All Those Lives and Money Wasted on Saddam

[jknowgood]

4200 lives, 200,000 wounded and a trillion dollars later, and this guy and his dad should have been the ones that "had to go".
Kim Jong Un and his father, Kim Jong Il should have been in Dick Cheney's crosshairs, but there's no money in bombing North Korea.

Hope all you dumbass Dick Groupies are finally waking up.

Liberals love dictators like this one, just ask dennis rodman.

Would you trade your life for the freedom of the North Korean people?

What does that have to do with dennis rodman a proud liberal partying with a dictator? Let me ask, would you?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

And the fact that Saddam broke the cease fire agreement 19 times is once again ignored in favor of sensationalism

 

[NYcarbineer]

The OP has an excellent point. Why aren't all the war mongers on this forum who insist to this day that the Iraq War was NECESSARY now arguing that invading North Korea must be NECESSARY??

The same exact conditions. Why the flip flop, people? Are you admitting that those of us who have said all along that the Iraq war was UNNECESSARY were right?

Well, we were. And you were wrong, and this only further proves it.

Yup. My point is missed on these pinheads.

Kim Jong Il was pointing missiles at us even while these stupid morons were watching our troops getting blown up on bridges in Fallujah.

There are an average of 12-15 civil wars ongoing in Africa at any given t ime because of oppressive dictators who starve their people, but the idiots on this board just drool over whatever Fox force-feeds them.

They are still attacking Obama for getting involved in the liberation of Libya.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

4200 lives, 200,000 wounded and a trillion dollars later, and this guy and his dad should have been the ones that "had to go".
Kim Jong Un and his father, Kim Jong Il should have been in Dick Cheney's crosshairs, but there's no money in bombing North Korea.

Hope all you dumbass Dick Groupies are finally waking up.

Iraq Liberation and 100,000 children per year were saved from starvation in six weeks!
4,000 soldiers 200,000 wounded ALL because of THESE traitors LIKE YOU who rooted for Saddam and the Terrorists to kill more soldiers and to prolong the war all with the help of the MSM and traitorous statements like these:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything " 40,800 Google results

U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”
39,600 Google results
Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children." 92,500 Google results

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets"--action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners. 127,000 Google results
Senator Obama said "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians," 94,300 Google results

So Iraq deaths and cost continued because the above remarks HELPED ONLY the terrorists and they were emboldened to prolong!

If you don't believe the terrorists were happy, elated to hear above traitors praise their efforts and disrespect their OWN troops.. you are totally ignorant.. truly oblivious to the affects this Harvard study said:

A Harvard study found here THE "EMBOLDENMENT EFFECT" asked:

"Are insurgents in Iraq emboldened by voices in the news media expressing dissent or calling for troop withdrawals from Iraq?
The short answer is YES!!! according to Radha Iyengar, a Robert Wood Johnson Scholar in health policy
research at Harvard and Jonathan Monten of the Belfer Center at the university's Kennedy School of Government.

STUDY ABSTRACT
Are insurgents affected by information on US casualty sensitivity? Using data on attacks and variation in access to international news across Iraqi provinces, we identify an “emboldenment” effect by comparing the rate of insurgent attacks in areas with higher and lower access to information about U.S news after public statements critical of the war. We find in periods after a spike in war-critical statements, insurgent attacks increases by 5-10 percent.

The results suggest that insurgent groups respond rationally to expected probability of US withdrawal.
On a related note, the New York Times reports that the media aren't paying as much attention to Iraq as they used to:
Media attention on Iraq began to wane after the first months of fighting, but as recently as the middle of last year, it was still the most-covered topic.
Since then, Iraq coverage by major American news sources has plummeted to about one-fifth of what it was last summer, according to the Project for Excellence in Journalism.
If the Harvard study is right, we may be looking at a virtuous circle: Less violence means less media coverage, which in turn means less violence, says the Wall Street Journal.
Perhaps one day we'll wake up to discover that America won the war in Iraq months earlier, but no one noticed because the reporters were all busy with other things.
Victory in Iraq Day, November 22, 2008

Bush had lost all credibility with his own party because of Iraq. Pay attention. Or at least try to recall American history for the last 6 years.

But you can't even recall it back to the vietnam war.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Liberals love dictators like this one, just ask dennis rodman.

Would you trade your life for the freedom of the North Korean people?

What does that have to do with dennis rodman a proud liberal partying with a dictator? Let me ask, would you?

IOW, you wouldn't. Stop trying to send Americans to die for something you wouldn't yourself die for.

 

[healthmyths]

why dont you campaign next election on how GREAT Bush was?

I won't have to. Historians are slowly recognizing what happened during Bush years. IN SPITE of the vicious attacks on the President all under the auspicious of "freedom of the press" when the Editor of NewsWeek was asked:

B]Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do." --[/B]
Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington,
February 2, 2007.Newsweek's Evan Thomas: 'Our Job Is To Bash the President' | NewsBusters

So what about Obama this same Bush Bashing Editor of NewsWeek.... Evan Thomas calls Obama god!

I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."
Evan Thomas on Hardball, June 5, 2009.
Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters

With that MSM bias against Bush and FOR Obama.. Historians will using that as a backdrop look at these 4 major events and the results:
If these events had occurred during either Clinton or Obama's administration and based on their past executive actions where do you think the country would be?

1) Dot.com bust cost $5 trillion in lost market value.. this means every year for 30 years now starting in 2000 the federal revenue is over $66 billion written off against taxes owed.
How many people LOST jobs due to the bust??
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies. More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

2) Did YOU forget that 9/11 occurred and it cost $2 trillion over the next 30 years again $33 billion will NOT BE PAiD.. was that Bush's fault?
Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York!!
Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone.
Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade

3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages. Andrew slammed into South Florida in 1992 as a Category 5. It caused 40 deaths and $30 billion in property damage. More than 250,000 people were left homeless and 82,000 businesses were destroyed or damaged.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.

Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

Almost 1 million jobs alone from those 3 events

4) Economic terrorist attack 9/18/2008 or how the world almost came to the end at 2pm on 9/18/2008.
How close to entire collapse the ENTIRE world's economy was on 9/18/2008 when an economic terrorist attack occurred..

On Thursday (Sept 18), at 11am the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the U.S., to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two. The Treasury ...estimation is that by 2pm that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the U.S., would have collapsed the entire economy of the U.S., and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it."
Zero Hedge: How The World Almost Came To An End At 2PM On September 18

Again all this happened and at the same time the MSM was bashing the President DAILY!

So again... why don't you refute these events happened all against the backdrop of MSM vicious BASHING of Bush!
Why don't you explain how these events DIDN"T have an affect the USA financially, emotionally, psychologically and in spite of it :
When Bush started 131,785,000 people employed.
At the end of 2008 136,790,000 people employed or

5,000,000 more employed then when he took office.

When Bush took office in 2001 GDP was $12.355,271,000,000
when Bush left office in 2008 GDP was $14,359,490,000,000
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A 16% increase in GDP or $2 TRILLION.

PLEASE REFUTE or shut the f...k UP!

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

4200 lives, 200,000 wounded and a trillion dollars later, and this guy and his dad should have been the ones that "had to go".
Kim Jong Un and his father, Kim Jong Il should have been in Dick Cheney's crosshairs, but there's no money in bombing North Korea.

Hope all you dumbass Dick Groupies are finally waking up.

LBJ. 59,000 americans dead. Vietnam war. Continue on you hack.

'Scuze me but.....Huh? What is your point? Besides the one on top of your head?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The OP has an excellent point. Why aren't all the war mongers on this forum who insist to this day that the Iraq War was NECESSARY now arguing that invading North Korea must be NECESSARY??

The same exact conditions. Why the flip flop, people? Are you admitting that those of us who have said all along that the Iraq war was UNNECESSARY were right?

Well, we were. And you were wrong, and this only further proves it.

Yup. My point is missed on these pinheads.

Kim Jong Il was pointing missiles at us even while these stupid morons were watching our troops getting blown up on bridges in Fallujah.

There are an average of 12-15 civil wars ongoing in Africa at any given t ime because of oppressive dictators who starve their people, but the idiots on this board just drool over whatever Fox force-feeds them.

They are still attacking Obama for getting involved in the liberation of Libya.

Anti Iraq war threads years later still regularly posted

I don't remember when the last anti Libya thread was.

Seems pretty clear who can't let go

 

[NYcarbineer]

And the fact that Saddam broke the cease fire agreement 19 times is once again ignored in favor of sensationalism

North Korea has ceasefire violations going back to the fifties. North Korea has WMD's, real ones. The North Korean government oppresses its own people.

If that doesn't make invading North Korea NECESSARY, why did the same conditions make invading Iraq NECESSARY?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Yup. My point is missed on these pinheads.

Kim Jong Il was pointing missiles at us even while these stupid morons were watching our troops getting blown up on bridges in Fallujah.

There are an average of 12-15 civil wars ongoing in Africa at any given t ime because of oppressive dictators who starve their people, but the idiots on this board just drool over whatever Fox force-feeds them.

They are still attacking Obama for getting involved in the liberation of Libya.

Anti Iraq war threads years later still regularly posted

I don't remember when the last anti Libya thread was.

Seems pretty clear who can't let go

Another false equivalency and another rightie who can't address my point directly.

But since you mention Libya, why have we let Syria fall away without taking out Bashar Al-Assad? He was just as bad a bad ass in 2003 as Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi were.

Why does America cherry pick who needs to go and who stays when it comes to dictators.....hmmmmmm? Or can you answer that without leaning to the far right?

 

[jknowgood]

Would you trade your life for the freedom of the North Korean people?

What does that have to do with dennis rodman a proud liberal partying with a dictator? Let me ask, would you?

IOW, you wouldn't. Stop trying to send Americans to die for something you wouldn't yourself die for.

When did I say we should start a war with north korea? All I said was dennis rodman and liberals like yourself loves dictators.

 

[SFC Ollie]

The OP has an excellent point. Why aren't all the war mongers on this forum who insist to this day that the Iraq War was NECESSARY now arguing that invading North Korea must be NECESSARY??

The same exact conditions. Why the flip flop, people? Are you admitting that those of us who have said all along that the Iraq war was UNNECESSARY were right?

Well, we were. And you were wrong, and this only further proves it.

North Korea wants the USA to start it so they can point fingers. Give them time they will eventually either shut up or screw up and attack us. If they do I can only hope that the politicians and the press are kept out of it and allow our military to end it quickly.....

 

[California Girl]

Oh look, a flame thread masquerading as 'politics'. How unusual. Not.

Personally, I think people who use our war dead as a 'flame fest' about political ideology do not qualify to be called human beings, yet alone Americans.

Is that why the rightwing Obama haters on this forum never did any such thing regarding the Benghazi deaths?

Entirely different circumstances - Ambassador Stevens was a political appointee - and, while I find a lot of the comments regarding his death to be distasteful, borderline freakish and sometimes downright disgusting, he was not a member of our military sent to war. Using our military as a political football is, to me, beneath contempt. Of course, in order to feel that way, one does need to have morals - and one's moral do need to include things that are more important than political point scoring... therefore, I am not surprised that you would not agree with me. You are one of the sick freaks.

 

[Truthmatters]

Pat Tillman was USED wasnt he

 

[Truthmatters]

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[NoTeaPartyPleez]

And the fact that Saddam broke the cease fire agreement 19 times is once again ignored in favor of sensationalism

North Korea has ceasefire violations going back to the fifties. North Korea has WMD's, real ones. The North Korean government oppresses its own people.

If that doesn't make invading North Korea NECESSARY, why did the same conditions make invading Iraq NECESSARY?

They can't answer this question unless Fox Noise tutors them on the talking points.

But a picture is worth a thousand words. Here's the satellite image of North and South Korea at night. The only guy who has electricity and NOT living in a prison camp is Kim Jong Un.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

4200 lives, 200,000 wounded and a trillion dollars later, and this guy and his dad should have been the ones that "had to go".
Kim Jong Un and his father, Kim Jong Il should have been in Dick Cheney's crosshairs, but there's no money in bombing North Korea.

Hope all you dumbass Dick Groupies are finally waking up.

LBJ. 59,000 americans dead. Vietnam war. Continue on you hack.

'Scuze me but.....Huh? What is your point? Besides the one on top of your head?

Just your inability to look at past history.

 

[SFC Ollie]

4200 lives, 200,000 wounded and a trillion dollars later, and this guy and his dad should have been the ones that "had to go".
Kim Jong Un and his father, Kim Jong Il should have been in Dick Cheney's crosshairs, but there's no money in bombing North Korea.

Hope all you dumbass Dick Groupies are finally waking up.

LBJ. 59,000 americans dead. Vietnam war. Continue on you hack.

In late October 1968 there were major concessions from Hanoi which promised to allow meaningful talks to get underway in Paris - concessions that would justify Johnson calling for a complete bombing halt of North Vietnam. This was exactly what Nixon feared.

The Paris peace talks may have ended years earlier, if it had not been for Nixon's subterfuge
Chennault was despatched to the South Vietnamese embassy with a clear message: the South Vietnamese government should withdraw from the talks, refuse to deal with Johnson, and if Nixon was elected, they would get a much better deal.

So on the eve of his planned announcement of a halt to the bombing, Johnson learned the South Vietnamese were pulling out.

He was also told why. The FBI had bugged the ambassador's phone and a transcripts of Anna Chennault's calls were sent to the White House. In one conversation she tells the ambassador to "just hang on through election".

Johnson was told by Defence Secretary Clifford that the interference was illegal and threatened the chance for peace.

BBC News - The Lyndon Johnson tapes: Richard Nixon's 'treason'

What does Tricky Dick have to do with today?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Pat Tillman was USED wasnt he

Pat Tillman volunteered and signed up, only to be quickly disillusioned by what he saw in Afghanistan. His mother told him, "Don't trust George W. Bush!".

Then his death by friendly fire was disguised just as Jessica Lynch's wounds, in order to bolster support for another phony war.

 

[Truthmatters]

The Bush admin lied about alot of things