Albert Einstein: Up Close and Personal!

[thebrucebeat]

So your claim has as much validity as you our high school diploma?

See the red part of your post.
In my high school we learned basic grammar.
Was that the advanced class in yours?

Where in this thread is the statement "Einstein subscribed to the Abrahamic religion"?

Nowhere, my grammatically challenged friend.
You are trying to paint Einstein as a believer of some kind, to co-opt him, when all he really believed in was the wonder of the unknown. He had no concept of what god might be, or any characteristics of a god. He simply had the humility not to be categorical about any of it, preferring to remain agnostic in his views in deference to the impossibility of answering the question at all in any way that was useful to anyone.

 

[PoliticalChic]

See the red part of your post.
In my high school we learned basic grammar.
Was that the advanced class in yours?

Where in this thread is the statement "Einstein subscribed to the Abrahamic religion"?

Nowhere, my grammatically challenged friend.
You are trying to paint Einstein as a believer of some kind, to co-opt him, when all he really believed in was the wonder of the unknown. He had no concept of what god might be, or any characteristics of a god. He simply had the humility not to be categorical about any of it, preferring to remain agnostic in his views in deference to the impossibility of answering the question at all in any way that was useful to anyone.

1. My grammar is flawless....keeping up with your mistakes can cause typos.
But you knew that....you were simply trying to cloud the issue of your vacuity.
Another bit of dishonesty?


2. "Nowhere,....[does the thread claim "Einstein subscribed to the Abrahamic religion"]
So....what are you admitting?

a. That you pretended that I claimed "Einstein subscribed to the Abrahamic religion" and, actually, it was a fabrication on your part?


b. That you didn't read the thread, merely intending to exhibit some brilliance? That didn't work out too well,did it.

c. That you are a low-life cur whose raison d'être is to attack other folk's beliefs?

d. And, as per post #19....are you prepared to also admit that Einstein's belief in religion was hardly "formless and without details"?


That your new sig line should be "so many errors to make, so little time"?



To which felonious infraction are you copping?




3. "You are trying to paint Einstein as a believer of some kind,..."

Not "trying," you moron......succeeding.

Read the thread. Over and over he proclaims same.

If I have time tomorrow I will go even further.





4. " He had no concept of what god might be, or any characteristics of a god."

Then, explain this from the OP.

"Albert Einstein believed in something like Spinoza's "God": a powerful entity that transcends the world. To Einstein, "God" was the maker of the laws of physics that he, Einstein, saw as his life's role to uncover."

In many ways and at many times Albert Einstein validates that statement.


5. Now...as you address me as "... my grammatically challenged friend," a friend may ask a somewhat personal question....one which your psychiatrists have brought up, no doubt, numerous times.....
....why do you find it necessary to pretend that a disbelief in God is superior to a belief?
Neither view is provable....."What's The Dillio?"


And why does same in others cause you to immediately attack same?
I can't imagine a religious person attacking one who chooses not to believe.....

 

[thebrucebeat]

Where in this thread is the statement "Einstein subscribed to the Abrahamic religion"?

Nowhere, my grammatically challenged friend.
You are trying to paint Einstein as a believer of some kind, to co-opt him, when all he really believed in was the wonder of the unknown. He had no concept of what god might be, or any characteristics of a god. He simply had the humility not to be categorical about any of it, preferring to remain agnostic in his views in deference to the impossibility of answering the question at all in any way that was useful to anyone.

1. My grammar is flawless....keeping up with your mistakes can cause typos.
But you knew that....you were simply trying to cloud the issue of your vacuity.
Another bit of dishonesty?


2. "Nowhere,....[does the thread claim "Einstein subscribed to the Abrahamic religion"]
So....what are you admitting?

a. That you pretended that I claimed "Einstein subscribed to the Abrahamic religion" and, actually, it was a fabrication on your part?


b. That you didn't read the thread, merely intending to exhibit some brilliance? That didn't work out too well,did it.

c. That you are a low-life cur whose raison d'être is to attack other folk's beliefs?

d. And, as per post #19....are you prepared to also admit that Einstein's belief in religion was hardly "formless and without details"?


That your new sig line should be "so many errors to make, so little time"?



To which felonious infraction are you copping?




3. "You are trying to paint Einstein as a believer of some kind,..."

Not "trying," you moron......succeeding.

Read the thread. Over and over he proclaims same.

If I have time tomorrow I will go even further.





4. " He had no concept of what god might be, or any characteristics of a god."

Then, explain this from the OP.

"Albert Einstein believed in something like Spinoza's "God": a powerful entity that transcends the world. To Einstein, "God" was the maker of the laws of physics that he, Einstein, saw as his life's role to uncover."

In many ways and at many times Albert Einstein validates that statement.


5. Now...as you address me as "... my grammatically challenged friend," a friend may ask a somewhat personal question....one which your psychiatrists have brought up, no doubt, numerous times.....
....why do you find it necessary to pretend that a disbelief in God is superior to a belief?
Neither view is provable....."What's The Dillio?"


And why does same in others cause you to immediately attack same?
I can't imagine a religious person attacking one who chooses not to believe.....

You blew it again.
Nowhere did I say I didn't believe in god. Or did.
And nowhere does Einstein describe any characteristics of a god, except to say that a personal god is a childlike idea.
Some third party attributes Spinoza's concept as Einstein's. Einstein does nothing of the kind, so your "proof" is lacking. It is simply an editorial.
I never made the claim that you said Einstein followed an Abrahamic religion. I never suggested you did.
Your argumentation skills are really quite challenged.
Your desperation is apparent in the constant attempts to demean without argument.

 

[thebrucebeat]

Einstein believed in God you'd have to be a fool and a liar to know ANYTHING about Einstein and come away with a different impression.

The Lord said "Let there be Light" and Einstein asked, What would happen if I took a ride on it

Read my signature.
Einstein had the humility to not rule out some kind of overarching power, but never believed in the personal god that the Abrahamic religions try to sell.
He found them "child-like".

Do you share Einstein's humility?

Sorry. I missed this post.
On this issue, absolutely.
Before you get too excited, though, I also share his belief that the idea of a personal god is childlike.
This is my signature for a reason.

 

[SmedlyButler]

When I saw this post on the active list I thought to myself, "There she goes again attacking an amazing and beautiful man." (My impression being that your posts are usually attack ads against the living and the dead.) My immediate thoughts of course were that you would be assailing him for his somewhat socialist and pacifist leanings and being what many would call a one-worlder. I'm sure that those qualities are all on your list of unforgivable transgressions. So yes, I was pretty surprised that you were only using him in a (kind of weak) anti-atheist argument. Surprised and thankful that I don't have to spend a lot of time imarshalling a defence of the great man, which I would have been compelled to do because he's definitely in my top five list of personal heros.

Others have pointed out that he was more a deist than a theist but I'm sure you knew that anyway so I won't elaborate. And as someone else pointed out you'd have to be completely ignorant of his bio not to know that he did hold some sort of diety in his world-view. After all, everybodywho knows anything about him knows his reaction to the emerging quantum physics, which had a disturbingly (to him) probabilistic interpretation of nature. His "God does not play dice..." is one of the most famous statements in science.

I'll just leave you with two quotes of his about his own Jewish faith (which of course he was not a practitioner of). And out of context these quotes might suggest Einstein did not have a deep spirituality. He definitely did and I'm not giving them to you to imply otherwise.

"Then down to the Temple Wall (Wailing Wall), where dull-minded tribal companions are praying, faces turned to the wall, rocking their bodies forward and back. A pitiful sight of men with a past but without a future." He said this upon a visit to the wailing wall in 1923, well before Israel had achieved Statehood.

And;

"For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstition. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong ... have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power." And this he said long before Israel became a nuclear power.

Have a nice day

 

[Political Junky]

Neither Einstein, nor any scientist, believes in a sky god that created earth in 6 days.

 

[SmedlyButler]

Neither Einstein, nor any scientist, believes in a sky god that created earth in 6 days.

Even though I'm an atheist I wouldn't want to have to defend that statement after PC, clever girl that she is, comes back with a few names to refute it. So be prepared.

 

[DriftingSand]

Read my signature.
Einstein had the humility to not rule out some kind of overarching power, but never believed in the personal god that the Abrahamic religions try to sell.
He found them "child-like".

Do you share Einstein's humility?

Sorry. I missed this post.
On this issue, absolutely.
Before you get too excited, though, I also share his belief that the idea of a personal god is childlike.
This is my signature for a reason.

Thanks for responding.

There are at least two things that children possess that seems lost to most adults:

1) Innocence.
2) Open mindedness

If those attributes are positive then there's certainly nothing wrong with being "childlike."

Off to work ... more later.

 

[PoliticalChic]

When I saw this post on the active list I thought to myself, "There she goes again attacking an amazing and beautiful man." (My impression being that your posts are usually attack ads against the living and the dead.) My immediate thoughts of course were that you would be assailing him for his somewhat socialist and pacifist leanings and being what many would call a one-worlder. I'm sure that those qualities are all on your list of unforgivable transgressions. So yes, I was pretty surprised that you were only using him in a (kind of weak) anti-atheist argument. Surprised and thankful that I don't have to spend a lot of time imarshalling a defence of the great man, which I would have been compelled to do because he's definitely in my top five list of personal heros.

Others have pointed out that he was more a deist than a theist but I'm sure you knew that anyway so I won't elaborate. And as someone else pointed out you'd have to be completely ignorant of his bio not to know that he did hold some sort of diety in his world-view. After all, everybodywho knows anything about him knows his reaction to the emerging quantum physics, which had a disturbingly (to him) probabilistic interpretation of nature. His "God does not play dice..." is one of the most famous statements in science.

I'll just leave you with two quotes of his about his own Jewish faith (which of course he was not a practitioner of). And out of context these quotes might suggest Einstein did not have a deep spirituality. He definitely did and I'm not giving them to you to imply otherwise.

"Then down to the Temple Wall (Wailing Wall), where dull-minded tribal companions are praying, faces turned to the wall, rocking their bodies forward and back. A pitiful sight of men with a past but without a future." He said this upon a visit to the wailing wall in 1923, well before Israel had achieved Statehood.

And;

"For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstition. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong ... have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power." And this he said long before Israel became a nuclear power.

Have a nice day

Phew!

For a moment I though you were going to claim that you and I were on the same page....then I'd have to rethink my position.


"Stand with anybody that stands RIGHT. Stand with him while he is right and PART with him when he goes wrong." Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (October 16, 1854)



My goal at the outset was to indicate that those who claim that Einstein was an atheist were dead wrong.
It seems you have come to the same conclusion.


But, not satisfied with that, you felt the need to include quotes suggesting calumny about his Jewish religion.
Usually that is the province of the low-lifes represented earlier in the thread.....but, join them if you so choose.
I do not.

My research has, in fact found Einstein to be more Jewish than you allow....I'll provide it later.




For now, I'll dispense with some of the atheist scientists....


9. "In “Einstein, God, and the Big Bang,” a colorful chapter of his new book, Amir D. Aczel maintains that Albert Einstein truly believed in God. He points out that Einstein attended synagogue during his year in Prague (1913). He repeats several famous Einstein utterances mentioning the Deity:

“Subtle is the Lord, but malicious he is not” and “I want to know God’s thoughts — the rest are details.”

And he quotes from a letter the great physicist wrote to a little girl in January 1936: “Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that some spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe, one that is vastly superior to that of man.”




Aczel goes on to express strong displeasure with such people as physicist Lawrence Krauss and evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins (who, in his bestseller “The God Delusion,” says that Einstein “didn’t really mean it&#8221 when they cast Einstein as an atheist in support of their diatribes against religious belief.


"Dawkins...Krauss, ...and Sam Harris, with his bestseller “The End of Faith,” are prominent New Atheists, who use modern science to argue that God is not only unnecessary but unlikely to exist at all, even behind the curtains. There’s a certain religious fervor in all these books. Atheists, unite!

[Aczel] attempts to show that the New Atheists’ analyses fall far short of disproving the existence of God. In fact, he accuses these folks of staining the scientific enterprise by bending it to their dark mission."
Book review: ?Why Science Does Not Disprove God? by Amir D. Aczel - The Washington Post



What could be behind the uncalled for attacks by atheists?
Mathematician David Berlinski suggests this insight:
"Despite the immense ideological power that the American scientific establishment wields, it still resents the stature of organized religion. On crucial matters of faith and morals, which loom so large in the lives of most individuals, they take a back seat. Members of the National Academy of Sciences are by a large majority persuaded that there is no God; men and women by the millions that there is."

 

[thebrucebeat]

Do you share Einstein's humility?

Sorry. I missed this post.
On this issue, absolutely.
Before you get too excited, though, I also share his belief that the idea of a personal god is childlike.
This is my signature for a reason.

Thanks for responding.

There are at least two things that children possess that seems lost to most adults:

1) Innocence.
2) Open mindedness

If those attributes are positive then there's certainly nothing wrong with being "childlike."

Off to work ... more later.

And it allows them to believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Charming and endearing, but unsustainable.
Do you think your understanding of "childlike" is what Einstein was trying to convey?
I am quite sure it's not.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sorry. I missed this post.
On this issue, absolutely.
Before you get too excited, though, I also share his belief that the idea of a personal god is childlike.
This is my signature for a reason.

Thanks for responding.

There are at least two things that children possess that seems lost to most adults:

1) Innocence.
2) Open mindedness

If those attributes are positive then there's certainly nothing wrong with being "childlike."

Off to work ... more later.

And it allows them to believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Charming and endearing, but unsustainable.
Do you think your understanding of "childlike" is what Einstein was trying to convey?
I am quite sure it's not.

If same is 'childlike,' what is to be said of "scientists" who claim that the universe was created out of nothing.

Stupidity?

 

[thebrucebeat]

Thanks for responding.

There are at least two things that children possess that seems lost to most adults:

1) Innocence.
2) Open mindedness

If those attributes are positive then there's certainly nothing wrong with being "childlike."

Off to work ... more later.

And it allows them to believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Charming and endearing, but unsustainable.
Do you think your understanding of "childlike" is what Einstein was trying to convey?
I am quite sure it's not.

If same is 'childlike,' what is to be said of "scientists" who claim that the universe was created out of nothing.

Stupidity?

Your question simply displays your ignorance.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And it allows them to believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Charming and endearing, but unsustainable.
Do you think your understanding of "childlike" is what Einstein was trying to convey?
I am quite sure it's not.

If same is 'childlike,' what is to be said of "scientists" who claim that the universe was created out of nothing.

Stupidity?

Your question simply displays your ignorance.

Yet it stumped you.


What does that display.

 

[thebrucebeat]

If same is 'childlike,' what is to be said of "scientists" who claim that the universe was created out of nothing.

Stupidity?

Your question simply displays your ignorance.

Yet it stumped you.


What does that display.

No, dear, it doesn't stump me.
It saddens me.
Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing.
It is your ignorance of what science brings to the table that is the issue, and the humility of science when facing what is not yet known. It doesn't arbitrarily fill in the blank as religion does. It acknowledges that there is more to learn.
It is your ignorance of what science as a discipline has to say about origins that is so sad.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your question simply displays your ignorance.

Yet it stumped you.


What does that display.

No, dear, it doesn't stump me.
It saddens me.
Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing.
It is your ignorance of what science brings to the table that is the issue, and the humility of science when facing what is not yet known. It doesn't arbitrarily fill in the blank as religion does. It acknowledges that there is more to learn.
It is your ignorance of what science as a discipline has to say about origins that is so sad.

1. I don't know in which order to place these, but I can prove you are a fraud, a bigot, a liar and a fool.

You can organize them as you see fit.


2. Yesterday I forced you to admit that either you made up the suggestion that I claimed Einstein subscribed to an orthodox view of Judaism.....
...which I did not.

Or, that you hadn't bothered to read the thread, and wanted to exercise your anti-religion bigotry.

It was satisfying to skewer you!




3. Now, a gift....you give me the opportunity to do so again!!!!!

Get ready, dope.

"Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing."

What if I do so?
I mean....you already been identified as a moron, liar, etc.....

What do I have to gain?

Answer: a guilty pleasure.


4. Here we go: "Lawrence Maxwell Krauss (born May 27, 1954) is an American theoretical physicist and cosmologist...Furthermore, Krauss has formulated a model in which the universe could have potentially come from "nothing," as outlined in his 2012 book A Universe from Nothing."
Lawrence M. Krauss - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



5. From the OP:

"This is far from the "God" of all organized Western religions, to be sure, but it is equally far from Krauss' "universe from nothing," meaning a universe without any maker of the rules of physics or any creator of the quantum foam that gave rise to our universe through a quantum fluctuation.

Krauss ( ‘A Universe From Nothing,’ by Lawrence M. Krauss) places a "[sic]" after "God" when quoting Einstein mentioning the "deity." He tries to reinterpret Einstein's words as not meaning what he writes. Richard Dawkins does the same in a chapter titled "A Deeply Religious Non-Believer," referring to Einstein.



6. And, from reviews of Krauss' book, " A Universe From Nothing,"...

"....at the end of the book he he has given up trying to explain his hypothesis. Throughout the book he admits that Something can come from Nothing only if there is Something inherent in the Nothingness.

...Krauss claims that "in quantum gravity, universes can, and indeed always will, spontaneously appear from nothing".This is yet again another fabrication,....

Krauss mixes opinion with pseudo-science to fool his cult that the universe popped into existence from nowhere with no cause (the epitome pseudo-science, anti-science and religious belief).



Destroyed you again, huh?


I love it when you come around!!!




7. Showing that you are an ignorant dunce is an addiction! I can't stop!!!


"Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing."


Clearly, you know nothing- but especially nothing about other anti-religion scientists.....such as "Alexander Vilenkin (Russian: Алекса́ндр Виле́нкин; 13 May 1949, Kharkiv,[1] Ukraine, Soviet Union) is Professor of Physics and Director of the Institute of Cosmology at Tufts University. A theoretical physicist who has been working in the field of cosmology for 25 years, Vilenkin has written over 150 papers and is responsible for introducing the ideas of eternal inflation and quantum creation of the universe from a quantum vacuum."
Alexander Vilenkin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



"A universe with a beginning begs the vexing question: Just how did it begin? Vilenkin’s answer is by no means confirmed, and perhaps never can be, but it’s still the best solution he’s heard so far: Maybe our fantastic, glorious universe spontaneously arose from nothing at all. This heretical statement clashes with common sense, which admittedly fails us when talking about the birth of the universe, an event thought to occur at unfathomably high energies. It also flies in the face of the Roman philosopher Lucretius, who argued more than 2,000 years ago that “nothing can be created from nothing.”

“Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

Vilenkin’s calculations show that a universe created from nothing is likely to be tiny, indeed — far, far smaller than, say, a proton. Should this minute realm contain just a smattering of repulsive-gravity material, that’s enough to ensure it will ignite the unstoppable process of eternal inflation, leading to the universe we inhabit today. If the theory holds, we owe our existence to the humblest of origins: nothing itself."
What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com
http://discovermagazine.com/2013/september/13-starting-point




OK....let's hear you admit it!

I eviscerated you again!!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your question simply displays your ignorance.

Yet it stumped you.


What does that display.

No, dear, it doesn't stump me.
It saddens me.
Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing.
It is your ignorance of what science brings to the table that is the issue, and the humility of science when facing what is not yet known. It doesn't arbitrarily fill in the blank as religion does. It acknowledges that there is more to learn.
It is your ignorance of what science as a discipline has to say about origins that is so sad.

"Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing.
It is your ignorance of what science brings to the table that is the issue, blah blah blah..."


Whose ignorance????



By now you should realize that you should only open your mouth to change feet!!!

 

[DriftingSand]

Sorry. I missed this post.
On this issue, absolutely.
Before you get too excited, though, I also share his belief that the idea of a personal god is childlike.
This is my signature for a reason.

Thanks for responding.

There are at least two things that children possess that seems lost to most adults:

1) Innocence.
2) Open mindedness

If those attributes are positive then there's certainly nothing wrong with being "childlike."

Off to work ... more later.

And it allows them to believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. Charming and endearing, but unsustainable.
Do you think your understanding of "childlike" is what Einstein was trying to convey?
I am quite sure it's not.

Yes. Einstein was humble (as you alluded to in an earlier post). That's to say that he didn't pretend to know things that he didn't really know. I don't know that he ever spent much time attacking the religious beliefs of others. You, on the other hand, find yourself in the religious forums day after day after day after day in an attempt to prove that religion is wrong when you don't really know that it is. Like it or not, Christianity has a lot of power over you and your day to day thought process.

Yes, many children believe what adults tell them but the point is that they are teachable and unhindered by the steal walls built by many adults who reach hard and fast conclusions. At least Einstein didn't absolutely rule out God like a vast majority of the world's fool brigade has done.

 

[thebrucebeat]

Yet it stumped you.


What does that display.

No, dear, it doesn't stump me.
It saddens me.
Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing.
It is your ignorance of what science brings to the table that is the issue, and the humility of science when facing what is not yet known. It doesn't arbitrarily fill in the blank as religion does. It acknowledges that there is more to learn.
It is your ignorance of what science as a discipline has to say about origins that is so sad.

"Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing.
It is your ignorance of what science brings to the table that is the issue, blah blah blah..."


Whose ignorance????



By now you should realize that you should only open your mouth to change feet!!!

Your ignorance is confirmed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, dear, it doesn't stump me.
It saddens me.
Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing.
It is your ignorance of what science brings to the table that is the issue, and the humility of science when facing what is not yet known. It doesn't arbitrarily fill in the blank as religion does. It acknowledges that there is more to learn.
It is your ignorance of what science as a discipline has to say about origins that is so sad.

"Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing.
It is your ignorance of what science brings to the table that is the issue, blah blah blah..."


Whose ignorance????



By now you should realize that you should only open your mouth to change feet!!!

Your ignorance is confirmed.

Au contraire.....the fact that you are a lying sack of offal is confirmed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, dear, it doesn't stump me.
It saddens me.
Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing.
It is your ignorance of what science brings to the table that is the issue, and the humility of science when facing what is not yet known. It doesn't arbitrarily fill in the blank as religion does. It acknowledges that there is more to learn.
It is your ignorance of what science as a discipline has to say about origins that is so sad.

"Find a quotation from a credible scientist that says all was created from nothing.
It is your ignorance of what science brings to the table that is the issue, blah blah blah..."


Whose ignorance????



By now you should realize that you should only open your mouth to change feet!!!

Your ignorance is confirmed.

Hey, dunce!

I just re-read post #35! It was brilliant! It really put you in your place.....that's why you ran away and hid?

Wise move.