As for our manufacturing...it is doing just fine.

View attachment 293507

80% of the jobs lost in manufacturing were lost to automation and process efficiency. Those jobs are never coming back, as they should not. I have read a study that put forth the idea that Six Sigma cost more jobs than we lost to China.

80% of the jobs lost in manufacturing were lost to automation and process efficiency

Bullshit

the millions of manufacturing jobs lost to china are being filled by chinese not robots

You are clueless once again, doing nothing but parroting the party talking points.

Don’t Blame China For Taking U.S. Jobs

"The study reports as well that trade accounted for 13% of the lost U.S. factory jobs, but 88% of the jobs were taken by robots and other factors at home."

"Investment in automation and software has doubled the output per U.S. manufacturing worker over the past two decades. Robots are replacing workers, regardless of trade at an accelerating pace."


Why do you think that there was no drop in output while there was a drop in employment?

Employee numbers started dropping in 2000

View attachment 293513

yet there was only a tiny dip in output that recovered with in 2 years.

View attachment 293516

Mac-7.... Gater, is entirely 100% correct on this point.

The vast vast majority of job-loss has came from automation. The only place where jobs in manufacturing has increased, is in China, where the price of labor is so low, that it is actually profit-losing to automate.

In Mexico even, most of the manufacturing plants being built are more automated than those in the US.

Manufacturing is not dying, and manufacturing jobs will never cease to exist..... but they will also never be a major force in the US economy.

Now that isn't to say that foreign companies helped in this process. Most certainly Unions made their respective companies un-competitive on the market, relative to the non-union foreign companies.

Even within our own country, we see the rise of non-union steel companies, overtaking the union ones. Nucor for example is non-union, and slowly edging out US Steel in steel production.

So Unions certainly helped to wipe out jobs, relative to non-union foreign companies, clearly harmed employment.

However, the bottom line is that automation wiped out more jobs, than anything China did.

And even if we blocked all trade with China, it would never bring those jobs back.

If they brought iPhone production to the US, it would be entirely automated. You wouldn't have tons of high paid manufacturing workers, doing it.

We have millions of low education workers who are not suitable for high tech manufacturing

But they still need jobs

And we need to keep more of the $350-500 billion going to china in America

If automation is the future I want it in America rather than in china

I want the robots designed and manufactured here as well as put to work here

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Actually they are calling for American workers to be paid less

link please to someone on the left calling for American workers to be paid less.

You refuse to buy products made in America if they cost more than the same item made in china

I do not refuse to buy anything. As I said, I buy the best combination of price and quality. Country of origin is not taken into the equation.

Which has nothing to do with wanting American workers to be paid less.

There is nothing magical nor all that well paying about a factory job.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We have millions of low education workers who are not suitable for high tech manufacturing

But they still need jobs

So, are you saying that private companies should ignore technology and just hire people to do all the work manually?

If automation is the future I want it in America rather than in china

It is not an if, we are already seeing the automated future. We are for the most part more automated than most of China, they still have a lot of cheap labor.

I want the robots designed and manufactured here as well as put to work here

Already happening. But I guess that was not included in your talking points email

 

[Mac-7]

Actually they are calling for American workers to be paid less

link please to someone on the left calling for American workers to be paid less.

You refuse to buy products made in America if they cost more than the same item made in china

I do not refuse to buy anything. As I said, I buy the best combination of price and quality. Country of origin is not taken into the equation.

Which has nothing to do with wanting American workers to be paid less.

There is nothing magical nor all that well paying about a factory job.

A factory job s better than a door greeter at Walmart of sitting around on welfare

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We do need to pay more for products like the iPhone in order to maintain our manufacturing base

So stupid, why should I pay more to try and move the country backwards.

As for our manufacturing...it is doing just fine.

View attachment 293507

80% of the jobs lost in manufacturing were lost to automation and process efficiency. Those jobs are never coming back, as they should not. I have read a study that put forth the idea that Six Sigma cost more jobs than we lost to China.

80% of the jobs lost in manufacturing were lost to automation and process efficiency

Bullshit

the millions of manufacturing jobs lost to china are being filled by chinese not robots

You are clueless once again, doing nothing but parroting the party talking points.

Don’t Blame China For Taking U.S. Jobs

"The study reports as well that trade accounted for 13% of the lost U.S. factory jobs, but 88% of the jobs were taken by robots and other factors at home."

"Investment in automation and software has doubled the output per U.S. manufacturing worker over the past two decades. Robots are replacing workers, regardless of trade at an accelerating pace."


Why do you think that there was no drop in output while there was a drop in employment?

Employee numbers started dropping in 2000

View attachment 293513

yet there was only a tiny dip in output that recovered with in 2 years.

View attachment 293516

Mac-7.... Gater, is entirely 100% correct on this point.

The vast vast majority of job-loss has came from automation. The only place where jobs in manufacturing has increased, is in China, where the price of labor is so low, that it is actually profit-losing to automate.

In Mexico even, most of the manufacturing plants being built are more automated than those in the US.

Manufacturing is not dying, and manufacturing jobs will never cease to exist..... but they will also never be a major force in the US economy.

Now that isn't to say that foreign companies helped in this process. Most certainly Unions made their respective companies un-competitive on the market, relative to the non-union foreign companies.

Even within our own country, we see the rise of non-union steel companies, overtaking the union ones. Nucor for example is non-union, and slowly edging out US Steel in steel production.

So Unions certainly helped to wipe out jobs, relative to non-union foreign companies, clearly harmed employment.

However, the bottom line is that automation wiped out more jobs, than anything China did.

And even if we blocked all trade with China, it would never bring those jobs back.

If they brought iPhone production to the US, it would be entirely automated. You wouldn't have tons of high paid manufacturing workers, doing it.

We have millions of low education workers who are not suitable for high tech manufacturing

But they still need jobs

And we need to keep more of the $350-500 billion going to china in America

If automation is the future I want it in America rather than in china

I want the robots designed and manufactured here as well as put to work here

The problem is it will still be a huge loss to total jobs in the US. Can we stop it, do we stop it? I don't think that's possible.

One of our customers had plastic parts made for a product they mostly sold through Walmart. Walmart got on their ass about producing it even cheaper. So they turned to the factory that was producing the plastic parts. The plastic place couldn't make them any cheaper because as time went on, they didn't invest in technology. So our customer had us pick up the die, and take it to another customer of ours who did stay with the times. They've been making the plastic parts since; for about four or five years now.

The old plastic place called us to make a delivery to another customer for them. When I went back, it was a shell of what it used to be like. Most of the lights were off, just a few people around. Back in the day, there were tow motors running around all over the place. Employees frantically trying to label the boxes to get ready for shipment. Docks full and a line of us in the street waiting to get in. They couldn't work fast enough. Just a real shame.