Allen West is a disgrace.

[Meister]

These lefties are sounding like racists to me.

 

[Zona]

You seem awful concerned with another poster's private life.

Hi skippy. He posted what happened to him on a bulletin board. A BULLETIN BOARD. He said he was guilty of a drug infringement while he was in the military. ON A BULLETIN BOARD. I commented on it. Thanks for playing.

You did more than that. You apparently are so concerned that you talked to a friend about, then you came back here digging for more information. Now I don't really care, it just seems like obsessive type behavior, I for one cease to think about posters on a message board the moment I click the X, so don't understand taking a message board conversation into my real life. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

The amount of attention you are showing me is a tad obessive, no?

 

[Zona]

A disgrace to whom? You? If that's the case, do you think he gives a ****? He was Art. 15'd. As severe as a speeding ticket. It's not on his permanent record. It's Non-Judicial punishment. So please - shut your racist pie-hole. Just becuase the man is black doesn't give trailer-trash like you a license to bash him.

Speaking of disgrace, when/where did you serve, BTW?

Do you not get it. He was booted out and fined 5k. because he was guilty of assult (He lost his command because of it). This is a speeding ticket?

Seriously, respond to what I just posted...he was given a choice, retire, get fined 5k or face courts martial and face 10 years.

He lost his command, he was guilty of assult and was fined 5k on his way out the door. You considder this a traffic ticket? He is a ******* disgrace.

Damn...Oh and I was Navy....(aviation side) 84-04 since you asked.

Well, brown shoe - any dummy in the military knows an article 15/NJP/Mast doesn't carry over onto one's civilian record.

Well, at least most dummies know this.

There are exceptions.

Who said anything about an article 15 following one into a civilian life? I said he was guilty of assult, lost his command and was charged 5k on his way out the door. West went out in disgrace. Any military officer or senior enlisted member will tell you if you lose your command, you are disgraced.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[TheBrain]

Hi skippy. He posted what happened to him on a bulletin board. A BULLETIN BOARD. He said he was guilty of a drug infringement while he was in the military. ON A BULLETIN BOARD. I commented on it. Thanks for playing.

You did more than that. You apparently are so concerned that you talked to a friend about, then you came back here digging for more information. Now I don't really care, it just seems like obsessive type behavior, I for one cease to think about posters on a message board the moment I click the X, so don't understand taking a message board conversation into my real life. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

The amount of attention you are showing me is a tad obessive, no?

Really? I've asked nothing personal about you, nor have I discussed you with anyone. To me your just a bunch of pixels on a screen, and that is all you will ever be to me.

 

[slukasiewski]

Do you not get it. He was booted out and fined 5k. because he was guilty of assult (He lost his command because of it). This is a speeding ticket?

Seriously, respond to what I just posted...he was given a choice, retire, get fined 5k or face courts martial and face 10 years.

He lost his command, he was guilty of assult and was fined 5k on his way out the door. You considder this a traffic ticket? He is a ******* disgrace.

Damn...Oh and I was Navy....(aviation side) 84-04 since you asked.

Well, brown shoe - any dummy in the military knows an article 15/NJP/Mast doesn't carry over onto one's civilian record.

Well, at least most dummies know this.

There are exceptions.

Who said anything about an article 15 following one into a civilian life? I said he was guilty of assult, lost his command and was charged 5k on his way out the door. West went out in disgrace. Any military officer or senior enlisted member will tell you if you lose your command, you are disgraced.

What the hell are you talking about?

He has an honorable discharge hanging.
Sorry if MSNBC has you brainwashed otherwise.
I can't cure stupid.

 

[MikeK]

These lefties are sounding like racists to me.

Speaking in code is impolite as well as non-productive: Who are these "lefties" you reference and what exactly do you mean by "racists" (that's a very elastic word).

 

[Meister]

These lefties are sounding like racists to me.

Speaking in code is impolite as well as non-productive: Who are these "lefties" you reference and what exactly do you mean by "racists" (that's a very elastic word).

Geeeze...it's sarcasm....just like the lefties who cry racism if a rightie doesn't agree with your messiah. Now talk to all of us about an elastic word.
Have I cleared that up for you, sonny?

 

[westwall]

Do you not get it. He was booted out and fined 5k. because he was guilty of assult (He lost his command because of it). This is a speeding ticket?

Seriously, respond to what I just posted...he was given a choice, retire, get fined 5k or face courts martial and face 10 years.

He lost his command, he was guilty of assult and was fined 5k on his way out the door. You considder this a traffic ticket? He is a ******* disgrace.

Damn...Oh and I was Navy....(aviation side) 84-04 since you asked.

Well, brown shoe - any dummy in the military knows an article 15/NJP/Mast doesn't carry over onto one's civilian record.

Well, at least most dummies know this.

There are exceptions.

Who said anything about an article 15 following one into a civilian life? I said he was guilty of assult, lost his command and was charged 5k on his way out the door. West went out in disgrace. Any military officer or senior enlisted member will tell you if you lose your command, you are disgraced.

What the hell are you talking about?

Ummmm, no they won't. He admitted that what he did was wrong. he also stated he would do it again to save the lives of his soldiers. His soldiers would follow him into hell if needed and you can't ask for a better recomendation then that. I wonder if you noticed this little sentence in your link?

"After Colonel West was relieved of his command, an interpreter said that without his presence the region he previously oversaw became more dangerous and chaotic."

If it were my son or daughter going into an area who do you think I would rather be in command of it? Someone who plays by the rules, cowtows to the politicians and gets my family member killed, or maybe someone like West who gets the job done and keeps my kin alive.

Every military person I know repects him for what he did. Disgraced? Far from it.

 

[SFC Ollie]

In the US Army a company grade Article 15 as WJ described does not even make it into your record. It never leaves the company which issues it. When you leave that company on PCS that record is destroyed.

LTC West did not receive a company grade Article 15. His would have followed him. As did the one I received as a PFC and still made SFC within 10 years. I will not go into details of my own screw up. it was dumb and stupid and if i had thought for one second it never would have happened. And no it had nothing to do with drugs.

At any rate I have posted where it was explained that the prosecutors offered to drop the charges if LTC West would resign his commission. He refused and accepted the Article 15. He then decided that he would retire and pursue a teaching career. It was his decision.

Of course the lefties here will deny that with their dying breath. Let them.

 

[Jack Fate]

These lefties are sounding like racists to me.

Speaking in code is impolite as well as non-productive: Who are these "lefties" you reference and what exactly do you mean by "racists" (that's a very elastic word).

Have you figured out who the vile vicious enemy of America is? That's a straight forward question. No code.

 

[The Gadfly]

These lefties are sounding like racists to me.

Speaking in code is impolite as well as non-productive: Who are these "lefties" you reference and what exactly do you mean by "racists" (that's a very elastic word).

Well, you should know all about code words, and especially about elastic definitions of "racism", because you Leftes have the market about cornered on that one. You gus have redifined, undefined, and abused the word "racism" until the word can mean just about anything, when uttered by a liberal.Let a conservative use the word "disgrace" to describe the actions of a Black person you appprove of (like your fearless leader) and even if the comment has nothing to do with color at all, you scream "RACISM!". Let one of you call a Back person who doesn't adhere to liberal orthodoxy, and especially one who dares leave "Massa Liberal's Plantation", a "disgrace", and there's nothing the least bit racist about it. Hmmm, double standards anyone? Or is it just that "elastic" stretching, again? I'm calling "spandex abuse" on this one!

 

[The Gadfly]

I think I'll stick with the definition of torture we had before Bush changed it. It matches my personal code of ethics and makes common sense. How about you? Would you say that West "conducted an enhanced interrogation?" That's eleven syllables, but it's still torture.

(with no interrogation training)

We had no definition of Torture BEFORE President Bush that we don't have now.

We just never included some of the shit BEFORE you rabid liberal attack pussies went on the attack.

Not all unpleasant crap constitutes "torture." And thankfully your alleged "personal code of 'ethics'" is not controlling on anybody else.

And to whatever extent that Lt. Col. West did engage in some enhanced interrogation technique, no that does not constitute "torture" just because a partisan tool like you wants to believe it does.

This is what most of the world thinks when you say the word torture :

...any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions. --UN Convention Against Torture[1]

Fortunately, that motley collection of European socialists, leftover communists, and despotic third-world shitbirds who run the toothless, impotent debating society known as the U.N. have ZERO say in the laws of the United States, so I really don't give a rat's arse what the U.N. thinks about anything. Your vision of "one world government" can't even support itself financially at this point, and frankly I have no use for that collection of idiots and spies, or their baby blue flag of disgrace, or their baby blue helmets, or their baby blue berets. I could not care less what they think of my actions, Col. West's actions, or the actions of any other "real' soldiers (as opposed to third-world amateurs, who usually violate their own "rules" regularly).

Incidentally, the subject of the exercise in this case WAS interrogated by TWO "authorized, trained" interrogators; he laughed at them. When Col. West walked in, he simply smirked "I love you". Obviously, he took matters a tad more seriously after having had a round put past his head (something I see nothing wrong with; no one ever told me in Vietnam I couldn't do that to get a captured VC's "attention").

 

[MikeK]

These lefties are sounding like racists to me.

Speaking in code is impolite as well as non-productive: Who are these "lefties" you reference and what exactly do you mean by "racists" (that's a very elastic word).

Have you figured out who the vile vicious enemy of America is? That's a straight forward question. No code.

The most committed and militarily dangerous enemies of America are those Islamic shahids who have demonstrated their willingness to sacrifice their own lives in the process of striking at us. And we have politicians like Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush to thank for their fanatical determination.

But the most vile and vicious enemies of America are those educated and intelligant right-wing political cultists and paid propagandists who serve the emerging corporatocracy in its effort to undermine the social structure (the middle class) which has elevated the standard of living for the vast majority of ordinary Americans, probably including you and yours, for several decades, mainly via the provisions of the New Deal and the union movement.

I do not include the uneducated and dim-witted right-wing acolytes in that category. Their motivation is less than vile and vicious because they are weak-minded and easily indoctrinated (brainwashed) by voices like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. They don't have the intelligence to apply reason to what they hear from those propagandists, so they are to be pitied rather than despised.

As one example, the most vile and vicious enemy of America that comes immediately to mind is Dick Cheney. He is truly vile and truly vicious and he is a very real enemy to any American citizen who does not inhabit the upper two percent.

 

[TheBrain]

Speaking in code is impolite as well as non-productive: Who are these "lefties" you reference and what exactly do you mean by "racists" (that's a very elastic word).

Have you figured out who the vile vicious enemy of America is? That's a straight forward question. No code.

The most committed and militarily dangerous enemies of America are those Islamic shahids who have demonstrated their willingness to sacrifice their own lives in the process of striking at us. And we have politicians like Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush to thank for their fanatical determination.

But the most vile and vicious enemies of America are those educated and intelligant right-wing political cultists and paid propagandists who serve the emerging corporatocracy in its effort to undermine the social structure (the middle class) which has elevated the standard of living for the vast majority of ordinary Americans, probably including you and yours, for several decades, mainly via the provisions of the New Deal and the union movement.

I do not include the uneducated and dim-witted right-wing acolytes in that category. Their motivation is less than vile and vicious because they are weak-minded and easily indoctrinated (brainwashed) by voices like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. They don't have the intelligence to apply reason to what they hear from those propagandists, so they are to be pitied rather than despised.

As one example, the most vile and vicious enemy of America that comes immediately to mind is Dick Cheney. He is truly vile and truly vicious and he is a very real enemy to any American citizen who does not inhabit the upper two percent.

Your rant against Dick Cheney had exactly NOTHING to do with this thread.

 

[MikeK]

Well, you should know all about code words, and especially about elastic definitions of "racism", because you Leftes have the market about cornered on that one. You gus have redifined, undefined, and abused the word "racism" until the word can mean just about anything, when uttered by a liberal.Let a conservative use the word "disgrace" to describe the actions of a Black person you appprove of (like your fearless leader) and even if the comment has nothing to do with color at all, you scream "RACISM!". Let one of you call a Back person who doesn't adhere to liberal orthodoxy, and especially one who dares leave "Massa Liberal's Plantation", a "disgrace", and there's nothing the least bit racist about it. Hmmm, double standards anyone? Or is it just that "elastic" stretching, again? I'm calling "spandex abuse" on this one!

Your use of the pronoun, you, means you have presumptively identifed me as a Liberal and a racist but I can't advance a substantive argument because I really don't know if I am what you mean by those terms, or not.

If you think I'm a Liberal please tell me what you believe a Liberal to be. If your definition applies to me I won't argue. Same for racist. Tell me what you believe a racist to be and I'll tell you if I am that, or not.

 

[Zona]

Well, brown shoe - any dummy in the military knows an article 15/NJP/Mast doesn't carry over onto one's civilian record.

Well, at least most dummies know this.

There are exceptions.

Who said anything about an article 15 following one into a civilian life? I said he was guilty of assult, lost his command and was charged 5k on his way out the door. West went out in disgrace. Any military officer or senior enlisted member will tell you if you lose your command, you are disgraced.

What the hell are you talking about?

He has an honorable discharge hanging.
Sorry if MSNBC has you brainwashed otherwise.
I can't cure stupid.

Yes, I know he went out with an honorable forced discharge...but here is the ting. Ask any military person if a officer is made..forced to give up his command and then forced to retire and be fined 5k, if that officer is disgraced. Honorable discharge or not.

If you dont mention names and just those facts, see what they say.

 

[Jroc]

Have you figured out who the vile vicious enemy of America is? That's a straight forward question. No code.

The most committed and militarily dangerous enemies of America are those Islamic shahids who have demonstrated their willingness to sacrifice their own lives in the process of striking at us. And we have politicians like Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush to thank for their fanatical determination.

But the most vile and vicious enemies of America are those educated and intelligant right-wing political cultists and paid propagandists who serve the emerging corporatocracy in its effort to undermine the social structure (the middle class) which has elevated the standard of living for the vast majority of ordinary Americans, probably including you and yours, for several decades, mainly via the provisions of the New Deal and the union movement.

I do not include the uneducated and dim-witted right-wing acolytes in that category. Their motivation is less than vile and vicious because they are weak-minded and easily indoctrinated (brainwashed) by voices like Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck. They don't have the intelligence to apply reason to what they hear from those propagandists, so they are to be pitied rather than despised.

As one example, the most vile and vicious enemy of America that comes immediately to mind is Dick Cheney. He is truly vile and truly vicious and he is a very real enemy to any American citizen who does not inhabit the upper two percent.

Your rant against Dick Cheney had exactly NOTHING to do with this thread.

Wow..People still actually believe this stuff? The sixties radical left is alive and well and sad to say they are running the country right now, which is why real Americans are mobilizing to defeat this kind clueless thinking..... Unreal.

 

[MikeK]

Your rant against Dick Cheney had exactly NOTHING to do with this thread.

I offered my basic impression of Dick Cheney as an illustration of one whom I regard as politically vile and vicious, which is perfectly relevant to the discussion. If you infer that to be a rant, I assure you that a rant on the character of that devious, vile and vicious bastard would occupy no fewer than four substantial paragraphs.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Who said anything about an article 15 following one into a civilian life? I said he was guilty of assult, lost his command and was charged 5k on his way out the door. West went out in disgrace. Any military officer or senior enlisted member will tell you if you lose your command, you are disgraced.

What the hell are you talking about?

He has an honorable discharge hanging.
Sorry if MSNBC has you brainwashed otherwise.
I can't cure stupid.

Yes, I know he went out with an honorable forced discharge...but here is the ting. Ask any military person if a officer is made..forced to give up his command and then forced to retire and be fined 5k, if that officer is disgraced. Honorable discharge or not.

If you dont mention names and just those facts, see what they say.

West's military career was over at LT Col because of misconduct on his part. Most officers who have a fine career don't end on that note.

 

[mudwhistle]

Who said anything about an article 15 following one into a civilian life? I said he was guilty of assult, lost his command and was charged 5k on his way out the door. West went out in disgrace. Any military officer or senior enlisted member will tell you if you lose your command, you are disgraced.

What the hell are you talking about?

He has an honorable discharge hanging.
Sorry if MSNBC has you brainwashed otherwise.
I can't cure stupid.

Yes, I know he went out with an honorable forced discharge...but here is the ting. Ask any military person if a officer is made..forced to give up his command and then forced to retire and be fined 5k, if that officer is disgraced. Honorable discharge or not.

If you dont mention names and just those facts, see what they say.

I have serious issues with the Rules of Engagement of this Administration.

I imagine West did too. Anyone with any decency about them would.

They are designed to handcuff the troops, draw out the war, discredit the troops, embarrass this nation.....etc.