Air Force said NO. 12K of them.

[Karen Brandon]

As a kid, we went with our parents to get a sugar cube of the polio vaccine. I don't recall anyone objecting - most kids in the late 50's had a classmate in a wheelchair from polio. But I assume some Christian Scientists rejected the vaccine.

I entered the Air Force and got orders for Korea - I had to get Anthrax vaccine. No big deal to me; if the Air Force said it was needed for going to Korea, big deal, I figured AF knew more about Korea and Anthrax than I did. Korea, Phillipines, Homestead Florida, and back to San Antonio, then I got out and stayed in Reserves. IN the Reserves, we had an exercise of stging a deployment - filling a duffel bag with uniforms and items - boarding an aircraft as if we were actually going to deploy. At home, I got my shot records out - and left them lying on kitchen counter. In line with duffel bag - The image of the shot records on the counter came in my mind; I asked how long I had before the processing line was over - for my house was quite close to Kelly AFB. I did not have time to go home and get the shot records, so I asked "what is the alternative?"
Take every shot in my shot records on the spot. Ok - do it.
The two medic airmen had a blast loading up the "guns" and giving me all the shots from both sides.
Exercise concluded - yeah I was a bit woozy from all that medicine at once, but no problem.
I hope we don't lose 12 thousand airmen over this - gotta be some way out

 

[Donald H]

Have you tak

Have taken some drug and gotten a bad reaction from it? The vaccines are NOT thoroughly tested and safe, not by a long shot. Prime example the press security and spokes person for the president, Jen Psaki has admitted to having contracted the disease even though being completely vaccinated, wearing a mask at her convenience and working in the White house.

Does that sound like the vaccine is thoroughly tested and safe? And that is only one example.

It says nothing about the vaccines not being tested and safe. It does say something about the well known fact that the vaccines don't protect all people all of the time.
And if you want to have a decent conversation with me then you could comment on the fact that the vaccines reduce deaths and severity.
I'm not expecting that from you but you could surprise me? Otherwise, we're finished, based on your inability to face facts instead of the Trump line of dogma.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Listen to the faux liebertarian, running to The State to try to validate his alleged principles.

Damn, Gomer, you are a ******* hoot!

There are no libertarians in the military, we all agree to follow lawful orders. Nobody has found these orders to be unlawful, thus anyone that disobeys them will be punished as they should be, as it was during my 20 years

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I can show my DD214, I chose not to at your attempt to disparage me. You have supported nothing except that you are trying to claim valor that is not yours. Always the way with you key board heros. All talk and make up something to try to impress while never having been in combat. A continuing loser is what you truly are, proving it with your every post.

Until you do you are nothing but a stolen valor loser.

I supported my claims, you have not. It is that simple.

Show your DD214 or shut the **** up

 

[Harpy Eagle]

As a kid, we went with our parents to get a sugar cube of the polio vaccine. I don't recall anyone objecting - most kids in the late 50's had a classmate in a wheelchair from polio. But I assume some Christian Scientists rejected the vaccine.

I entered the Air Force and got orders for Korea - I had to get Anthrax vaccine. No big deal to me; if the Air Force said it was needed for going to Korea, big deal, I figured AF knew more about Korea and Anthrax than I did. Korea, Phillipines, Homestead Florida, and back to San Antonio, then I got out and stayed in Reserves. IN the Reserves, we had an exercise of stging a deployment - filling a duffel bag with uniforms and items - boarding an aircraft as if we were actually going to deploy. At home, I got my shot records out - and left them lying on kitchen counter. In line with duffel bag - The image of the shot records on the counter came in my mind; I asked how long I had before the processing line was over - for my house was quite close to Kelly AFB. I did not have time to go home and get the shot records, so I asked "what is the alternative?"
Take every shot in my shot records on the spot. Ok - do it.
The two medic airmen had a blast loading up the "guns" and giving me all the shots from both sides.
Exercise concluded - yeah I was a bit woozy from all that medicine at once, but no problem.
I hope we don't lose 12 thousand airmen over this - gotta be some way out

I think the AF might be using this to trim the fact, they are over staffed right now

 

[Karen Brandon]

I think the AF might be using this to trim the fact, they are over staffed right now

Never be too many Security Police - never be enough DOGS
One really cold night in Korea - we go to refuel a 141 - a Security Policeman was marching around it with a dog.
A van comes out from Base Environmental - TAKES THE DOG AWAY BECAUSE IT WAS DEEMED TOO COLD FOR THE DOG TO BE OUTSIDE. After refueling, I get back in my heated fuel truck, the crew chiefs go off in their truck.
The Security Policeman continues marching around the aircraft by himself.
Too cold for the dog - not too cold for him.

 

[Catman51]

It says nothing about the vaccines not being tested and safe. It does say something about the well known fact that the vaccines don't protect all people all of the time.
And if you want to have a decent conversation with me then you could comment on the fact that the vaccines reduce deaths and severity.
I'm not expecting that from you but you could surprise me? Otherwise, we're finished, based on your inability to face facts instead of the Trump line of dogma.

The inability to face facts is yours. Witness a;;the breakthrough cases, such as Psaki and countless others.

You do not actually have the details to claim as you do, that the vaccine prevents deaths. Many have died after receiving the shot. Brings to question the truth about the vax.

 

[Catman51]

Until you do you are nothing but a stolen valor loser.

I supported my claims, you have not. It is that simple.

Show your DD214 or shut the **** up

So the entire world has to bow to y our demands? Not only a liar but a moron.

 

[airplanemechanic]

You don't get to say no to a lawful order in the Military.

When you join, you give up certain rights.

The right to refuse unwanted medical procedures isn't one of them.

Also if the paperwork they signed doesn't say that they must submit to any and all vaccination requirements set forth by the military, then the military has no legal ground to stand on and thus it is not a lawful order. You can't retroactively go back and say you have to do this because you signed something years ago that said nothing about vaccines. If they were required to get certain vaccines to join the military and they joined and were enlisted, then those already enlisted cannot be forced to retroactively take another one that wasn't required when they first joined. They can force NEW recruits to take it because they can change the paperwork, but they can't go BACK and change things retroactively. That's against the law.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So the entire world has to bow to y our demands? Not only a liar but a moron.

Until you support your claims, you are nothing but a stolen valor liar.

I will not respond to you again on this topic till you do so...you are not worth the oxygen used while typing.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The right to refuse unwanted medical procedures isn't one of them.

Also if the paperwork they signed doesn't say that they must submit to any and all vaccination requirements set forth by the military, then the military has no legal ground to stand on. You can't retroactively go back and say you have to do this because you signed something years ago that said nothing about vaccines. If they were required to get certain vaccines to join the military and they joined and were enlisted, then those already enlisted cannot be forced to retroactively take another one that wasn't required when they first joined. They can force NEW recruits to take it because they can change the paperwork, but they can't go BACK and change things retroactively. That's against the law.

The paperwork they signed and the oath they took said they would follow lawful orders. Until such time as a governing authority declares getting a shot an unlawful order they will be punished as they should according to the UCMJ

 

[airplanemechanic]

The paperwork they signed and the oath they took said they would follow lawful orders. Until such time as a governing authority declares getting a shot an unlawful order they will be punished as they should according to the UCMJ

It is considered a medical procedure and SCOTUS has long ruled that Americans have the right to refuse any unwanted medical procedure. Because the military can't be sued and what happens if one of these soldiers dies from the vaccine they were forced to get by threat of court martial? That's not any America I want to live in,

And their lawful orders have to do with military stuff, not vaccines you idiot.

If you say it is lawful that means there is a law stating the military can force soldiers to get vaccines AFTER they enlist. Please show that law.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It is considered a medical procedure and SCOTUS has long ruled that Americans have the right to refuse any unwanted medical procedure.

No more so than any of the other vaccines they are required to receive. People tried this with the Anthrax vaccine, they lost. This is not new.

Because the military can't be sued and what happens if one of these soldiers dies from the vaccine they were forced to get by threat of court martial? That's not any America I want to live in,

It is the America you have lived in your whole, entire life.

 

[airplanemechanic]

No more so than any of the other vaccines they are required to receive. People tried this with the Anthrax vaccine, they lost. This is not new.



It is the America you have lived in your whole, entire life.

Show where the military has forced soldiers to get vaccines that came about AFTER they enlisted.

And show the law making this lawful. If you agreed to have certain vaccines WHEN YOU ENLIST then those are the only ones you can be required to have.

And who does a soldier sue if they die from the vaccine YOU want them to be forced to get under threat of court martial? Who is responsible for that death?

Why are you avoiding these tough questions? You don't like them do you?

 

[AntonToo]

The inability to face facts is yours. Witness a;;the breakthrough cases, such as Psaki and countless others.

You do not actually have the details to claim as you do, that the vaccine prevents deaths. Many have died after receiving the shot. Brings to question the truth about the vax.

There is nothing about breakthrough cases or hospitalizations that refutes anything I've said.

You just don't know wtf you are talking about. 95% is not 100%.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Show where the military has forced soldiers to get vaccines that came about AFTER they enlisted.

And show the law making this lawful. If you agreed to have certain vaccines WHEN YOU ENLIST then those are the only ones you can be required to have.

There is no list of vaccine you agree to, you agree to follow order. There is no preapproved list, most of the time they do not even tell you what they are putting in you when you get your shots in boot camp. The recruit in front of me asked and the DI told him to shut the **** up and keep moving.

But if you want an example, look up the Anthrax vaccine given in the 90s, even to those of us who enlisted a decade before that.

And who does a soldier sue if they die from the vaccine YOU want them to be forced to get under threat of court martial? Who is responsible for that death?

It is not about what I want, I am not making them take anything. I am explaining how things are, that is it.

If you die, you cannot sue anyone, you are dead. But their family can sue the Govt.

Why are you avoiding these tough questions? You don't like them do you?

I have answered every question you have asked

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You are in denial or you were severely lied to

Research it for yourself

So what was the path to victory? They didn't seem to be doing so well with the funding.

 

[beagle9]

Wrong, wrong again:

Annual influenza vaccinations are required for all active duty military personnel, selected Reserves and healthcare workers.

Military Health System encourages influenza vaccination for 2020

The CDC notes that COVID-19 seems to spread more easily than flu and causes more serious illnesses in some people.

www.health.mil

Not talking about the military, but just talking about society in general. Yes unfortunately the military has always been fearful of being undermined by any type of sickness running through the ranks unabated, so yes you are correct that the military has always adapted to any type of preventive that is touted or proven to keep the troops safe.

The question now however, is who (character wise), is running the military machine these days, and are they using the same criteria in order to judge such things as were once done in the past ??

Dirty politics is destroying every aspect of this country, and it's creating a mistrust that is becoming a national security issue. Dirty politics is worse than any virus or sickness this nation has ever encountered. Mistrust can do far greater damage than any sickness can ever do to this nation.

The Democrat's have caused this mistrust, and the majority knows this now. Trump didn't sew this mistrust, but he was accused of it for dirty political reason's.

No one should fear the shot, and they should be looking at the data offered up on the efficacy if interested, and looking at the data used in the trials that brought the confidence up in finally making the shots available to everyone.

The government should be recognizing natural immunity as being just as good as the shot or better (follow the data). Anyone who had Covid and got over it naturally, and had aquired natural immunity, of course should be recognized in this debacle as being cleared/clean, and no one (especially those who got the shot), should fear those who have had Covid, and had gotten over it naturally.

Dirty politics has created a false narrative and a false fear, and it has created disdain for those who had gotten Covid, and had gotten over it naturally even though the naturally immune are no threat to anyone, and are immune... They have helped those who needed help by donating their blood to save lives.

Some in government need to be taken to court, and removed from their jobs for what they've done. It's just pathetic.

 

[beagle9]

I am comparing vaccines

Understood.

 

[AntonToo]

Not talking about the military

Well thats nice, but the conversation you injected yourself into WAS about the military.