"Ali" - The Man, The Myth, The Moron

[DGS49]

One could argue that the person who called himself "Ali" was the best heavyweight boxer of all time. In my memory, it is questionable whether he ever fought anyone in his "prime" who could box like Larry Holmes, or punched like the pre-BusterDouglas Tyson, but, whatever... The argument can be made, with some justification in the record.

Obviously, I never met the man, so can say nothing about his character or personality. I only know the public persona, which was a cancer.

A few things that you young-'uns may not know:

(1) Cassius Clay was a high-functioning moron. He was originally classified "4-F" because he scored "below stupid" on the Armed Forces Qualifying Test, but in '69 or '70, they lowered the minimum passing score to his level, and he was promoted to 1-A. Regardless, he was dumb as a rock. Most of the sayings for which he was noted were either fed to him by others, or could have been created by any cogent 12-year-old.

(2) Cassius Clay only adopted "The Nation of Islam" (and changed his name) when a couple of their lackeys convinced him that he could evade the draft and make himself into a cultural Icon by joining their now-thoroughly-discredited religion. Note that he claimed a draft deferment NOT because he was opposed to war, or even that he opposed the Vietnam war, but rather because he claimed to be an ORDAINED MINISTER for the Nation of Islam. The Court concluded that although this was dubious bullshit, no one could prove it was dubious bullshit. And of course he never was any kind of an ordained anything, and he never adhered in any measurable way to the dietary or behavioral guidelines of that quasi-religion. He - like the religion itself - was a total fraud. His only semi-coherent remark on the whole episode (which lasted years) was that, 'I ain't got no quarrel with no Viet Congs." See (1) above. That statement, you might note, had nothing to do with his draft "position," and in fact, his lawyers emphasized that he was not specifically opposed to the Vietnam War because that would not have justified his C.O. claim.

(3) Cassius Clay single-handedly provided an example for boorish mainly-Negro athletes to abandon any semblance of class and grace in either winning or losing in sports. You never, ever, ever heard Joe Louis, or Floyd Patterson, or Sonny Liston belittle their opponents or brag about how great they were. (or for that matter, Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield, etc.). It would have been considered over-the-top and would have made them pariah's. For this innovation alone, he should be considered a piece of cultural garbage. Every time you see some jackass dancing around in the End Zone after doing what they are paid handsomely to do, credit the spectacle of "Muhammad Ali," who made horrible, public self-aggrandizement "acceptable."

(4) He left a string of illegitimate children - as Rush Limbaugh would put it - "all cross the fruited plain." From all indications, he had the sexual morals of a barnyard animal for as long as he was physically able to have them.

(5) His popularity in the so-called "Black Community" (and the global community) is based almost entirely on the dubious proposition that he forever told The White Man to fuck off, and in the end, got away with it. It would be interesting indeed to list the dozens of white men working behind the scenes to plan his life and manage his personal affairs - something he was generally incapable of doing for himself.

(6) He was never so eloquent as when the Parkinson's forced him to S.T.F.U.

The honors now being bestowed on this disaster of a human being are nauseating. May he remain dead for all time.

But he was a really good boxer.

 

[katsteve2012]

One could argue that the person who called himself "Ali" was the best heavyweight boxer of all time. In my memory, it is questionable whether he ever fought anyone in his "prime" who could box like Larry Holmes, or punched like the pre-BusterDouglas Tyson, but, whatever... The argument can be made, with some justification in the record.

Obviously, I never met the man, so can say nothing about his character or personality. I only know the public persona, which was a cancer.

A few things that you young-'uns may not know:

(1) Cassius Clay was a high-functioning moron. He was originally classified "4-F" because he scored "below stupid" on the Armed Forces Qualifying Test, but in '69 or '70, they lowered the minimum passing score to his level, and he was promoted to 1-A. Regardless, he was dumb as a rock. Most of the sayings for which he was noted were either fed to him by others, or could have been created by any cogent 12-year-old.

(2) Cassius Clay only adopted "The Nation of Islam" (and changed his name) when a couple of their lackeys convinced him that he could evade the draft and make himself into a cultural Icon by joining their now-thoroughly-discredited religion. Note that he claimed a draft deferment NOT because he was opposed to war, or even that he opposed the Vietnam war, but rather because he claimed to be an ORDAINED MINISTER for the Nation of Islam. The Court concluded that although this was dubious bullshit, no one could prove it was dubious bullshit. And of course he never was any kind of an ordained anything, and he never adhered in any measurable way to the dietary or behavioral guidelines of that quasi-religion. He - like the religion itself - was a total fraud. His only semi-coherent remark on the whole episode (which lasted years) was that, 'I ain't got no quarrel with no Viet Congs." See (1) above. That statement, you might note, had nothing to do with his draft "position," and in fact, his lawyers emphasized that he was not specifically opposed to the Vietnam War because that would not have justified his C.O. claim.

(3) Cassius Clay single-handedly provided an example for boorish mainly-Negro athletes to abandon any semblance of class and grace in either winning or losing in sports. You never, ever, ever heard Joe Louis, or Floyd Patterson, or Sonny Liston belittle their opponents or brag about how great they were. (or for that matter, Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield, etc.). It would have been considered over-the-top and would have made them pariah's. For this innovation alone, he should be considered a piece of cultural garbage. Every time you see some jackass dancing around in the End Zone after doing what they are paid handsomely to do, credit the spectacle of "Muhammad Ali," who made horrible, public self-aggrandizement "acceptable."

(4) He left a string of illegitimate children - as Rush Limbaugh would put it - "all cross the fruited plain." From all indications, he had the sexual morals of a barnyard animal for as long as he was physically able to have them.

(5) His popularity in the so-called "Black Community" (and the global community) is based almost entirely on the dubious proposition that he forever told The White Man to fuck off, and in the end, got away with it. It would be interesting indeed to list the dozens of white men working behind the scenes to plan his life and manage his personal affairs - something he was generally incapable of doing for himself.

(6) He was never so eloquent as when the Parkinson's forced him to S.T.F.U.

The honors now being bestowed on this disaster of a human being are nauseating. May he remain dead for all time.

But he was a really good boxer.

You obviously don't know anything about boxing or even Ali. So one by one let's address your idiotic post. Joe Louis was quiet, obedient and humble and never even raised his hands in victory, because he was taught not to. Why? Because he followed Jack Johnson, who was the last Black heavyweight champion prior to Louis. Johnson was boisterous, and flamboyant, and was not submissive to whites in an age when he could have been killed for it.


As far as boxers bragging about how great they were, the last bareknuckle heavyweight champion, none other than John L. Sullivan, who was a loud, obnoxious, drunken racist had a favorite saying....... he would frequently walk into public establishments and announce to the patrons "I can lick any sonofabitch in the house"!

Sonny Liston? He himself stated about then Cassius Clay, "He should be locked up for impersonating a fighter". Larry Holmes? When he was closing in on Rocky Marcianos perfect 49-0 record, made the public statement "Rocky would not even be fit to wear my dirty jockstrap".


Lastly, the man is dead after a 30 year battle with Parkinsons disease, a battle that you likely would not have had the stones to even wage.

You probably would have committed suicide instead. You're a boorish asshole for mocking his death with the statement "may he remain dead for all time".

More to follow.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

One could argue that the person who called himself "Ali" was the best heavyweight boxer of all time. In my memory, it is questionable whether he ever fought anyone in his "prime" who could box like Larry Holmes, or punched like the pre-BusterDouglas Tyson, but, whatever... The argument can be made, with some justification in the record.

Obviously, I never met the man, so can say nothing about his character or personality. I only know the public persona, which was a cancer.

A few things that you young-'uns may not know:

(1) Cassius Clay was a high-functioning moron. He was originally classified "4-F" because he scored "below stupid" on the Armed Forces Qualifying Test, but in '69 or '70, they lowered the minimum passing score to his level, and he was promoted to 1-A. Regardless, he was dumb as a rock. Most of the sayings for which he was noted were either fed to him by others, or could have been created by any cogent 12-year-old.

(2) Cassius Clay only adopted "The Nation of Islam" (and changed his name) when a couple of their lackeys convinced him that he could evade the draft and make himself into a cultural Icon by joining their now-thoroughly-discredited religion. Note that he claimed a draft deferment NOT because he was opposed to war, or even that he opposed the Vietnam war, but rather because he claimed to be an ORDAINED MINISTER for the Nation of Islam. The Court concluded that although this was dubious bullshit, no one could prove it was dubious bullshit. And of course he never was any kind of an ordained anything, and he never adhered in any measurable way to the dietary or behavioral guidelines of that quasi-religion. He - like the religion itself - was a total fraud. His only semi-coherent remark on the whole episode (which lasted years) was that, 'I ain't got no quarrel with no Viet Congs." See (1) above. That statement, you might note, had nothing to do with his draft "position," and in fact, his lawyers emphasized that he was not specifically opposed to the Vietnam War because that would not have justified his C.O. claim.

(3) Cassius Clay single-handedly provided an example for boorish mainly-Negro athletes to abandon any semblance of class and grace in either winning or losing in sports. You never, ever, ever heard Joe Louis, or Floyd Patterson, or Sonny Liston belittle their opponents or brag about how great they were. (or for that matter, Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield, etc.). It would have been considered over-the-top and would have made them pariah's. For this innovation alone, he should be considered a piece of cultural garbage. Every time you see some jackass dancing around in the End Zone after doing what they are paid handsomely to do, credit the spectacle of "Muhammad Ali," who made horrible, public self-aggrandizement "acceptable."

(4) He left a string of illegitimate children - as Rush Limbaugh would put it - "all cross the fruited plain." From all indications, he had the sexual morals of a barnyard animal for as long as he was physically able to have them.

(5) His popularity in the so-called "Black Community" (and the global community) is based almost entirely on the dubious proposition that he forever told The White Man to fuck off, and in the end, got away with it. It would be interesting indeed to list the dozens of white men working behind the scenes to plan his life and manage his personal affairs - something he was generally incapable of doing for himself.

(6) He was never so eloquent as when the Parkinson's forced him to S.T.F.U.

The honors now being bestowed on this disaster of a human being are nauseating. May he remain dead for all time.

But he was a really good boxer.

You obviously don't know anything about boxing or even Ali. So one by one let's address your idiotic post. Joe Louis was quiet, obedient and humble and never even raised his hands in victory, because he was taught not to. Why? Because he followed Jack Johnson, who was the last Black heavyweight champion prior to Louis. Johnson was boisterous, and flamboyant, and was not submissive to whites in an age when he could have been killed for it.


As far as boxers bragging about how great they were, the last bareknuckle heavyweight champion, none other than John L. Sullivan, who was a loud, obnoxious, drunken racist had a favorite saying....... he would frequently walk into public establishments and announce to the patrons "I can lick any sonofabitch in the house"!

Sonny Liston? He himself stated about then Cassius Clay, "He should be locked up for impersonating a fighter". Larry Holmes? When he was closing in on Rocky Marcianos perfect 49-0 record, made the public statement "Rocky would not even be fit to wear my dirty jockstrap".


Lastly, the man is dead after a 30 year battle with Parkinsons disease, a battle that you likely would not have had the stones to even wage.

You probably would have committed suicide instead. You're a boorish asshole for mocking his death with the statement "may he remain dead for all time".

More to follow.

Indeed,this guy is a freaking hypocrite hense WHY its no surprise that the lone two posters that liked his posts are trolls who talk to themselves. One who has his head up Brady and Belicheats ass,the other a zionist paid shiil.

This troll is a hypocrite.When his Pirates advanced to the second round of the playoffs a few years ago due to the one and done wild card,he liked that format,the fact there was not one peep from him complaining about it then since his pirates won. the next couple years because they LOST both times,all of a sudden he hates it now.

pathetic how he doesnt hate it when his pirates WIN and then advance further in the playoffs because of the one and done format.

there was no whining from him back then when they WON. only when they lose does he decide he all of a sudden hates it.

If that isnt a freaking hypocrite,i dont know what is.


He lost his credibility saying Ali was a moron.Everybody that knew him knew was indeed very intelligent.That was why he beat the greatest fighters in the world was he had smarts.

Yeah he would have committed suicide 30 YEARS ago had he had parkinsons diseace like he did instead of keeping up the fight.

This troll is probably one of those idiots who think Tyson had he been born in the same generation of Ali,would have beat Ali.

Ali beat the greatest fighters in the world,Tyson never fought the quality of foes Ali did.Ali sure would never have lost to a nobody like Buster Douglas either.

Tyson could not last more than a few rounds.He always had to put his opponents away early.Ali would have been too smart to get baited into getting too close to him to be knocked out by him,he would have worn him out after a couple of rounds and knocked him out after hitting his glass jaw many said he had.

btw,since you were gone from this section for so long and never posted in my Rams thread,i thought you died or something?

 

[katsteve2012]

One could argue that the person who called himself "Ali" was the best heavyweight boxer of all time. In my memory, it is questionable whether he ever fought anyone in his "prime" who could box like Larry Holmes, or punched like the pre-BusterDouglas Tyson, but, whatever... The argument can be made, with some justification in the record.

Obviously, I never met the man, so can say nothing about his character or personality. I only know the public persona, which was a cancer.

A few things that you young-'uns may not know:

(1) Cassius Clay was a high-functioning moron. He was originally classified "4-F" because he scored "below stupid" on the Armed Forces Qualifying Test, but in '69 or '70, they lowered the minimum passing score to his level, and he was promoted to 1-A. Regardless, he was dumb as a rock. Most of the sayings for which he was noted were either fed to him by others, or could have been created by any cogent 12-year-old.

(2) Cassius Clay only adopted "The Nation of Islam" (and changed his name) when a couple of their lackeys convinced him that he could evade the draft and make himself into a cultural Icon by joining their now-thoroughly-discredited religion. Note that he claimed a draft deferment NOT because he was opposed to war, or even that he opposed the Vietnam war, but rather because he claimed to be an ORDAINED MINISTER for the Nation of Islam. The Court concluded that although this was dubious bullshit, no one could prove it was dubious bullshit. And of course he never was any kind of an ordained anything, and he never adhered in any measurable way to the dietary or behavioral guidelines of that quasi-religion. He - like the religion itself - was a total fraud. His only semi-coherent remark on the whole episode (which lasted years) was that, 'I ain't got no quarrel with no Viet Congs." See (1) above. That statement, you might note, had nothing to do with his draft "position," and in fact, his lawyers emphasized that he was not specifically opposed to the Vietnam War because that would not have justified his C.O. claim.

(3) Cassius Clay single-handedly provided an example for boorish mainly-Negro athletes to abandon any semblance of class and grace in either winning or losing in sports. You never, ever, ever heard Joe Louis, or Floyd Patterson, or Sonny Liston belittle their opponents or brag about how great they were. (or for that matter, Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield, etc.). It would have been considered over-the-top and would have made them pariah's. For this innovation alone, he should be considered a piece of cultural garbage. Every time you see some jackass dancing around in the End Zone after doing what they are paid handsomely to do, credit the spectacle of "Muhammad Ali," who made horrible, public self-aggrandizement "acceptable."

(4) He left a string of illegitimate children - as Rush Limbaugh would put it - "all cross the fruited plain." From all indications, he had the sexual morals of a barnyard animal for as long as he was physically able to have them.

(5) His popularity in the so-called "Black Community" (and the global community) is based almost entirely on the dubious proposition that he forever told The White Man to fuck off, and in the end, got away with it. It would be interesting indeed to list the dozens of white men working behind the scenes to plan his life and manage his personal affairs - something he was generally incapable of doing for himself.

(6) He was never so eloquent as when the Parkinson's forced him to S.T.F.U.

The honors now being bestowed on this disaster of a human being are nauseating. May he remain dead for all time.

But he was a really good boxer.

You obviously don't know anything about boxing or even Ali. So one by one let's address your idiotic post. Joe Louis was quiet, obedient and humble and never even raised his hands in victory, because he was taught not to. Why? Because he followed Jack Johnson, who was the last Black heavyweight champion prior to Louis. Johnson was boisterous, and flamboyant, and was not submissive to whites in an age when he could have been killed for it.


As far as boxers bragging about how great they were, the last bareknuckle heavyweight champion, none other than John L. Sullivan, who was a loud, obnoxious, drunken racist had a favorite saying....... he would frequently walk into public establishments and announce to the patrons "I can lick any sonofabitch in the house"!

Sonny Liston? He himself stated about then Cassius Clay, "He should be locked up for impersonating a fighter". Larry Holmes? When he was closing in on Rocky Marcianos perfect 49-0 record, made the public statement "Rocky would not even be fit to wear my dirty jockstrap".


Lastly, the man is dead after a 30 year battle with Parkinsons disease, a battle that you likely would not have had the stones to even wage.

You probably would have committed suicide instead. You're a boorish asshole for mocking his death with the statement "may he remain dead for all time".

More to follow.

Indeed,this guy is a freaking hypocrite hense WHY its no surprise that the lone two posters that liked his posts are trolls who talk to themselves. One who has his head up Brady and Belicheats ass,the other a zionist paid shiil.

This troll is a hypocrite.When his Pirates advanced to the second round of the playoffs a few years ago due to the one and done wild card,he liked that format,the fact there was not one peep from him complaining about it then since his pirates won. the next couple years because they LOST both times,all of a sudden he hates it now.

pathetic how he doesnt hate it when his pirates WIN and then advance further in the playoffs because of the one and done format.

there was no whining from him back then when they WON. only when they lose does he decide he all of a sudden hates it.

If that isnt a freaking hypocrite,i dont know what is.


He lost his credibility saying Ali was a moron.Everybody that knew him knew was indeed very intelligent.That was why he beat the greatest fighters in the world was he had smarts.

Yeah he would have committed suicide 30 YEARS ago had he had parkinsons diseace like he did instead of keeping up the fight.

This troll is probably one of those idiots who think Tyson had he been born in the same generation of Ali,would have beat Ali.

Ali beat the greatest fighters in the world,Tyson never fought the quality of foes Ali did.Ali sure would never have lost to a nobody like Buster Douglas either.

Tyson could not last more than a few rounds.He always had to put his opponents away early.Ali would have been too smart to get baited into getting too close to him to be knocked out by him,he would have worn him out after a couple of rounds and knocked him out after hitting his glass jaw many said he had.

btw,since you were gone from this section for so long and never posted in my Rams thread,i thought you died or something?

Kudos for a great post. I kind of went into hibernation in this section....but I'm catching up.

Preseason is just around the corner and we will be commenting a lot!

Great seeing you!

 

[LA RAM FAN]

One could argue that the person who called himself "Ali" was the best heavyweight boxer of all time. In my memory, it is questionable whether he ever fought anyone in his "prime" who could box like Larry Holmes, or punched like the pre-BusterDouglas Tyson, but, whatever... The argument can be made, with some justification in the record.

Obviously, I never met the man, so can say nothing about his character or personality. I only know the public persona, which was a cancer.

A few things that you young-'uns may not know:

(1) Cassius Clay was a high-functioning moron. He was originally classified "4-F" because he scored "below stupid" on the Armed Forces Qualifying Test, but in '69 or '70, they lowered the minimum passing score to his level, and he was promoted to 1-A. Regardless, he was dumb as a rock. Most of the sayings for which he was noted were either fed to him by others, or could have been created by any cogent 12-year-old.

(2) Cassius Clay only adopted "The Nation of Islam" (and changed his name) when a couple of their lackeys convinced him that he could evade the draft and make himself into a cultural Icon by joining their now-thoroughly-discredited religion. Note that he claimed a draft deferment NOT because he was opposed to war, or even that he opposed the Vietnam war, but rather because he claimed to be an ORDAINED MINISTER for the Nation of Islam. The Court concluded that although this was dubious bullshit, no one could prove it was dubious bullshit. And of course he never was any kind of an ordained anything, and he never adhered in any measurable way to the dietary or behavioral guidelines of that quasi-religion. He - like the religion itself - was a total fraud. His only semi-coherent remark on the whole episode (which lasted years) was that, 'I ain't got no quarrel with no Viet Congs." See (1) above. That statement, you might note, had nothing to do with his draft "position," and in fact, his lawyers emphasized that he was not specifically opposed to the Vietnam War because that would not have justified his C.O. claim.

(3) Cassius Clay single-handedly provided an example for boorish mainly-Negro athletes to abandon any semblance of class and grace in either winning or losing in sports. You never, ever, ever heard Joe Louis, or Floyd Patterson, or Sonny Liston belittle their opponents or brag about how great they were. (or for that matter, Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield, etc.). It would have been considered over-the-top and would have made them pariah's. For this innovation alone, he should be considered a piece of cultural garbage. Every time you see some jackass dancing around in the End Zone after doing what they are paid handsomely to do, credit the spectacle of "Muhammad Ali," who made horrible, public self-aggrandizement "acceptable."

(4) He left a string of illegitimate children - as Rush Limbaugh would put it - "all cross the fruited plain." From all indications, he had the sexual morals of a barnyard animal for as long as he was physically able to have them.

(5) His popularity in the so-called "Black Community" (and the global community) is based almost entirely on the dubious proposition that he forever told The White Man to fuck off, and in the end, got away with it. It would be interesting indeed to list the dozens of white men working behind the scenes to plan his life and manage his personal affairs - something he was generally incapable of doing for himself.

(6) He was never so eloquent as when the Parkinson's forced him to S.T.F.U.

The honors now being bestowed on this disaster of a human being are nauseating. May he remain dead for all time.

But he was a really good boxer.

You obviously don't know anything about boxing or even Ali. So one by one let's address your idiotic post. Joe Louis was quiet, obedient and humble and never even raised his hands in victory, because he was taught not to. Why? Because he followed Jack Johnson, who was the last Black heavyweight champion prior to Louis. Johnson was boisterous, and flamboyant, and was not submissive to whites in an age when he could have been killed for it.


As far as boxers bragging about how great they were, the last bareknuckle heavyweight champion, none other than John L. Sullivan, who was a loud, obnoxious, drunken racist had a favorite saying....... he would frequently walk into public establishments and announce to the patrons "I can lick any sonofabitch in the house"!

Sonny Liston? He himself stated about then Cassius Clay, "He should be locked up for impersonating a fighter". Larry Holmes? When he was closing in on Rocky Marcianos perfect 49-0 record, made the public statement "Rocky would not even be fit to wear my dirty jockstrap".


Lastly, the man is dead after a 30 year battle with Parkinsons disease, a battle that you likely would not have had the stones to even wage.

You probably would have committed suicide instead. You're a boorish asshole for mocking his death with the statement "may he remain dead for all time".

More to follow.

Indeed,this guy is a freaking hypocrite hense WHY its no surprise that the lone two posters that liked his posts are trolls who talk to themselves. One who has his head up Brady and Belicheats ass,the other a zionist paid shiil.

This troll is a hypocrite.When his Pirates advanced to the second round of the playoffs a few years ago due to the one and done wild card,he liked that format,the fact there was not one peep from him complaining about it then since his pirates won. the next couple years because they LOST both times,all of a sudden he hates it now.

pathetic how he doesnt hate it when his pirates WIN and then advance further in the playoffs because of the one and done format.

there was no whining from him back then when they WON. only when they lose does he decide he all of a sudden hates it.

If that isnt a freaking hypocrite,i dont know what is.


He lost his credibility saying Ali was a moron.Everybody that knew him knew was indeed very intelligent.That was why he beat the greatest fighters in the world was he had smarts.

Yeah he would have committed suicide 30 YEARS ago had he had parkinsons diseace like he did instead of keeping up the fight.

This troll is probably one of those idiots who think Tyson had he been born in the same generation of Ali,would have beat Ali.

Ali beat the greatest fighters in the world,Tyson never fought the quality of foes Ali did.Ali sure would never have lost to a nobody like Buster Douglas either.

Tyson could not last more than a few rounds.He always had to put his opponents away early.Ali would have been too smart to get baited into getting too close to him to be knocked out by him,he would have worn him out after a couple of rounds and knocked him out after hitting his glass jaw many said he had.

btw,since you were gone from this section for so long and never posted in my Rams thread,i thought you died or something?

Kudos for a great post. I kind of went into hibernation in this section....but I'm catching up.

Preseason is just around the corner and we will be commenting a lot!

Great seeing you!

i forgot,are you a chargers fan or an LA Ram fan? when the Rams left LA they became my most hated team that i rooted against each week so i switched to the chargers but it wasnt the same,i dont live and die with the chargers as i did with the Rams which is why this is the first time in 22 years i am actually excited about the NFL season.


cant wait for their first preseason game against the cowboys. so with the rams back in LA,they are my favorite again and chargers second. You?

 

[DGS49]

Ali/Clay was a "documented" moron. He graduated from HS with a D- average, from a bottom of the barrel school. His AFQT score indicated an IQ well south of 90. Had any white man spoken with his same eloquence, he would have been considered a comedy act. It is only because of extremely low expectations that his perennial idiocy is considered anything other than imbecilic.

He patterned his public persona after a professional wrestler, "Gorgeous George." His bragging was UNPRECEDENTED in major sports, and is not to be compared with PRIVATE remarks by other boxers. If anyone accepts the concept of "class" in professional athletes, Ali was totally devoid of that quality. As a human being, he was not worthy to launder Joe Frazier ' jock strap.

The world is a better place without him in it.

P.S. I NEVER indicated any support for "one and done" in MLB, either here or anyplace else. It is an abomination, created to cynically increase the number of teams who could possibly make the "playoffs" late in the season. There should be ONE wild card team, and 4 total teams in each league's playoff.

 

[MaryL]

Cassius was just a blow hard and braggart, if he had been white and converted to Mormonism, he still would have been great and we all know it. He didn't make the world a better place, it's all bullshit. You know what? I will miss him, none the less. He was part of my past, and he's gone now, forever. I hate time taking everything away and leaving memories or nothing.

 

[Unkotare]

Cassius was just a blow hard and braggart, if he had been white and converted to Mormonism, he still would have been great and we all know it. He didn't make the world a better place, it's all bullshit. You know what? I will miss him, none the less. He was part of my past, and he's gone now, forever. I hate time taking everything away and leaving memories or nothing.

Ok, so you hate Latinos and time. Got it.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I stopped reading the OP when he got to the part where Ali was "4F". he was not. He was 1Y. I skimmed a couple of other paragraphs which were full of the same old bigotry and lies about Ali's religious beliefs. Then, I moved on, knowing that I had not missed anything worth reading.

 

[katsteve2012]

One could argue that the person who called himself "Ali" was the best heavyweight boxer of all time. In my memory, it is questionable whether he ever fought anyone in his "prime" who could box like Larry Holmes, or punched like the pre-BusterDouglas Tyson, but, whatever... The argument can be made, with some justification in the record.

Obviously, I never met the man, so can say nothing about his character or personality. I only know the public persona, which was a cancer.

A few things that you young-'uns may not know:

(1) Cassius Clay was a high-functioning moron. He was originally classified "4-F" because he scored "below stupid" on the Armed Forces Qualifying Test, but in '69 or '70, they lowered the minimum passing score to his level, and he was promoted to 1-A. Regardless, he was dumb as a rock. Most of the sayings for which he was noted were either fed to him by others, or could have been created by any cogent 12-year-old.

(2) Cassius Clay only adopted "The Nation of Islam" (and changed his name) when a couple of their lackeys convinced him that he could evade the draft and make himself into a cultural Icon by joining their now-thoroughly-discredited religion. Note that he claimed a draft deferment NOT because he was opposed to war, or even that he opposed the Vietnam war, but rather because he claimed to be an ORDAINED MINISTER for the Nation of Islam. The Court concluded that although this was dubious bullshit, no one could prove it was dubious bullshit. And of course he never was any kind of an ordained anything, and he never adhered in any measurable way to the dietary or behavioral guidelines of that quasi-religion. He - like the religion itself - was a total fraud. His only semi-coherent remark on the whole episode (which lasted years) was that, 'I ain't got no quarrel with no Viet Congs." See (1) above. That statement, you might note, had nothing to do with his draft "position," and in fact, his lawyers emphasized that he was not specifically opposed to the Vietnam War because that would not have justified his C.O. claim.

(3) Cassius Clay single-handedly provided an example for boorish mainly-Negro athletes to abandon any semblance of class and grace in either winning or losing in sports. You never, ever, ever heard Joe Louis, or Floyd Patterson, or Sonny Liston belittle their opponents or brag about how great they were. (or for that matter, Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield, etc.). It would have been considered over-the-top and would have made them pariah's. For this innovation alone, he should be considered a piece of cultural garbage. Every time you see some jackass dancing around in the End Zone after doing what they are paid handsomely to do, credit the spectacle of "Muhammad Ali," who made horrible, public self-aggrandizement "acceptable."

(4) He left a string of illegitimate children - as Rush Limbaugh would put it - "all cross the fruited plain." From all indications, he had the sexual morals of a barnyard animal for as long as he was physically able to have them.

(5) His popularity in the so-called "Black Community" (and the global community) is based almost entirely on the dubious proposition that he forever told The White Man to fuck off, and in the end, got away with it. It would be interesting indeed to list the dozens of white men working behind the scenes to plan his life and manage his personal affairs - something he was generally incapable of doing for himself.

(6) He was never so eloquent as when the Parkinson's forced him to S.T.F.U.

The honors now being bestowed on this disaster of a human being are nauseating. May he remain dead for all time.

But he was a really good boxer.

You obviously don't know anything about boxing or even Ali. So one by one let's address your idiotic post. Joe Louis was quiet, obedient and humble and never even raised his hands in victory, because he was taught not to. Why? Because he followed Jack Johnson, who was the last Black heavyweight champion prior to Louis. Johnson was boisterous, and flamboyant, and was not submissive to whites in an age when he could have been killed for it.


As far as boxers bragging about how great they were, the last bareknuckle heavyweight champion, none other than John L. Sullivan, who was a loud, obnoxious, drunken racist had a favorite saying....... he would frequently walk into public establishments and announce to the patrons "I can lick any sonofabitch in the house"!

Sonny Liston? He himself stated about then Cassius Clay, "He should be locked up for impersonating a fighter". Larry Holmes? When he was closing in on Rocky Marcianos perfect 49-0 record, made the public statement "Rocky would not even be fit to wear my dirty jockstrap".


Lastly, the man is dead after a 30 year battle with Parkinsons disease, a battle that you likely would not have had the stones to even wage.

You probably would have committed suicide instead. You're a boorish asshole for mocking his death with the statement "may he remain dead for all time".

More to follow.

Indeed,this guy is a freaking hypocrite hense WHY its no surprise that the lone two posters that liked his posts are trolls who talk to themselves. One who has his head up Brady and Belicheats ass,the other a zionist paid shiil.

This troll is a hypocrite.When his Pirates advanced to the second round of the playoffs a few years ago due to the one and done wild card,he liked that format,the fact there was not one peep from him complaining about it then since his pirates won. the next couple years because they LOST both times,all of a sudden he hates it now.

pathetic how he doesnt hate it when his pirates WIN and then advance further in the playoffs because of the one and done format.

there was no whining from him back then when they WON. only when they lose does he decide he all of a sudden hates it.

If that isnt a freaking hypocrite,i dont know what is.


He lost his credibility saying Ali was a moron.Everybody that knew him knew was indeed very intelligent.That was why he beat the greatest fighters in the world was he had smarts.

Yeah he would have committed suicide 30 YEARS ago had he had parkinsons diseace like he did instead of keeping up the fight.

This troll is probably one of those idiots who think Tyson had he been born in the same generation of Ali,would have beat Ali.

Ali beat the greatest fighters in the world,Tyson never fought the quality of foes Ali did.Ali sure would never have lost to a nobody like Buster Douglas either.

Tyson could not last more than a few rounds.He always had to put his opponents away early.Ali would have been too smart to get baited into getting too close to him to be knocked out by him,he would have worn him out after a couple of rounds and knocked him out after hitting his glass jaw many said he had.

btw,since you were gone from this section for so long and never posted in my Rams thread,i thought you died or something?

Kudos for a great post. I kind of went into hibernation in this section....but I'm catching up.

Preseason is just around the corner and we will be commenting a lot!

Great seeing you!

i forgot,are you a chargers fan or an LA Ram fan? when the Rams left LA they became my most hated team that i rooted against each week so i switched to the chargers but it wasnt the same,i dont live and die with the chargers as i did with the Rams which is why this is the first time in 22 years i am actually excited about the NFL season.


cant wait for their first preseason game against the cowboys. so with the rams back in LA,they are my favorite again and chargers second. You?

Actually I am not a Ram fan nor a Charger fan. I grew up in San Diego, and my high school football coach(Earl Faison) played for them and was not treated well by the organization. I loved my coach like a second Dad so it's very personal.

Never liked the Rams either, BUT, I'm a die hard Raiders fan dating back to the days of Ken Stabler, Fred Bilitnekoff and the greatest safety ever, Jack Tatum. Also, an old friend from my home town and my high school, Marcus Allen contributed big to their last Super Bowl victory.

Of course the Raiders have been plagued by antiquated coaching and turnover for years, but win, lose or draw I'm still a fan,

 

[katsteve2012]

Ali/Clay was a "documented" moron. He graduated from HS with a D- average, from a bottom of the barrel school. His AFQT score indicated an IQ well south of 90. Had any white man spoken with his same eloquence, he would have been considered a comedy act. It is only because of extremely low expectations that his perennial idiocy is considered anything other than imbecilic.

He patterned his public persona after a professional wrestler, "Gorgeous George." His bragging was UNPRECEDENTED in major sports, and is not to be compared with PRIVATE remarks by other boxers. If anyone accepts the concept of "class" in professional athletes, Ali was totally devoid of that quality. As a human being, he was not worthy to launder Joe Frazier ' jock strap.

The world is a better place without him in it.

Well, if the world is a "better place without him" you must be in a coma or live under a rock. 15,000 people turned out to say goodbye to him.

Ali took the lead in promoting his own fights. and did a better job than any promoter that he could have paid to do it for him.

His bragging infuriated some people into paying to see him lose, and others that were his fans cheered him on.

It's called "marketing". And he came along in an era when humble, monosyllabic shufflers were his predecessors and the norm.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

One could argue that the person who called himself "Ali" was the best heavyweight boxer of all time. In my memory, it is questionable whether he ever fought anyone in his "prime" who could box like Larry Holmes, or punched like the pre-BusterDouglas Tyson, but, whatever... The argument can be made, with some justification in the record.

Obviously, I never met the man, so can say nothing about his character or personality. I only know the public persona, which was a cancer.

A few things that you young-'uns may not know:

(1) Cassius Clay was a high-functioning moron. He was originally classified "4-F" because he scored "below stupid" on the Armed Forces Qualifying Test, but in '69 or '70, they lowered the minimum passing score to his level, and he was promoted to 1-A. Regardless, he was dumb as a rock. Most of the sayings for which he was noted were either fed to him by others, or could have been created by any cogent 12-year-old.

(2) Cassius Clay only adopted "The Nation of Islam" (and changed his name) when a couple of their lackeys convinced him that he could evade the draft and make himself into a cultural Icon by joining their now-thoroughly-discredited religion. Note that he claimed a draft deferment NOT because he was opposed to war, or even that he opposed the Vietnam war, but rather because he claimed to be an ORDAINED MINISTER for the Nation of Islam. The Court concluded that although this was dubious bullshit, no one could prove it was dubious bullshit. And of course he never was any kind of an ordained anything, and he never adhered in any measurable way to the dietary or behavioral guidelines of that quasi-religion. He - like the religion itself - was a total fraud. His only semi-coherent remark on the whole episode (which lasted years) was that, 'I ain't got no quarrel with no Viet Congs." See (1) above. That statement, you might note, had nothing to do with his draft "position," and in fact, his lawyers emphasized that he was not specifically opposed to the Vietnam War because that would not have justified his C.O. claim.

(3) Cassius Clay single-handedly provided an example for boorish mainly-Negro athletes to abandon any semblance of class and grace in either winning or losing in sports. You never, ever, ever heard Joe Louis, or Floyd Patterson, or Sonny Liston belittle their opponents or brag about how great they were. (or for that matter, Larry Holmes, Evander Holyfield, etc.). It would have been considered over-the-top and would have made them pariah's. For this innovation alone, he should be considered a piece of cultural garbage. Every time you see some jackass dancing around in the End Zone after doing what they are paid handsomely to do, credit the spectacle of "Muhammad Ali," who made horrible, public self-aggrandizement "acceptable."

(4) He left a string of illegitimate children - as Rush Limbaugh would put it - "all cross the fruited plain." From all indications, he had the sexual morals of a barnyard animal for as long as he was physically able to have them.

(5) His popularity in the so-called "Black Community" (and the global community) is based almost entirely on the dubious proposition that he forever told The White Man to fuck off, and in the end, got away with it. It would be interesting indeed to list the dozens of white men working behind the scenes to plan his life and manage his personal affairs - something he was generally incapable of doing for himself.

(6) He was never so eloquent as when the Parkinson's forced him to S.T.F.U.

The honors now being bestowed on this disaster of a human being are nauseating. May he remain dead for all time.

But he was a really good boxer.

You obviously don't know anything about boxing or even Ali. So one by one let's address your idiotic post. Joe Louis was quiet, obedient and humble and never even raised his hands in victory, because he was taught not to. Why? Because he followed Jack Johnson, who was the last Black heavyweight champion prior to Louis. Johnson was boisterous, and flamboyant, and was not submissive to whites in an age when he could have been killed for it.


As far as boxers bragging about how great they were, the last bareknuckle heavyweight champion, none other than John L. Sullivan, who was a loud, obnoxious, drunken racist had a favorite saying....... he would frequently walk into public establishments and announce to the patrons "I can lick any sonofabitch in the house"!

Sonny Liston? He himself stated about then Cassius Clay, "He should be locked up for impersonating a fighter". Larry Holmes? When he was closing in on Rocky Marcianos perfect 49-0 record, made the public statement "Rocky would not even be fit to wear my dirty jockstrap".


Lastly, the man is dead after a 30 year battle with Parkinsons disease, a battle that you likely would not have had the stones to even wage.

You probably would have committed suicide instead. You're a boorish asshole for mocking his death with the statement "may he remain dead for all time".

More to follow.

Indeed,this guy is a freaking hypocrite hense WHY its no surprise that the lone two posters that liked his posts are trolls who talk to themselves. One who has his head up Brady and Belicheats ass,the other a zionist paid shiil.

This troll is a hypocrite.When his Pirates advanced to the second round of the playoffs a few years ago due to the one and done wild card,he liked that format,the fact there was not one peep from him complaining about it then since his pirates won. the next couple years because they LOST both times,all of a sudden he hates it now.

pathetic how he doesnt hate it when his pirates WIN and then advance further in the playoffs because of the one and done format.

there was no whining from him back then when they WON. only when they lose does he decide he all of a sudden hates it.

If that isnt a freaking hypocrite,i dont know what is.


He lost his credibility saying Ali was a moron.Everybody that knew him knew was indeed very intelligent.That was why he beat the greatest fighters in the world was he had smarts.

Yeah he would have committed suicide 30 YEARS ago had he had parkinsons diseace like he did instead of keeping up the fight.

This troll is probably one of those idiots who think Tyson had he been born in the same generation of Ali,would have beat Ali.

Ali beat the greatest fighters in the world,Tyson never fought the quality of foes Ali did.Ali sure would never have lost to a nobody like Buster Douglas either.

Tyson could not last more than a few rounds.He always had to put his opponents away early.Ali would have been too smart to get baited into getting too close to him to be knocked out by him,he would have worn him out after a couple of rounds and knocked him out after hitting his glass jaw many said he had.

btw,since you were gone from this section for so long and never posted in my Rams thread,i thought you died or something?

Kudos for a great post. I kind of went into hibernation in this section....but I'm catching up.

Preseason is just around the corner and we will be commenting a lot!

Great seeing you!

i forgot,are you a chargers fan or an LA Ram fan? when the Rams left LA they became my most hated team that i rooted against each week so i switched to the chargers but it wasnt the same,i dont live and die with the chargers as i did with the Rams which is why this is the first time in 22 years i am actually excited about the NFL season.


cant wait for their first preseason game against the cowboys. so with the rams back in LA,they are my favorite again and chargers second. You?

Actually I am not a Ram fan nor a Charger fan. I grew up in San Diego, and my high school football coach(Earl Faison) played for them and was not treated well by the organization. I loved my coach like a second Dad so it's very personal.

Never liked the Rams either, BUT, I'm a die hard Raiders fan dating back to the days of Ken Stabler, Fred Bilitnekoff and the greatest safety ever, Jack Tatum. Also, an old friend from my home town and my high school, Marcus Allen contributed big to their last Super Bowl victory.

Of course the Raiders have been plagued by antiquated coaching and turnover for years, but win, lose or draw I'm still a fan,

IF you rooted for the Raiders when they moved to LA during the Marcus Allen years,your not a true Raider fan because if the Raiders dont play in Oakland,then they aren't the Raiders.

That was in reality the OAKLAND Raiders that won that superbowl with the majority of those players being drafted out of Oakland. Marcus Allen was one of the very few LA players on that squad.

The OAKLAND Raiders got screwed in the last superbowl. They should have won that game.the Coach of that game through that game so his buddy John Gruden could win because he hated the players and the organization.
Did you know about that?
He changed the game plan a mere 48 hours before the game,something no coach had ever done in all the hundreds of games Tim Brown had played in with the Raiders all his time. He is a criminal who should have been jailed.

here is the story on that if you were not aware of it.the Raiders are the real superbowl champs.How Callahan escaped prosecution is no surprise to me since the NFL is the same as politicians,corrupt,same as how politicians get away with crimes we go to jail for same as them.

again here is the story how callahan through the game. many other oakland players agree with rice and brown as well.

http://deadspin.com/5978147/jerry-rice-and-tim-brown-say-bill-callahan-threw-super-bowl-xxxvii

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Ali/Clay was a "documented" moron. He graduated from HS with a D- average, from a bottom of the barrel school. His AFQT score indicated an IQ well south of 90. Had any white man spoken with his same eloquence, he would have been considered a comedy act. It is only because of extremely low expectations that his perennial idiocy is considered anything other than imbecilic.

He patterned his public persona after a professional wrestler, "Gorgeous George." His bragging was UNPRECEDENTED in major sports, and is not to be compared with PRIVATE remarks by other boxers. If anyone accepts the concept of "class" in professional athletes, Ali was totally devoid of that quality. As a human being, he was not worthy to launder Joe Frazier ' jock strap.

The world is a better place without him in it.

Well, if the world is a "better place without him" you must be in a coma or live under a rock. 15,000 people turned out to say goodbye to him.

Ali took the lead in promoting his own fights. and did a better job than any promoter that he could have paid to do it for him.

His bragging infuriated some people into paying to see him lose, and others that were his fans cheered him on.

It's called "marketing". And he came along in an era when humble, monosyllabic shufflers were his predecessors and the norm.

Yeah I am guessing he is in a coma making that moronic comment the world is in a better place. Ali inspired people to stand up to authority and to our corrupt evil government. things never change if people live in fear and let authority rule their lives and dictate to them that they are criminals if they dont go out and kill people that have done nothing to them.

only a retarded idiot would say the world is a better place.Ali was intelligent enough to see how corrupt our government was and is.they are doing the same thing now that they were doing back then,sending kids of parents over to another country to kill innocent people that have done nothing to us starting wars with other countries that have done nothing to us.

Ali being back,he knew how the white man treated minoritys so he could see right through their con job of lying to americans to go fight a war against a peaceful country that had done nothing to us.

Our government lied about the vietnam war.Ali was one of the very few intelligent enough to see through their lies to go fight a war that they started against them. He was a true hero and patriot for that.

Too bad other americans were not intelligent enough like he was to see through their lies.If all americans were smart and intelligent like him,then there never would have been a vietnam war and 58,000 americans would not have been murdered by Lbj and Nixon. Ali knew this and I admite him for going to prison instead of being a dupe for the government.

I always loved his so true comment he made when he said-the vietcong never called me a ******.They havent done anything to me.

americans went around calling him a ****** his whole life and they expect him to go fight THEIR war? give me a fucking break.

 

[DGS49]

You sad, pathetic tool.

Clay had no more insight about the justification for the Vietnam War than, apparently, you do.

At the request of a regime in crisis, we tried to prevent their being overwhelmed by a China and USSC backed communist dictatorship. And when the Democrats in Congress pissed away our hard earned victory, our every fear was realized, as hundreds of thousands were killed, imprisoned, or exiled. Does the expression, "Boat People" mean anything to you?

Clay could have served 18 months or so, and barely lost a paycheck, but he became a sock - puppet for THE "HONORABLE" ELIJAH MUHAMMAD. Anyone considering him a hero or folk philosopher is as dimwitted as he was.

 

[Vandalshandle]

You sad, pathetic tool.

Clay had no more insight about the justification for the Vietnam War than, apparently, you do.

At the request of a regime in crisis, we tried to prevent their being overwhelmed by a China and USSC backed communist dictatorship. And when the Democrats in Congress pissed away our hard earned victory, our every fear was realized, as hundreds of thousands were killed, imprisoned, or exiled. Does the expression, "Boat People" mean anything to you?

Clay could have served 18 months or so, and barely lost a paycheck, but he became a sock - puppet for THE "HONORABLE" ELIJAH MUHAMMAD. Anyone considering him a hero or folk philosopher is as dimwitted as he was.

This whole post is so patently absurd that it does not warrant being taken seriously, but I can't resist letting you know that the Vietnamese and the Chinese have been enemies for centuries, and that North Vietnam was backed by the Soviets, not the Chinese.

 

[katsteve2012]

You obviously don't know anything about boxing or even Ali. So one by one let's address your idiotic post. Joe Louis was quiet, obedient and humble and never even raised his hands in victory, because he was taught not to. Why? Because he followed Jack Johnson, who was the last Black heavyweight champion prior to Louis. Johnson was boisterous, and flamboyant, and was not submissive to whites in an age when he could have been killed for it.


As far as boxers bragging about how great they were, the last bareknuckle heavyweight champion, none other than John L. Sullivan, who was a loud, obnoxious, drunken racist had a favorite saying....... he would frequently walk into public establishments and announce to the patrons "I can lick any sonofabitch in the house"!

Sonny Liston? He himself stated about then Cassius Clay, "He should be locked up for impersonating a fighter". Larry Holmes? When he was closing in on Rocky Marcianos perfect 49-0 record, made the public statement "Rocky would not even be fit to wear my dirty jockstrap".


Lastly, the man is dead after a 30 year battle with Parkinsons disease, a battle that you likely would not have had the stones to even wage.

You probably would have committed suicide instead. You're a boorish asshole for mocking his death with the statement "may he remain dead for all time".

More to follow.

Indeed,this guy is a freaking hypocrite hense WHY its no surprise that the lone two posters that liked his posts are trolls who talk to themselves. One who has his head up Brady and Belicheats ass,the other a zionist paid shiil.

This troll is a hypocrite.When his Pirates advanced to the second round of the playoffs a few years ago due to the one and done wild card,he liked that format,the fact there was not one peep from him complaining about it then since his pirates won. the next couple years because they LOST both times,all of a sudden he hates it now.

pathetic how he doesnt hate it when his pirates WIN and then advance further in the playoffs because of the one and done format.

there was no whining from him back then when they WON. only when they lose does he decide he all of a sudden hates it.

If that isnt a freaking hypocrite,i dont know what is.


He lost his credibility saying Ali was a moron.Everybody that knew him knew was indeed very intelligent.That was why he beat the greatest fighters in the world was he had smarts.

Yeah he would have committed suicide 30 YEARS ago had he had parkinsons diseace like he did instead of keeping up the fight.

This troll is probably one of those idiots who think Tyson had he been born in the same generation of Ali,would have beat Ali.

Ali beat the greatest fighters in the world,Tyson never fought the quality of foes Ali did.Ali sure would never have lost to a nobody like Buster Douglas either.

Tyson could not last more than a few rounds.He always had to put his opponents away early.Ali would have been too smart to get baited into getting too close to him to be knocked out by him,he would have worn him out after a couple of rounds and knocked him out after hitting his glass jaw many said he had.

btw,since you were gone from this section for so long and never posted in my Rams thread,i thought you died or something?

Kudos for a great post. I kind of went into hibernation in this section....but I'm catching up.

Preseason is just around the corner and we will be commenting a lot!

Great seeing you!

i forgot,are you a chargers fan or an LA Ram fan? when the Rams left LA they became my most hated team that i rooted against each week so i switched to the chargers but it wasnt the same,i dont live and die with the chargers as i did with the Rams which is why this is the first time in 22 years i am actually excited about the NFL season.


cant wait for their first preseason game against the cowboys. so with the rams back in LA,they are my favorite again and chargers second. You?

Actually I am not a Ram fan nor a Charger fan. I grew up in San Diego, and my high school football coach(Earl Faison) played for them and was not treated well by the organization. I loved my coach like a second Dad so it's very personal.

Never liked the Rams either, BUT, I'm a die hard Raiders fan dating back to the days of Ken Stabler, Fred Bilitnekoff and the greatest safety ever, Jack Tatum. Also, an old friend from my home town and my high school, Marcus Allen contributed big to their last Super Bowl victory.

Of course the Raiders have been plagued by antiquated coaching and turnover for years, but win, lose or draw I'm still a fan,

IF you rooted for the Raiders when they moved to LA during the Marcus Allen years,your not a true Raider fan because if the Raiders dont play in Oakland,then they aren't the Raiders.

That was in reality the OAKLAND Raiders that won that superbowl with the majority of those players being drafted out of Oakland. Marcus Allen was one of the very few LA players on that squad.

The OAKLAND Raiders got screwed in the last superbowl. They should have won that game.the Coach of that game through that game so his buddy John Gruden could win because he hated the players and the organization.
Did you know about that?
He changed the game plan a mere 48 hours before the game,something no coach had ever done in all the hundreds of games Tim Brown had played in with the Raiders all his time. He is a criminal who should have been jailed.

here is the story on that if you were not aware of it.the Raiders are the real superbowl champs.How Callahan escaped prosecution is no surprise to me since the NFL is the same as politicians,corrupt,same as how politicians get away with crimes we go to jail for same as them.

again here is the story how callahan through the game. many other oakland players agree with rice and brown as well.

http://deadspin.com/5978147/jerry-rice-and-tim-brown-say-bill-callahan-threw-super-bowl-xxxvii

Very interesting and thanks for the article. I'm going to be seeing Marcus in San Diego next week for a memorial event at the old high school and I'm going to ask him about this. As irony would have it, my high school coach passed away this week....more to follow.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Indeed,this guy is a freaking hypocrite hense WHY its no surprise that the lone two posters that liked his posts are trolls who talk to themselves. One who has his head up Brady and Belicheats ass,the other a zionist paid shiil.

This troll is a hypocrite.When his Pirates advanced to the second round of the playoffs a few years ago due to the one and done wild card,he liked that format,the fact there was not one peep from him complaining about it then since his pirates won. the next couple years because they LOST both times,all of a sudden he hates it now.

pathetic how he doesnt hate it when his pirates WIN and then advance further in the playoffs because of the one and done format.

there was no whining from him back then when they WON. only when they lose does he decide he all of a sudden hates it.

If that isnt a freaking hypocrite,i dont know what is.


He lost his credibility saying Ali was a moron.Everybody that knew him knew was indeed very intelligent.That was why he beat the greatest fighters in the world was he had smarts.

Yeah he would have committed suicide 30 YEARS ago had he had parkinsons diseace like he did instead of keeping up the fight.

This troll is probably one of those idiots who think Tyson had he been born in the same generation of Ali,would have beat Ali.

Ali beat the greatest fighters in the world,Tyson never fought the quality of foes Ali did.Ali sure would never have lost to a nobody like Buster Douglas either.

Tyson could not last more than a few rounds.He always had to put his opponents away early.Ali would have been too smart to get baited into getting too close to him to be knocked out by him,he would have worn him out after a couple of rounds and knocked him out after hitting his glass jaw many said he had.

btw,since you were gone from this section for so long and never posted in my Rams thread,i thought you died or something?

Kudos for a great post. I kind of went into hibernation in this section....but I'm catching up.

Preseason is just around the corner and we will be commenting a lot!

Great seeing you!

i forgot,are you a chargers fan or an LA Ram fan? when the Rams left LA they became my most hated team that i rooted against each week so i switched to the chargers but it wasnt the same,i dont live and die with the chargers as i did with the Rams which is why this is the first time in 22 years i am actually excited about the NFL season.


cant wait for their first preseason game against the cowboys. so with the rams back in LA,they are my favorite again and chargers second. You?

Actually I am not a Ram fan nor a Charger fan. I grew up in San Diego, and my high school football coach(Earl Faison) played for them and was not treated well by the organization. I loved my coach like a second Dad so it's very personal.

Never liked the Rams either, BUT, I'm a die hard Raiders fan dating back to the days of Ken Stabler, Fred Bilitnekoff and the greatest safety ever, Jack Tatum. Also, an old friend from my home town and my high school, Marcus Allen contributed big to their last Super Bowl victory.

Of course the Raiders have been plagued by antiquated coaching and turnover for years, but win, lose or draw I'm still a fan,

IF you rooted for the Raiders when they moved to LA during the Marcus Allen years,your not a true Raider fan because if the Raiders dont play in Oakland,then they aren't the Raiders.

That was in reality the OAKLAND Raiders that won that superbowl with the majority of those players being drafted out of Oakland. Marcus Allen was one of the very few LA players on that squad.

The OAKLAND Raiders got screwed in the last superbowl. They should have won that game.the Coach of that game through that game so his buddy John Gruden could win because he hated the players and the organization.
Did you know about that?
He changed the game plan a mere 48 hours before the game,something no coach had ever done in all the hundreds of games Tim Brown had played in with the Raiders all his time. He is a criminal who should have been jailed.

here is the story on that if you were not aware of it.the Raiders are the real superbowl champs.How Callahan escaped prosecution is no surprise to me since the NFL is the same as politicians,corrupt,same as how politicians get away with crimes we go to jail for same as them.

again here is the story how callahan through the game. many other oakland players agree with rice and brown as well.

http://deadspin.com/5978147/jerry-rice-and-tim-brown-say-bill-callahan-threw-super-bowl-xxxvii

Very interesting and thanks for the article. I'm going to be seeing Marcus in San Diego next week for a memorial event at the old high school and I'm going to ask him about this. As irony would have it, my high school coach passed away this week....more to follow.

wow that is ironic. when you see Allen,tell him he is no true Raider if he wants the Raiders back in LA because he would be a flip flopping fair weather fan endorcing a team to flip flop all the time like they would be doing if they did.

. Even Ronnie Lott who played for the Raiders for one year in LA,even HE says the Raiders belong in Oakland. that is hysterical that Lott who played for the LA Raiders is heavily involved in a group leading the charge to keep them in Oakland,thats a real major slap to the LA TRAITER fans in LA who want them back.


Even Lott recognizes that the Raiders identity is Oakland,that if they dont play in Oakland,then they are not the Raiders same as the Rams are not the Rams if they dont play in LA.


Anyways sure has been fun handing the OP his ass to him on a platter on this thread hasnt it? he can only sling shit in defeat like the monkey troll he is.

which is what i would expect from a hypocrite who whines about the one and done wildcard when his team loses yet when his team benefits from it,not one peep comes from him.

 

[katsteve2012]

Kudos for a great post. I kind of went into hibernation in this section....but I'm catching up.

Preseason is just around the corner and we will be commenting a lot!

Great seeing you!

i forgot,are you a chargers fan or an LA Ram fan? when the Rams left LA they became my most hated team that i rooted against each week so i switched to the chargers but it wasnt the same,i dont live and die with the chargers as i did with the Rams which is why this is the first time in 22 years i am actually excited about the NFL season.


cant wait for their first preseason game against the cowboys. so with the rams back in LA,they are my favorite again and chargers second. You?

Actually I am not a Ram fan nor a Charger fan. I grew up in San Diego, and my high school football coach(Earl Faison) played for them and was not treated well by the organization. I loved my coach like a second Dad so it's very personal.

Never liked the Rams either, BUT, I'm a die hard Raiders fan dating back to the days of Ken Stabler, Fred Bilitnekoff and the greatest safety ever, Jack Tatum. Also, an old friend from my home town and my high school, Marcus Allen contributed big to their last Super Bowl victory.

Of course the Raiders have been plagued by antiquated coaching and turnover for years, but win, lose or draw I'm still a fan,

IF you rooted for the Raiders when they moved to LA during the Marcus Allen years,your not a true Raider fan because if the Raiders dont play in Oakland,then they aren't the Raiders.

That was in reality the OAKLAND Raiders that won that superbowl with the majority of those players being drafted out of Oakland. Marcus Allen was one of the very few LA players on that squad.

The OAKLAND Raiders got screwed in the last superbowl. They should have won that game.the Coach of that game through that game so his buddy John Gruden could win because he hated the players and the organization.
Did you know about that?
He changed the game plan a mere 48 hours before the game,something no coach had ever done in all the hundreds of games Tim Brown had played in with the Raiders all his time. He is a criminal who should have been jailed.

here is the story on that if you were not aware of it.the Raiders are the real superbowl champs.How Callahan escaped prosecution is no surprise to me since the NFL is the same as politicians,corrupt,same as how politicians get away with crimes we go to jail for same as them.

again here is the story how callahan through the game. many other oakland players agree with rice and brown as well.

http://deadspin.com/5978147/jerry-rice-and-tim-brown-say-bill-callahan-threw-super-bowl-xxxvii

Very interesting and thanks for the article. I'm going to be seeing Marcus in San Diego next week for a memorial event at the old high school and I'm going to ask him about this. As irony would have it, my high school coach passed away this week....more to follow.

wow that is ironic. when you see Allen,tell him he is no true Raider if he wants the Raiders back in LA because he would be a flip flopping fair weather fan endorcing a team to flip flop all the time like they would be doing if they did.

. Even Ronnie Lott who played for the Raiders for one year in LA,even HE says the Raiders belong in Oakland. that is hysterical that Lott who played for the LA Raiders is heavily involved in a group leading the charge to keep them in Oakland,thats a real major slap to the LA TRAITER fans in LA who want them back.


Even Lott recognizes that the Raiders identity is Oakland,that if they dont play in Oakland,then they are not the Raiders same as the Rams are not the Rams if they dont play in LA.


Anyways sure has been fun handing the OP his ass to him on a platter on this thread hasnt it? he can only sling shit in defeat like the monkey troll he is.

which is what i would expect from a hypocrite who whines about the one and done wildcard when his team loses yet when his team benefits from it,not one peep comes from him.

I agree with you that the Oakland Raiders were "the real" Raiders. L.A. was just a blip in Raider history.

I will be in San Diego tomorrow to get together with some old teammates and remember our coach.

Here is an article about him if you are interested. I will get back to you on the Superbowl conspiracy.....lol.
One great purpose this thread has served has been to illustrate how misinformed and ignorant some people can really be(referring to the thread title).

Chargers Hall of Famer Earl Faison Has Died

 

[LA RAM FAN]

i forgot,are you a chargers fan or an LA Ram fan? when the Rams left LA they became my most hated team that i rooted against each week so i switched to the chargers but it wasnt the same,i dont live and die with the chargers as i did with the Rams which is why this is the first time in 22 years i am actually excited about the NFL season.


cant wait for their first preseason game against the cowboys. so with the rams back in LA,they are my favorite again and chargers second. You?

Actually I am not a Ram fan nor a Charger fan. I grew up in San Diego, and my high school football coach(Earl Faison) played for them and was not treated well by the organization. I loved my coach like a second Dad so it's very personal.

Never liked the Rams either, BUT, I'm a die hard Raiders fan dating back to the days of Ken Stabler, Fred Bilitnekoff and the greatest safety ever, Jack Tatum. Also, an old friend from my home town and my high school, Marcus Allen contributed big to their last Super Bowl victory.

Of course the Raiders have been plagued by antiquated coaching and turnover for years, but win, lose or draw I'm still a fan,

IF you rooted for the Raiders when they moved to LA during the Marcus Allen years,your not a true Raider fan because if the Raiders dont play in Oakland,then they aren't the Raiders.

That was in reality the OAKLAND Raiders that won that superbowl with the majority of those players being drafted out of Oakland. Marcus Allen was one of the very few LA players on that squad.

The OAKLAND Raiders got screwed in the last superbowl. They should have won that game.the Coach of that game through that game so his buddy John Gruden could win because he hated the players and the organization.
Did you know about that?
He changed the game plan a mere 48 hours before the game,something no coach had ever done in all the hundreds of games Tim Brown had played in with the Raiders all his time. He is a criminal who should have been jailed.

here is the story on that if you were not aware of it.the Raiders are the real superbowl champs.How Callahan escaped prosecution is no surprise to me since the NFL is the same as politicians,corrupt,same as how politicians get away with crimes we go to jail for same as them.

again here is the story how callahan through the game. many other oakland players agree with rice and brown as well.

http://deadspin.com/5978147/jerry-rice-and-tim-brown-say-bill-callahan-threw-super-bowl-xxxvii

Very interesting and thanks for the article. I'm going to be seeing Marcus in San Diego next week for a memorial event at the old high school and I'm going to ask him about this. As irony would have it, my high school coach passed away this week....more to follow.

wow that is ironic. when you see Allen,tell him he is no true Raider if he wants the Raiders back in LA because he would be a flip flopping fair weather fan endorcing a team to flip flop all the time like they would be doing if they did.

. Even Ronnie Lott who played for the Raiders for one year in LA,even HE says the Raiders belong in Oakland. that is hysterical that Lott who played for the LA Raiders is heavily involved in a group leading the charge to keep them in Oakland,thats a real major slap to the LA TRAITER fans in LA who want them back.


Even Lott recognizes that the Raiders identity is Oakland,that if they dont play in Oakland,then they are not the Raiders same as the Rams are not the Rams if they dont play in LA.


Anyways sure has been fun handing the OP his ass to him on a platter on this thread hasnt it? he can only sling shit in defeat like the monkey troll he is.

which is what i would expect from a hypocrite who whines about the one and done wildcard when his team loses yet when his team benefits from it,not one peep comes from him.

I agree with you that the Oakland Raiders were "the real" Raiders. L.A. was just a blip in Raider history.

I will be in San Diego tomorrow to get together with some old teammates and remember our coach.

Here is an article about him if you are interested. I will get back to you on the Superbowl conspiracy.....lol.
One great purpose this thread has served has been to illustrate how misinformed and ignorant some people can really be(referring to the thread title).

Chargers Hall of Famer Earl Faison Has Died

Indeed,they are are misinformed,ignorant,and gullible as well. speaking of san diego,sure hope they get something done for a new stadium because they have one year left to try and do so or they can option to join the rams in inglewood. that would suck because the rams belong in LA,raiders in oakland,and chargers in SD.

ask around tomorrow and find out from those players what they think about the chargers situation. again pas that on to marcus what i said,that if he wants them back,then he is a FAIR WEATHER FLIP FLOPPING FAN not true to the history of the raiders.lol