Alexandria will seek to move Confederate statue and rename Jefferson Davis Highway

[Divine Wind]

Wish we could go for three

Of course you do. Most far Left Wingers love the idea of violating the Constitution reinterpreting our founding documents to their liking.

 

[beagle9]

Well after the event of slavery, there are groups or individuals out there, who will work tirelessly to make sure whites never agree or group together to do such a thing again, and so as we all go foward here, then the idea is to keep the whites separated, and the idea will become worse and worse as other groups pile on like we have seen over the years.

While I tend to agree, I'd also take out the race element (meaning "whites") and replace it with "human beings". It's human nature for people to contest for resources, power and control over their environment.

. Well in the context of this discussion, it is a white and black issue pertaining to history, and how much of it is preserved or allowed, but I also agree that humans do have a tendency to compete against each other as groups or as individuals for power, and for the things that you say they compete for. What the whites have to do, is be on the alert of the activist trying to use the old issues as an excuse to cause harm and/or unfair advantages, double standards, and reverse racism as a way to compete.

 

[Meathead]

I lived in Crystal City on Jeff Davis. As with much of Virginia it has (had) a proud history.

It is a shame that that history is being whitewashed. I get the irony.

 

[Divine Wind]

Well in the context of this discussion, it is a white and black issue pertaining to history, and how much of it is preserved or allowed, but I also agree that humans do have a tendency to compete against each other as groups or as individuals for power, and for the things that you say they compete for. What the whites have to do, is be on the alert of the activist trying to use the old issues as an excuse to cause harm and/or unfair advantages, double standards, and reverse racism as a way to compete.

Agreed we shouldn't allow double standards, but we shouldn't allow any kind of racism or favoritism. We have too much as it is from assholes on both sides of the aisle.

Still, the best way to protect our rights, IMHO, is to protect the rights of all Americans.

 

[beagle9]

Why should we celebrate traitors to our country ?

It's history. What next? Remove Civil War information from text books because the Confederacy has to be mentioned?

Nope, just write the confederacy for what it was .. a shit stain on American history.

Nothing 'glorious' about it.

. Set aside the need for slave labor as was thought of back in that time period, and then let's look at what type of white culture existed back then, and for which had existed outside of the workings of slavery, plantations, and all that was going on in that area of the time period. Otherwise let's look at the difference between Nazi's and Germans in the same ways maybe...

Now how do you think the white culture (aside from the plantation owners) looked at a people who were pulled out of Africa, put onto plantations as slave labor back then ????? A people who were put there because of their physical attributes, mentality, and vulnerabilities right ???

Is it perceived that the whites were a more acceptable civilized white culture & society at that time period ?? The fear of the unknowns found in the African people was a sad state of affairs in which they (the Africans) were caught up in, and it made whites highly skeptical of the Africans being accepted into their society at large back then, and for years to come afterwards... This caused a rejection of them (the Africans) to be openly accepted by the majority of whites at the time, and it was of no fault of the Africans that this was happening, because they were brought here from a culture that was so very different than the European culture here was at the time ??

It's sad in the way that the two were brought together back in that time period, but that's all history now... It made for a sad situation that had consequences for years and years to come for both sides. Now to be fair, the African Americans if we're established here first back then, would they have also have rejected a people in the same way if the shoe were on the other foot maybe ? For example below :

African Americans are just like anyone else right, where as they are not willing to compromise their culture, ideals, family values, and safety as Americans by allowing for example, a skin head culture to come into their community for a myriad of reasons right ?? Not to say there is a comparison between African Americans and the skin heads, but the perception was the same back then or during slavery time I mean to illustrate maybe... The same thinking would also be found amongst the African Americans as were the whites back then on the matter if the situation was the same I think.. So what if the skin heads wanted to join up with, and infiltrate the black culture, and go with their daughters, and impact their childrens thinking etc. ???

Now what if these skin heads were brought here from another land to be worked as slaves on plantations, and then you as a black person were to see them in the fields working, and you would say to your father " father, why are those people out there in those fields working like that father", and why do you see some of them with chains on their feet father ??? Then your black father would says to you son, "well son you see they came here from a land far far away, and they were sold here as laborers by the other skin heads that occupied their lands". The black son says next... Father, did they do something wrong that they were sold like that, and now they have to be in that situation ???? The black father says, I'm not sure son, but that probably could be the case, so stay away from them ok... I ask would the same rejection be given by the blacks unto them in such a case ? Do they really understand what's wrong with skinhead culture, and would they be willing to work to help them reform or would they just want them dead or sent back if we're freed ??

Was there a huge cultural clash between what the whites knew about these Africans, and what they didn't know about the Africans fully at the time, and for whom had a very strange culture in which had allowed them to be captured by their own people, and then sold into slavery across vast stretches of oceans all over the world ? Was there a fear that Africans weren't living right as a culture, and this was thought of by the whites throughout time because of the situation they were in, and then to have allowed such a thing to take place against them as it were ?? Did this cause a looking down upon or a disrespect to happen because of the terrible things that they had allowed to take place against them as a people back then ??? Did the whites figure that such a thing was not to be allowed to be transferred into the white culture, so the white culture felt it best to reject the Africans at the time, because of the situation that they had gotten themselves into, and couldn't get themselves out of ?? Just trying to understand history, and why things happen is all. It was all a huge misunderstanding on everyone's parts back then, but we sure have come along way from that craziness over time.

I suggest that you read slave narratives such as those posted below. The words you're missing in your premise is 'racist hate.'
American Slave Narratives

The horrors of slavery and the ungodly treatment of captured Africans were about far, far more than misunderstanding. The divide that still exists to this day is testament to that truth. The very fact that blacks have been in this country for more than 400 years and have only been relatively free for 51 years demonstrates that misunderstanding had little to do with it.

. And blacks have absolutely no responsibility in making their race a race to reckon with in the ideals of values, morals, standards, education, lifting themselves up, working hard, manors, culture, carrying themselves in a decent and very uplifting way, neighborly, helpful, peaceful etc. ??? All their problems are absolutely no fault of their own (their perfect), and so it has always just been the white hatred and racism that has caused them to be who they were when they are bad, and what has held them back for 349 years here ???? Wow.

 

[beagle9]

Well in the context of this discussion, it is a white and black issue pertaining to history, and how much of it is preserved or allowed, but I also agree that humans do have a tendency to compete against each other as groups or as individuals for power, and for the things that you say they compete for. What the whites have to do, is be on the alert of the activist trying to use the old issues as an excuse to cause harm and/or unfair advantages, double standards, and reverse racism as a way to compete.

Agreed we shouldn't allow double standards, but we shouldn't allow any kind of racism or favoritism. We have too much as it is from assholes on both sides of the aisle.

Still, the best way to protect our rights, IMHO, is to protect the rights of all Americans.

. Yep, all lives matter.

 

[Meathead]

Yep, all lives matter.

You do know that's racist, right?

 

[beagle9]

Yep, all lives matter.

You do know that's racist, right?

. Who knows what is racist or not anymore... lol. People are blindly striking at everything these days, and most have never seen a real racist in their lives. They Love making the Boogeyman up these days.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Why should we celebrate traitors to our country ?

It's history. What next? Remove Civil War information from text books because the Confederacy has to be mentioned?

Nope, just write the confederacy for what it was .. a shit stain on American history.

Nothing 'glorious' about it.

Our history books should not glorify the Confederacy. It was a nation built to ensure that the right to own other human beings could not be taken away

From the Confederate Constitution:

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 prohibited the Confederate government from restricting slavery in any way:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."


No state was allowed to pass laws that impacted the ability to own slaves

American history is more clearly seen as His-story, less an account of real history. Full of made-up heroes and false stories of 'glory.'

The good news is that today the confederacy and all those who supported it are been seen more clearly as the evil they most certainly were.

 

[Hossfly]

Any of you Left-headed wingnuts who served in the Army ever stationed at one of these posts? Did you realize who it was named for and how many times Dead-headed Liberal Pukes tried to have them renamed? Never happen, G.I.


Camp Beauregard, La., honors Louisiana native and Confederate General Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard (1818-1893, West Point class of 1838). It is a major training site for the Louisiana National Guard. Beauregard was the first brigadier general in the Confederate army. Dispatched to defend Charleston, S.C., his troops began shelling Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, launching the Civil War.

Fort Benning, Ga., honors Brigadier General Henry Benning (1814-1875), a Georgia lawyer, politician, judge and supporter of slavery. The Army established Camp Benning, known as the Home of the Infantry, in 1918; it became a fort four years later 1950 (forts generally are bigger, more permanent installations than camps). “In the wake of Lincoln’s election, Benning became one of Georgia’s most vocal proponents of secession,” according to the New Georgia Encyclopedia. “On November 19, 1860, he delivered a speech before the state legislature urging immediate secession, ending the speech by saying,`[L]et us do our duty; and what is our duty? I say, men of Georgia, let us lift up our voices and shout, “Ho! for independence!” Let us follow the example of our ancestors, and prove ourselves worthy sons of worthy sires!’”

Fort Bragg, N.C., honors General Braxton Bragg (1817-1876, West Point class of 1837). He waged war ploddingly with frontal assaults, and a lack of post-battle follow-through that turned battlefield successes into post-battle disappointments. “Even Bragg’s staunchest supporters admonished him for his quick temper, general irritability, and tendency to wound innocent men with barbs thrown during his frequent fits of anger,” historian Peter Cozzens has written. “His reluctance to praise or flatter was exceeded, we are told, only by the tenacity with which, once formed, he clung to an adverse impression of a subordinate. For such officers—and they were many in the Army of the Mississippi—Bragg’s removal or their transfer were the only alternatives to an unbearable existence.”

Fort Gordon, Ga., honors Lieut. General John Brown Gordon (1832-1904), one of Lee’s most-trusted officers. The post began as Camp Gordon in 1917; it became Fort Gordon in 1956. It is home to the Army Signal Corps and the service’s Cyber Center of Excellence. “Generally acknowledged as the head of the Ku Klux Klan in Georgia, he was elected to the U.S. Senate in 1872,” according to the New Georgia Encyclopedia (Gordon denied the charge). “By the time of his death in 1904, Gordon had capitalized on his war record to such an extent that he had become for many Georgians, and southerners in general, the living embodiment of the Confederacy.”

Fort A.P. Hill, Va., honors Virginia native Lieut. General A.P. Hill (1825-1865, West Point class of 1847). The Army created the post six months before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941. Today it is a training and maneuver center focused on providing realistic joint and combined-arms training. Hill had a frail physique and was frequently ill, attributes some historians believe are linked to the gonorrhea he contracted while on furlough from West Point (an infection that forced him to repeat his third year). A Union soldier from Pennsylvania shot and killed Hill in Petersburg, Va., a week before the end of the Civil War.

U.S. Army, from Fort A.P. Hill’s website
Fort Hood, Texas, honors native Kentuckian General John Bell Hood (1831-1879, West Point class of 1853). The post began as Camp Hood in 1942, becoming a fort in 1950. It is the largest active duty armored post in the U.S. military. Hood was wounded at Gettysburg, losing the use of his left arm. Despite that, he led his troops in a massive assault during the Battle of Chickamauga, suffering wounds that led to the loss of his right leg.

Fort Lee, Va., honors Virginian General Robert E. Lee (1807-1870, West Point class of 1829), the South’s commanding officer by the Civil War’s end. The War Department created Camp Lee within weeks of declaring war on Germany in 1917. The Pentagon promoted it to Fort Lee in 1950. Just south of Richmond, the capital of the Confederacy, the post is home to the Army Quartermaster School. Lee was the Confederacy’s most renowned general, and his forces inflicted tens of thousands of casualties on Union soldiers’ at Antietam, Gettysburg and Manassas.

Fort Pickett, Va., honors Major General George Pickett (1825-1875, West Point class of 1846), a Virginia native. Pickett’s 1863 charge at Gettysburg has been called “the high-water mark of the Confederacy” before ending up a Union victory. The charge resulted in a rebel bloodbath. Pickett fled to Canada for a year after the war ended, fearing execution as a traitor. Camp Pickett was dedicated on July 3, 1942, at 3 p.m., 79 years to the day and hour of Pickett’s charge in Gettysburg. It became a fort in 1974 and now is a Virginia Army National Guard installation.

Fort Polk, La., honors Lieut. General Leonidas Polk (1806-1864, West Point class of 1827), an Episcopal bishop born in North Carolina. Established in 1941, the post is now home to the Army’s Joint Readiness Training Center, which trains thousands of soldiers annually for overseas deployments. Polk fought bitterly during the Civil War with his immediate superior, General Braxton Bragg, of Fort Bragg fame. Before being killed in action in 1864 during the Atlanta campaign, Polk committed one of the biggest blunders of the war. He sent troops to occupy Columbus, Ky., which led the Kentucky legislature to appeal to Washington for help, ending the state’s brief try at neutrality.

Fort Rucker, Alabama, honors Tennessee native Colonel Edmund Rucker (1835-1924) who was often called “general” but never attained the rank (he was known as “general” after becoming a leading Birmingham, Ala., industrialist after the Civil War). Known today as the Home of Army Aviation, Fort Rucker was originally the Ozark Triangular Division Camp before being renamed Camp Rucker in 1942. It became Fort Rucker in 1955.


Ten Army Bases Named for Confederate Officers

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Good!! they should move the statue to a museum where it belongs



In a town that once took considerable pride in its Confederate past, the Alexandria City Council voted unanimously Saturday to change the name of Jefferson Davis Highway and seek permission from the Virginia General Assembly to move a renowned statue of a Confederate soldier in historic Old Town.

The council’s actions went beyond the recommendations of a task force that studied what to do about the city’s controversial Confederate symbols, but not as far as some residents wanted.

After a lengthy public hearing, the council agreed to try to relocate the “Appomattox” statue from the busy intersection of Prince and Washington streets, where thousands of motorists pass it each day. The pensive and unarmed south-facing Confederate soldier would be moved to a local history museum on the same corner.


It was just a year ago that the city decided to end its practice of hanging three Confederate flags from traffic light poles at the “Appomattox” statue on Lee’s birthday and on Confederate Memorial Day.

Alexandria will seek to move Confederate statue and rename Jefferson Davis Highway

About time they abandoned their traitor past

Ya know I drove past that statue probably a couple of hundred times and I don't even remember what it looks like. Given the traffic there and the fact most people aren't paying attention to the statue I can safely estimate that 98 percent of the people driving by it also never paid attention to it either. Pretty much this is a non issue except for a very few highly butt hurt people.

. Not to say one way or the other about how people feel about things in a compassionate way, but like I said to take away one part of that history is to take away all of it. To leave one part of it will be used to try and crush another with, and that isn't happening. To keep tryin is to be seen as agenda riddled, and is suspect.

Who said anything about taking it away? The history of slavery in the US should be told as the shit-stained evil that it truly was. Take away all the symbols and vestiges of that evil no differently than the Swastika in Germany. Don't make heroes and honor out of monsters and ungodly evil.

Simple

 

[Divine Wind]

Yep, all lives matter.

Agreed 100%. To break people out by race is, by definition, racist. Ergo, BLM is a racist organization.

OTOH, it is disturbing that blacks are treated more harshly than whites by police (regardless of race), although studies show police shoot equally regardless of race.

An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force

It's also disturbing that some black populations have chosen to embrace a "gangsta" culture to the point that the number one cause of death for black males age 15-34 years old is other black males: http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2013/blackmales2013.pdf

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6


Leading Causes of Death in Males - Men's Health - CDC

 

[BlackAsCoal]

:0) If you think it's bad now that symbols of the confederacy are ending up in the garbage dump .. stick around to see what happens to the rest of the confederate garbage after Trump loses and you racist clowns hand the Supreme Court over to Hillary Clinton and democrats .. with Obama possibly taking a seat on the Court.

Stick around as more states become minority-majority .. see what happens to the old south.

 

[Divine Wind]

:0) If you think it's bad now that symbols of the confederacy are ending up in the garbage dump .. stick around to see what happens to the rest of the confederate garbage after Trump loses and you racist clowns hand the Supreme Court over to Hillary Clinton and democrats .. with Obama possibly taking a seat on the Court.

Stick around as more states become minority-majority .. see what happens to the old south.

Not sure who you are talking to. Yourself?

Yes, Trump will likely lose, and whites will become a minority....but still out number blacks. Must suck for all the racists who hate whites, eh? Plus, most of the whites will be older...old white people. That really scares the shit out of liberal racists doesn't it? ROFL

What America will look like in 2050, in 4 charts

 

[BlackAsCoal]

:0) If you think it's bad now that symbols of the confederacy are ending up in the garbage dump .. stick around to see what happens to the rest of the confederate garbage after Trump loses and you racist clowns hand the Supreme Court over to Hillary Clinton and democrats .. with Obama possibly taking a seat on the Court.

Stick around as more states become minority-majority .. see what happens to the old south.

Not sure who you are talking to. Yourself?

Yes, Trump will likely lose, and whites will become a minority....but still out number blacks. Must suck for all the racists who hate whites, eh? Plus, most of the whites will be older...old white people. That really scares the shit out of liberal racists doesn't it? ROFL

What America will look like in 2050, in 4 charts

Who the **** are you talking to?

Whites outnumbering other people isn't the problem .. white people aren't the problem, but pinkies are the problem. I consider racist whites as pink people. Helps clear up the distinctions .. and without question there will be far fewer pinkies with far less political power.

Additionally, as demonstrated in this election, there is a growing divide between educated whites and the uneducated who make up the vast majority of Trump supporters.

Neither liberals nor democrats fear the future .. but pinkies are losing their minds just thinking about it as they have already lost just about every social issue they care about .. and guns are next.

Go in peace :0)

 

[tinydancer]

Why should we celebrate traitors to our country ?

It's history. What next? Remove Civil War information from text books because the Confederacy has to be mentioned?

No, just put it in it's proper context.

"In 1861, a bunch of rich assholes wanted to keep owning other human beings, and they got a bunch of poor dumb white assholes to die by the thousands in a war that they should have known from the outset they couldn't possibly win."

You treat the Confederacy the way Germany treats the Nazis. As something you should be PROFOUNDLY ashamed of.

Well you have to start out with the lie that the civil war was about slavery don't you?

Now it galls me to all get out to defend the Democrats in the south at this time with Lincoln coming after them to vanquish them because of his industrialization of the north that forced the southern Democrats in their rebellions.

But the D's in the south truly prosperous rebelled against the northern industrialization. Who enslaved who? Don't you understand what was happening in the north at the same time?

The Civil War has many layers. It's like peeling an onion and what you end up with is many truths and many lies.

 

[WillowTree]

Good!! they should move the statue to a museum where it belongs



In a town that once took considerable pride in its Confederate past, the Alexandria City Council voted unanimously Saturday to change the name of Jefferson Davis Highway and seek permission from the Virginia General Assembly to move a renowned statue of a Confederate soldier in historic Old Town.

The council’s actions went beyond the recommendations of a task force that studied what to do about the city’s controversial Confederate symbols, but not as far as some residents wanted.

After a lengthy public hearing, the council agreed to try to relocate the “Appomattox” statue from the busy intersection of Prince and Washington streets, where thousands of motorists pass it each day. The pensive and unarmed south-facing Confederate soldier would be moved to a local history museum on the same corner.


It was just a year ago that the city decided to end its practice of hanging three Confederate flags from traffic light poles at the “Appomattox” statue on Lee’s birthday and on Confederate Memorial Day.

Alexandria will seek to move Confederate statue and rename Jefferson Davis Highway

About time they abandoned their traitor past

Ya know I drove past that statue probably a couple of hundred times and I don't even remember what it looks like. Given the traffic there and the fact most people aren't paying attention to the statue I can safely estimate that 98 percent of the people driving by it also never paid attention to it either. Pretty much this is a non issue except for a very few highly butt hurt people.

. Not to say one way or the other about how people feel about things in a compassionate way, but like I said to take away one part of that history is to take away all of it. To leave one part of it will be used to try and crush another with, and that isn't happening. To keep tryin is to be seen as agenda riddled, and is suspect.

Who said anything about taking it away? The history of slavery in the US should be told as the shit-stained evil that it truly was. Take away all the symbols and vestiges of that evil no differently than the Swastika in Germany. Don't make heroes and honor out of monsters and ungodly evil.

Simple

So let us refuse to fly black live matter flags!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Good!! they should move the statue to a museum where it belongs



In a town that once took considerable pride in its Confederate past, the Alexandria City Council voted unanimously Saturday to change the name of Jefferson Davis Highway and seek permission from the Virginia General Assembly to move a renowned statue of a Confederate soldier in historic Old Town.

The council’s actions went beyond the recommendations of a task force that studied what to do about the city’s controversial Confederate symbols, but not as far as some residents wanted.

After a lengthy public hearing, the council agreed to try to relocate the “Appomattox” statue from the busy intersection of Prince and Washington streets, where thousands of motorists pass it each day. The pensive and unarmed south-facing Confederate soldier would be moved to a local history museum on the same corner.


It was just a year ago that the city decided to end its practice of hanging three Confederate flags from traffic light poles at the “Appomattox” statue on Lee’s birthday and on Confederate Memorial Day.

Alexandria will seek to move Confederate statue and rename Jefferson Davis Highway

About time they abandoned their traitor past

Ya know I drove past that statue probably a couple of hundred times and I don't even remember what it looks like. Given the traffic there and the fact most people aren't paying attention to the statue I can safely estimate that 98 percent of the people driving by it also never paid attention to it either. Pretty much this is a non issue except for a very few highly butt hurt people.

. Not to say one way or the other about how people feel about things in a compassionate way, but like I said to take away one part of that history is to take away all of it. To leave one part of it will be used to try and crush another with, and that isn't happening. To keep tryin is to be seen as agenda riddled, and is suspect.

Who said anything about taking it away? The history of slavery in the US should be told as the shit-stained evil that it truly was. Take away all the symbols and vestiges of that evil no differently than the Swastika in Germany. Don't make heroes and honor out of monsters and ungodly evil.

Simple

So let us refuse to fly black live matter flags!

That would be racist....or something

 

[WillowTree]

:0) If you think it's bad now that symbols of the confederacy are ending up in the garbage dump .. stick around to see what happens to the rest of the confederate garbage after Trump loses and you racist clowns hand the Supreme Court over to Hillary Clinton and democrats .. with Obama possibly taking a seat on the Court.

Stick around as more states become minority-majority .. see what happens to the old south.

Not sure who you are talking to. Yourself?

Yes, Trump will likely lose, and whites will become a minority....but still out number blacks. Must suck for all the racists who hate whites, eh? Plus, most of the whites will be older...old white people. That really scares the shit out of liberal racists doesn't it? ROFL

What America will look like in 2050, in 4 charts

Who the **** are you talking to?

Whites outnumbering other people isn't the problem .. white people aren't the problem, but pinkies are the problem. I consider racist whites as pink people. Helps clear up the distinctions .. and without question there will be far fewer pinkies with far less political power.

Additionally, as demonstrated in this election, there is a growing divide between educated whites and the uneducated who make up the vast majority of Trump supporters.

Neither liberals nor democrats fear the future .. but pinkies are losing their minds just thinking about it as they have already lost just about every social issue they care about .. and guns are next.

Go in peace :0)

What do you consider racist blacks?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Good!! they should move the statue to a museum where it belongs



In a town that once took considerable pride in its Confederate past, the Alexandria City Council voted unanimously Saturday to change the name of Jefferson Davis Highway and seek permission from the Virginia General Assembly to move a renowned statue of a Confederate soldier in historic Old Town.

The council’s actions went beyond the recommendations of a task force that studied what to do about the city’s controversial Confederate symbols, but not as far as some residents wanted.

After a lengthy public hearing, the council agreed to try to relocate the “Appomattox” statue from the busy intersection of Prince and Washington streets, where thousands of motorists pass it each day. The pensive and unarmed south-facing Confederate soldier would be moved to a local history museum on the same corner.


It was just a year ago that the city decided to end its practice of hanging three Confederate flags from traffic light poles at the “Appomattox” statue on Lee’s birthday and on Confederate Memorial Day.

Alexandria will seek to move Confederate statue and rename Jefferson Davis Highway

About time they abandoned their traitor past

Ya know I drove past that statue probably a couple of hundred times and I don't even remember what it looks like. Given the traffic there and the fact most people aren't paying attention to the statue I can safely estimate that 98 percent of the people driving by it also never paid attention to it either. Pretty much this is a non issue except for a very few highly butt hurt people.

. Not to say one way or the other about how people feel about things in a compassionate way, but like I said to take away one part of that history is to take away all of it. To leave one part of it will be used to try and crush another with, and that isn't happening. To keep tryin is to be seen as agenda riddled, and is suspect.

Who said anything about taking it away? The history of slavery in the US should be told as the shit-stained evil that it truly was. Take away all the symbols and vestiges of that evil no differently than the Swastika in Germany. Don't make heroes and honor out of monsters and ungodly evil.

Simple

They were wonderful brave men who fought bravely with honor and integrity. The sad day was the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Had he lived, his intention was to cleanse the nation of black people by rounding them up and shipping them back to Africa.