All the House GOP and the President - what an unfair advantage!!!

Has anyone yet figure out that Obama really didn't say anything?

That isn't true, he was all over every issue they threw at him. It's really simple, he was the one prepared, not the Rs.

The Rs were like the R posters here thinking they are so much smarter than Obama. They really aren't. They may want to coast to the elections in November but the president doesn't seem ready to allow that.

He was excellent and you would do well to watch the thing if you haven't. It's probably on Youtube.

Apparently Mike Pence is supposed to be one of their brighter bulbs, too. Pathetic, huh?

Most of them were reading off pieces of paper. They always make fun of Obama for using a teleprompter but they were so ill prepared, they had to read their questions to the president.

:eusa_snooty:
 
let's see what happens in the long term. I can see the ads now, with Obama repeatedly lying about the existence of Republican healthcare plans, right up to just two measly days ago, and his current admission that he's seen those plans.

"repeatedl lying about the existence of Republican healthcare plans"?


How often?

Here's just one link for you that compiles a few. But this is common knowledge and I think it's fairly disingenuous that you appear to claim you haven't heard it before.
PolitiFact | Price says Obama and his aides have said Republicans have 'no ideas' on health care

Last night amidst all the schadenfreude I didn't really look at this link. Now that I've taken a look at it, I have to concede that you're at least right on this part.

That's pretty much it, though, so I'm gonna continue to feel happy about this beatdown.

:D:D:D
 
He said plenty. That's why Foxnews went dark on it. :lol::lol::lol:


No. Darkwind was right. The President said nothing. He used quite a few words to get there, but when he got there, he was nowhere. Why? Because, getting past your partisan but dishonest spin, he actually didn't say anything.

FoxNews did cover it, but not in the same fawning manner as MSLSD. Thus, they were clear enough in their thinking to break away from the non-news story. By sickening contrast, MSLSD is still having ograsms. I don't think it's just a thrill running UP the leg of those hacks.

Do you really believe Fox would pass up an opportunity to embarrass President Obama?

Fox broke away for one reason...the President was exposing that Republican rhetoric was based on right wing propaganda and Frank Luntz talking points, but little or no substance.

I liked watching it after hearing what Glenn Beck pointed out about Progressives. Suddenly Obama addressing the democrats as "my progressive friends" said volumes. Ane who was it that wrote something about kicking all the non-progressives out, get on board or get out. The democratic party has been destroyed and we're left with a majority of progressives, a bunch of arrogant elitists out to destroy the Constitution and put their own arrogant selves in power to rule or destroy all the idiots that don't fall in line with their goals.

No wonder for years it has felt like we've been playing ping pong between two parties that seem to be on the same page, distracted by the drama when really, there are progressives on both sides, just victorious over the democratic party for now. That's why so many want to jump ship. Only traitors want to take down the Constitution.

We had no choice this last election. McCain, Obama, Hillary, all three of 'em are flaming progressives. No wonder it seemed hopeless.

It's not democrats that are the problem, it's the parasites that are sucking the life out of them right now. I hope they wake up fast and kick the progressives out. They could if they read their history and educated other democrats what Progressives are up to.

Most Americans don't WANT to be ruled by arrogant elitists treating us like idiots. We need to kick them out of the media and our education departments as well....FAST.

That's what Glenn Beck brought up. How Woodrow Wilson and Walter Litman (CBS) came up with the Council of Foreign Relations and developed the plan to take the media and education and teach the peasants away from the Constitution.

Both sides of the aisle need to wake up and kick these people out of power, or continue towards America, Marxist style.
 
I watched a good deal of it. The President was presidential. Where the Republicans talked about the good and welfare of the country openly and honestly, the President responded accordingly. Where they played politics, he slapped them into place.

Come on, Pubs, if we want to play, we gotta follow the rules. It's not hard, is it? Particularly if the other side controls the rule book right now, can change it on us, and make us look even more stupid than we do right now?

Nobody could possibly make you look any stupider than you already do! :razz:

By the way, Jokey, to assist you in your tiresome effort to fool anybody, you should probably know that, with very few exceptions, nobody who isn't a liberal Democratic refers to Republicans as "Pubs" or as "pubes."

No need to thank me, Jokey.


As to the "merits" of your post, you are largely wrong. The President seemed only marginally Presidential and even then just occasionally.

If you were objective (and, of course, you aren't) you'd also admit that he didn't effectively slap anyone. He tried. He failed. That might be his mantra. It should be.
No educated person would refer to the Democrat Party.
 
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I watched a good deal of it. The President was presidential. Where the Republicans talked about the good and welfare of the country openly and honestly, the President responded accordingly. Where they played politics, he slapped them into place.

Come on, Pubs, if we want to play, we gotta follow the rules. It's not hard, is it? Particularly if the other side controls the rule book right now, can change it on us, and make us look even more stupid than we do right now?

Nobody could possibly make you look any stupider than you already do! :razz:

By the way, Jokey, to assist you in your tiresome effort to fool anybody, you should probably know that, with very few exceptions, nobody who isn't a liberal Democratic refers to Republicans as "Pubs" or as "pubes."

No need to thank me, Jokey.


As to the "merits" of your post, you are largely wrong. The President seemed only marginally Presidential and even then just occasionally.

If you were objective (and, of course, you aren't) you'd also admit that he didn't effectively slap anyone. He tried. He failed. That might be his mantra. It should be.
No educated person would refer to the Democrat Party.

Wrong. Lots of educated people refer to that freak show as the Democrat Party.

Although, I am usually more fair and refer to it as the Democrat Parody. It is not really all that much like the former Democrat Party.

The Democratics in the Democrat Parody are led around like sheep by the far left wing Soros types. It's quite pathetic. Pathetic sort of like that lame-ass attempt you offered as a "rebuke," you moron.
 
No. Darkwind was right. The President said nothing. He used quite a few words to get there, but when he got there, he was nowhere. Why? Because, getting past your partisan but dishonest spin, he actually didn't say anything.

FoxNews did cover it, but not in the same fawning manner as MSLSD. Thus, they were clear enough in their thinking to break away from the non-news story. By sickening contrast, MSLSD is still having ograsms. I don't think it's just a thrill running UP the leg of those hacks.

Do you really believe Fox would pass up an opportunity to embarrass President Obama?

Fox broke away for one reason...the President was exposing that Republican rhetoric was based on right wing propaganda and Frank Luntz talking points, but little or no substance.

I liked watching it after hearing what Glenn Beck pointed out about Progressives. Suddenly Obama addressing the democrats as "my progressive friends" said volumes. Ane who was it that wrote something about kicking all the non-progressives out, get on board or get out. The democratic party has been destroyed and we're left with a majority of progressives, a bunch of arrogant elitists out to destroy the Constitution and put their own arrogant selves in power to rule or destroy all the idiots that don't fall in line with their goals.

No wonder for years it has felt like we've been playing ping pong between two parties that seem to be on the same page, distracted by the drama when really, there are progressives on both sides, just victorious over the democratic party for now. That's why so many want to jump ship. Only traitors want to take down the Constitution.

We had no choice this last election. McCain, Obama, Hillary, all three of 'em are flaming progressives. No wonder it seemed hopeless.

It's not democrats that are the problem, it's the parasites that are sucking the life out of them right now. I hope they wake up fast and kick the progressives out. They could if they read their history and educated other democrats what Progressives are up to.

Most Americans don't WANT to be ruled by arrogant elitists treating us like idiots. We need to kick them out of the media and our education departments as well....FAST.

That's what Glenn Beck brought up. How Woodrow Wilson and Walter Litman (CBS) came up with the Council of Foreign Relations and developed the plan to take the media and education and teach the peasants away from the Constitution.

Both sides of the aisle need to wake up and kick these people out of power, or continue towards America, Marxist style.
Antonin Scalia's father, Eugine Scalia, founded The American Fascist Party in 1934.
Antonin was one of the 5 voting to give corporations power to give unlimited funds to campaigns. Mussolini would have been proud, he said Fascism should be referred to as Corporatism.
WikiAnswers - Is there an American fascist party
 
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Thank you for teh dumbest post of the day. Innuendo, slander, unsubstantiated views all combine to make the biggest pile of shit on this board today.
Congratulations, moron.
 
Do you really believe Fox would pass up an opportunity to embarrass President Obama?

Fox broke away for one reason...the President was exposing that Republican rhetoric was based on right wing propaganda and Frank Luntz talking points, but little or no substance.

I liked watching it after hearing what Glenn Beck pointed out about Progressives. Suddenly Obama addressing the democrats as "my progressive friends" said volumes. Ane who was it that wrote something about kicking all the non-progressives out, get on board or get out. The democratic party has been destroyed and we're left with a majority of progressives, a bunch of arrogant elitists out to destroy the Constitution and put their own arrogant selves in power to rule or destroy all the idiots that don't fall in line with their goals.

No wonder for years it has felt like we've been playing ping pong between two parties that seem to be on the same page, distracted by the drama when really, there are progressives on both sides, just victorious over the democratic party for now. That's why so many want to jump ship. Only traitors want to take down the Constitution.

We had no choice this last election. McCain, Obama, Hillary, all three of 'em are flaming progressives. No wonder it seemed hopeless.

It's not democrats that are the problem, it's the parasites that are sucking the life out of them right now. I hope they wake up fast and kick the progressives out. They could if they read their history and educated other democrats what Progressives are up to.

Most Americans don't WANT to be ruled by arrogant elitists treating us like idiots. We need to kick them out of the media and our education departments as well....FAST.

That's what Glenn Beck brought up. How Woodrow Wilson and Walter Litman (CBS) came up with the Council of Foreign Relations and developed the plan to take the media and education and teach the peasants away from the Constitution.

Both sides of the aisle need to wake up and kick these people out of power, or continue towards America, Marxist style.
Antonin Scalia's father, Eugine Scalia, founded The American Fascist Party in 1934.
Antonin was one of the 5 voting to give corporations power to give unlimited funds to campaigns. Mussolini would have been proud, he said Fascism should be referred to as Corporatism.
WikiAnswers - Is there an American fascist party

LOL!

Wiki-fuckin'-Answers? :cuckoo:

You moron.

One source (a very biased attorney who dislikes the Scalia view of his litigation) smeared Justice Scalia by claiming "People don't understand what Scalia is all about. Look at his history - his father ran the American fascist party in New York." -- Rebecca Abrahams: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce: Assault on Justice

If you dig a little bit furhter you discover that ******* Alan Dershowitz also claimed that he went to school at the same time as the elder Scalia and he (Dershy) was aware of Mr. Scalia's ties to some Italian groups -- which included some with the then not uncommon general support of Italians for Mussolini.

Other sources say that the elder Scalia was a member of (not a founder or the founder or the guy who ran) the NY chapter of the Fascist Party.

You paint with a very broad brush, you are indifferent to actual facts and are the kind of scumbag who is content to visiting the (even just alleged) sins of the father on the child when it suits your cheap purposes.

You remain a ******* hack.
 
I liked watching it after hearing what Glenn Beck pointed out about Progressives. Suddenly Obama addressing the democrats as "my progressive friends" said volumes. Ane who was it that wrote something about kicking all the non-progressives out, get on board or get out. The democratic party has been destroyed and we're left with a majority of progressives, a bunch of arrogant elitists out to destroy the Constitution and put their own arrogant selves in power to rule or destroy all the idiots that don't fall in line with their goals.

No wonder for years it has felt like we've been playing ping pong between two parties that seem to be on the same page, distracted by the drama when really, there are progressives on both sides, just victorious over the democratic party for now. That's why so many want to jump ship. Only traitors want to take down the Constitution.

We had no choice this last election. McCain, Obama, Hillary, all three of 'em are flaming progressives. No wonder it seemed hopeless.

It's not democrats that are the problem, it's the parasites that are sucking the life out of them right now. I hope they wake up fast and kick the progressives out. They could if they read their history and educated other democrats what Progressives are up to.

Most Americans don't WANT to be ruled by arrogant elitists treating us like idiots. We need to kick them out of the media and our education departments as well....FAST.

That's what Glenn Beck brought up. How Woodrow Wilson and Walter Litman (CBS) came up with the Council of Foreign Relations and developed the plan to take the media and education and teach the peasants away from the Constitution.

Both sides of the aisle need to wake up and kick these people out of power, or continue towards America, Marxist style.
Antonin Scalia's father, Eugine Scalia, founded The American Fascist Party in 1934.
Antonin was one of the 5 voting to give corporations power to give unlimited funds to campaigns. Mussolini would have been proud, he said Fascism should be referred to as Corporatism.
WikiAnswers - Is there an American fascist party

LOL!

Wiki-fuckin'-Answers? :cuckoo:

You moron.

One source (a very biased attorney who dislikes the Scalia view of his litigation) smeared Justice Scalia by claiming "People don't understand what Scalia is all about. Look at his history - his father ran the American fascist party in New York." -- Rebecca Abrahams: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce: Assault on Justice

If you dig a little bit furhter you discover that ******* Alan Dershowitz also claimed that he went to school at the same time as the elder Scalia and he (Dershy) was aware of Mr. Scalia's ties to some Italian groups -- which included some with the then not uncommon general support of Italians for Mussolini.

Other sources say that the elder Scalia was a member of (not a founder or the founder or the guy who ran) the NY chapter of the Fascist Party.

You paint with a very broad brush, you are indifferent to actual facts and are the kind of scumbag who is content to visiting the (even just alleged) sins of the father on the child when it suits your cheap purposes.

You remain a ******* hack.
Thanks for the Huffington Post article that confirms my post.
Odd, isn't it that the son of a Fascist just gave such power to the corporations?
Fascism = Corporatism
 
Dude, you've just been pwned. give it up. It makes you look pitiful.
 
Antonin Scalia's father, Eugine Scalia, founded The American Fascist Party in 1934.
Antonin was one of the 5 voting to give corporations power to give unlimited funds to campaigns. Mussolini would have been proud, he said Fascism should be referred to as Corporatism.
WikiAnswers - Is there an American fascist party

LOL!

Wiki-fuckin'-Answers? :cuckoo:

You moron.

One source (a very biased attorney who dislikes the Scalia view of his litigation) smeared Justice Scalia by claiming "People don't understand what Scalia is all about. Look at his history - his father ran the American fascist party in New York." -- Rebecca Abrahams: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce: Assault on Justice

If you dig a little bit furhter you discover that ******* Alan Dershowitz also claimed that he went to school at the same time as the elder Scalia and he (Dershy) was aware of Mr. Scalia's ties to some Italian groups -- which included some with the then not uncommon general support of Italians for Mussolini.

Other sources say that the elder Scalia was a member of (not a founder or the founder or the guy who ran) the NY chapter of the Fascist Party.

You paint with a very broad brush, you are indifferent to actual facts and are the kind of scumbag who is content to visiting the (even just alleged) sins of the father on the child when it suits your cheap purposes.

You remain a ******* hack.
Thanks for the Huffington Post article that confirms my post.
Odd, isn't it that the son of a Fascist just gave such power to the corporations?
Fascism = Corporatism

The Huff-n-Puff Post is hardly the bastion of credibility, hack.

And the son of an Italo-American who was, in his day, like so many other Italo-Americans, a supporter of Mussolini is NOT necessarily the same as his father.

Supporting a right of a corporation in America to the very Freedom of Speech that the Constitution forbids Congress from making laws that abridge it is not the same thing as Corporatism. And not all corporatism is fascism, anyway.

So, aside from getting each and every one of your would-be "points" wrong, I'd have to tell you in all candor, your post wasn't terrible.

Of course, once we take into account that all of your points were wrong, your post does kinda qualify as hdieously useless and stupid. You remain a hack.
 
Liberals have repeatedly denied that we're going to ration healthcare to Granny. But just who is it that decides what is "waste"? How is that determination made? How is it that we have nearly a HALF TRILLION dollars in "waste" and no heads have rolled? How can we trust a central government that has already tolerated a half trillion dollars in "waste" without addressing it before now? If they knew it was there, why didn't they ALREADY do something about it?

You guys are really quick to complain about the use of the phrase "death panel", but what else would you call it when THE GOVERNMENT dictates healthcare choices to patients? [And before you start squawking about how insurance companies dictate patient choice as well... be prepared, because my next question will be WHY do you stand with them instead of against them in the matter of limited competition? Holding insurance choices to a half dozen or less per state makes it EASIER, not harder, for insurance providers to ration treatment.
Certainly you're aware that rationing takes place everyday and is done by private insurance. As an example, the poor girl who died because Cigna wouldn't give her a liver transplant, is just one of thousands of similar cases.

Did I not warn you what my next question would be? :eusa_eh: (See above in bold)

So... why don't you educate the class on how limiting competition to just a handful of companies per state is going to stop insurance companies from rationing care and bring down costs. And tell us why they wouldn't be shitting their pants if they were forced to compete for business with 1300 other companies nationwide.

I'll be back later. I expect it'll take awhile for you to shovel that much bullshit out of the barn.

Still no answer? Anybody? .... Bueller?......... Bueller? :eusa_eh:
 
This statement, "Holding insurance choices to a half dozen or less per state makes it EASIER, not harder, for insurance providers to ration treatment" is false. Think about it, folks. If the representative pool is huge, the insurance companies are going to wet down their legs to get hundreds of thousands or millions of clients. Five or six or sixty, the low bid is going to be much lower than what the douche bag companies and their supporters are willing to offer now.
 
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That isn't true, he was all over every issue they threw at him. It's really simple, he was the one prepared, not the Rs.

The Rs were like the R posters here thinking they are so much smarter than Obama. They really aren't. They may want to coast to the elections in November but the president doesn't seem ready to allow that.

He was excellent and you would do well to watch the thing if you haven't. It's probably on Youtube.

Apparently Mike Pence is supposed to be one of their brighter bulbs, too. Pathetic, huh?

Most of them were reading off pieces of paper. They always make fun of Obama for using a teleprompter but they were so ill prepared, they had to read their questions to the president.

:eusa_snooty:

Great point, Sarah!! You're right. They sure did all have to read from some little paper. :lol:
 
Well in this debate I must admit you have a clear advantage...I call it the utopian right wing solution...there is never any cost in human capital in right wing solutions...everyone would agree with you scum bags if men women and children and the aged would evaporate.

You right wing pea brains need to send the kids off to the factories for pennies a day, work 7 days a week for peanuts, see you neighbor come home from work in a box, watch Grandma and Grandpa struggle from being forced to work until they die and forfeit all YOU'VE gained off the sweat and blood those hated 'progressives'

THEN, you would have to grow the spine to fight for those things yourself...

the REPUBLICAN plan...THAT would be the cartel run health care system we HAVE... otherwise Republicans would have addressed it in all those years they were in power after they sabotaged Clinton's plan. Oh I forgot...they DID pass the biggest unpaid entitlement plan that was a windfall for the cartels...Medicare D, you know, the one that screws Grandma and Grandpa.

The current "we have ideas' reactionary Republican 'plan' is a joke and a huge rip off... it costs 1/2 as much, but would only cover less than 1/10 as many people. Only a pea brain would not be able to do THAT math...

Oh... cry me a river. It's not Republicans who plan to defund Medicare of nearly a half trillion dollars in order to fund their healthcare folly. It's not Republicans who plan to dictate treatment options in the guise of Comparative Effectiveness Research. Not Bush who would give Grannie "a pill" rather than bypass surgery. It's not the Republican plan which guarantees business as usual for the "insurance cartels".

And you are most welcome to show me any example of Republicans pushing FOR child labor. :rolleyes:
Good grief, man. What a reach. Although, Lord knows, teenagers who NEED jobs, who need the life experience of learning to work, can't find them anymore. Everything this administration does is designed to discourage employers from taking on part-time workers. Why pay healthcare for 20 part-timers if you can pay for 8 full-timers?

YOUR version of "compassion" robs from one citizen to ostensibly improve the life of another. But under the "progressive" system we've experienced for decades, our cities are crumbling and our citizens are enslaved by debt. If your way worked, why hasn't it worked in the cities and states where progressives reign supreme?

Yea, Democrats are going to defund Medicare by cutting the tentacles private cartels now have into it...they're going to cut into corporate socialism and welfare...poor babies!

Medicare...a program that wouldn't exist if it weren't for Democrats and progressives. Now the Democrats and progressives want to 'off' the people Medicare saved?:cuckoo:

I thought you right wingers were business savvy? The way to lower costs in any industry is through what you slander as Comparative Effectiveness Research. Responsible adults and business people call it 'best practices' or 'evidence based practices'. Heaven forbid a doctor or a hospital have access to a database of proven methods and practices! There are models like the Mayo Clinic that have lowered cost AND improved out comes.

Compassion? Your version of socialism and welfare never applies when it's corporations gaining subsidies that undermine a true free market. They are allowed to pass along their costs and wastes to you and me. We get to pay for it with our money, our health and our lives. Bringing illness and even death to Americans is acceptable by the right..why is that?

Child labor reform - Damn progressives! Don't they know the negative impacts on the right's beloved corporate bottom line!

In the early decades of the twentieth century, the numbers of child laborers in the U.S. peaked. Child labor began to decline as the labor and reform movements grew and labor standards in general began improving, increasing the political power of working people and other social reformers to demand legislation regulating child labor. Union organizing and child labor reform were often intertwined, and common initiatives were conducted by organizations led by working women and middle class consumers, such as state Consumers’ Leagues and Working Women’s Societies. These organizations generated the National Consumers’ League in 1899 and the National Child Labor Committee in 1904, which shared goals of challenging child labor, including through anti-sweatshop campaigns and labeling programs. The National Child Labor Committee’s work to end child labor was combined with efforts to provide free, compulsory education for all children, and culminated in the passage of the Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938, which set federal standards for child labor.

WHAT we've experienced for decades in America is crumbling and decline as a direct result of the Republican's systematic dismantling of the New Deal and turning their backs on REAL compassionate Republicans like Dwight Eisenhower and Goldwater, who were builders not destroyers. Our cities and society's decline took seed during the Nixon administration when we last had a living wage in this country. I was alive to witness it.

The middle class in America is standing on the precipice of the Banzai Cliffs of Saipan and you right wing Republicans are yelling 'jump'

But don't feel bad...decades of right wing rule made America number one in one area...

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Have you ever heard of a bleeding heart Republican?
Paul Craig Roberts - the father of Reaganomics

You understand that the only purpose of Comparative Effectiveness Research is to ration care, right? You further understand that the government seizure of our private medical records is a violation of our rights under the U.S. Constitution? :eusa_eh:

How on God's Good Earth is that in anyways okay for you??? I'm astonished that ANYONE would defend this crap.

The federal government isn't a business that we can choose to patron, or not. All government is essentially force. Do you honestly think that the government won't eventually USE whatever information it collects?
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. "
--George Washington


As far as your comments about socialism and welfare as they pertain to corporations... where the **** do you get that? It's asinine. Not only do I view for-profit businesses as "corporations", but I also view non-profit special interests as "corporations". And when it comes to taxpayer funded "welfare", they're both the same in my book. Frankly, as a defender of Barack Obama and his leftist regime, you're a helluva lot closer to embracing fascism than I ever will be. I personally don't think we should be bailing out banks or auto companies... or ACORN.

And PLEASE... show me a Republican-sponsored bill in Congress that promotes child labor. You're scraping bottom looking for ways to criticize Republicans. It's pitiful.


On your comments about the U.S. prison population... THAT is an interesting subject, one that I've not studied upon. Probably a good thread sometime. Off the top of my head, I'd have to say that Reagan's "War on Drugs" would be a factor, as well as the trend toward Rehabilitation. beginning in the late 60's and early 70's, that appears not to have worked all that well. Frankly, cable TV and well-equipped gymnasiums, three squares a day, free healthcare, education, and legal service doesn't seem like really good deterrents to prevent recidivism. And while I wouldn't mind exploring a Libertarian view on drug use... I think that would have to be coupled with a complete withdrawal of social services to drug abusers. We shouldn't have to FUND someone else's bad choices.

You see how that works like government-funded healthcare, don't you? If I have to pay, then I have a say. Which is one of the reasons why we don't want government making our healthcare choices for us. ;)
 
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(sigh) Libertarianism as a philosophy is nothing more than "get off my property." All this stuff about economic liberty is fine and dandy until your daughter goes down on the drug dealer to get her fix, and then you cry for laws. Weep elsewhere, huh?
 
(sigh) Libertarianism as a philosophy is nothing more than "get off my property." All this stuff about economic liberty is fine and dandy until your daughter goes down on the drug dealer to get her fix, and then you cry for laws. Weep elsewhere, huh?

Please feel free to post any example of libertarians doing that. It doesn't even have to be from this site.
Once again, you are "Jake, King of the Unsubstantiated Statement."
 

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