Allen West: Tired of Obama’s ‘Marxist Rhetoric’

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^I'm afraid that I'll have to agree with you on that one. Minus the extraneous insults and the ridiculous generalization about liberals. Zona's links have been somewhat disappointing. She has not done a very good job of documenting her position.

Of course, this is not to give you a pass on being a partisan hack.

 

[Wicked Jester]

By the way, as we all agree, he is a disgraced Army officer who was forced to retire or face a courts martial.

He was basically told to get out, pay us 5k and get the **** out or go to prison.

Link me to where I am wrong...I already linked you to where it said it was true.

Good luck. (and watch you deny deny deny and then try to say I am lying all the while you never having anything that says he didnt get charged and convicted of two violations of the ucmj.)

Tell me a person being forced to retire and pay money or be faced with courts martial, is not disgraced.

West sucks ass as an officer and the fact that he hired a talk radio guy shows he is a horrible politician.

He wasn't facing court martial, you ******* poseur.....You've already been discredited on this issue, dumbass.

Ya see idiot, once it was dropped to Article 15, court martial was no longer an option....If you had actually served, you would already know this....We ALL had to go through that boring ass UCMJ class.

Face it, Zona, you're an idiot.

 

[digger]

OK, I'm gonna go look this shit up myself. I don't believe Zona. And I sure as hell don't trust Jester.

 

[Jroc]

^I'm afraid that I'll have to agree with you on that one. Minus the extraneous insults and the ridiculous generalization about liberals. Zona's links have been somewhat disappointing. She has not done a very good job of documenting her position.

Of course, this is not to give you a pass on being a partisan hack.

Nope not a partisan hack at all. I could give a shiit less about establishment Republicans we need to get rid of them too. Real conservatives are the only ones who will save this country. Surley not any liberals or fake ass Republicans. Allen West fits the bill perfectly.

 

[Wicked Jester]

^I'm afraid that I'll have to agree with you on that one. Minus the extraneous insults and the ridiculous generalization about liberals. Zona's links have been somewhat disappointing. She has not done a very good job of documenting her position.

Of course, this is not to give you a pass on being a partisan hack.

It's a he.

Next time you wanna throw up a left winger who should be praised, throw one up who deserves it.........John Kerry deserves no respect for what he did when he returned....You don't embolden the enemy, and you don't falsely accuse soldiers who are still in harms way. You voice any concerns during debriefing. You don't take your shit public, particularly around a bunch of communist fuckin' left wing hippy freaks.

Now, there are quite a few left wing war hero's.....Go find one that actually deserves praise.......There's that old fart Senator from Hawaii. Can't recall his name. But he'd be what you're looking for.

John Kerry, hero?......Give me a fuckin' break.....Only an idiot would believe that fuckin' hogwash.

 

[The Gadfly]

That's right, I brought up Kerry. I wanted to give ya'll an opportunity to show how much you support war heroes. How much you hate to see people make up lies about them. How it's not a partisan issue for you at all. You missed your chance.

We do support war hero's........We don't support subversive pieces of shit who come back from war and stab their fellow soldiers in the back, as Kerry's sorry ass did.

how do you know he was subversive , you weren't in vietnam , how do you know ?
sure karry was as stupid as Fonda , had no right talking to gooks . but his service , what the **** do you know of that . people that talk like you never seen the other side of their typewriter .
did you like general MaCarthur ? think he was a great military person ? you know he lead a cavalry charge on military veterans trying get get their bonus they were promised , fired live ammunition into the camp , killed a few on the attack .
tell me all about stabbing your fellow vets in the back .
its the military way .

What about you? Were YOU in Vietnam? I was, as a grunt, so I think I know what it was like to fight there. Whatever else he did, John Kerry spent three whole months in Vietnam, before getting the "three Purple Heart" trip home. That's fine, except that two of those, while meeting the bare minimum for technical purposes, would not have even been written up in most commands I was familiar with; and the third was a superficial scratch that caused him to miss one whole day of duty. My, I am impressed! I am less impressed, that after his return home, (and while still a reserve officer, no less), Lt. Kerry turned on his fellow soldiers and sailors by accusing them of war crimes that never happened,, and procuring false testimony before congress about supposed war crimes from at least one "witness" he knew was not even there! Whether you like it or not, John Kerry spat on all of us when he did that, just as much as his Ivy League elitist friends back home did. No one ordered him to do that, (unlike what MacArthur was ORDERED to do with the "Bonus marchers"), no, Mr. Kerry chose to do that all on his own. You do understand the difference between personal choice and carrying out a direct, lawful order, don't you? Then again, maybe not. Don't you try to draw an equivalence between following lawful orders according to oath, with willful personal misconduct!. That's even worse than the liberal sniveling because you don't like the way Col. West, or anyone else, attempted to do his duty in a combat situation.

 

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I haven't found anything to suggest that West had a choice between being court martialed and retiring. That seems to be the main factual disagreement between Zona and Jester, and I'm gonna have to side with Jester on it.

However, West was fined $5,000. He was removed from his command. And they did consider the court martial. It is perfectly possible that at some point a prosecutor gave him the choice of retiring or being court martialed. But it is also perfectly possible that this did not happen.

There are a few things that have been agreed on by everyone that are not true. Basically, there is no evidence at all that the information West got through torture was true. The person who was being tortured, a Mr. Hamoodi, said that he made it all up to stop them from torturing him. No plans or weapons were found based on Hamoodi's information. West later testified that there was no corroboration of a plot found. ''At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi.''

So the impression that people have been making that West's actions saved the lives of any of his men has no basis. Evidence, and in fact West's on testimony, point towards it being completely pointless.

 

[digger]

^^ Wait a second. Kerry lied to Congress? Link?

 

[Wicked Jester]

We do support war hero's........We don't support subversive pieces of shit who come back from war and stab their fellow soldiers in the back, as Kerry's sorry ass did.

how do you know he was subversive , you weren't in vietnam , how do you know ?
sure karry was as stupid as Fonda , had no right talking to gooks . but his service , what the **** do you know of that . people that talk like you never seen the other side of their typewriter .
did you like general MaCarthur ? think he was a great military person ? you know he lead a cavalry charge on military veterans trying get get their bonus they were promised , fired live ammunition into the camp , killed a few on the attack .
tell me all about stabbing your fellow vets in the back .
its the military way .

What about you? Were YOU in Vietnam? I was, as a grunt, so I think I know what it was like to fight there. Whatever else he did, John Kerry spent three whole months in Vietnam, before getting the "three Purple Heart" trip home. That's fine, except that two of those, while meeting the bare minimum for technical purposes, would not have even been written up in most commands I was familiar with; and the third was a superficial scratch that caused him to miss one whole day of duty. My, I am impressed! I am less impressed, that after his return home, (and while still a reserve officer, no less), Lt. Kerry turned on his fellow soldiers and sailors by accusing them of war crimes that never happened,, and procuring false testimony before congress about supposed war crimes from at least one "witness" he knew was not even there! Whether you like it or not, John Kerry spat on all of us when he did that, just as much as his Ivy League elitist friends back home did. No one ordered him to do that, (unlike what MacArthur was ORDERED to do with the "Bonus marchers"), no, Mr. Kerry chose to do that all on his own. You do understand the difference between personal choice and carrying out a direct, lawful order, don't you? Then again, maybe not. Don't you try to draw an equivalence between following lawful orders according to oath, with willful personal misconduct!. That's even worse than the liberal sniveling because you don't like the way Col. West, or anyone else, attempted to do his duty in a combat situation.

I love listening to these fools who haven't a clue as to what combat is all about, and now all of a sudden they're experts.

What Kerry did was subversive to the core. He completely screwed over his former fellow soldiers mission in Vietnam, to the same point that those idiot ass Nat Guard fools at Abu Graib screwed over our mission in Iraq.....I'll never forget the impact of those idiots action, and what it did to our mission. Those Morons ended up costing american and allied lives, just the same as Kerry did.

And then of course we have Zona's stupid ass, who claims to have served, but has no clue as to Article 32 to Article 15.......Everybody knows Article 15, at the very least.

 

[Ernie S.]

That's right, I brought up Kerry. I wanted to give ya'll an opportunity to show how much you support war heroes. How much you hate to see people make up lies about them. How it's not a partisan issue for you at all. You missed your chance.

John Kerry is a war hero by his own admission. Few who served with him see it that way.

 

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^^What was the mission in Vietnam, anyway?

^Not true. Do some research. Many of the SBVFT never served with him. Maybe that's what you meant.

 

[Ernie S.]

^^What was the mission in Vietnam, anyway?

^Not true. Do some research. Many of the SBVFT never served with him. Maybe that's what you meant.

I have a very good friend, not one of the Swift Boat group, that served with him. (not his boat) Pat remembers him as a pampered, pompous ass who's crew would have shot him themselves to get him his 3rd Purple Heart.

 

[digger]

I'm sorry, but second hand anecdotes from your friend just ain't gonna cut it. For all you know Kerry fucked his favorite whore or something.

By the way, why didn't he join SBVFT?

 

[Ernie S.]

I'm sorry, but second hand anecdotes from your friend just ain't gonna cut it. For all you know Kerry fucked his favorite whore or something.

By the way, why didn't he join SBVFT?

He was still a Federal employee (USPS) since retired. He didn't need the notoriety or problems with the union.

 

[P F Tinmore]

West seems like a one note Johnny. Where does he stand on the issues?

 

[Ernie S.]

West seems like a one note Johnny. Where does he stand on the issues?

You could maybe go to his web site, read interviews, watch videos of his speeches; I don't know... maybe make an effort before you call him a "one note Johnny".
Are you afraid that getting to know him might give you reason to agree?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

West seems like a one note Johnny. Where does he stand on the issues?

There is only one song you care about the joooooos.
How does that one go?

 

[P F Tinmore]

West seems like a one note Johnny. Where does he stand on the issues?

You could maybe go to his web site, read interviews, watch videos of his speeches; I don't know... maybe make an effort before you call him a "one note Johnny".
Are you afraid that getting to know him might give you reason to agree?

I watched about a half dozen of his speeches before I asked that question.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Thank You Mr. West! I've been saying that for years. All Community Organizers are Marxists. That's just fact.

 

[slukasiewski]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(former_U.S._military_officer)


Iraq interrogation incidentWhile serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[11] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[11] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted or witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[11] Hamoodi was beaten by four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[12] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head.[11] Hamoodi then provided West with names and information, what Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[11] At least one suspect was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[11] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[11]

West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[citation needed] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[11] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[13]

An Article 15 is a misdemeanor, dumbass.

Why don't you enlist. Perhaps you'll learn something about the UCMJ.