Alien Life? You better hope God exists!

[Fort Fun Indiana]

His is actually possible. Yours is imaginary

Huh? You cant prove unicorns are impossible. Go ahead, try.

And you need to understand how poor this line of argument is. To say something is "not impossible" is not a compelling argument for the truth of it.

 

[sealybobo]

Please tell me in all the universe there is something smarter than us. There must be.

I think it's likely, but we both know that's a bit of a wild guess. I do not think it is likely that we will ever encounter such organisms.

We can’t even communicate with dolphin how we gonna communicate with something so smart. We would be stupid monkeys to them. Same as monkeys are to us.

But I agree the amount of distance is impossible to comprehend.

Like I don’t believe gods hiding I also don’t believe aliens are either

 

[sealybobo]

His is actually possible. Yours is imaginary

Huh? You cant prove unicorns are impossible. Go ahead, try.

And you need to understand how poor this line of argument is. To say something is "not impossible" is not a compelling argument for the truth of it.

Well there’s no evidence of life on other planets but most scientists believe there is. How many believe in unicorns?

As for them having the ability to make it this far? Chances are slim but still better than unicorns or leprechaun because we know we made these things up.

 

[Taz]

Because we were apelike for millions of years and only recently have we become intelligent. It wasn’t by accident.

Wow, lots of things wrong there. For one, we are still apes, and thus we are still very apelike. Likewise, trees are treelike. Second, the differences in "intelligence" between us and other apes comes in DEGREES, not in kind. That is compelling evidence AGAINST your implication of some special, single, watershed event that cannot be explained by evolution.

Third, you are not arguing your claim, you are merely reiterating it. Your terms are undefined, as are the events that happened "recently". What is "apeloke"? What changed , EXACTLY, and when did it change?

Fourth, you mention "millions of years" as if it is a long time. That's not even a blink, on geological and evolutionary time scales.

Furthermore, your use of the word "accident" is not appropriate. Natural selection is not random. Birds did not evolve wings "by accident".

Have you even bothered to look into the proposed scientific hypotheses for the emergence of our special degree of intelligence? There are several, and any (or all of them together) can explain this emergence. There is no need to add magical.claims to the mix.

Nothing "magical" about aliens messing with our dna. Why do you suppose people are STILL being abducted today and then returned back to earth? I'll tell you, we're an on-going experiment.

(1)You might still be like an ape, your thought process is very rudimentary and thus ape-like, (2) and I can understand that you think of yourself as not much smarter than a monkey. (3) What changed is that we went from ape creatures to beings that travel though space in about 50,000 years or so. (4) Evolution doesn't act that fast. (5) Which means that natural selection didn't have enough time to act. Nothing magical about any of it.

 

[hobelim]

Because we were apelike for millions of years and only recently have we become intelligent. It wasn’t by accident.

Wow, lots of things wrong there. For one, we are still apes, and thus we are still very apelike. Likewise, trees are treelike. Second, the differences in "intelligence" between us and other apes comes in DEGREES, not in kind. That is compelling evidence AGAINST your implication of some special, single, watershed event that cannot be explained by evolution.

Third, you are not arguing your claim, you are merely reiterating it. Your terms are undefined, as are the events that happened "recently". What is "apeloke"? What changed , EXACTLY, and when did it change?

Fourth, you mention "millions of years" as if it is a long time. That's not even a blink, on geological and evolutionary time scales.

Furthermore, your use of the word "accident" is not appropriate. Natural selection is not random. Birds did not evolve wings "by accident".

Have you even bothered to look into the proposed scientific hypotheses for the emergence of our special degree of intelligence? There are several, and any (or all of them together) can explain this emergence. There is no need to add magical.claims to the mix.

Nothing "magical" about aliens messing with our dna. Why do you suppose people are STILL being abducted today and then returned back to earth? I'll tell you, we're an on-going experiment.

(1)You might still be like an ape, your thought process is very rudimentary and thus ape-like, (2) and I can understand that you think of yourself as not much smarter than a monkey. (3) What changed is that we went from ape creatures to beings that travel though space in about 50,000 years or so. (4) Evolution doesn't act that fast. (5) Which means that natural selection didn't have enough time to act. Nothing magical about any of it.

A fun fact is that a full 8% of human DNA isn't even human at all, its the DNA of an ancient virus that somehow became a part of the human genome around 750,000 years ago...

It might mean nothing but scientists have learned that altering genes causes brain and behavioral changes in mice..

 

[sealybobo]

Because we were apelike for millions of years and only recently have we become intelligent. It wasn’t by accident.

Wow, lots of things wrong there. For one, we are still apes, and thus we are still very apelike. Likewise, trees are treelike. Second, the differences in "intelligence" between us and other apes comes in DEGREES, not in kind. That is compelling evidence AGAINST your implication of some special, single, watershed event that cannot be explained by evolution.

Third, you are not arguing your claim, you are merely reiterating it. Your terms are undefined, as are the events that happened "recently". What is "apeloke"? What changed , EXACTLY, and when did it change?

Fourth, you mention "millions of years" as if it is a long time. That's not even a blink, on geological and evolutionary time scales.

Furthermore, your use of the word "accident" is not appropriate. Natural selection is not random. Birds did not evolve wings "by accident".

Have you even bothered to look into the proposed scientific hypotheses for the emergence of our special degree of intelligence? There are several, and any (or all of them together) can explain this emergence. There is no need to add magical.claims to the mix.

Nothing "magical" about aliens messing with our dna. Why do you suppose people are STILL being abducted today and then returned back to earth? I'll tell you, we're an on-going experiment.

(1)You might still be like an ape, your thought process is very rudimentary and thus ape-like, (2) and I can understand that you think of yourself as not much smarter than a monkey. (3) What changed is that we went from ape creatures to beings that travel though space in about 50,000 years or so. (4) Evolution doesn't act that fast. (5) Which means that natural selection didn't have enough time to act. Nothing magical about any of it.

A fun fact is that a full 8% of human DNA isn't even human at all, its the DNA of an ancient virus that somehow became a part of the human genome around 750,000 years ago...

It might mean nothing but scientists have learned that altering genes causes brain and behavioral changes in mice..

What does it mean to be human? We are related to every living creature and we most likely came from a comet or meteor so we probably all have that 8% difference. Even frogs and mice

 

[hobelim]

Because we were apelike for millions of years and only recently have we become intelligent. It wasn’t by accident.

Wow, lots of things wrong there. For one, we are still apes, and thus we are still very apelike. Likewise, trees are treelike. Second, the differences in "intelligence" between us and other apes comes in DEGREES, not in kind. That is compelling evidence AGAINST your implication of some special, single, watershed event that cannot be explained by evolution.

Third, you are not arguing your claim, you are merely reiterating it. Your terms are undefined, as are the events that happened "recently". What is "apeloke"? What changed , EXACTLY, and when did it change?

Fourth, you mention "millions of years" as if it is a long time. That's not even a blink, on geological and evolutionary time scales.

Furthermore, your use of the word "accident" is not appropriate. Natural selection is not random. Birds did not evolve wings "by accident".

Have you even bothered to look into the proposed scientific hypotheses for the emergence of our special degree of intelligence? There are several, and any (or all of them together) can explain this emergence. There is no need to add magical.claims to the mix.

Nothing "magical" about aliens messing with our dna. Why do you suppose people are STILL being abducted today and then returned back to earth? I'll tell you, we're an on-going experiment.

(1)You might still be like an ape, your thought process is very rudimentary and thus ape-like, (2) and I can understand that you think of yourself as not much smarter than a monkey. (3) What changed is that we went from ape creatures to beings that travel though space in about 50,000 years or so. (4) Evolution doesn't act that fast. (5) Which means that natural selection didn't have enough time to act. Nothing magical about any of it.

A fun fact is that a full 8% of human DNA isn't even human at all, its the DNA of an ancient virus that somehow became a part of the human genome around 750,000 years ago...

It might mean nothing but scientists have learned that altering genes causes brain and behavioral changes in mice..

What does it mean to be human? We are related to every living creature and we most likely came from a comet or meteor so we probably all have that 8% difference. Even frogs and mice

What does it mean to be human? We are related to every living creature so we probably all have that difference?

Don't be silly, professor.

 

[sealybobo]

Because we were apelike for millions of years and only recently have we become intelligent. It wasn’t by accident.

Wow, lots of things wrong there. For one, we are still apes, and thus we are still very apelike. Likewise, trees are treelike. Second, the differences in "intelligence" between us and other apes comes in DEGREES, not in kind. That is compelling evidence AGAINST your implication of some special, single, watershed event that cannot be explained by evolution.

Third, you are not arguing your claim, you are merely reiterating it. Your terms are undefined, as are the events that happened "recently". What is "apeloke"? What changed , EXACTLY, and when did it change?

Fourth, you mention "millions of years" as if it is a long time. That's not even a blink, on geological and evolutionary time scales.

Furthermore, your use of the word "accident" is not appropriate. Natural selection is not random. Birds did not evolve wings "by accident".

Have you even bothered to look into the proposed scientific hypotheses for the emergence of our special degree of intelligence? There are several, and any (or all of them together) can explain this emergence. There is no need to add magical.claims to the mix.

Nothing "magical" about aliens messing with our dna. Why do you suppose people are STILL being abducted today and then returned back to earth? I'll tell you, we're an on-going experiment.

(1)You might still be like an ape, your thought process is very rudimentary and thus ape-like, (2) and I can understand that you think of yourself as not much smarter than a monkey. (3) What changed is that we went from ape creatures to beings that travel though space in about 50,000 years or so. (4) Evolution doesn't act that fast. (5) Which means that natural selection didn't have enough time to act. Nothing magical about any of it.

A fun fact is that a full 8% of human DNA isn't even human at all, its the DNA of an ancient virus that somehow became a part of the human genome around 750,000 years ago...

It might mean nothing but scientists have learned that altering genes causes brain and behavioral changes in mice..

What does it mean to be human? We are related to every living creature and we most likely came from a comet or meteor so we probably all have that 8% difference. Even frogs and mice

What does it mean to be human? We are related to every living creature so we probably all have that difference?

Don't be silly, professor.

Well do we or don’t we? We are all made from stars that blew up billions of years ago. Our molecules and dna were cooked up in their furnaces. You are a part of the universe.

Where do you think the earth and you came from?

 

[hobelim]

Wow, lots of things wrong there. For one, we are still apes, and thus we are still very apelike. Likewise, trees are treelike. Second, the differences in "intelligence" between us and other apes comes in DEGREES, not in kind. That is compelling evidence AGAINST your implication of some special, single, watershed event that cannot be explained by evolution.

Third, you are not arguing your claim, you are merely reiterating it. Your terms are undefined, as are the events that happened "recently". What is "apeloke"? What changed , EXACTLY, and when did it change?

Fourth, you mention "millions of years" as if it is a long time. That's not even a blink, on geological and evolutionary time scales.

Furthermore, your use of the word "accident" is not appropriate. Natural selection is not random. Birds did not evolve wings "by accident".

Have you even bothered to look into the proposed scientific hypotheses for the emergence of our special degree of intelligence? There are several, and any (or all of them together) can explain this emergence. There is no need to add magical.claims to the mix.

Nothing "magical" about aliens messing with our dna. Why do you suppose people are STILL being abducted today and then returned back to earth? I'll tell you, we're an on-going experiment.

(1)You might still be like an ape, your thought process is very rudimentary and thus ape-like, (2) and I can understand that you think of yourself as not much smarter than a monkey. (3) What changed is that we went from ape creatures to beings that travel though space in about 50,000 years or so. (4) Evolution doesn't act that fast. (5) Which means that natural selection didn't have enough time to act. Nothing magical about any of it.

A fun fact is that a full 8% of human DNA isn't even human at all, its the DNA of an ancient virus that somehow became a part of the human genome around 750,000 years ago...

It might mean nothing but scientists have learned that altering genes causes brain and behavioral changes in mice..

What does it mean to be human? We are related to every living creature and we most likely came from a comet or meteor so we probably all have that 8% difference. Even frogs and mice

What does it mean to be human? We are related to every living creature so we probably all have that difference?

Don't be silly, professor.

Well do we or don’t we? We are all made from stars that blew up billions of years ago. Our molecules and dna were cooked up in their furnaces. You are a part of the universe.

Where do you think the earth and you came from?

I was just showing that a bornavirus that usually only affects only hoofed mammals and birds became a fixture in the human genome around 750,000 years ago.

Knowing that viruses can alter brain chemistry, thoughts and behavior, because scientists have altered the brain chemistry and behavior in mice by deliberately causing viral genetic mutations, it becomes plausible that a more highly advanced form of intelligent life could easily have done the same to our apelike ancestors in the past with the specific intent to make us more like them so that communication between worlds and intelligences would become possible in the fullness of time.

If there was no periodic intervention, like farmers tending a field, the odds are that our apelike ancestors would have remained more like the rest of the wild animals on the planet instead of the strange creatures that we have become seemingly so out of place in this world.

 

[sealybobo]

Nothing "magical" about aliens messing with our dna. Why do you suppose people are STILL being abducted today and then returned back to earth? I'll tell you, we're an on-going experiment.

(1)You might still be like an ape, your thought process is very rudimentary and thus ape-like, (2) and I can understand that you think of yourself as not much smarter than a monkey. (3) What changed is that we went from ape creatures to beings that travel though space in about 50,000 years or so. (4) Evolution doesn't act that fast. (5) Which means that natural selection didn't have enough time to act. Nothing magical about any of it.

A fun fact is that a full 8% of human DNA isn't even human at all, its the DNA of an ancient virus that somehow became a part of the human genome around 750,000 years ago...

It might mean nothing but scientists have learned that altering genes causes brain and behavioral changes in mice..

What does it mean to be human? We are related to every living creature and we most likely came from a comet or meteor so we probably all have that 8% difference. Even frogs and mice

What does it mean to be human? We are related to every living creature so we probably all have that difference?

Don't be silly, professor.

Well do we or don’t we? We are all made from stars that blew up billions of years ago. Our molecules and dna were cooked up in their furnaces. You are a part of the universe.

Where do you think the earth and you came from?

I was just showing that a bornavirus that usually only affects only hoofed mammals and birds became a fixture in the human genome around 750,000 years ago.

Knowing that viruses can alter brain chemistry, thoughts and behavior, because scientists have altered the brain chemistry and behavior in mice by deliberately causing genetic mutations, it becomes plausible that a more highly advanced form of intelligent life could easily have done the same to our apelike ancestors in the past with the specific intent to make us more like them so that communication between worlds and intelligences would become possible in the fulness of time.

Could you imagine if we mistakenly made an intelligent rat? They could take us out if they knew better

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well there’s no evidence of life on other planets but most scientists believe there is.

But that's a far cry from believing intelligent alien species not only exist, but came here and interfered with our evolution. I would say the number of scientists who believe that is roughly equal to the number who believe in unicorns.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Nothing "magical" about aliens messing with our dna

Haha...oh really? Then explain it. How they got here, how they did it, etc.

Why do you suppose people are STILL being abducted today and then returned back to earth?

You don't have a shred of evidence for this nonsense.

(1)You might still be like an ape, your thought process is very rudimentary and thus ape-like,

Sissy little copout on your part....we are both apelike,...in fact, we are both apes .

(3) What changed is that we went from ape creatures to beings that travel though space in about 50,000 years or so.

This is silly and arbitrary. Where did you get this number? What standard did you use? What evidence did you use to arrive at it? And again....we are still ape creatures.

You say evolution doesnt "act that fast", but nobody but you could possibly know what it means when you say such a vague thing.. "Fast"...from what, to what? Show me the endpoints. Delineate the differences. Then we can scrutinize your argument.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

A fun fact is that a full 8% of human DNA isn't even human at all, its the DNA of an ancient virus that somehow became a part of the human genome around 750,000 years ago...

Not entirely accurate. The 8% is an collection of almost all partial viral code that has accumulated over hundreds of millions of years. It is not signigicantly due to any one event.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

so we probably all have that 8% difference. Even frogs and mice

You are absolutely, 100% correct. While the "8%" number may vary, we find this viral content is present in all the vertebrates we check.

 

[hobelim]

A fun fact is that a full 8% of human DNA isn't even human at all, its the DNA of an ancient virus that somehow became a part of the human genome around 750,000 years ago...

Not entirely accurate. The 8% is an collection of almost all partial viral code that has accumulated over hundreds of millions of years. It is not signigicantly due to any one event.

Sure, but among those fragments and partial code there is a fully intact virus. I could be wrong, you should double check.

And I didn't say it was one event.

Humans have become domesticated. Its highly unlikely it was a result of our own accord.

Dogs would not exist if we had not affected their evolution over time.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If there was no periodic intervention, like farmers tending a field, the odds are that our apelike ancestors would have remained more like the rest of the wild animals on the plane

Uh...I think we're going to need to see your math on that one.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sure, but among those fragments and partial code there is a fully intact virus.

Sometimes. Not in everyone, it seems.

 

[hobelim]

If there was no periodic intervention, like farmers tending a field, the odds are that our apelike ancestors would have remained more like the rest of the wild animals on the plane

Uh...I think we're going to need to see your math on that one.

I used the reverse mathematical theory.

In the past hundreds of millions of years, how many wild species have domesticated themselves?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If there was no periodic intervention, like farmers tending a field, the odds are that our apelike ancestors would have remained more like the rest of the wild animals on the plane

Uh...I think we're going to need to see your math on that one.

I used the reverse mathematical theory.

In the past hundreds of millions of years, how many wild species have domesticated themselves?

Ha, no Hobelim. Spare me the used car salesman tactics. You are not questioning me. You are tasked with showing the math or the arguments behind your claim.

 

[Taz]

Nothing "magical" about aliens messing with our dna

Haha...oh really? Then explain it. How they got here, how they did it, etc.

Why do you suppose people are STILL being abducted today and then returned back to earth?

You don't have a shred of evidence for this nonsense.

(1)You might still be like an ape, your thought process is very rudimentary and thus ape-like,

Sissy little copout on your part....we are both apelike,...in fact, we are both apes .

(3) What changed is that we went from ape creatures to beings that travel though space in about 50,000 years or so.

This is silly and arbitrary. Where did you get this number? What standard did you use? What evidence did you use to arrive at it? And again....we are still ape creatures.

You say evolution doesnt "act that fast", but nobody but you could possibly know what it means when you say such a vague thing.. "Fast"...from what, to what? Show me the endpoints. Delineate the differences. Then we can scrutinize your argument.

Aliens come here, mess with the dna of an ape-like species and voila! Here we are.
Yes, tons of people have been abducted. And plenty of proof if you care to look.
Are you black? Is that why you insist that you're an ape?
So tell me, which other species on earth has made hardware to travel through space? Since you don't think we're anything special... We'll wait.