Almost All US Temperature Data Used In Global Warming Models Is Estimated or Altered

[Davros]

Of course he cant or he would instead of posting lame ass assertions that he fails to back up with a shred of data.

just gettin it out there.

The evidence is out there for those willing to look at it.


Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence

Or is all of that stuff "fabricated" by the gubmint?

Yes, totally fudged data and manufactured BULLSHIT.

They managed to fake rising sea level, rising air temperature, rising ocean temperature, shrinking ice sheets, shrinking arctic ice, shrinking glaciers, increased extreme rainfall events, ocean acidification, and CO2 levels being drastically higher than any time in the past 650,000 years? All of that?

You do realize that the only one of those lies that is half true is CO2 and its warming signal can not be seen in current US-CRN and satellite data.

What the hell are you talking about? CO2'S greenhouse gas status is a proven scientific fact.

 

[Davros]

Of course he cant or he would instead of posting lame ass assertions that he fails to back up with a shred of data.

just gettin it out there.

The evidence is out there for those willing to look at it.


Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence

Or is all of that stuff "fabricated" by the gubmint?

Yes, totally fudged data and manufactured BULLSHIT.

They managed to fake rising sea level, rising air temperature, rising ocean temperature, shrinking ice sheets, shrinking arctic ice, shrinking glaciers, increased extreme rainfall events, ocean acidification, and CO2 levels being drastically higher than any time in the past 650,000 years? All of that?

Yes, they did fake all of that.

Sea levels are not rising significantly anywhere. IF it were ere are many island nations that would flood, and cities as well. The ocean temperatures are not rising if you look at the raw data, only the adjusted data shows that. And monsoons have been happening for ever.

Etc, etc, etc.

Tell you what Davros, maybe you can show me what the fail data set is for AGW theory? What events would have to happen that would prove AGW to be false?

Can you do that, or is AGW a tautology and thus not a scientific theory?

If global temperatures started plummeting for decades with no known cause, that would disprove global warming. But it ain't gonna happen.

Sea levels have risen only a modest amount because there's only so much ice to melt, and only a small portion of the global ice has melted so far. But sea levels have risen perceptible that's a scientific fact.

Ocean acidification due to carbonic acid is a documented fact.

There is no possible denying the basic scientific fact that increasing CO2 will in the long run cause warming because negative feedbacks cannot overwhelm the greenhouse warming indefinitely. In fact, we have already seen warming climate, which is an undeniable fact. But it is only going to get worse because there have been negative feedbacks and increased uptake of carbon by the vegetation and ocean ... but the warming trend will continue and the climate in 100 years will be significantly different.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

And plants tank us mightily for that too, de.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

And plants tank us mightily for that too, de.

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

Tell me how we survived millions of years with CO2 levels way above 7,000ppm.

Millions of years? What are you? A reptile?

the genus homo has been around millions of years, dude.

 

[Billy_Bob]

just gettin it out there.

The evidence is out there for those willing to look at it.


Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence

Or is all of that stuff "fabricated" by the gubmint?

Yes, totally fudged data and manufactured BULLSHIT.

They managed to fake rising sea level, rising air temperature, rising ocean temperature, shrinking ice sheets, shrinking arctic ice, shrinking glaciers, increased extreme rainfall events, ocean acidification, and CO2 levels being drastically higher than any time in the past 650,000 years? All of that?

You do realize that the only one of those lies that is half true is CO2 and its warming signal can not be seen in current US-CRN and satellite data.

What the hell are you talking about? CO2'S greenhouse gas status is a proven scientific fact.

CO2 in a bottle reacts differently in our atmosphere. One is closed system the other is not.. Water vapor has been found to be a NEGATIVE forcing and detracts from CO2 warming, It balances it out to zero. it does not amplify it as alarmist models predict and it is why the models fail.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

And plants tank us mightily for that too, de.

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

Tell me how we survived millions of years with CO2 levels way above 7,000ppm.

Millions of years? What are you? A reptile?

the genus homo has been around millions of years, dude.

The empirical evidence shows much higher CO2 Levels for a very long time in earths history.

 

[JimBowie1958]

If global temperatures started plummeting for decades with no known cause, that would disprove global warming. But it ain't gonna happen.

Temperatures have leveled off since 1998, other than the adjusted data. Even the Brits had to admit that there was a problem with the theory since there was an apparent 20 year halt in rising temperatures, but no worries there mate. The AGW scientists simply went in and 'adjusted' all the numbers up again.

Sea levels have risen only a modest amount because there's only so much ice to melt, and only a small portion of the global ice has melted so far. But sea levels have risen perceptible that's a scientific fact.

How much have sea levels risen and where? I have friends that live along the coast and they say they don't see any evidence of the ocean levels rising. You got alink to some actual facts, you know, names of places, how much rise there has been, etc?

Ocean acidification due to carbonic acid is a documented fact.

And that never happened before, is that what you are saying? If it happened before too then so what?

There is no possible denying the basic scientific fact that increasing CO2 will in the long run cause warming because negative feedbacks cannot overwhelm the greenhouse warming indefinitely. In fact, we have already seen warming climate, which is an undeniable fact. But it is only going to get worse because there have been negative feedbacks and increased uptake of carbon by the vegetation and ocean ... but the warming trend will continue and the climate in 100 years will be significantly different.

So you have some kind of perfect model of the atmosphere and surface and can predict exact4ly what will happen when and why?

If you don't, then yes, I am denying that you can prove you claim that we will see continued warming.

 

[Davros]

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

And plants tank us mightily for that too, de.

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

Tell me how we survived millions of years with CO2 levels way above 7,000ppm.

Millions of years? What are you? A reptile?

the genus homo has been around millions of years, dude.

Yeah, but when was this 7,000 ppm?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

And plants tank us mightily for that too, de.

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

Tell me how we survived millions of years with CO2 levels way above 7,000ppm.

Millions of years? What are you? A reptile?

the genus homo has been around millions of years, dude.

Yeah, but when was this 7,000 ppm?

That was about 5 million years ago and we were but a glimmer in some dino's loins methinks at that particular time.

 

[Davros]

The evidence is out there for those willing to look at it.


Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence

Or is all of that stuff "fabricated" by the gubmint?

Yes, totally fudged data and manufactured BULLSHIT.

They managed to fake rising sea level, rising air temperature, rising ocean temperature, shrinking ice sheets, shrinking arctic ice, shrinking glaciers, increased extreme rainfall events, ocean acidification, and CO2 levels being drastically higher than any time in the past 650,000 years? All of that?

You do realize that the only one of those lies that is half true is CO2 and its warming signal can not be seen in current US-CRN and satellite data.

What the hell are you talking about? CO2'S greenhouse gas status is a proven scientific fact.

CO2 in a bottle reacts differently in our atmosphere. One is closed system the other is not.. Water vapor has been found to be a NEGATIVE forcing and detracts from CO2 warming, It balances it out to zero. it does not amplify it as alarmist models predict and it is why the models fail.

Wrong. Water Vapor is a greenhouse gas. Clouds are a negative feedback. Those are made of liquid water and water ice. Hence increased water vapor can indirectly cause negative feedback by increasing low level cloudiness. But the vapor itself is a strong positive feedback.

You have one thing right ... water vapor feedback / cloud feedback is very complicated, and is one reason why models struggle with details.

But the basic concept remains that CO2 warms the Earth's surface, and feedbacks are eventually overcome in the long term if CO2 continues to increase.

 

[Davros]

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

And plants tank us mightily for that too, de.

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

Tell me how we survived millions of years with CO2 levels way above 7,000ppm.

Millions of years? What are you? A reptile?

the genus homo has been around millions of years, dude.

Yeah, but when was this 7,000 ppm?

That was about 5 million years ago and we were but a glimmer in some dino's loins methinks at that particular time.

Hence he must be a reptile since he survived it, but try 100 million years ago not 5.

 

[Davros]

Sea level. Looks like its rising most everywhere.

Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides and Currents

 

[JimBowie1958]

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

And plants tank us mightily for that too, de.

Tell me how we survived millions of years with CO2 levels way above 7,000ppm.

Millions of years? What are you? A reptile?

the genus homo has been around millions of years, dude.

Yeah, but when was this 7,000 ppm?

That was about 5 million years ago and we were but a glimmer in some dino's loins methinks at that particular time.

Hence he must be a reptile since he survived it, but try 100 million years ago not 5.

Maybe it was one of our great many mutual ancestors?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Sea level. Looks like its rising most everywhere.

Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides and Currents

Those are just estimates measured in feet per year. What kind of validation was done on that? Not much I bet.

 

[Davros]

Sea level. Looks like its rising most everywhere.

Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides and Currents

Those are just estimates measured in feet per year. What kind of validation was done on that? Not much I bet.

Sure. NOAA'S just amatuers.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Sea level. Looks like its rising most everywhere.

Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides and Currents

Did you account for the AUTO adjustment up that NASA employs of 2mm/year? Tidal gauges say no rise... but ........

 

[Kosh]

Remember this is what the AGW cult believes:

 

[jc456]

but can you prove that?

Of course he cant or he would instead of posting lame ass assertions that he fails to back up with a shred of data.

just gettin it out there.

The evidence is out there for those willing to look at it.


Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence

Or is all of that stuff "fabricated" by the gubmint?

what evidence is where? me thinks you are goofy. Perhaps you could post the experiment that shows how hot CO2 is. I can post you up one that shows when a guy tries to show CO2 heats up and the jar he uses is the same 79 degrees as his control jar. Funny stuff. You want to see it?

It isn't about what CO2 does in a jar, it's about what it does in the atmosphere. Longwave radiation is reflected back to the surface. It's been known since the 19th century so that puts you back in the Civil War days in terms of your scientific knowledge.

It's about temperature in the atmosphere, I completely agree. The problem is, no one knows what actually controls the temperature outside of the sun. Unless of course you do have an experiment? Mine was done by a liberal attempting to show how CO2 holds heat. He failed. So, again, where is your evidence that CO2 does anything to control temps?

 

[jc456]

Let's see we're unleashing into the system carbon that's been trapped in fossils for hundreds of millions of years, in the form of CO2 ... a known greenhouse gas.

yes we are, we breathe and we unleash CO2 into the system. We fart, we poop, we raise animals all to survive. So you seem to be saying that man shouldn't exist since we unleash CO2 in the air. wow again.

 

[jc456]

just gettin it out there.

The evidence is out there for those willing to look at it.


Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Evidence

Or is all of that stuff "fabricated" by the gubmint?

Yes, totally fudged data and manufactured BULLSHIT.

They managed to fake rising sea level, rising air temperature, rising ocean temperature, shrinking ice sheets, shrinking arctic ice, shrinking glaciers, increased extreme rainfall events, ocean acidification, and CO2 levels being drastically higher than any time in the past 650,000 years? All of that?

You do realize that the only one of those lies that is half true is CO2 and its warming signal can not be seen in current US-CRN and satellite data.

What the hell are you talking about? CO2'S greenhouse gas status is a proven scientific fact.

ok, then do you know how warm CO2 is in the atmosphere? Also, can you explain why someone needs to change station data to an estimate?